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[@clayton4349]

There’s no real evidence that Muhammad is a prophet.

[@denseterror539]

There’s no proof muhammed even existed LITERALLY!!!

[@Tommy-bs1el]

There is evidence he was pedo.

[@Brandon579JB]

But there is evidence that he kills a lot of people and sleeps with minors

[@shroomitechromee]

That he even existed

[@Boconnor401.]

@@shroomitechromeehe existed???

[@BulykrynVancho]

There’s no REAL proof this video exists…

[@Mrhunterfishermen]

😂😂😂😂

[@imago9059]

Lol a Matrix fan ?😂😂

[@HRuhaSM]

There is no real proof none of us exist

[@truthseeker37747]

Yes, there is- it’s recorded here on KZbin-

[@BulykrynVancho]

@@truthseeker37747 is it, though?

[@KingNazaru]

There’s no evidence that this elderly man has been well educated.

[@rad_lad_2715]

But there is evidence that he hasn't been

[@IsraelCountryCube]

There's no evidence he's not like mu- actually we will leave that part out it's taboo.

[@Alltime6432]

I encourage you to argue his points. Instead of throwing around insults.

[@KingNazaru]

@@Alltime6432 Why? The short did that for me.

[@mrburns5245]

There’s a lot of evidence he’s educated. Look at his channel. And I don’t even agree with him

[@HisLivingStone241]

They prefer a book that came 576 years after Jesus versus Accounts that came, at max, 67 years after Jesus.

[@hafoothalmuflahi9784]

no your eyewitness account arent eyewitnesses thats the problem ip here doesnt know history

[@niccolopaganini1782]

​@@hafoothalmuflahi9784they are. Or were written by people who knew the eye witnesses.

[@HisLivingStone241]

@@hafoothalmuflahi9784 that's your claim. What's the evidence that says the Gospels are not eye witnesses accounts? My point is that the Gospels are much closer to the historical Jesus by default.

[@Ex_muslim_alonzo_harris]

​@@hafoothalmuflahi9784and your qurans are an eyewitness to a sheep 😂

[@jovanic38]

And they'll say "Jesus didn't speak Greek" so that's not what he actually said in the Bible. But Jesus also didn't speak Arabic, so by their own standard they destroy their own position 😢

[@Gabriel-ii9vo]

Even their Prophet Bart Ehrman (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam )admits Jesus death at the cross is a historical fact

[@kopanotempleton8414]

There's no real evidence that there was once a person called Muhammad 😂😂

[@Boconnor401.]

How??

[@raphaelfeneje486]

You're right though

[@kopanotempleton8414]

@@Boconnor401. first of all show us "how?" there's no real evidence Jesus was crucified then I'll also answer your how 😁

[@raphaelfeneje486]

​@@Boconnor401. there's no evidence that Muhammad, Mecca, pre Islamic pagans, existed

[@briandiehl9257]

What are yoy taking about, I have a person named Muhammad right here

[@user-yr3dl5on7q]

No evidence they would accept

[@TheWildTrove]

Exactly. Strange that the crucifixion is so scrutinized yet other historical events are easily accepted

[@brentjones905]

​@TheWildTrove because they can proven.

[@TheWildTrove]

@@brentjones905 huh? Are you trying to say every other "historical" event can be proven and Christ's existence cannot? It always baffles me how people hold Christ's existence to a standard they don't apply to anything else. Our calendar is literally based on his existence.

[@brentjones905]

@@TheWildTrove our calendar is not based on his existence. Our calendar was created by someone from the church, hence the whole AD, BC thing. The calendar also was made because it was more accurate than the others before.

[@brentjones905]

@@TheWildTrove Christ's existence is held to the same standard as other things. The other things have evidence for their existence and it's been proven. Within reason obviously. Things like the earth is flat, or young, clearly aren't going to count and be held to the same standard since we know those to be false.

