Must watch Why do you call upon ali | Br Shamsi vs Shia |Speakers Corner

[@shahidmiah7014]

This brother is telling the truth Only pray to Allah direct These brothers are wrongly guided May Allah guide us all to the truth

[@shahid8545]

islam Rashid ameen

[@asifahmad4748]

The shia logic I don't know why I believe what I do, i don't know the Quran and where my beliefs come from.!! How then do you know what you do and believe is correct or not?

[@qaisyosufzai1369]

I love you shamsi

[@asifahmad4748]

Qais Yosufzai hayakhallh Abu aisha

[@anthonygloria5192]

Y'all do shirk in the Tashahud.

[@shahid8545]

Why is monotheism so hard. Stop putting intermediaries between you and your lord. Its not necessary nor did he ask of you. You are entitled to seek and know your lord directly. Not through Jesus or Ali or a rock, or a 4 armed statue. Muslims are monotheists. Isnt this crazy? If someone was to put anyone between them and Allah wouldnt it be the prophet(saw)? Yet they choose Ali to invoke Allah through? This is utter misguidance to the highest degree. I've only been a Muslim for 3yrs and this is so easy to understand. The problem is their emotions get in the way of truth. May Allah(swt) protect us from this.

[@celestialknight2339]

Apocalypse Well said, my brother. We ask Allah (swt) to help us with having remembrance, gratefulness, and the best worship of Him. Ameen.

[@shahid8545]

Abdul S. Ameen

[@anthonygloria5192]

Apocalypse If you do the Tashahud then you're doing shirk.

[@LIVERZ]

Samya.R salaams. ignore the "chinese looking writing guy" he's always lurking around the sunni defence channel videos spreading nonsensical arguments which will waste your time and distract you with pointless things to think about. He's a joke, thinks he's smart by the questions he asks lol, trust me

[@LIVERZ]

Samya.R no worries and you're right only for the sake of debate, just be wary of these type of people.. because their life's confused without purpose they want to do the same to you.

[@celestialknight2339]

I can’t believe that Shi’a at the beginning said that Allah (swt) tells us to go “find a helper” in the Quran. What misguidance! Rather, Allah the Almighty says, *”Indeed, to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth; He gives life and causes death. AND YOU DO NOT HAVE BESIDES ALLAH ANY PROTECTOR NOR HELPER.” (Quran **9:11**6, At-Tawba)*

[@celestialknight2339]

Big Boy True. But they will come to know on the Day of Judgement who was in clear error. May Allah (swt) guide this man.

[@amatullahnet5022]

The Shia says something like "we don't always call upon Ali, only sometimes". Tawheed is not on a spectrum. You are either a muwahhid or you are not. Ain't no such thing as 80% Tawheed and 20% Shirk. Not even if it was 99,999999999%. Only Allah is deserving of worship and worshipped in truth.

[@syedabbas2199]

Amatullah net or maybe because the prophet(saw) called out Ya Ali in battles and on the night of Hijra, so how about researching upon that first. Also why do you automatically assume that calling Imam Ali for help is a replacement for calling to Allah(swt)? Then it just goes back to the argument about us as humans going to doctors, dentists etc for help instead of Allah

[@amatullahnet5022]

Syed Abbas There is an article which describes the difference between the permissible and impermissible Isteegatha. I can't copy it in here, because it is too long, but the link is: abdurrahman.org/2014/10/03/seeking-assistance-from-the-dead/ It is a good article containing proofs. May Allah guide all of us. Ameen

[@amatullahnet5022]

Syed Abbas This article is also very informative: islamqa.info/en/34575

[@shahid8545]

Amatullah net facts

[@mohuss1804]

Obviously, our Prophet (Peace Be Upon Him) said 'Ya Ali Ya Ali'. He would obviously call him for help, he was actually alive at the time and actually had the ability to help him with whatever. The Prophet also called upon almost all of the other companions (May Allah be Pleased With Them), so should we also say 'Ya Abu Bakr', 'Ya Umar' and 'Ya Uthmaan' too because the Prophet (Peace Be Upon Him) said that too whilst they were all still alive and could actually help him. Also, the argument with the doctors/dentists etc. actually also works against your argument because the doctors are alive and actually have the ability to help you but the dead cannot. Also, just because you go to the doctors does not mean you do not pray to Allah (Azza waJal) for shifa (healing) because the success of the doctor's treatment lies with the Will of Allah “And who is more astray than one who calls (invokes) besides Allaah, such as will not answer him until the Day of Resurrection, and who are (even) unaware of their calls (invocations) to them? And when mankind are gathered (one the Day of Resurrection), they (false deities) will become enemies for them and will deny their worshipping.” [al-Ahqaaf 46:5-6] Allaah states that anyone who calls on anything other than him is taking that thing as a god, as He says (interpretation of the meaning): “…And those, whom you invoke or call upon instead of Him, own not even a qitmeer (the thin membrane over a date-stone). If you invoke (or call upon) them, they hear not your call, and if (in case) they were to hear, they could not grant it (your request) to you. And on the Day of Resurrection, they will disown your worshipping them. And none can inform you (O Muhammad), like Him Who is the All-Knower (of everything).” [Faatir 35:13-14]. According to this verse, Ali ibn Abi Talib (May Allah be Pleased With him), who is also dead, cannot hear you except by Allah's permission (in which case there was no point of 'waseelah' in the first place) Those things or people that are worshipped cannot hear du’aa’s, let alone respond to the one who invokes them, and even if they were able to hear, they cannot respond, because they do not have the power to either benefit or harm. Secondly, it is clear from these verses among many others that Allah considers calling upon anyone else besides him as Kufr bIllah. “And your Lord said: ‘Invoke Me (and ask Me for anything), I will respond to your invocation. Verily! Those who scorn My worship [i.e., do not invoke Me and do not believe in My Oneness], they will surely enter Hell in humiliation!” [Ghaafir 40:60]. “Invoke your Lord with humility and in secret…” [al-A’raaf 7:55]. “ And whoever invokes (or worships) besides Allaah, any other god, of whom he has no proof, then his reckoning is only with his Lord. Surely, al-kaafiroon (the disbelievers in Allaah and in the Oneness of Allaah) will not be successful.” [al-Mu’minoon 23:117].

