154 Or 165? What's Better?

Today we get 2 of my sleds up on the hill to jump back and forth on them.
After not riding a 154 turbo for probably 30-40 rides, I sure missed it!
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[@MuskokaFreerider]

Like this for 154

[@Saddleback_Skiing]

First reply hehe

[@andyb8044]

154 expert turbo ftw such a fun sled to ride

[@juju800r]

154 best all around

[@GreatLakesLogger]

I'm inexperienced and weigh north of 280, so I gotta say 165. Very noticeable difference watching you ride the two. I feel like you're more about business when on the 165, whereas you play on the 154.

[@janisipola6122]

Imo the 154 creates more entertaining content what comes to riding. More technical style and more aggressive looking material.

[@MuskokaFreerider]

Like this for 165

[@leftyeh6495]

I might not be as old as Jerry, but I'm old enough that waiting at the top isn't too bad. Gives me a nice break so I don't look old and weak to the young kids. I really enjoy my 163 at the end of the day when I can just pin it and walk right up and out all the climbs the 155 guys are having to work hard to get.

[@jeberhar16]

For those of us mortals that can't ride that often, I really liked the couple times that you gave Jerry tips on how to sidehill without washing out. It would be cool if you did some videos where you're talking through that stuff as you do it. Helps us amateurs learn haha

[@WingspeedGarage]

I’m a certified BRP tech and it’s been common practice to loctite the rave nuts ever since the etec was introduced in 2009. And it’s stated in the shop manual/instructions

[@MuskokaFreerider]

Yeah these definitely weren’t. Either time lol

[@alotl1kevegas860]

​@@MuskokaFreeriderYou should replace them with nylon locking nuts. Or get castle nuts, then drill the bolts out for cotter pins, or safety wire.

[@mikemyers5507]

The time with your dad is priceless.

[@tboystoys5682]

Your Dad is right about getting older. I’m a flatlander and I feel every ride the next day. Hats off to Jerry

[@JeffLewis-y1z]

Thanks!

[@shaynedonnelly4591]

That clip with Jerry was mint!!❤❤. It’s great getting everyone’s opinion on tracks lengths because that a huge decision to make when perching a Braap machine.

[@thor82ak]

Dealing with warranty or shop issues is always a blast. I takes forever just to get your machine in, then half the time it sits there forever, then you get the f*cking thing back and you get shit like you got. Loose hoses, fasteners, etc. To top it off, they don't even fix the original problem. Gotta love it.

[@SlipperyDucky]

You need a better dealership if this has been your experience. My shot died on my 23. Owner opened up the shop on New Year’s Day got my sled in 5 days later when I went back through for my trip the sled was running. Shot was back ordered forever took the shot off his personal sled and got mine running. Support good dealers not shitty ones

[@thor82ak]

@@SlipperyDucky Not all of us have an option between dealers

[@johnclarke8180]

I appreciate your dedication in promoting the powersport. You are an amazing talent!

[@tianjohan4633]

21:49 You make some good points about track lengths, but you forgot one big reason when choosing track lengths, and many do too. If you are a young buck it might not be a big deal, but as years passes by it becomes important. To save energy while still having fun and not spend too much time and energy getting unstuck. I rather wrestle a 165" in tights spots and in between trees because it gets me to the top without draining all my energy. And I need that energy to go riding the next day. Even if a 165" is less nimble and playfull it's still playfull enough to have a great day up in the alpine and all the up to the alpine. I get less fatigued riding a 165" and I can do longer days of riding.

[@MuskokaFreerider]

For sure, like I said earlier in the video, It’s a more relaxed riding style

[@mikegatherall3774]

Nope….165 pushes more and is more tiring …155 all day

[@RandDCustoms2]

This is why you are growing! Consistency of posting quality videos. Awesome.

[@Cuttin_Up_Cassics]

The side by side comparison of the 2 climbs with the 2 sleds was cool!! Neat tonsee how they performed differently

[@gmen1305]

I miss you riding the 154 Green Mtn Doo sled from last year....defiantly my favorite, unless its sic deep or stupid steep chutes

[@edwardgallas8602]

Love the comparison video, you’re a phenomenal rider and at this point videographer!! I also like that you don’t talk shit about the sleds that aren’t as reliable as the doo’s, it’s obvious they have issues and have since 2005/6…. Burandt gets his supplied and would never show a broken primary bolt!!