[@Ex_muslim_alonzo_harris]

Here's how abduls do taqi-yya: 1. Abduls claim all qurans around the world are perfectly preserved and are exactly the same word for word, letter for letter. 2. When we show them different qurans with different words they cunningly shift the goalposts claiming that the qurans may have different words but the differences are only due to different accents or different dialects. 3. When we then point out that the differences are not due to different accents or different dialects but that there are different words with different meaning altogether, they shift the goalposts again alleging that it's the context that is preserved because the different qurans complement each other. 4. When we again point out that certain verses in different qurans contradict each other, they make another excuse claiming all the different qurans are actually different qira'ats and were authorized by muhummud and so are preserved. 5. When we then ask them for proof from their qurans or hadiths where muhummud or allah authorized 10, 15 or 50 qira'ats, abduls start fuming and get triggered crying that we are Islamophobes and are lying 🤦 6. So notice how they shift their goalposts multiple times: "Perfectly preserved word for word" to "different words but different accents or dialects" to "context is the same" to "all qira'ats authorized by muhummud"!

[@ericspence-tw3pt]

and when you mention that the first Quran was burned by Uthman ibn Affan, which means the copies that came after can't be originals and therefore not perfectly preserved. But don't tell a Muslim this, because they'll dance around the issue and they do it so well you would think they were taught by a professional

[@MikeyLauren-qe7in]

@@ericspence-tw3ptUthman Ibn Affan with a committee came to create authenticated Verses that were verified and checked by people who actually MEMORIZED the Quran, and all the other false and unverified Qurans were burned, so nobody would claim those unverified writings were the REAL verses, so there would be no fitnah.

[@MikeyLauren-qe7in]

Qiraat is the different STYLES of recitation, just like how you say you all, or if ur in the Midwest u say YALL, it’s a different way of recitation, but has the same meaning.

[@Muhammad54Ayesha6]

I wouldn't believe a word any abduls spit. Their opinions are useless to me.

[@bibia336]

What about the goat that ate the Qu'wrong? Must have had a severe case of diarrhea. Poor goat

[@mgvilaca]

It's so funny how Muslims use Bart Ehrman against Chrstians when his works completely contradict Jesus according to Islam

[@Antihero297]

Islam is a self-contradictory mess. Pretty much all Muslims today will tell you that the New Testament was corrupted, but it doesn't say that in the Quran, it says the opposite basically. Muhammad swore an oath on the Old and New Testament and he didn't say anything about it being corrupted. At the same time, they say Allah is the author of the Bible and Allah's word cannot be corrupted. This is what happens when liars weave complicated webs

[@mgvilaca]

@@Antihero297 also there's no evidence the NT has been corrupted. Isaiah was found in the dead sea scrolls in 200 BC and it prophecizes about Jesus

[@321-Islam-Unpacked]

Right

[@321-Islam-Unpacked]

​@@Antihero297 Exactly

[@BeeShow820]

Even their Prophet Bart Ehrman ( sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) admits Jesus death at the cross is a historical fact

[@caos1925]

amazing the lengths people go to to deny Christianity.

[@mikehager4897]

Amazing the lengths christian fools will go to trying to defend their indefensible beliefs.

[@321-Islam-Unpacked]

So true! ❤

[@user-dr5tw1ki6f]

fr if they don't mind or care about our religion then why are so many people so bent on debunking or disproving it?

[@brentjones905]

​@@user-dr5tw1ki6fbecause nobody is able to tell the truth about it. Like IP here. If you would tell the truth about it, it would be much easier. Stop holding humanity back.

[@Kaleki935]

It's called they read the Bible, they read what CHRISTIAN scholars say, and come to the obvious conclusion that Christianity is false The fact that Islam stands up to the same tests, is only because it happens to be true. Jesus called God "Alaha", so may Allah guide you closer to the truth. The word we use-God, rooted from the Greek "deos", is WAY different. Because we fell astray.

[@stevedoetsch]

People who deny history are absolutely incoherent because their position is that we should believe their words rather than the words of other people. Such a challenge begs the question, of course, as to why we should believe them in the first place.

[@mikehager4897]

Even if their was a Jesus who was executed, of which there is no real history (only the pathetic maunderings of idiot apologists) it doesn't matter because the real question is if he was some kind of god and we know that is a moronic lie.

[@josejaquez4100]

This guy never said the word history in the clip. If he means that there is no archeological evidence then he is correct. But the clip is not enough to understand what he means.

[@kwakuandspinopython1346]

​@@mikehager4897are you a Muslim sympathiser who

[@rad_lad_2715]

​@@kwakuandspinopython1346Nah he sounds like an atheist who makes fun of theists for believing in gods even though the only logical outcome of atheism is that things can spontaneously come to life, which is arguably more absurd than there being an intelligent creator

[@r.nunezz]

Dialoging with Muslims is so funny because they just argue in a circle from the standpoint the Quran is true.

