Stop Selling Flat Stat Gear I Raid Shadow Legends

[@MurderIncRaid]

RIP to all the good pieces sold from 2018-2022

[@SL-mj2eq]

Which wont be to many, the chance of getting the perfect mainstat +4 substats in usable set bonus is something for mathemathiciens to calculate :p but i guess like 36 in a 12m chance :p Also isnt it a 0.04 thing on maneater 10.69-10.65=0.04 or am i a dumbass cos im missing something :p (well "missing" alot but .. ;) ) (OKAY, IM A DUMBASS) :p

[@Hawksforever99]

Granted I haven't been playing very long, only 100 days or so but I quite often am not crit capped... Even on Leorius or Ninja or Mt King, etc... Imagine potentially missing out on 50 or 60 critical damage because you refused to drop your critical chance rate from 100% to 98% or something like that?? Yeah... Not doing it!

[@maciekwar]

this was a good video!

[@rcheezy7501]

Rip 😢 I know I’ve sold good ones like these b4 off of default flat stats lok

[@asmylia9880]

@@Hawksforever99 you missed the point of when to apply flat stats and when not. All 3 champs you've listed are dmg dealers which profiting from cdmg gloves anyway. Crate you get from sub stat rolls. When it comes to flat stats, murder specifically referred to support champs like arbiter, lyssandra, Madame serris etc. I'd recommend to rewatch the video and listen to what he specifically pointed out.

[@XDesrathX6]

I love the random subscriber plug... it's always perfectly positioned lol props 👏

[@mattwilsonms]

Another great video, I'm really enjoying how you break everything down and it turns out to be pretty simple, thank you again !!

[@vknglion]

Man, I wish I had known or realized this about 6 months ago. I've gotten rid of so many potential peices that could have been amazing. Anyways, better later than never. Thanks again for explaining and helping me understand this so that I changed my mind set on not just instantly scrapping flat stat gear. Take care.

[@mugen1356]

Bro, aside from your contents, love your intro music. It is dope

[@Victimiser9000]

Flat MAIN stat bottom-row gear fast-tracked my FW completion with a lot of 4* and 5* champs.

[@bgibbs4348]

Man I play this game a lot, maybe even an unhealthy amount lol, I've been playing for a long time as well. I started watching content a few months ago and this guy is the only creator that is making content that backs up things I know are correct from countless hours of playtime and trial and error! I wish I would've found this channel sooner lol.

[@gailsummerspiano2847]

THIS is GREAT -- even for a mid-level player as I am beginning to weed out for beginning end game. I appreciate how you break everything down so that it is easy to understand !! Wish I saw this last week before I deleted all those Flat Stats --- BUT NO MORE !!!!! thankz.

[@rolandclarke2896]

Thanks Murder for explaining this so well. I've sensed this for a while, especially with Def stats - a gut feeling until now. Guess my gear cleansings will be better if even slower now. Just need to make time ;-)

[@dukekessler6292]

Doesn't change the fact that flat stats exist only to dilute the drop pool. That shouldn't be the case. Flat stats needs reworked so they serve a purpose. For example a flat stat Def chest should give low base Def champs more Def than a def% chest does. A good example would be say Allure or Coldheart.

[@jakezepeda1267]

Exactly. This video can be summed up with a single sentence. "Sometimes the sub rolls are worth it". But in order to make a flat stat even useful, a champion would need like 442 atk or defense. And less than 10k hp.

[@Klara906090]

if they don't exist, you would drop only good/godly gear, which would be meaningless, for Plarium, and even for you short term.

[@dukekessler6292]

@@Klara906090 no because you'd still need the correct substats. You missed the point of my post. Give flat stats an actual purpose, give them a use. Nothing should be useless.

[@Klara906090]

@@dukekessler6292 substat are there so you will trash 99% of the gear you drop, period. Which is good for Plarium because you won't gear all of your champ in 24h, and ultimately good for you because it gives you more joy when you actually got a real good piece.

[@dukekessler6292]

@@Klara906090 I'm going to take the opposite of your argument. Giving flat stats a purpose would be better for the game as they would actually be grinded for then. In situations where you're trying to make a squishy champ tanky (such as allure or CH) you'd be hunting for a flat HP/DEF piece. It would actually open up the gear farming allowing more builds and thus needing more/different types of gear pieces, which means more farming.