[@208SledHead]

Which sleds are you referring to as "not being as reliable as Doos"?

[@98Tomrune]

The green 154 is a good looking snowmobile😊

[@highmarkrentals5398]

I agree, 154/5 is the best all around. Which makes sense being middle of the road. You'd think if they're having so much issues with that nut falling off they'd drill the stem and put a cotter pin or double nut or something with it to keep it from doing that. Is it the same valve that does that? Thanks for all the vids!

[@JasonMcMurray]

If I could have every sled length I would but end of the day my one sled choice is 155. Now that Derek has had a few days to get back in sled shape you need to mic him up and give him an interview while ripping the trees lol

[@ryanbrown918]

That 154 is rowdy...plus its my favorite wrap scheme you've ever done.

[@208SledHead]

I grew up on Polaris, I ride a Polaris today, but I am NOT brand loyal. The Gen5 154 is your bread and butter Matt. You rip on the Boost, but you can tell you're more familiar on the Doo. What's great about the Doo is the adjustable limiter strap. If you want to get rowdy, you can. If you want to keep the skis down, you can...ish. That's a BRILLIANT design by BRP. I personally enjoy watching you on the 54 cuz it's less "point and shoot" so to speak, takes more skill to ride. It is fun to see some high speed climbs sometimes though. I honestly think the 54 Turbo R and the 65 Boost is the dream duo. The low end grunt of the Doo for the tight trees, and the top end longer track for the super deep days. Does your Boost have the 325 track??

[@leftyeh6495]

The doo doesn't have any more bottom end, it just gets up on the pipe quicker because it's geared lower. I don't know why polaris gears their sleds so high, if they'd drop from the 2.3 to the 2.5 that doo uses they'd feel stronger also. For reference, I run a TKI belt drive so I can change gears. I started at the 1 tooth down, ended up at 2 teeth down. Still can do 80mph which is too fast for the track anyways, but it's amazing how much snap it has on the bottom.

[@208SledHead]

@@leftyeh6495 The 24’ Boost has a helluva lot more bottom end than the 22’s and 3’s did, but I was under the impression that was due to the updated clutch?

[@scootsrus]

I met Jerry at Full Speed when he was picking up the Rave nut. Had a nice little chat and even got a selfie with him.

[@steveboisvert]

very interesting point of views from Jerry and you Matt. the snow was deep. it's a shame that dealers cant do proper jobs on they're own brand machines....and they charge full price if not waranty. that video was awesome. thanx for sharing

[@scotthansen2240]

I'm a 154/155 guy myself as well. I rode an expert 165 and an expert 154 and the 165 was significantly harder to maneuver to me. Currently on a 850 khaos 155 and its an absolute animal, but I have intentions of getting a turboR doo of some sort next season. Although, this year is a great year to have an n/a down here because theres like no snow. 😂

[@blakestott7967]

From Utah and ride a 163 with 2”track, rode with a kid with a 155 2”track and he constantly got stuck where I wouldn’t. But watching your videos we definitely are on different levels. 😂 enjoy the videos 🤘🏼

[@livelikeidaho8171]

That opening shot coming down the ramp is 🔥

[@williamutech4055]

Another great video and just love how you edit when doing comparison videos. Sucks with the rave valve nuts but it looks like you’ve gotten some really good comments here. Still loving the content, keep it up Matt!!!

[@jamesjanzen9806]

Definitely need to see a garage tour of your sleds

[@kn8258]

Ngl, kinda excited to see you on 858 154 cat next year 🙃

[@dennistozier5530]

What would that entail video of the unboxing and then it'd be in the shop the rest of the year L o l

[@YAMACAT-17]

He already found the 9R boring, can't see the cat being any different unless it's got boost

[@stuartlloyd622]

The 165 has a more "RELAXED" riding style Matt says !! Ya sure thing Matt steep deep tree riding I'm not sure I would be feeling relaxed I was thinking more along the lines of "HOLY SHIT THIS IS EXTREMELY AWESOME AF! I'm just sayin. You realize your a LEGEND right?? The best ambassador for the sport hands down.