[@theconservativechristian7308]

At the end of the day, there is CONVENIENTLY "no evidence" for what people don't want to believe.

[@mikehager4897]

At the end of the day, reasonable people do not accept claims without evidence. Why do you?

[@dontburstmybubble686]

​@@mikehager4897 Yes, but there are 500 people who claim they saw Jesus again after he died.

[@Kaleki935]

​@dontburstmybubble686 and yet Barnabus said he wasn't? Better throw that book out! How about what James says about needing works and NOT just faith, contrary to Paul's oft-cited galatians? That's why the early fathers said his epistle should have been burned; it's evidence of their polytheistic intervention!!! Where are the accounts of those who saw Jesus? Not ONE centurion, not ONE record despite the Romans being known for their well-documented court procedures that America was founded upon, not even ONE account that can even match the "reliability" of the WEAKEST of Hadith which apparently come from a DONKEY, but you just wave away anyone as ignorant for daring to investigate the falsehoods of your faith. But then again, read what you say. 500 people "claim" to have saw him. This validates what the Quran says; it was reported that he was crucified but there will NEVER be evidence one way nor the other. I can "claim" to be a prophet and create Mormonism 2.0, that doesn't make the claim true. There's plenty of Hindus claiming their faith is true, does that make it so?

[@Ceccener]

​@@mikehager4897There was some evidence in the video.

[@Ceccener]

​@@mikehager4897Or were you talking about something else?

[@unsightedmetal6857]

Saying "there's no REAL evidence" is a pretty convenient (and dishonest) way to dismiss any evidence that goes against your claim.

[@ryanhoward8694]

Let’s also not forget that the early Christian sources would have no reason to make up a story about their Messiah being crucified. Crucifixion was the utmost shame in the agonistic cultures of the 1st-century Mediterranean world. The only reason to tell such a story was if it were true and if one had powerful evidence that said Messiah overcame that shameful death by, say, rising from the dead afterward.

[@mikehager4897]

What are you gibbering about. Myths of dying and ressurecting gods are utterly common. Horus, Baldur, Krishna, Adonis, and Osiris are examples right off the top of my head.

[@HOENUMAN]

​@@mikehager4897 you are absolutely wrong LoL for example krishna he never Ressurected 😂 so don't make stuff up I have read the hindu scriptures there is no mention of any ressurection of krishna

[@ryanhoward8694]

@@mikehager4897 1) What historical sources do you have that predate Christianity for dying and rising gods? 2) Define “resurrection”. Often I find that people online equivocate on the definition of the word. For example, Osiris is not a relevant parallel to Jesus because A) Horus is not presented as an actual historical person (whereas Jesus is) and B) Horus was stitched back together and remained in the underworld. That is NOT a parallel to Jesus, Who rose back to life in a glorified physical body. 3) As most internet peoples do in these kinds of discussions, you’ve blatantly missed my point. The point isn’t that Jesus died; it’s the KIND of death He died in the cultural context in which He died. Crucifixion was the ultimate humiliation, the great shame, a humiliation and shame that would have been attached to any who attached themselves to the one crucified. This is an agonistic (i.e., honor/shame) culture we’re talking about here. Making up a story about your leader being crucified would have been movement suicide…unless there were other factors at work, such as, perhaps, strong evidence that said leader actually rose from the dead. Further, the idea that 1st-century Jews would have borrowed from pagan myths is laughably ignorant of the cultural milieu of 1st-century Judea and Galilee. Those people had learned their lesson about worshipping pagan gods post-Babylonian exile (c. 586 BC). For their many cultural flaws, borrowing from paganism was certainly NOT one of them.

[@HOENUMAN]

​@@mikehager4897 The concept of resurrection varies among different mythologies and religions. While figures like Osiris in Egyptian mythology are often associated with resurrection, the specifics do not align exactly with the story of Jesus in Christianity. Similarly, figures like Balder in Norse mythology and Krishna in Hinduism have their own narratives involving death and rebirth, but these are not necessarily equivalent to the Christian idea of resurrection. Adonis in Greek mythology is associated with themes of rebirth and renewal, but again, the details differ from the resurrection story of Jesus. Each mythological figure has its own unique story and symbolism, so while there may be similarities in themes of death and rebirth, the concept of resurrection as understood in Christianity is very distinct.

