Why Pro Heihachi Players Prefer Double Electric Combo over Triple Electric Combo?

[@FortuneKOF]

*watches pro players do a different combo* *Labs and discovers the reason* *Declares he will use the optimized version* *Immediately applies it in replays* This is exactly why labbing, researching and applying is so important. It's exactly why there is always a reason to practice.

[@lesleyguevarra5374]

Plugging players: Nah

[@LucasHenrique-vu9yj]

@@lesleyguevarra5374 Plugging people*

[@lesleyguevarra5374]

@@LucasHenrique-vu9yj makes much more sense

[@LucasHenrique-vu9yj]

@@lesleyguevarra5374 Pluggers don't actually play the game, why would you even call them "players"?

[@lesleyguevarra5374]

@@LucasHenrique-vu9yj oh fuck you're right

[@Carlisho]

OBJECTION!!! “Triple electric not only looks cooler with higher style points, but you also send the opponent a message, which is more important than the win 😎”

[@mwkan772]

Haha yeah true

[@illiahryhorak5860]

Haha, always thought, that the more electrics - the better combos you get. Thanks for the update.

[@lumineanwari2126]

Yea , I don't think any other mishima really gets any benefit from doing triple electrics except for kazuya and even then it's not that massive of a difference in combo damage in comparison to a double electric , I would say it's more like a way of showing more execution rather than the damage it self or in other ways some may say it's the mishima brain

[@esqeleteT8]

@@lumineanwari2126 he gains like literally 1 more damage and loses wallcarry, plus is way harder than 2 ewgf and way harder than heis's 3 ewgf combo

[@Exslider2]

The double electric into hellsweep combo is actually really cool in my opinion and it also fits Heihachi very well considering how he uses hellsweep in the past games.

[@mwkan772]

exactly

[@Garyee__]

fun fact, when you do heat burst at the wall you can do jab into df3. It is the max damage wall combo if you do it this way. Only works if you heatburst.

[@thejoekage9499]

probably not after the high wall splat sneaking in the 1+2, but in every other instance with less hits yes

[@Garyee__]

@@thejoekage9499 no it will work after the high wall splat trust me

[@RyzingSol]

Double electric is more consistent. Plus, it carries to the wall from far away.

[@mwkan772]

so true

[@HELLRAISER02]

Ever since i saw a combo guide i always did stance hellsweep combo cuz it looked cool but it can be awkward to input, but ye fun to see dmg go up

[@FWCrash]

MainMan called me someone with no brain cells after telling him in chat that i use the hellsweep route after he mentioned "his" combo with the df1 being superior :)

[@Meminjo]

TMM is a narcissistic manchild with an overinflated ego, who doesn't think he needs to lab anything because he's been playing for 25 years. This is the reason he struggles so much in ranked, but he also has a really toxic mindset and abuses his chat on the daily. Why anyone puts up with his nonsense is beyond me.

[@RizalBoon]

Bet he gonna try refute this video as well 😂

[@mwkan772]

xD

[@ahmadbutt3112]

You mean the Complainmanswe?

[@DNC_Spartan]

His combo has 4 electrics , not 3.

[@zaimrana2746]

Actually you can quite consistently get cd44 3 after bound for the 3xelectric combo by doing a ssl after bound. It does more damage than the double electric staple and I mainly use that combo (still has inferior wall travel though).

[@Dirtgut]

if you just have wall awareness you can change which combo you do based on the distance.

[@mwkan772]

so true

[@tenkorochi]

You are probably my favorite Heihachi player to watch :)

[@Hachijo3GS]

For wall travel on 3x electrics, you do f3 then df1,2 just frame.. TMM already experimented the best results

[@mwkan772]

I see^^ Thanks for the info bro

[@nensho._]

This is how crazy the scaling is in this game lmaoo

[@mosesali2868]

Consistency = The true top tier It'll always be better to do 2 than 3 😎⚡️

[@NomoregoodnamesD8]

3 electric seems more consistent, or at least more intuitive. f+3,d WKG.DF4,4,1 having no buffer window while also being like a 20 frame hold input instead of a fast motion input just feels muddy.