[@trademarkuk7504]

Shia are still holding on to their pre-islamic Zoroastrian doctrines.

[@rawkeeper7601]

Because Zoroastrianism is the basis for monotheistic Abrahamic doctrines.

[@trademarkuk7504]

Raw Keeper Islam is a divine belief system that eradicated all ism & skisms satanic systems I.e Zoroastrianism.

[@rawkeeper7601]

Islam is a subjective believe system that is based on religions that came before it including Zoroastrianism. Monotheisms didn't even exist before Zoroastrianism.

[@trademarkuk7504]

Raw Keeper you have no objective explanation to your ludicrous claim -Islam revived the standard belief in one God by presenting the intellectual argument against every other false manmade beliefs answering all questions in a profound way presenting all challenges to man with confidence to remain dominant. Prove Islam wrong & you might have a leg to stand on.

[@rawkeeper7601]

Prove Islam right and you might have a leg to stand on. Until now all claims of religions are nothing more then subjective opinions based on idea's from ancient books which we can trace back where and when monotheism started and evolved.

[@KindBatman]

Shias believe Ali is better than Jesus? What nonsense are they on? What drugs are they on?

[@imranahmed1542]

The Batman they are on many contraband using and believing this nonsense

[@shahid8545]

Ridiculous

[@khademalhusayn6932]

The only one who is better than Imam Ali (A) is Prophet Muhammad (S). You should learn your religion. May God bless the shia

[@gdaebb9179]

@@khademalhusayn6932 If the only ONE better than Ali is prophet Maxamed PBUH, then why don't you call upon prophet Maxamed? Why is it wrong for us to worship Mohamed although he is the most important man to us????

[@agilenjeyamraj1739]

@@gdaebb9179 you need to read kitab al kafi... to know their true face!!

[@jostheboss78]

Shamsi dealt with them calmly, assertively with facts not arrogance. Nice one ahki may Allah guide us all to the haqq in sha Allah

[@maghribi5371]

Wallahi the Haqq is clear. Either you accept it and stop the shirk/disbelief or you neglect it and you end up in hellfire

[@AyyanMC]

brother shamsi never dissapoints mashallah

[@blasty-gg]

Alhamdulilah for tawheed.Alhamdulilah

[@عبدالله-ع4ض6خ]

ما شاء الله لا قوة إلا بالله بارك الله فيكم وحفظكم ونصركم ونفع بكم

[@basittsyyed]

Well spoken brother shamsi, I’ve seen a lot of Christian doctrines (the made up ones of course) influencing sects of Islam, and these sects follow the same ideologies as well.

[@anthonygloria5192]

Basitt Syyed You mean like Muslims believe Jesus will return just like the Christians do?

[@basittsyyed]

アンソニー no I said the made up doctrines, A coming of the messiah is unanimously agreed doctrine within Islam juidaism and Christianity, however the second coming (so clarifying the messiah is Jesus) is ONLY acknowledged by Muslims and Christians, some Christians say his coming was the second coming but that’s an absolutely small percentage.

[@syedabbas2199]

Basitt Syyed But bro how did you Khalifas even become khalifas😂 on about being the “true” muslim sect when you can’t even follow the prophets clear instructions at ghadir e khum

[@basittsyyed]

Allah knows best :D

[@saleemraza4678]

SHIA treat Ali (as) like God

[@graphicunit]

Imam Ali a.s was highly praised by Rasool Allah p.b.u.h. So we Shia follow the sunnah and do the same

[@amir123786]

graphicunit ali named his sons umar Abu bakar and uthmaan. Shias don’t do that. Hahaha they curse those names. Lol

[@graphicunit]

@@amir123786 bro please read what history says and not what someone told you. First of all abu Bakr is a qunya not his name. Why would he name it after his nickname?if he wanted to name it after him then he would have called him Ateeq or Abdullah according to history. Secondly his son was Ammar not Omar and yes uthman was one of his sons names, which was named after uthman ibn madghon which didnt drink alcohol before islam. But let's say all the above is false.. why didnt abu bakr, omar and uthman name their sons Hassan and Hussain? Does that now mean that they hated ahlul bayt? Please brother its simple to just go back and read and save yourself from all the lies you have been told

[@khanshinwari3664]

graphicunit is that mentioned in Quran

[@ihh8714]

graphicunit so was abu bakr umar uthman all the prohets and sahaba the prophets wives... whats your point

[@TheAudiophile81]

A man with an ear ring on that says it all no need to debate those ppl and going in to specific matter bcz they need an reality check!

[@4evertwisted]

How clear cut can Shamsi tell them. It's pure basic logic.