[@OurStoryz123]

​@@mikehager4897shut up you stone worshipper

[@briandiehl9257]

There's no real evidence that the quran contradicts the trinity

[@MrMortal_Ra]

That it does or that it doesn’t?

[@truthseeker37747]

You do realize that Islam teaches that God has no son, right?

[@briandiehl9257]

@@truthseeker37747 yes,that is part of the joke. Obviously the Quran contradicts the trinity

[@unsightedmetal6857]

@@briandiehl9257 I love jokes like these, but it's so hard to detect sarcasm through the internet! (And I'm autistic, so it's especially hard for me)

[@truthseeker37747]

@@briandiehl9257 Oh, okay. My bad, man. ✋🤚 I can usually detect sarcasm but there are actual idiots who talk as if they know stuff when they don’t do their research. I thought you were one of them. xD

[@Itsmerveille125]

These bots have got to go!

[@321-Islam-Unpacked]

😂❤

[@aureum7479]

Even Bart Ehrman agrees he was crucified 💀

[@JadDragon]

And atheist trolls wonder why I don't have time for them when they come out with stuff like this. Jesus lives ♥️ and is God 🙏🏻 Christ ✝️ and King 👑

[@jameswitt108]

The guys he's responding to in the video is a Muslim not an atheist and most atheists who don't hold to mythicism don't deny that Jesus was crucified.

[@Jodacream]

​@@jameswitt108Bill maher dose

[@samgreen8902]

You’re just showing your ignorance there. A lot of atheists don’t deny there might have been a guy called Jesus who was crucified, they just reject the existence of a God, just how you reject the existence of every other got bar your own.

[@JadDragon]

@@samgreen8902 interesting how I say "atheist trolls" and you equate that with all atheists.

[@HangrySaturn]

This guy is a Muslim though.

[@TheWildTrove]

By this logic... there's no real evidence for any historical event

[@mikehager4897]

Incorrect.

[@neverstopschweiking]

We do have evidence for the murder of Caesar by senators, including many contemporary accounts, by the fact a war broke out because of it and we have coins from the time celebrating this minted by Brutus. Hannibal crossing the Alps with Elephants is a bit less supported by evidence, but there is still some, same as for Battle of Marathon. I would gladly accept the evidence for Jesus, if there were any. Tacitus wrote his two sentences about Jesus some 80 years after his supposed death. Josephus didn't write about him, it was a forgery by Eusebius. Mara Bar-Serapion probably doesn't talk about Jesus. We actually have better evidence for some dogs who were someone's pets in Rome than we have for the supposed messiah.

[@TREWQDSAW]

No.

[@travisanderson3920]

There's no real evidence that Momo didn't like little boys

[@ramadadiver7810]

😂

[@MattCofer-sw2if]

Yeah not even Bart Ehrman denies that he existed and was crucified

[@mikehager4897]

...and we all know that is not the real question. That is if he was a god and we all know that ios a dirty damn lie propagated by dirty damn liars.

[@briandiehl9257]

@@mikehager4897 No, that is literally the question here

[@BongBing11]

​@@mikehager4897Interesting theory, but it's pretty illogical.

[@Ex_muslim_alonzo_harris]

​@@mikehager4897 Bart ehrman - "So yes, now I agree that Jesus is portrayed as a divine being, a God-man, in all the Gospels." The quote from bart ehrman is found on his blog dated April 13th, 2014

[@mikehager4897]

@@BongBing11 You clearly are ignorant of logic. Go learn something and try again.

[@saxon6749]

They didn't put ppl up on crosses to survive lol

[@KaburKab]

Bots are gettin’ out of hand💀

[@user-dl2ei9gs6g]

Love the way you condense so much critical information into a video short! Also, I have seen many people saying, "eww, brother, eww" in live stream chats - you really started a trend with that! 😂

[@ChristianCombatives]

Any evidence for stuff I don't like may exist, but it isn't "real" evidence.

[@mikehager4897]

Ah, yes! The pitiful whine of those who have no evidence. Whining and crying that your nonsense is not accepted is a pretty sad look. Go get some butthurt cream.

[@mrintruder]

You SEE this is literally THE PROOF

[@turbo6585]

There's no REAL evidence his hairline isn't receding

[@kastorstudios801]

“Paul confirmed” the guy who wasn’t even there😂?