[@208SledHead]

Burandt or Kesterke might have something to say about that lol

[@stuartlloyd622]

Thoes two are pro riders and yes would probably ride around Matt most days but when I say Matt is a legend and ambassador for the sport I'm referring to all the long days riding filming and editing he does DAILY for 3months straight to bring us into his world and teach us with an unbiased opinion about different sleds pros and cons. These are just my thoughts but I bet Chris and or Caleb would agree with this actually. Maybe they can drop a Comment and weigh in on my opinion.

[@208SledHead]

My response was directed towards your "best ambassador for the sport hands down." And no - Matt isn't even close to that. Is he the best KZbin'r bringing us daily snowmobile videos? Yea - I'd say so. I dunno if I would exactly call him "unbiased" either....he's still very much a BRP guy. But he does have a great channel for back country snowmobiling.@@stuartlloyd622

[@dangriesemer3710]

​@stuartlloyd622 agreed, Matt's unbiased opinions between manufacturers can't be debated (valued)by anyone that is sponsored by a manufacturer. I don't think he sugar coats anything either, telling it like it is makes his channel fun to watch compared to "certain others"

[@dannyauger7223]

That green machine was ripping up that hill over the 165. Even caught a bit of air time at the top. Sweet sled. Lov the wrap color

[@jtsperformanceautomarine]

Your dad is kicking ass man. My dad is similar age and he's tapped out after 15-20 miles of flat trail forget about throwing a sled around in the powder. Sure wish my dad would get his shit together and take care of himself but he's a lost cause at this point

[@jamesthomson9065]

Try blue locktite on the nut to see if it helps keep it on.

[@gmen1305]

and throw a few extra nuts in the tool pouch

[@mikeregner4719]

The question is polaris vs doo ? Same track sizes , the turning between the 2 , power , and reliability.

[@blizzard71]

Your 154 Turbo R rips!! You ride everything amazing ,but you seem to really fly on that sled!

[@asphaltlou]

Awesome video. I love watching Jerry in the videos, I can relate to the father and son snowmobiling!

[@joelbergkvist9134]

I’m from Sweden and here you don’t need longer tracks than 146”/154” sometimes but not often it can be stupid deep snow when a 165” comes handy but only for a few days. But if I was in revelstoke maybe I should’ve ride a 165 for sure

[@tsunami4029]

Stop!!! "He'd be completely freaked out in this terrain at the beginning of the year"....lmao Keep killing it Jerry....impressive!!

[@wills.7626]

Don’t forget the Doos have a 16” track width compared to the 15” Poo track. I’ve always found the 154 Doos punch above their weight with respect to track width.

[@truecrimeyo]

your skill shine so much on 154 u should look into big wheels, more snap giving more confort zone in tech carving become smoother and jump faster on snow top layer, jerry got it haha

[@aaronw6706]

The old lime green one is 🔥

[@MuskokaFreerider]

I missed it!

[@Yooper850]

154 for sure. More playful and with a skilled rider like yourself can get you anywhere. So frustrating when you get a sled back from a dealer and the same issue happens right away.

[@SuperPate79]

its mind blowing to see, that how good is Jerry to ride, but vs you, you are beast! This video was SICK!

[@TheNitorx2525]

Lol, so funny hearing you say "trees are for traction" Because we use that alot since we only have small birch trees here, so the trees actually become traction

[@ChristopherNorris-w5r]

Love it bro … ur living the life work hard play hard. Enjoy

[@andyhampsten4252]

I'd rode 163/5 for yrs cause that's the conventional wisdom. Got a 155 Matryx, had both Pro and Khaos. You kidding me? The 165s were a waste of time. The 155s are nimble. I'm 210lbs and 64yrs, intermediate+. Would like to be able to afford a second sled for deep days but those aren't so many in the PNW.

[@alotl1kevegas860]

Get nylon locking nuts, or go a step further and get castle nuts for the rave valve. Then drill out the bolts so you can use cotter pins, or safety wire to prevent the nuts from coming loose. Problem solved for less then $5 and an hour of your time.

[@jerrydelyea5820]

F me it’s fun watching Matt ride. Another good one. I like the Jerrys too.

[@AwkwardRobert]

I like info sled differences. Would welcome comments on brand differences. Your channel got me into freeriding. Mucho😅 gracious

[@jimmydank1371]

Very impressive riding man! Ya keep getting better every year

[@jodypierson3137]

Turcotte buddy referred to the 165 as a crew cab 😅

[@MuskokaFreerider]

I like the crew cab 😅

[@hagenrobles3582]

Matt you’re skill level is fire !! Jerry rides just as good as the younger dudes! I hope I’m as active as he is when I get older !