[@RMAhmed89]

This shia brother is nice guy may allah guide him

[@adjiedguman2312]

Part 2 Very good Exposed the shia's Brothers

[@k-mvlogs7529]

this is not just a shia problem but lot of sunnis with lack of understanding of the teachings of the prophet also fall into shirk remember over 73 diffrent sects if muslims but only 1 will entre janah so be very carfull brothers and sisters save your self from the worst possable form of sin (shirk) stick to the quran and sunnah

[@naiemmagednau68]

These shias will be answerable to Allah on the day of judgement for their misguided believes, may Allah protect us Ameen

[@logicalreasoning1088]

Prayer to you may be only in times of need. For others it’s to maintain a connection with our creator!

[@RMAhmed89]

Allah said And We have already created man and know what his soul whispers to him, and We are closer to him than [his] jugular vein So why do u need a wasila when allah is this close to u

[@abulailaalshishany9249]

And that is when the black Shi’a realized he messed up 😂😂...

[@haniosman7822]

The graveworshippers never cease to amaze me, look at shia debaters with tattoos, earrings and all kind of un Islamic symbols .

[@seekforjannah2432]

Mashallah Br shamsi preach Br preach

[@LETSUNITEUPONHAQQ]

lets unite of the truth truth lol

[@djemel127]

Barak Allaahu feek khoya

[@rasyidihramsyah7992]

They choose their Culture and Ancestors above truth

[@zahirkhan-yq3gr]

Saying- Ya Rasool Madad, Ya Ali Madad, Ya Ghous Madad, Ya Hasan or Husain Madad, Etc Are ALL INCLUDED IN SHIRK. Say ONLY : " YA ALLAH MADAD" " You (Alone) We Worship, And You (Alone) We Ask For Help (For Each And Everything)" - Qur'an 1:5 Note : Madad means Help

[@BD-hm3fb]

Are people allowed to say Ya rasoolullah

[@zahirkhan-yq3gr]

@@BD-hm3fb NO

[@BD-hm3fb]

@@zahirkhan-yq3gr thanks

[@zahirkhan-yq3gr]

@@BD-hm3fb welcome

[@mahjurah]

The preeminence of tawassul to the Divine Essence Before ending the discussion, it is necessary to pose this question: Which is superior, tawassul to God, or tawassul to the saints of God? It can be concluded from the verse, ﴿أَيُّهُمْ أَقْرَبُ.﴾ “whoever is nearer {to Him}”17 that tawassul to God is superior. That is, as much as possible, one must seek help from God and this is a principle to which Muslim mystics are steadfast. But just as he makes use of his intellect, natural instinct and other means in managing his life, man also seeks the assistance of intermediaries in the domain of spirituality and seeking nearness to Allah.

[@ashfaqahmad9893]

shamsi u are right mashallah the quran is very clear allah say in the quran this brother needs to go and read the quran

[@huzar237]

To call upon any creation of God and seek its mercy or guidance is shirk and is strictly forbidden! We dont even call upon Muhammad(pbuh) for help only Allah.

[@scorpionknight916]

I am laughing so hard at the poor guy in the middle haha

[@haili586]

he is shia but he is nice somehow, and sincere somehow

[@PictureThisNewMedia]

It's so simple! All you have to do is ask for help from Allah only! Allah has allowed you and told you to ask him only. You don't need permission from Ali, Jesus, or Muhammad peace be upon them! Only Allah! No one else!

[@imark2569]

I kinda felt sorry for this uncle in the middle Lool. I hope he was on Shamsi’s side

[@Provision600]

Shias believe that Ali is better than Jesus? Thats insane! Thats not Islam.

[@nazirhussain5084]

Isa is a prophet, and one of the highest and greatest prophets in islam, Ali is a very respected and a good figure/khalifas in islam, we say Isa (AS) and we say Ali (RA), theres a big difference in those who we say (AS) after using there name as to people who we say (RA) too. Saying that, there is no way Ali (RA) is higher than Isa (AS). Its not really that hard to understand, emotions get in the way of truth, Allah has revealed to us the Quran, why dont we use his words to figure out the truth? To me it seems like Ali (ra) is more respected than Mohammad (saw) to shias and a more important figure. Some shias harm themselves as a way to memorate the death of Ali (RA) when Allah clearly said self harm is prohibited. Some shias diss the sahabas when Allah clearly talks about them as good people in the Quran. Some shias diss Aisha (RA) when she is one of the women that was talked highly in the Quran, she wrote many hadiths about our prophet and she was one of the wives and the most beloved to our prophet. Shias in Iran have also remixed the azan adding Ali (ra) name when thats not the azan our prophet heard in his time. In sha allah, some shias see this and realise and see some of the teachings they have been bought up to is wrong and goes against the sunnah of our prophet.

[@abdifupi2587]

Walahi shaitan he is fulfilling his promise by misguiding people, may Allah azawjal guide us and keep us steady fast.

[@zebz313]

Lol Isa the not so great waltzes in as if he's going to save the day, then shortly after gets completely destroyed by brother Shamsi 😂

[@NG-ku7ie]

Prophet Muhammad Shallallahu Alaihi Wassalam never teach moeslem to pray to Allah through Ali Bin Abi Thalib Radhiallahu Anhu..