[@chenchi6623]

were you there tho?

[@kuafer3687]

He met with his brother and closest disciples

[@kastorstudios801]

@@kuafer3687 again that’s all according to Paul

[@kuafer3687]

​Council of Jerusalem is recorded outside of Pauline epistles. That's just stupid to deny Paul knew the Apostles, he was their contemporary @@kastorstudios801

[@Verge63]

​@@kastorstudios801We don't have reliable resources that you exist.

[@BasiliscBaz]

Theres was no REAL people before year 2000

[@markfields5214]

People get evidence and proof confused.

[@oolooo]

"We ignored all the evidence and we found no evidence"

[@immortalmonk2891]

All of those apostles that were executed for telling that "story" sure seems to believe it.

[@Shaso-xv3tw]

My favorite part is the Roman records which describe him being crucified for spreading “anti empire and pacifistic ideology dangerous to the soul of the Roman people”

[@inukithesavage828]

No evidence == they don't want to accept it.

[@armaggon5920]

The most written about historical figure and the most importance historical figure ever.

[@CzechsTeaNine]

I love how the Abfools lying with a straight face

[@boomer_vlogs597]

It's all about faith in jesus Christ ✝️❤

[@sentionaut6270]

the easter bunny said that he left candy for me. so it must be true.

[@marianoapuya5664]

The NASA moon landing did not take place. People take that seriously too, and that’s only decades ago.

[@MasonsMotions]

Your tone is probably what inspires me the most, it’s awesome.

[@Uchoobe-pg2nn]

He was literally crucified 😂😂😂 they really are simple minded aren't they

[@valkyrie3493]

Where's the evidence for Muhammed's encounter with "jibreel"? 😂 😂 😂

[@SALx96]

What people don't understand is that the quran says that Jesus was never killed nor crucified but it APPEARED SO. Which means that if we could go back in time somehow and actually say what happened we would see what appears to be Jesus being crucified. So even if every single human being that was alive at the time confirmed that they saw him being crucified it still won't prove anything

[@Pyr0Ben]

There really is something to be said about the evidence for the resurrection if the people claiming a jewish guy DIDN'T rise from the dead are the ones doing mental gymnastics

[@ramadadiver7810]

The Caesar example is my long-term favourite . We have no eyewitness writings from those who were present

[@mikehager4897]

Yes, we do. We have lots. We also have writings from the man himself. Have you just never read anything?

[@ramadadiver7810]

@@mikehager4897 We do not have writings from the man himself.. Caesar does not record his own assassination

[@ben21723]

yeah ceaser himself recorded Something,after He died.​@@mikehager4897

[@onestoptechnologies7305]

“If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you."

[@captainmario11991]

There’s is no real proof that I’m the same captainmario that fell asleep last night

[@salserokorsou]

Yeah that's how we know Muhammad split the moon in 2.

[@IsaiahINRI]

Once again. If you ignore all the evidence then there is no evidence.

[@amt4653]

There's no proof that this video isn't ai

[@danascully1248]

Same vibes as "there's no real evidence for macroevolution"

[@Kharniela]

Thank you, IP! Mike, stay Blessed and Based! ❤

[@LearntoLead1111]

IP said in one of his videos gospel cannot be shared by sword you have to take up the cross, revenge or hatred is not our way we live through love and mercy which is the way of Christ our lord and saviour.

[@haroonahmed1812]

There are no first witness acc. of crucifixion . If there is provide evidence not people that heard of crucifixion making the example of Tacitus which was not present at the crucifixion.

[@AdonaiSaxon01]

That Josephus quote may be a medieval fabrication… I’ll put that out at least

[@LearntoLead1111]

Thank you IP for presenting Gospel to us we are indebted to you and our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ

[@kevin-en2pi]

If we leave the land of make believe we can no longer discuss the bible

[@dugw15]

The Hadith are pretty questionable historically.

[@G02372]

And in China the Emperor Guangwu of Han wrote about the death of Jesus as well.