[@FWCrash]

i disagree, but to each their own. I never drop it

[@sundragonbro2080]

3 electrics is not more consistent but w/e floats ur boat

[@Autoswitched]

triple electric combo ending the combo with b2 charged into dash cd4,3 will do 83 to 85 depending on if you hit the golden b2. This is the combo i was stapling which does 4 more damage without resources

[@KILLzone_565]

I was the same way. I always did triple electric, but after seeing the insane wall carry from the hell sweep route, I switched

[@Walied678]

You can do cd4,4,3 if you SSL on triple electric, works on every character

[@El-Burrito]

Good stuff! Gonna start using this too now.

[@joshhawickhorst4114]

Wow, I remember fighting you back when you were red ranks man… now I’m stealing your heihachi tech lmao. That’s inspiring

[@smugaladdin8372]

After bound in the 3 ewgf combo you can ssl when you reach the opponent and cd443 will connect. This is also possible if you do ch b4, charge b2, electric etc, but the side step timing is very tight.

[@Dan-bf1li]

But 1 thing about the 3 electric combo that it still has the highest damage on infinite stage if I'm not wrong. From the 3 electric, after the tornado. You can use UF3,4 into QCF2, leads to 86dmg. For the 2 electric, you can only use b2 into qcf2, the blue spark is 83dmg and the gold is 85dmg. Unless maybe someone can microdash after the UF3,4 to do a QCF 2 or uppercut.

[@ZANGA_]

U can land cd 4,4,3 after the bound for triple electric so it’s it’s still better for wall carry and dmg u just got to micro step to the left to land it

[@SGHNTZ]

The thing is the 3x EWGF combo is more consistent from off axis. Atleast that's how I feel.

[@meeep873]

For the stage that has far wall go for ss2 into thunder stance 1 for the ender it does more damage

[@GozieZilla]

3 electric combo does more than 77 damage lol, you're ending it wrong. Hellsweep is not the optimal combo ender

[@digaum1657]

dude didn't discover D3, 2 yet is seems. I usually finish with b2, heatburst, b2 again and d3,1. is not even optimal and I get 90+ damage lol

[@masteryaj6771]

It’s not about dmg, it’s about sending a message

[@anirbano]

2:16 Over here with nowhere to go lmao

[@johnysimps1191]

If you end triple electric with SS2f1 it will deal 83 dmg i believe. Don't know about wall travel but it's more dmg. Might be better in infinite stages over 2 electrics

[@bobmihothe3rd]

Beginner here. I use that combo too but i drop the combo while trying to hellsweep for some reason

[@OrionTekken]

With the triple electric you can do uf34 into qcf2 though

[@NOXsaiv]

The hellsweep cant be the go to combo, since once you do the hellsweep you cant control the distance of the combo, if the wall is close you're just screwed, you need to decide if you should commit to hellsweep or just stance into 1 depending on where you are, now this is optimal

[@SGHNTZ]

I disagree, you can control the combo pretty easily, if you do 2x EWGF into F3~D, you don't necessarily have to go for CD4,4,1, if you think you are too close to the wall to do CD4,4,1, you can always go for stuff like F3~D stance 2 bound into anything you want, or stance 1 into another F3~D into stance 2 or stance 1 again if you think stance 1 will wall splat so you can get like a FF2 on the wall. The quicker you can get the bound in a combo if you want, the more freedom you get, imo.