[@mahjurah]

It can be deduced from this verse that the inter mediation of the Holy Prophet (s) can also be resorted to in asking God for forgiveness of sins. It is possible to criticize the deduction based on the first verse with the answer that the tawassul of the sons of Ya'qub ('a) to their father had been confined to their own time; that is, one may seek the help of the living and not the dead. We shall talk about this point later on in the section concerning tabarruk. What can be inferred from the second verse is that tawassul to the Prophet (s) is in a general sense. That is, it includes both the time when the Prophet (s) was alive and the time afterward. And there is no reason to distinguish between tawassul during and after his lifetime. Since the following verse reproaches tawassul to idols and regards it as a form of polytheism, some individuals might cite it as proof that tawassul to other than God leads to misguidance: ﴿وَقَالُوا لاَ تَذَرُنَّ آلِهَتَكُمْ وَلاَ تَذَرُنَّ وَدًّا وَلاَ سُوَاعًا وَلاَ يَغُوثَ وَيَعُوقَ وَنَسْرًا. وَقَدْ أَضَلُّوا كَثِيرًا وَلاَ تَزِدْ الظَّالِمِينَ إِلاَّ ضَلاَلاً.﴾ They say, 'Do not abandon your gods. Do not abandon Wadd, nor Suwa', nor Yaghuth, Ya'uq and Nasr,' and they have certainly led many astray. Do not increase the wrongdoers in anything but error'.6

[@mariamomar1572]

What I've noticed is most shias don't quote the Quran like Christians do. They want the translation of the Quran when the ayat are said they have no clue.

[@chirazzk8095]

At least he s honest

[@unitedwestand9805]

Astagfirullah leave Ali ra alone he is a good man if he knew you were praying to god through him, I can tell you now he would be so angry with Shias

[@stumpswestmidlands8602]

Absolutely destroyed!!!!!

[@mohdarifahmad1949]

Wasting time arguing with shia ..May Allah guide them

[@i19alah]

If Allah wants you to call him through some one then why would he command you to read ( it's you we worship alone and it's you we seek help from )

[@saleemraza4678]

Read sura FITR it will teach you SHIA. ALLAH says those in grave can't hear you even if they did they will not be able to give you anything.

[@syedabbas2199]

Saleem Raza We as Shias believe that they weren’t given birth to in the first place so how would we believe that they’ve died. They weren’t normal beings like you and I. Even the Quran says that think not of the dead as dead as they are with us but we perceive it not- so if this is the status of normal being then how can the best of creation made possibly be dead ?

[@BD-hm3fb]

@@syedabbas2199 you need help Did you say they weren’t born at all😂 Did you say there not normal beings😂 If Prophet Muhammad pbuh called himself no more than a man then how the hell is Ali ra more than a normal being and how was he not born😂

[@mahjurah]

Since God does not reproach the sons of Ya'qub for resorting to two persons of those who are near to Him {muqarrabun}, it can be concluded that there is nothing wrong in entreating the Prophet (s) especially since the eminence of his rank and the loftiness of his station are not hidden to anyone. The other verse which may be cited is the following: ﴿وَلَوْ أَنَّهُمْ إِذْ ظَلَمُوا أَنفُسَهُمْ جَاءُوكَ فَاسْتَغْفَرُوا اللَّهَ وَاسْتَغْفَرَ لَهُمُ الرَّسُولُ لَوَجَدُوا اللَّهَ تَوَّابًا رَحِيمًا.﴾ Had they, when they wronged themselves, come to you and pleaded Allah for forgiveness, and the Apostle had pleaded for forgiveness for them, they would have surely found Allah All-clement, All-merciful.533 It can be deduced from this verse that the inter mediation of the Holy Prophet (s) can also be resorted to in asking God for forgiveness of sins. It is possible to criticize the deduction based on the first verse with the answer that the tawassul of the sons of Ya'qub ('a) to their father had been confined to their own time; that is, one may seek the help of the living and not the dead. We shall talk about this point later on in the section concerning tabarruk. What can be inferred from the second verse is that tawassul to the Prophet (s) is in a general sense. That is, it includes both the time when the Prophet (s) was alive and the time afterward. And there is no reason to distinguish between tawassul during and after his lifetime.

[@randomviewers8482]

저는 말레이시아에서 왔습니다. 당신에게 평화가 있기를

[@maxk888]

Brother if this is how it is now to love ali. Imagine how it was in the time of moawiah. Ahlulbait jave been fought throught time so nothing new to see the people that love them receiev the same treatment

[@zahirkhan-yq3gr]

ya Ali CANNOT madad

[@mahjurah]

Tawassul in the Qur’an Many verses of the Qur'an and Prophetic traditions speak about the subject of tawassul to the awliya'. As an example, one may refer to the verses related to the sons of Ya'qub (Jacob) ('a): ﴿قَالُوا يَا أَبَانَا اسْتَغْفِرْ لَنَا ذُنُوبَنَا إِنَّا كُنَّا خَاطِئِينَ. قَالَ سَوْفَ أَسْتَغْفِرُ لَكُمْ رَبِّي إِنَّهُ هُوَ الْغَفُورُ الرَّحِيمُ.﴾ They said, 'Father! Plead {with Allah} for forgiveness of our sins! We have indeed been erring'. He said, 'I shall plead with my Lord to forgive you; indeed He is the All-forgiving, the All-merciful'.4 In these verses, the sons of Ya'qub ('a) resorted to the inter mediation of their father. They had committed mistakes so many times; they had annoyed and disturbed two prophets of God (Ya'qub and Yusuf (Joseph) ('a)), and transgressed the command of God by annoying their parents and telling lies. Since those mistakes required the sons to seek forgiveness, they took their father as their intercessor; so this action has not been denied or rejected in the Qur'an.