[@sergeemmanuelt.5398]

Tell us more about that

[@G02372]

@@sergeemmanuelt.5398 “Yin and Yang have mistakenly switched, and the sun and moon were eclipsed. The sins of all the people are now on one man. Pardon is proclaimed to all under heaven.” History of Latter Han Dynasty, Volume 1, Chronicles of Emperor Guang Wu, 7th year. “In the day of Gui Hai, the last day of the month, there was a solar eclipse. [The emperor] avoided the Throne Room, suspended all military activities and did not handle official business for five days.” History of Latter Han Dynasty, Vol. 1, Chronicles of Emperor Guang Wu, 7th year”. Another historical record says: “Eclipse on the day of Gui Hai, Man from Heaven died”. History of Latter Han, Annals, No. 18, Gui Hai. As we know, when Christ died there was darkness that covered the earth. “From the sixth hour until the ninth hour darkness came over all the land.” Mark 15:33.

[@G02372]

@@sergeemmanuelt.5398 “Yin and Yang have mistakenly switched, and the sun and moon were eclipsed. The sins of all the people are now on one man. Pardon is proclaimed to all under heaven.” History of Latter Han Dynasty, Volume 1, Chronicles of Emperor Guang Wu, 7th year. “In the day of Gui Hai, the last day of the month, there was a solar eclipse. [The emperor] avoided the Throne Room, suspended all military activities and did not handle official business for five days.” History of Latter Han Dynasty, Vol. 1, Chronicles of Emperor Guang Wu, 7th year”. Another historical record says: “Eclipse on the day of Gui Hai, Man from Heaven died”. History of Latter Han, Annals, No. 18, Gui Hai. As we know, when Christ died there was darkness that covered the earth. “From the sixth hour until the ninth hour darkness came over all the land.” Mark 15:33. fb.watch/s3F75YahtT/?

[@G02372]

@@sergeemmanuelt.5398 it gets deleted every time that I tell you more!

[@utopiabuster]

Yea, thinking is not one of nonbeliever strong suits.

[@neverstopschweiking]

Thinking is hard for non-believers, it is absolutely impossible for believers. That's why it's called "faith", not "reasoning".

[@logicaldude3611]

There are no other historical accounts scrutinized the way the Gospels are. And what’s weird about the crucifixion of Jesus is that there’s nothing in there that jumps out as, “Aha! This is totally unrealistic historically!” No, it all fits remarkably well into that time period. And moreover, not a single person in the first century comes out and says, “These Christians are weird. They worship a guy who didn’t even exist and they keep saying he was crucified.” No, one of the main arguments against Christianity in the first century was, “Who would worship a crucified god?”

[@mikehager4897]

"Logical"? Nonsense. You think someone coming from the dead is realistic? You think the sun standing still in the sky is realistic? You think that many people in Jerusalem got out of their graves? Seriously?

[@neverstopschweiking]

Well, if you ignore all evidence, than you can believe in the bible. Example: According to the bible, Jesus was supposedly born on a way to attend a census and after his birth, Herod the Great sent his men to kill babies. Historical facts: We know the census took place, it was Census of Roman Judaea, it took place in the year 6 C.E. We also know sons of Herod ruled and minted coins as rulers since the year 4 B.C., which is when Herod died. In other words, we have material evidence that Herod was already dead for a decade by the time of the census.

[@sirkermitthefirstoffrogeth9622]

Everyone that was in Judea: "Yea, Jesus got crucified."

[@joanmcsweeney5547]

These people still exist? There is an overwhelming amount of evidence...to over look it is to be the biggest FOOL

[@lodestar3984]

Without lies, Islam dies.

[@adamstewart9052]

It didn't cross his mind to wonder why people started telling that story.

[@timeones]

There's are absolutely no first hand accounts of Jesus' crucification.

[@MichalNemet]

Oh look, Lord of the Rings fans are arguing whether part two or part three are real.

[@TROadorn]

How old is earth and how many days it took to create - also what does it mean? About history and philosophical world of religions?

[@kyleluster4713]

400 years after thats the oldest bible

[@rpierwit]

Now a days there is no real evidence that man isn't AI. 🤔🙄

[@abm5707]

There's no real evidence that the old man knows what he's talking about.

[@Boundaryy]

Lets not forget that Tacitus despised Christians and called them a "disease" so he is the most unbiased source in favor of the crucifixion. If anything he had every motive to say the opposite of what he actually said, but thankfully he was at least an honest historian.