[@redrider999]

You almost never see any 174s any more, i guess the riding styles have changed. They sure were nice on bottomless powder day..

[@Nicksterzone]

154 for some playful riding and 165 for the more serious riding. I wish I had either, I miss it.

[@lflcoast]

As you did last year with an old sled, you should do an expedition 20 or 24" day.. could be really funny

[@rods907]

I’ve heard if you run mineral oil in it there’s a lot of deposits that build up on your your valves. It’s better to run synthetic and that doesn’t happen but that’s what I’ve heard.💁🏼🤔

[@shaynedonnelly4591]

The 154” makes a way better video Matt. Wicked!!

[@AllajchaSibir]

Looks like that keeps happing because it's a lock nut but no actual threads reaching far enough through the locking part of the nut. Thread locker would do the trick, but it's a bit sad to have to fix a design flaw that way. The other nut looks like a regular flange nut though. Maybe it's serrated so it'll lock itself to the plastic part. Who knows. Either way, just glue the thing on and be done with it.

[@sledder43]

Those turbos make so much track speed its insane

[@R1Kyle]

$ 1600 for a running board, I am way to cheap, I just did two of them for that and I supplied the running boards. Fun times on the hill. You need to try a 175 next year.

[@MuskokaFreerider]

They quoted me 700 plus powder coat lol

[@R1Kyle]

@@MuskokaFreerider Well how did it become $1600 then, what else did they do? Oh Yeah forget to tighten your rave valve nuts five hundred dollars, and for everything else there lube!

[@gfkk2131]

I like the steep and deep so 165. Also fun watching the bottom feeders fight to get up to the top

[@Robmn6559]

“Get out of my way I’ll do it.” That is so a Dad

[@KTMGREG55]

Hard to believe they can’t get it right with that sled 😤. Not to mention the manufacturers choosing these types of fasteners 👏🤦‍♂️. For the amount of money , there sure doesn’t seem to be any R&D being done . Glad I still have my ancient reliable 2015 Polaris N/A 600 144 .

[@208SledHead]

"No R&D being done"? lol WHAT dude!?? These sleds are making damn near 200hp on pump gas and weighing under 540! No mountain sled from the past are as capable as these are. Does some QC need improved though? Fuck yea it does! But the R&D on today's machines are nothing short of amazing.

[@duanemartin1383]

Track length is like horsepower. Better to have when you need it than need it and you don’t have it.

[@BeyondResolution]

You do look more at home on last years sled :) Think that one is the sweetspot for you :)

[@bertrenolds5]

how about you do polaris vs doo? why do you ride each and what conditions is one better than the other in?

[@brettv576]

What makes you choose to ride your skidoo turbo or the Polaris boost?

[@CalgaryDynastar]

The cold snap wreaked havoc on my steering boots and tie rods. Def woulda been nice to have a heated garage or trailer at night but oh well

[@MuskokaFreerider]

It was brutal! Thank god for the shop. Really came in handy

[@CalgaryDynastar]

@@MuskokaFreerider 24 hours in the shop with the stove ripping when I got home and still had ice in there! Two new tie rods and boots later we are ready for the next trip 😅 Was still wicked riding despite the -26 tho 🤘🏾

[@nolanmoschkau5388]

4 mins in and I can definitely say the 54 content is much more interesting.

[@Yukon_Ingy]

You make the 154 look way more fun

[@Fatonzzz]

I went from an 800 SKS 155 NA (Series 5.1 track) to Pro RMK Boost 165 (Series 8 track), now I can’t decide on the next sled. There’s things I really like about the turbo, and things I don’t. Thinking Pro RMK 9R 155 with the series 9 track might be a nice fit…..or 9R Khaos 165. A 165 turbo is not much fun in early/late conditions.

[@208SledHead]

That 155 Series 9 is primo

[@R1Kyle]

OH yes Jerrys comment about shoulder strength not being enough, he is wrong. Shoulder strength is fine but body weight starts to exceed shoulder strength. I love my 175 for the ease of getting around in the deep snow although I am 52, just over 6'4" and weight 300 lbs.