[@falsehoodrefuted]

The Shia can't even say صلى الله عليه وسلم !!! 5:58

[@a.d2019]

Yeah I was about comment that 🤣

[@mahjurah]

Istimdad and tawassul to the living ones Seeking help and assistance from the living is permissible and it cannot be treated as a form of polytheism. This is a point which has been endorsed and affirmed by stories in the Qur'an. For example, when Hadrat Yusuf (Joseph) ('a) was in prison he requested his cellmate, that if the latter was released, he should mention his case to the king: ﴿اذْكُرْنِي عِنْدَ رَبِّكَ.﴾ Mention me to your master.14 Or, when Hadrat Musa and Khidr ('a) arrived at a certain village, they made a request to the inhabitants of the village, hence: ﴿فَانطَلَقَا حَتَّى إِذَا أَتَيَا أَهْلَ قَرْيَةٍ اسْتَطْعَمَا أَهْلَهَا.﴾ So they went on. When they came to the people of a town, they asked its people for food.15 It can be said that the acts of these three great personalities, apart from not being acts of polytheism, they are rational and customary behaviors, having no inconsistency with their infallibility {ismah}. Also, in confirming this statement, the following verse, which is addressed to the Prophet (s), can be cited as proof: ﴿وَلَوْ أَنَّهُمْ إِذْ ظَلَمُوا أَنفُسَهُمْ جَاءُوكَ فَاسْتَغْفَرُوا اللَّهَ وَاسْتَغْفَرَ لَهُمُ الرَّسُولُ لَوَجَدُوا اللَّهَ تَوَّابًا رَحِيمًا.﴾ Had they, when they wronged themselves, come to you and pleaded Allah for forgiveness, and the Apostle had pleaded for forgiveness for them, they would have surely found Allah all-clement, all-merciful.16 Based on this verse, the Prophet (s) has been granted the permission to be the intercessor of sinners. According to the Shi`ah, this intercession is still valid and is not confined to the lifetime of the Prophet (s).

[@mahjurah]

Accordingly, how could Shaykh Muhammad ibn 'Abd al-Wahhab also say that “Anyone who dies would be annihilated,”20 while the Holy Qur'an says, ﴿فَكَشَفْنَا عَنْكَ غِطَاءَكَ فَبَصَرُكَ الْيَوْمَ حَدِيدٌ.﴾ We have removed your veil from you, and so your sight is acute today.11 In another place, it states thus, ﴿وَلَهُمْ رِزْقُهُمْ فِيهَا بُكْرَةً وَعَشِيًّا.﴾ And therein they will have their provision morning and evening.12 Since there is morning and evening in the world of barzakh according to the verse quoted, and that the dead have provisions, those who are in the world of sojourn (barzakh) cannot be regarded as nonexistent {ma'dum}. Of course, morning and evening are special characteristics of barzakh because there is no sun on the Day of Resurrection which could portray this case. So, death is not equivalent to nonexistence, and the theory of the Wahhabis is consequentially rendered false. The permission to resort to the sacred personages In the following verse, the Holy Qur'an regards it permissible and acceptable to resort to and seek the intermediation of the chosen ones of God in seeking nearness to Him {taqarrub}: ﴿يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا اتَّقُوا اللَّهَ وَابْتَغُوا إِلَيْهِ الْوَسِيلَةَ وَجَاهِدُوا فِي سَبِيلِهِ لَعَلَّكُمْ تُفْلِحُونَ.﴾ O you who have faith! Be wary of Allah, and seek the means of recourse to Him, and wage jihad in His way, so that you may be felicitous.13 Although in this verse seeking the means of recourse is discussed in a general sense, based on the other proofs and pieces of evidence mentioned in the Holy Qur'an and the traditions, one of its vivid manifestations is the prophets and saints. Therefore, the purport of this verse may be expressed in the following words: Though approaching God is the outcome of grace, you have to observe God-wariness {taqwa} perfectly and since it is possible that the persons resorted to have no independence of their own and have obtained such station through sincerity {ikhlas} and God-wariness {taqwa}, you also have to maintain God-wariness in resorting to them.

[@tariqrehman4748]

Asking Ali for help rather than Allah is pure Shirk and leading to hellfire.

[@mahjurah]

In reply, it must be said that if what is meant by “other than God” are idols, then one cannot find fault with this statement, but if “other than God” includes the prophets and awliya', then it would be contrary to the truth because these beloved ones are approved by God and are vicegerents of Allah {khulafa' Allah}. Idols are in contrast and contradiction with God while the prophets ('a) and saints are concordant with Him and are means of His grace. In the same manner, idols are a source of deviation from God while the prophets ('a) are means of guidance and righteousness. In sum, the comparison between tawassul to the prophets ('a) and tawassul to the idols is an asymmetrical and false analogy. The other point is that an idol is basically an object of worship and not a means of nearness to God {taqarrub}. There are two types of means of nearness to God: One is legitimate, referring to the prophets ('a) and the saints, and the other is illegitimate such as idols and the like which religion has made forbidden to man.

[@Fayoumi9]

What shia fail to understand that their mindset is shirk. In other words they are saying "Allah is not all hearing, so he needs Ali to tell Allah".

[@ademaulina7620]

Shia guy, repent.

[@killaoh7158]

At least he looks sweet with his earrings.😂

[@Nafis_-eh4bt]

13:08 "We call upon Allah!" "Why u call through Ali?" "Not always?".. 😂 , U should do shirk at all Islam is a part time job

[@dawahtube136]

Nafïs 1_1 *should not

[@mousawadbezri5116]

Shia don't worship Ali they honor Ali ,and that they should

[@Dilwaa]

Then what the difference between Christians & shia Christians worship calling up to their man god & Shia calling upon Ali peace be upon him they ignore Allah

[@7XjakelX7]

The Shia guy has earings and I think it's cute (sarcasm). This has become a theater of absurdity.