[@guychase5842]

“Early christian “ sources no earlier than 325 CE - Council of Nicea

[@Leviticusians]

Nope. The Council of Nicea was for Arianism not Biblical Canons, get it right. They had nothing to do with it. Also the sources he put up are historical sources which predate the Council of Nicea. Drop your ego and have humility at the face of Truth

[@user-iz8bs8rk9f]

Wasn't Islam started like, 500 years after Christianity? I dont even know where i heard that.

[@sanguine7599]

The Galatians whom Christ was crucified directly in front of also quickly forgot this.

[@briandiehl9257]

Do you know where Galatia is and where Jesus died

[@sanguine7599]

Do you forget that this is what Paul said to them?

[@ramadadiver7810]

​@@briandiehl9257 Jesus would of had some gentile disciples and apostles

[@briandiehl9257]

@@ramadadiver7810 perhapse, but it seems unlikely any of them would be from galatia

[@ramadadiver7810]

@@briandiehl9257 Well jesus was crucified around passover where many Jews from galaltia would have travelled to jeruselum

[@gamalsaad1545]

with hadith you have continuous chain of narrative of thousand of people

[@Se7en983]

Someone once said to me that Jesus never existed. I said oh that’s funny neither did the Romans… he said YES they did…. I said, oh thats good because they kept records about the crucifixion of Jesus!! So if the Romans existed then so did Jesus of nazareth 👍

[@Christian_PDB]

Proof Jesus was Muslim! Jesus can speak also muslims can speak!

[@johnlee7699]

The way that dude's eyes are darting everywhere shows his bluff!

[@Dendoi_]

I'm a Muslim and eyewitnesses are enough evidence as it gets, I'd recommend going after actual people of knowledge rather than picking at mistakes other Muslims make

[@joshclips2053]

Even chatgpt says jesus is crucified

[@poptart2323]

It’s funny how the two false branching off points after Christ both deny he was crucified

[@maylabrown4584]

Even other Muslims betray that Jesus Christ was executed, what is this talking about???

[@fredsalfa]

People just make up there own histories and believe it 100% as fact

[@nmdale78]

If one looks at the historical foundations of Islam, there's very little evidence Mohammed existed. In fact Mohammed, meaning blessed one, was probably used as the equivalent of Christ...for Jesus, as a worshipful term of a Monophysite Christian sect...based on Syriac traditions. Which is why the Koran contains various Syriac stories at least one of which we have identified the original Christian source text for. Later traditions of historical Mohammads (like the one who met the Christian Monk Gabriel...in a cave and who instructed this Mohammad in Christianity) have then seemed to have been blended into one narrative.

[@kevin11007]

The problem is there are 3000 religion's to choose from, someone's going to be disappointed.

[@user-rz2uo5ji1c]

Hey @inspiringphilosophy is Christianity idol worship ? I’m just curious asking because when we go to church we see idols of Jesus Mary and in Christianity we are not actually allowed to make idols of our lord I think

[@ethanevans2689]

“There’s no real evidence”= someone didn’t time travel to film it ig

[@ordinarylife2343]

There's no witnesses when Muhammad went to heaven with a flying wing horse.

[@Stormer13]

I find it funny how even atheist historians agree that Jesus was a man who lived around the beginning of the first century, teaching about love and forgiveness, and then was executed by crucifixion. They just stop agreeing with Christians at the point of what happened after his death.

[@Getthetruth5]

Jesus died on the cross

[@D-Trez]

You missed the most important one, "there is no real evidence" a God or the God said anything to muhumad.

[@ryanoftheasurr]

I mean there's no real reason that Jesus existed past just being some guy, for all we know he's just a Brian from Monty Python

[@abdimohammed3907]

But did they say that he was died that is the crucial part 🤔

[@williammceuen8831]

To be fair. The people that wrote about Jesus death were born after he died. Hard to count recordings of hear say as historical fact.

[@DragonBall0789]

Since there is no video recording one person said 😂😂😅

[@NoEvidence-qo5tp]

You were right about the hadiths.

[@beng2307]

Josephus the historian is a reliable source, I will put money on that.

[@mikehager4897]

...and the passages in Josephus are well known to be later forgeries. Bring a liar for jesus is nothing new.

[@NoPallWLeb]

The existence of Jesus is a fact. But at the end of the they it charges nothing. He was just a somehow important person.

[@beefsupreme4671]

So denying evidence because you don’t like it is bad? I agree. What about the fact that the first 11 chapters of Genesis are historical narrative and all the science that agrees with that.