[@ashe_skylar]

Thanks for making this! that was a nice, interesting dive into gear, and a topic I've always wondered about

[@DSK_Sean]

I had the math argument about flat vs % stats when I was still fairly new with my at the time clan leader, I even showed the math, they were pissed and kicked me because I wouldn't blindly agree. Honestly I think they might have been embarrassed and frustrated they had been giving bad advice for a long time. Math is a real thing and once people learn where the cut off is for a particular stat on a certain hero their game will probably get more complicated but elevate to the next level.

[@jakezepeda1267]

Yeah. It seems like a lot of people ignore just how low the flat stat is. For most players its not worth gambling silver on a piece that in the end gives 10-20% boost. I personally prefer to move on and try for a % piece. Getting ~14000 extra hp on MM is nicer than ~4800. I would love if flat stats were buffed to be relevant so they were better than % on champs with low base stats, but this video just seems like a way to flex his good sub rolls on people.

[@Desteny6]

@@jakezepeda1267 I really don't get that though. Sure, on a champion like MM hp% is super important. But there are champions that don't need mainstats as you just use them with speed/acc for example. For them, flat stat doesn't matter for 99% of cases - so it's not just 10-20% boost, it's just a really good item that you might not have with %stat. I don't see any gambling silver there, you'll just +8 the item like you normally do and if the sub rolls are crap put away with it. It's basically no investment for a potential huge gain. In earlygame situations it's even more worth it to go for it because you'd take a triple roll crit chance on a flat piece vs a %piece with bad rolls on almost every nuker. If you lack gear, you're just throwing away options because they aren't best in slot. Losing 450 attack on your kael but gaining 80% critdamage because you can wear critdamage gloves might be worth it depending on your build and it could be enabled by a triple crit flat stat chest. Even if it's not a perfect piece, it's still the best you might have at that moment or it might enable you to use other equipment thats really good that you wouldn't use otherwise. I agree that you need to be really careful in what you level up, especially with flat stat gear. But not rolling at all on these pieces is just throwing away potential progress in my opinion.

[@sleepysalmon9658]

Didn't know that flat atk amulets with high cdmg rolls were actually good. Learned something new today.

[@mohammedrahman6120]

great video. You > Hellhades and Jedi.

[@Soxrule1202]

Just for you I paused the video when you said to and subscribed. There you go, thxs for all the videos especially on gear. I was one of those with 1300 accessories because I didn't know what to really keep or sell. I spent the last 2 days cleansing and now at 617, huge relief. Next its time to cleanse my gear its 1300 with 300 more in my bank

[@Zorander.]

Thank you for this video and explanation!

[@tdhguy64]

Track Suit Mafia fit straight out of Hawkeye

[@pierrickgrandjer9644]

Thanks for another great video ! It's always nice to see your take on what is important on gear pieces :) Maybe I am missing something about the flat attack rolls on your Maneater's boots, though ? The triple flat attack roll of 102 represents roughly 12% of ME's 837 base attack, while if that triple roll had been on an atk% stat, you would have gotten somewhere between 20 and 28%. Which would tend to show that even for a champion with low base attack, rolls in atk% would still add more than rolls in flat attack. Of course that doesn't take anything away from your comparison between atk amulets and crit damage ones, or the fact that secondary flat stats are an awesome 3rd or 4th stat to roll on an item.

[@MurderIncRaid]

yeah it looks like i spoke to fast through my point in that part. the point was that ungylphed its similar to 12%+ attack so any other stat in that spot would be a noticeable damage loss difference. this is referring to someone just selling it after 2 flat attack rolls thinking there was a better outcome on the substats that appeared on the boots which happens very often. even picture it as a rare piece. if it rolls 2x flat attack then attack % is the +16 substat reveal its still a very strong piece. you would add the two stats together for the total value of the piece since there are no viable replacements besides CR/CD

[@asharak84]

Yeah the amulet one was good, the scaling between primary and secondary stats can sometimes be pretty interesting. If another roll had gone into flat attack on the crit-damage amulet (to make it the reverse of the one being compared to) it would come out ahead, but pretty close which makes it a solid example to highlight

[@juniornxumalo3225]

I was already subscribed, but I hit the button again just to make sure. No need to thank me my man. 😎🤜

[@zigoroph4407]

Damn. You got me on that flat attack amulet. Looking at everything differently now.

[@johndanker347]

Thanks for clearing the myths of these stats.

[@BOFF2N]

That Maneater part just blew my mind…

[@mikeengland2633]

With the introduction to the refill on pieces saving those really bad 6 star to row might be worth the reroll. Good video let's me think a bit more about who I have what they need and even if I'm not looking to gear someone getting gear suited to them is helpful.