[@Marelyak]

Who is that guy dressed in all wite? I am not talking about brother Shamsi.

[@PictureThisNewMedia]

We must pray to Allah only, or else we would be doing the same thing as the Christian's putting Ali up to the same standards as the Christian's do to Jesus. Astagfurallah

[@rrssrr123]

Pray for me bro

[@syedabbas2199]

All these comments thinking that we as Shias are replacing Allah when the only ones coming up with that are yourselves. Alhumduilah we use the Prophet(pbuh) and his Ahlulbayt as a source of wasila as Allah had sent them to allow us to become closer to him, which some are clearly misinterpreting as Shias replacing Allah. It’s not our fault that your khalifas who threatened and angered the Prophets(pbuh) daughter aren’t worthy enough for you to use as a wasila because you can’t even explain how they became khalifahs in the first place. #ShiaAndProud

[@mahjurah]

Death according to the Wahhabis There are different viewpoints concerning death, and we shall deal with the viewpoint of the Wahhabis on the subject. Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyyah is reported to have said: Tawassul to the dead, even if he be the Prophet of Islam (s), is an act of polytheism because based on the statement of the Qur'an, he is dead and extinct: ﴿إِنَّكَ مَيِّتٌ وَإِنَّهُمْ مَيِّتُونَ.﴾ You will indeed die and they {too} will die indeed.735 He then continues: Entreating the dead and uttering words such as: “O my master, O the Messenger of Allah! Help me,” “O my master 'Ali ibn Abi Talib! Assist me,” and the like are acts of polytheism.836 It is indeed amazing that Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyyah and the Wahhabis could have no belief in the purgatorial life {hayat al-barzakh}, thinking that the dead cannot establish spiritual relations with others, while the Qur'an affirms that those who are in the barzakh are alive.9 How could the Wahhabis regard the martyrs {shuhada'} as dead while the Qur'an says, ﴿وَلاَ تَحْسَبَنَّ الَّذِينَ قُتِلُوا فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ أَمْوَاتًا بَلْ أَحْيَاءٌ عِنْدَ رَبِّهِمْ يُرْزَقُونَ.﴾ Do not suppose those who are slain in the way of Allah to be dead; rather they are living and provided for near their Lord.10

You treated the man in blue shirt with disrespect.

[@iramanhaider284]

Nabi said mankuntum moula fa hazza ALI un moula...🦁🦁🦁🌹🌹..game over shamsi🤦

[@amir123786]

Love Shamsi but he can’t say don’t touch me when 5:00 when nearly every single video he is the one touching another person. Due to his culture.

[@hamioudsohaib3878]

Hhhhh forgive his hotblooded attitude.. He doesn't mean to be mean or rude.

[@truthseeker4721]

How can Ali be better than the mighty messenger of Allah? born miraculously without any male intervention by the will of Allah, the messiah Isa ibn Maryam, One of the most mentioned prophets in the Quran, whereas Ali is not mentioned once. Shia is not based on the Quran.

[@BD-hm3fb]

I think he’s actually more mentioned than prophet Muhammad saw Not 100% sure

[@DubSalvation]

Asalamualaikum

[@arshadmohammed8459]

These Shias are brainwashed and don't even know the general foundation of Islam. All we can do is pray for them and ask Allah to guide them

[@mahjurah]

Tawassul as identical with servitude {‘ubudiyyah} Since tawassul to the prophets and the awliya' of God is like the angels' act of prostration (to Adam) with the permission and command of God, resorting to these beloved ones is identical with servitude {'ubudiyyah} and worship {'ibadah}. Among the Muslim sects, only the Wahhabis do not believe in tawassul and its devotional dimension. It must be noted that this sect is trying to make its incorrect and false ideas dominant. Of course, if we ever regard the Wahhabis' opposition to tawassul as incorrect, it is because there are authoritative traditions and hadiths that prove the incorrectness of this sect's belief. For example, after the demise of the Prophet (s) a certain Arab came to the grave of the Prophet (s) and threw himself on the holy shrine. While pouring the soil of the grave over his head, he said: “O Messenger of Allah! I heard from you the verse, “Had they, when they wronged themselves, come to you…” And now I have wronged myself and I have come here to ask you to plead for forgiveness for me.” At the end of the hadith, it is thus stated regarding this episode: “Then a voice from the grave was heard: 'You are forgiven!'”18 In another tradition, it has been narrated that there was once a famine in Medina. Bilal ibn Harith, one of the Companions, went to the grave of the Prophet (s) and said: “O Messenger of Allah! There has been no rain for quite sometime. Pray to God to shower the rain of His mercy upon us. During the night, Bilal saw the Prophet (s) in a dream, saying: “You shall soon benefit from the rain of the Lord.” It is not useless to note the fact that Muhammad ibn Idris ash-Shafi'i, one of the leading figures of the Ahl as-Sunnah, regards tawassul to the Ahl al-Bayt ('a) as permissible, thus saying: آلُ النَّبِيِّ ذَرِيعَتِي وَهُمُ إلَيْهِ وَسِيلَتِي The family of the Prophet is my shelter and they are means of my nearness to Him (God). Regarding Hadrat Fatimah az-Zahra ('a), the following tradition has been narrated: “أنَّ فَاطِمَةَ جَاءَتْ فَوَقَفَتْ عَلَى قَبْرِ رَسُولِ اللهِ فَأخَذَتْ قَبْضَةً مِنْ تُرَابِ القَبْرِ فَوَضَعَتْهَا عَلَى عَيْنَيْهَا فَبَكَتْ.” “Fatimah ('a) went to the grave of the Messenger of Allah (s); picked up some soil from the grave, put it on her eyes and cried.” It can be inferred from the above hadith that to seek the help of the Prophet, the infallible Imams and the pioneers of religion is not against the religion because a personage such as Fatimah az-Zahra ('a) used to go to the grave of her great father and seek this beloved's assistance. There is another hadith which is as follows: Because of the effect of famine and the lack of rain, a number of people went to the house of 'a'ishah (wife of the Prophet (s)), asking for her guidance. She said to them: “Make holes on the holy shrines of the Prophet (s) in such a way that the sky would become the watcher of the holy grave of the Prophet (s) so that it would shower rain in respect for the Prophet (s). When the people followed 'A'ishah's instruction, the rain came. Many traditions have been recorded in the book, At-Tabarruk,19 all of which show the tawassul of the Companions to the soil of grave of the Messenger of Allah (s) for cure and blessings {tabarruk}.