[@Jross6.7]

Damn u look good on the 154! Good content

[@johnhorsfall4032]

You’re a Damm good rider. Thanks for sharing

[@Sam_VTRALLY]

Not have seen in a while your summit expert

[@Mmmmmmgeqvhw]

Hey Matt! Been watching your videos for a few years now. I've been practicing freeriding on a 3500 Lynx this and last winter, and thinking about upgrading it to a 3900 maybe next year. Any tips for a beginner in what/where to improve before going for a longer track lenght? Greetings from Finland ❄️

[@Roesy_850]

I thought you sold the green 154 summit! Should lend me a sled im down to one this year and been out for 2 weeks for repairs 😒

[@RBA1891]

Going to have to get u on a 600 summit.

[@JeffLewis-y1z]

So is 154 better than the 167 in deep or less snow?

[@swedish_sadhguru3854]

146" for a bigger challenge and more nimbleness!

[@thor82ak]

Doing wheelies past your stuck Dad, priceless.

[@36scribner]

Just curious, you never seem to wear a breathbox. Any reason why? Especially in the temps you ride in.

[@arnemartinlarsen1658]

You should do a video where you try all brands av snowmobile in the same class. And then say posetivs and negativs about them. That would be cool

[@Captndarty]

What’s your limiter strap set at on the 154? Meaning did you move the strap bolt. Mines stock and it has a hard time lifting the skis high

[@ROLLER-52]

Do you guys use a finger throttle?

[@scp8412]

Next should be 154 x vs expert. 🎉

[@dupes_1618]

Another good one. Is that the sled that needed the motor? Its cursed

[@208SledHead]

This one had the blown reeds and constant track ratcheting. The gen4 Freeride from the season before was the one that seized with 34km's on it.

[@Brobro449]

Do you ride with the breath box in you helmet or out?

[@ICEcoldNordicc]

we need 146, 154, 165 comparison video!

[@zdream-killerz1559]

So I’m getting a new sled! I’m 6’9” about 290 lbs and I don’t know what to get 154 seems like it will struggle with me on it I feel like a 165 would fit me better! Anyone got some advice on what I should buy?

[@gregoryh4601]

You a Big Boy ,buy a use 165 and put a biggest Motor and have Bruce or Jesse Jame help you out.

[@208SledHead]

Def. a 165. Possibly even a 174.

[@YAMACAT-17]

Definitely the 165, I'm 6'4 and 270 ish with gear, and I couldn't believe how much of a difference it was going to the 165 from the 154 in traction and not getting stuck. That extra 100 lbs we carry around makes a big difference on the mountain

[@mattrooyakkers5871]

You look high. Awesome.

[@jordanflores22]

Grab some spare nuts that are the size you need for that issue if it’s common or carry a small telescoping magnet to fish the nut outta the bottom of the sled.

[@WingspeedGarage]

They are aluminum nuts, not magnetic

[@MuskokaFreerider]

I coated it in red loctite today 😅

[@mikeman230]

The green looks good because it’s Arctic Cat green

[@williamhamill813]

Seems like a good place for some locktite.

[@mazdarxseven93]

Those RAVE nuts are supposed to be put on with blue loctite. Doesn't look like they used anything in it.

[@MuskokaFreerider]

Nope they didn’t

[@mazdarxseven93]

That sucks when you can't rely on the dealer to fix it properly. If they'd read the service manual they would be able to do the job right...

[@ThalesRidez]

Best content out there

[@pathofmostresistanceo7555]

T-motion or edge? Preference?

[@SolidStateH2O]

What about swapping the 154 gear into the 165 turbo R and make the turbo pull the higher track speed??

[@maybe_knot]

New vid always 🔥

[@DarinGC]

Whats the hourly rate for a doo tech, 10/hr?

[@tsjjensen8775]

I can’t keep up, how many sleds do you have? Great vids sir!

[@MuskokaFreerider]

I’m not sure either

[@leftyeh6495]

Polaris 9r 155, polaris boost 165, gen 5 165 turbo, gen 5 154 turbo, lynx 146 turbo, and the old Summit X triple? i may have too much free time, don't think I've missed a video since the first full season back in 19 or 20?

[@dannyauger7223]

​@leftyeh6495 what about rhe 146 N/A? Or did he get rid of that one