[@HeidenherzLP]

I always have a big smile on my face, when I see someone selling his perfectly fine gear, becuase of flat stats on it. Maybe they watch this video, maybe they keep making me smile. I kinda hope the second, since it's a sad world without smiles! xD

[@TheOriginalAeolwind]

For me, anything that doesn't at least include crit rate or damage and speed gets sold currently. Will pay closer attention from now on, but good pieces are about 1 in 1000 or 10000.

[@zipzap6294]

Good stuff. You have to click on any other substat for the filter to reset. It bugs out on me almost all the time.

[@genyaarikado1778]

This only seems useful for very specific builds and more for endgame when you have a lot of silver to blow.

[@Desteny6]

I think whats kinda in the video but not put plainly is the early/mid game perspective in clear terms. It's in there, but it could be clearer. If we take a 6* piece of gear, flat stat has 265 of the given stat, while %stat has 60%. To make it easier we take a champion with 1,2k atk and a chestpiece. So we want as much attack, speed and critrate as we can potentially get to get a good piece. With 1,2k atk base that means the flat piece has 265 atk while the %base has 720, so a big loss of 455 atk on the champion. The thing is you don't always have two pieces with the exact same substats to equip. So if you have a piece that has flat attack, but speed, critrate and atk% as substats it might be better than a %atk chest with speed, attack and defense - even if you lose 450 attack for that. Especially in early and midgame it isn't always easy to get high speed or critrate rolls. Equipping a flat stat attack chest piece with a triple speed roll (~25%) can be the difference between your build reaching 100% critrate with critdamage gloves on or not. A roll with triple speed on an immunity piece as show in the video for an arena debuffer is a really good item for a midgame account because all that champion needs is speed, accuracy and the immunity set. Anything else is nice to have, but not neccessary. It's not that it's always good, it's almost never the optimal piece. But you have to work with what you get and throwing away a potential triple roll in speed or critrate is a pretty big loss, especially in early and midgame. That means regarding the silver that you can roll more pieces to +8, hit good substats earlier than if you sell all flat stats and overall progress faster on your account. It really isn't a consideration in terms of silver because all the pieces we talk about bring your account forward, some a considerable amount. It makes the decision harder on what to keep and what to sell, but it's a lot more gear/account efficient.

[@genyaarikado1778]

@@Desteny6 But what if you go for the speed rolls as you say, on a flat mainstat and don't get them? Then it's surely a trash piece and so you wasted all the silver. But if you go for speed rolls on a % piece then even if you don't get them, it may still be worth keeping. Since % pieces can get speed rolls too, I think it's more of a whale strategy to roll everything up.

[@Desteny6]

@@genyaarikado1778 The chance is more than worth it though. Rolling to +8 costs basically no silver and if you hit bad rolls, you can still sell the item. It's a super small investment for a super big gain if you hit the rolls and it increases your chances to get good rolls by a lot (for example with speed gear it basically doubles the amount of items you can roll up to try and hit multiple speed rolls). Passing up on a good potential substat roll is not a good idea on any account, but whales hurt their progress a lot less when doing this than a f2p ever would - since f2ps farm a lot less and we have way less gear to work with overall. So it's even more important as a f2p to see if you can make that piece of gear work or not.

[@genyaarikado1778]

@@Desteny6 Fair point

[@Jeff_Raids]

Love the new intro

[@legalizerman]

I liked the video simply for the dramatic glasses

[@brantcassani]

armiger and sinesha are the perfect example, some flat on them make huge difference!

[@johndanker347]

Archmage Helmut and Maneater are other examples.

[@geem9307]

Would you maybe agree that the flat stat gear is better for the champions with lower base stats, and the champions with higher base stats may benefit more from a % piece?

[@TFBidia]

This is what I was thinking too. Specifically biggest impact on rares and uncommon champs

[@rcheezy7501]

Great vid murder!

[@douglaspierce3997]

I'm a end game player but I'm a low spender and silver will not let me role all my pics up. if I kept flat stats to...I guess my inventory would be that much harder to manage. that being said if you have the silver I agree 100%.

[@Desteny6]

Just roll em to 8 like the other pieces. Silver really shouldn't be a consideration for this as the amount to get an item to +8 is super small and if you hit 2 great rolls it's worth the silver either way. If it's a great piece for your champion, it's worth the silver, no?

[@vellathor6746]

I completely disregarded this advice when I heard somebody talk about resistance and accuracy as "flat stats".

[@rapthornedonmany]

"get me outta here" xD i love you sense of humor :D

[@TheWrinkledCheese]

"God help this man" lolol savage!