[@casa4life]

this guy gave the christians the green light to use jesus to justify his own shia belief loool

[@ahamedalthaf5824]

Shia useing a Lawyer.he he he..you must Only pray to Allah direct.you no need Lawyers.

[@Rakiz7]

Shamsi is being mean to the older guy in the middle 🌚😤

[@hamioudsohaib3878]

No he was just being cut and touched by the old uncle which is annoying in hitted debate

[@Rakiz7]

@@hamioudsohaib3878 fk shamsi anyway

[@hamioudsohaib3878]

@@Rakiz7 so u r speaking about manners while you don't have them!

[@huzar237]

Astugfirallah this guy believes a prophets companion is better than a prophet....unbelievable and disgraceful.

[@syedabbas2199]

huzar237 To us Shias he was more than a companion- he was the prophets rightful successor and an infallible being. As of this he holds a higher position than all the prophets except the last prophet

[@faisalmohammed3486]

TAUHEED

[@mousawadbezri5116]

is not the god of the holy trinity stop saying we worship the same god ,no we dont

[@theindexprofessor]

This brother is always in such a rush.. Calm down man.. talk slowly.. If people want they will listen to you.

[@ahlulbaytasdefender1684]

If u r sincere, check these verses :-) the concept of tavassul is clear in Qoran :-) stop lying :-) قَالُواْ يَا أَبَانَا اسْتَغْفِرْ لَنَا ذُنُوبَنَا إِنَّا كُنَّا خَاطِئِينَ قَالَ سَوْفَ أَسْتَغْفِرُ لَكُمْ رَبِّيَ إِنَّهُ هُوَ الْغَفُورُ الرَّحِيمُ وَإِذْ قُلْتُمْ يَا مُوسَى لَن نَّصْبِرَ عَلَىَ طَعَامٍ وَاحِدٍ فَادْعُ لَنَا رَبَّكَ يُخْرِجْ لَنَا مِمَّا تُنبِتُ الأَرْضُ وَلَوْ أَنَّهُمْ إِذ ظَّلَمُواْ أَنفُسَهُمْ جَآؤُوكَ فَاسْتَغْفَرُواْ اللّهَ وَاسْتَغْفَرَ لَهُمُ الرَّسُولُ لَوَجَدُواْ اللّهَ تَوَّابًا رَّحِيمًا وَإِذَا قِيلَ لَهُمْ تَعَالَوْا يَسْتَغْفِرْ لَكُمْ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ لَوَّوْا رُؤُوسَهُمْ وَرَأَيْتَهُمْ يَصُدُّونَ وَهُم مُّسْتَكْبِرُونَ فَاعْلَمْ أَنَّهُ لَا إِلَهَ إِلَّا اللَّهُ وَاسْتَغْفِرْ لِذَنبِكَ وَلِلْمُؤْمِنِينَ وَالْمُؤْمِنَاتِ وَاللَّهُ يَعْلَمُ مُتَقَلَّبَكُمْ وَمَثْوَاكُمْ وَيَسْتَغْفِرُونَ لِلَّذِينَ آمَنُوا رَبَّنَا وَسِعْتَ كُلَّ شَيْءٍ رَّحْمَةً وَعِلْمًا فَاغْفِرْ لِلَّذِينَ تَابُوا وَاتَّبَعُوا سَبِيلَكَ وَقِهِمْ عَذَابَ الْجَحِيمِ تَكَادُ السَّمَاوَاتُ يَتَفَطَّرْنَ مِن فَوْقِهِنَّ وَالْمَلَائِكَةُ يُسَبِّحُونَ بِحَمْدِ رَبِّهِمْ وَيَسْتَغْفِرُونَ لِمَن فِي الْأَرْضِ أَلَا إِنَّ اللَّهَ هُوَ الْغَفُورُ الرَّحِيمُ waaleykomossalaam :-)

[@FULAN]

Däniel the verses you quoted are instances of people asking someone that is ALIVE, In front of them, to make dua for them. Not upon a dead person in the grave. If I say to you “make dua for me” this is OK. If I go and say “ya fulan ibn fulan help me” and fulan ibn fulan is in the grave, then this is shirk.