[@denbleygv9238]

Great tips! Thank you.

[@emojiman4560]

😁 MI makes me chuckle... 👕 Great Information 👖

[@Ruzland]

Very informative but most content creators say that critical damage is much more important than flat attack; especially past a certain treshold that varies among creators.

[@MurderIncRaid]

all you need is the formula to calculate damage. its an in-game formula you can get from the character stat screen. im not sure what opinions others are giving on atk vs CD but theres only 1 correct answer

[@Ruzland]

@@MurderIncRaid Thank you Murder.

[@justinwagner2471]

Good video inc

[@DavidJohnson-lw4ml]

Do percentage pieces just enhance based of the base stat or do they come of the total number of the stat, which would include flat stats being added?

[@DavidJohnson-lw4ml]

Am I confusing Aura's with Stats? My understanding is that an Aura only works of the base stat.

[@genyaarikado1778]

gear and aura's use the champions base stat, only buffs use the total stat

[@haamaanaa]

good info again.... only thing that would make it better is that you would have posted this video 2 years ago already!

[@rorydeblake6433]

Good in-depth info on this

[@anonymoustruth4038]

are these good rolls that murder keeps talking about egg rolls?

[@sqranch2904]

Perfect for lv40 champs.

[@Mcdfr123]

Derr, I have been selling everything that doesn't have % on most of it.. Thank you

[@yassal8972]

Flat state is better for champs who has low states, coz the % will be low so Flat is the best choice in that situation.

[@TheNewRevolution]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding the situation with flat stats but I think you're misunderstanding dumping flat stat pieces. I don't think people are dumping flat stat pieces because of sub stats. I think they're dumping pieces if you get flat main stats. Like flat HP main stat on boots. Flat attack, Hp, or defense as main stat on chest. Or flat attack on gloves. Obviously you wouldn't dump those pieces if you landed god speed rolls. But other than that, would you not automatically dump those pieces?

[@MurderIncRaid]

People are dumping flat stat main stat regardless of subs. If they weren’t I wouldn’t have made the vid! The same applies for sub stats. People are dumping rolls into flat stats regardless of the other sub stats. This has what the interpretation of flat stats are bad has evolved to

[@albertgerard3950]

I think you really should watch the video, with a screen ON and if possible without muting that annoying guy who's talking. Because he shows and explains several examples of really good pieces.with main flat stats (eg flat HP gloves) but good SPD/ACC/RES procs, and where it can be used effectively ;) And if you dump those simply based on "meh it's flat HP chest", you do not even check the rolls, thus probably missing good pieces.

[@0verdead]

the only reason im keeping flat stats is chaos ores now

[@ZenoDE507]

I have a flat stat Swift Perry HP glove on my Arbiter that rolled 4 x Speed.

[@mcross1121]

I’m not sure which piece you are actually referring to, but there isn’t any such piece “Swift Parry RING” and “rings” cannot roll speed substats. Rings, amulets and banners are accessories and only banners have the chance of speed as a substat. Therefore, you are referring to an artifact in the first or second row ( as Murder likes to call them) RINGS are 3rd row and called accessories. So….. congratulations on quad rolling speed on a flat HP piece of Swift Parry artifact, whichever piece that actually was

[@lanami6681]

swift perry ring? ^^

[@ZenoDE507]

Yeah, kinda fucked that one up. It was meant to say Swift Perry Flat HP Glove

[@vknglion]

Murder, first, I want to say thank you very much for actuality addressing my question. You did a fantastic job. I have watched it a few times so I fully understand and grasp everything you said. (I'm a little slow. Lol) But thank you. You are the first to address a question that I have asked. You have changed my mind set on how I look at gear now. Great video. Take care, and thank you again.

[@knabemos]

13000 base champ with 5% stat gear = 13.650 25000 base champ with 5% stat gear = 26250 I think that pretty much still makes flat stat gear more or less redundant since it stacks. Lets break it down a little more. 13000 att base champ will get 13500 flat with his weapon maxed out (top row is always flat stat main) you'll need to get a double roll on the flat stats if you want to increase it further than a single roll percentage gear. So even on a low base stat champion, flat stats are very much worthless compared to percentage gear (btw: Flat stats = Att, Def and HP without the percentage. Acc, Spd and Res are always flat so don't look treat those as flat stats.

[@abuncharandomstuff]

Dude I love the videos but I have to say, most people aren't anywhere near where you're at in terms of Silver. Upgrading flat stat gloves/chests with good substats requires a significant investment that most players - including myself who's been playing for awhile - can't afford.

[@MurderIncRaid]

ive seen too many of these comments unfortunately. flat stat gear isnt any more of an investment than another upgrade for the examples shown because sub stats are king. if you would upgrade a non flat stat piece of gear for a chance for an upgrade you would upgrade a flat stat one. if you just sell all of this gear you are most likely missing out on significant upgrades because main stat on the bottom row doesn't have high value in every progression area of the game. especially for debuffers.

[@abuncharandomstuff]

@@MurderIncRaid I appreciate the response man! Are you also talking in the context of lower level/lower arena players? I can't imagine Plat players rolling with flat stat items on their champs at that level but I might be wrong.

[@eliteguy9970]

Chosen should have watched this video XD

[@haqeeqattvgamesgames203]

Good and thanks 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@leroybanging2687]

Can someone explain what are flat stats ?

[@johndanker347]

Stats that have a flat number

[@tweeotch]

I'm sorry... I'm laughing so hard that ACC and RES could be considered flat stats. I'm far from a frickin' genius, but c'mon man.

[@Elmman25]

Your still gorgeous with or without glasses 🥂 👓 🕶 😎 😍!!!❤❤❤

[@fully5733]

Yehhhh, nahhhh I’ll be right

[@jakezepeda1267]

Nah. Not worth the silver to try rolling flat stat gear unless you are desperate for sub rolls.

[@funitoo]

technically accuracy, speed and resistance are flat stats

[@suntiger745]

Yes. The full clarification would be “This is relevant for the flat stats that also have a corresponding percentage stat.”, which is attack, HP and defence. Saying accuracy, resistance and speed doesn’t count as flat stat is convenient shorthand for those that have played Raid for a bit and thus know the unspoken implication content creators mean when they say flat stats. Pro is that it makes getting to the point of what you are actually addressing in the video way quicker when you don’t have to lay out a paragraph of explanation each time you speak about flat attack, HP and defence stats. Con is that it can be very confusing and outright misleading for new players and those who play much more casually.

[@das_papa4873]

This is the goal. Stop earning silver for selling crap gears and waste silver you don't get anymore to sell it anyway.

[@jimkirk9332]

I think your theory is wrong. All your saying is you can get good rolls on a flat stat gear. But I think that Item would be better on a percentage piece. Plus speed, accuracy and resistance are flat stats, but they are good so you should not sell them.

[@tigerclaws098024]

flat stats are garbo no matter what only people who would use them are new players or people who know nothing about good gear

[@calebturner1191]

Tix was here

[@grimmj0wraid433]

FLAT stats are TRASH! UNSUBBING :peeporiot::peeporiot :peeporiot :peeporiot :peeporiot :peeporiot

[@lisbethvandenberghe7323]

Sexy glasses! It doesn't look bad on you, sure you heared that before😁😁🤩

[@MrSkarybaker]

Wait... were people just blindly selling flat stat gear because cc's said so? Gotta use some common sense. Obviously they aren't as good as % in most cases, but u gotta look at your specific situation and what/who they are using them for

[@asmylia9880]

Ikr? What's next? Feeding champs because of a cc's tier li- OH WAIT KEKW

[@billhall10]

You will never have crit damage gloves with crit damage substat. The bottom 3 lock out the substat that match the main stat. Same reason you will never have a speed sub stat on speed boots. That's why your filter didn't find any.

[@MurderIncRaid]

I was on necklaces not gloves. it was a visual bug. i had clicked on flat attack necklace and the option for cdmg was unavailable. the same happened a minute late when i clicked flat attack main stat ring and the atk% was disabled.

[@mattjohnson8644]

Flat stats are garbage otherwise ill turn into a packrat and never sell any gear ever because it might be perfect for that one champ i dont have yet. I do have a flat defense pair of boots in swift parry with quad roll speed though.......

[@arcsev]

I unsubscribed just so I could re subscribe harder.

[@lanami6681]

lol awesome gear on ME XD

[@eiriktheatmospheric38]

uhh there is never critrate on jewelry *facepalm* :)

[@Ordeus7]

sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh

[@beowulf1563]

Bunch of noobs. I thought everyone has all % artifacts with triple and quadruple roll speeds on every peace of gear on every champ. Lol

[@timking911]

First!

[@TheSGRob]

Accuracy, Resistance, and speed are flat stats by the way

[@ITPalGame]

Too much math for me to care

[@tonyn7560]

Nah. This vid ain’t it.

[@MurderIncRaid]

cope harder lmao