[@ahlulbaytasdefender1684]

no one can wake up someone who is pretending he is asleep my brother :-) lakum dinukum valiyaddin :-)

[@FULAN]

Däniel there is no difference between what you claim and what the mushriks during the time of the Prophet ﷺ used to do. They call upon the righteous people from the dead and say “these are our shuafaa (intercessors) between us and Allah ﷻ”. At least they recognized their shirk and would fight against the message of tawheed that Muhammad ﷺ brought, while the mushriks of our time think they are upon tawheed.

[@ahlulbaytasdefender1684]

Dear brother, first u and you fellow friend(shamsi) were trying to convince where is the concept of praying through anbia... I proved this from Qoran to u. second, if u wanna know more, first u need to acceot this. Third, Imam zaman(aj) is alive :-) U dont know about ideology properly and enough akhi, first check our books then try to propagate against us :-) its really funny how u r making claims ABOUT SHIAS non stoply .... and btw, I can also prove it to u how tawassul is proven for dead people. not here, because it takes time and ofcourse I dont see sincere people to really care/listen what Im saying :-) thats why I just simply proved the ONCEPT OF WILAYAH in my first comment. that simply refutes SHAMSI fully :-) then when u realize he is wrong about whatever he is saying, u can start thinking differently aboutthe lies u have heard about shias :-) and tnx that u called me mushrik, masha'allah, thats your religion :-D but as u know, I follow ahlul bayt(as), so I cant be rude or anything similar to u :-) but I pray for everyone, u included to check the material by your own :-) its hard,but possible akhi :-)

[@FULAN]

Däniel I didn’t call you a mushrik. And I don’t know Shamsi. I’m not from the UK. I’m also not trying to propagate against other religions. I’m spreading the same message of tawhid that Muhammad ibn Abdullah ﷺ came with. There’s no need to quote from this book and from that sheikh, the Quran is enough. If there is a difference between your concept of calling upon the righteous people in the grave (Ali and Hassan and Hussein, etc) and the mushriks that would call upon the righteous people of their time, instead of directing and singling out Allah ﷻ for their worship and duas, as was the practice and message of Muhammad ﷺ, then please explain this difference to me.

[@Nova-ue6cl]

Part 2: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qH-vZIBon6yYrbM

[@mousawadbezri5116]

and burned the rest of the books and ayats according to sahih el boukhari

[@omarionshev798]

12:22 this man used to wear mask even before covid-19 was known to humans 😂😂 maybe he had it with him!! 🙆🙆

[@SB-ck7jv]

This guy is stubborn as hell, stop wasting your time with these fools brother Shamsi.

[@saleemraza4678]

O YOU FOOL SHIA IN QURAN ALLAH DID SAY HOW MANY RAQAT ALLAH SAID PRAY BEFORE SUN RISE DAY TIME AND SUNDOWN, HOW MANY RAQAT THAT WAS LEFT TO OUR PROPHET MUHAMMAD ( PBUH) WHO TOUGHT US HOW MANY RAQAT WE PRAY.

[@logicalreasoning1088]

It’s wrong I agree! But this guys he’s debating doesn’t know how to talk. Shia pray 5 times a day. They pray directly to god

[@mamadali5112]

Not shiaa name plzzzz thats will be better

[@deanstevens8609]

why did shamsi run from isa. and why was there a 20 sec break in sound. pure taqiya deception will not debate but to bully their sunni narrative over. debate one on one i mean. bigg upp isa.

[@007VitaminD]

Didnt this kid say that he doesnt talk to Shia's? Hahaha, nice taqiyya.

[@RISINGM00N]

No, he said not to talk to Isa the deluded one. And the concept of taqiyya is only applied to you, the Shias.

[@007VitaminD]

No, there are two types of taqiyya, the Shia one and the Sunni one. The Shia one is if you are being oppressed (like Shia's have throughout history), then you may make a statement in order to save your life. The Sunni one is if you want to propagate an agenda, you can white lie to push it forth.

[@attaria2002]

Sorry to say this, Im not a Shia, but Shamsi is being very dishonest. Christians are non believers coz they paray to Jesus and call him God, not coz they use Jesus as a waseela. where did that come from. Then Shamsi using examples of Pagans WORSHIPPING other than Allah and trying to prove a point against waseela. How does using a waseela mean you are worshipping the person whom you use as a waseela? This is just a desperate attempt to prove waseela as impermissible.

[@UMAIRRAJA90]

Auzubila. Rafizy saying Ali r h is better then Eisa Alehsalam.

[@harkeeratdate2015]

Shia*

[@logicalreasoning1088]

The comparison is not a good one. The Christians say Jesus is god! Shia feel that Ali has gods favor and feel like if he intercedes for them, god would be more receptive.

[@mousawadbezri5116]

outhman and abed el malik bin merwan were sahaba copied iasha koran

[@arkamneckxbruiz3r604]

you cannot see your own delusions

[@cobchabee7267]

shamsi has good point and correct monotheism only his manners stinks no rahma for those who know less then him and no wisdom and rude to that mature man next to him

[@Nova-ue6cl]

You claim that Shamsi's manners stinks but YOU are the one slandering him?!?!..... contradiction#. You better check yourself because you're giving him your good deeds by backbiting him!

[@Nova-ue6cl]

Lol... and the same to you

[@Nova-ue6cl]

well.. if you must know, I find your baseless insults laughable....But it's ok bro I forgive you

[@cobchabee7267]

Nova guess what brother? I be honest you won here I ask your forgiveness sincerely may Allah guide us all and give good ending

[@Nova-ue6cl]

It's not me who won brother, we are all winners as long as we are Muslim. Allah bless you for your beautiful du'a and accept it Ameen.