[@nhanle9218]

Personally i like 3 electrics with ss 2,1 ender for max dmg... 2 electrics into hellsweep drops a lot.. people just tech roll and if it lags 100% youll drop it. Sorry im taking guaranteed max dmg with triple eletrics

[@krullexneo]

This video caused me to head back to the lab and I just figured this out, give it a try! Do 3x ewgf and after the bound run up close, do a charged b2 and then a fast dash into hellsweep and it should connect. It's 83 damage (85 with gold spark) and the same if not more wall carry as the 2x ewgf combo :D

[@589amf]

Now try one electric and no electric combo. You might be surprised again

[@lesleyguevarra5374]

I think it has to do with the filler, the F3D extensions give it way more dmg and wall travel, that might be no shit for people but just wanted to point out to those who are picking Heihachi up

[@edsoad]

If you have heat and a decent wall splat why dont you do 1, b1,1+2>d3,1+2?

[@hedelynsepada5837]

the paul one is insane

[@縣]

Just a quick thing about the title, you should remove the last question mark as the title is a statement and not a question.

[@digaum1657]

wtf. It's clearly a question. A question that the video answers...

[@縣]

@@digaum1657 No, the title is a statement not a question or an answer. Its worded as (This is) Why Pro Heihachi Players Prefer Double Electric Combo over Triple Electric Combo. If it was a question it would be Why *do* Why Pro Heihachi Players Prefer Double Electric Combo over Triple Electric Combo. If you dont have the "do" then its a statement and not a question.

[@finalfilms28]

Actually, triple electric is still max damage if you replace the df1 with f3,stance1. Wall carry without a doubt goes to the hellsweep combo however.

[@krullexneo]

It works out the same damage as df1 in the end as it's only 1 damage difference but the scaling makes it equal by the end of your combo. df1 is far more consistent for smaller hurtbox characters. I've had f3, 1 whiff so many times and noticed most higher ranked players user df1 and after testing. It's the same damage at the end of your combo. Also SSL before you hellsweep and you can do 2 lows into the high instead of 1

[@finalfilms28]

@@krullexneo oh, interesting. To be fair, I only labbed damage up to the bound. Plus, triple electric is 1 less hit I believe, so I always assumed there was more room for optimization. Works out anyway as I have a lot of muscle memory for the hellsweep route, and I dropped triple electric route sometimes anyways, which i mitigated through a deep dash 3rd electric (which almost makes the route universal across the cast but is SO much harder on heihachi than kazuya). Appreciate the response.

[@krullexneo]

@@finalfilms28 Yeah even though Hei has a pewgf like Kaz his ewgf hits higher up it seems, Kaz's hits far lower down making more electrics easier :D I've just done some testing and it would seem doing the hellsweep route is indeed better as it's only 1 damage less (if you do double hellsweep ender after 3 electrics) and it is better wall carry and keeps you closer to the opponent

[@Mokidekey]

the tripple electric combo can do 80 damage if you SSR into double sweep 3

[@SGHNTZ]

But CD4,4,3 recovers pretty slowly and sends the opponent pretty far away, you might not get the clean wall splat and then you can't even do like a quick FF2 low splat wall combo, B1,4 combo ender is just better, it recovers quickly and sends them high, not to mention from the 2x EWGF combo you can do UF3,4, and a lot of the times you get a clean high wall splat into a free QCF2 follow up before you do the wall ender. 2x EWGF might be less dmg but it gives better results imo, the only thing is I think the 3x EWGF is a bit more consistent from off axis, but idk.

[@Mokidekey]

@@SGHNTZ I am well aware. I've made the switch a while ago as well. Just wanted to point out this one very specific thing

[@bestnoob4662]

Ngl I knew the 2 electrics into hellsweap combo was better but I still did the triple electric combo because it's way easier.

[@MaNickgga]

When I'm on the left I'm a god, but when I'm on the right I'm dead. Gotta learn to play Mishima's on the right side

[@drhighpinger7934]

Me too , completely changed my combo

[@crucible1084]

i never really understood why everyone thought to make all these complicated electric focused combos as his staple i saw this combo on a preview mirror match and knew for a fact that it would be his best staple. i thought that, even if it did slightly less dmg, its not like im against pro players. easier staple = way more consistency, less thoughts on comboing, and less worry on dropping combos. = i get more focus on more important fundamentals i aint jimmyjtran who never drops these 300 IQ combo video type combos, so maybe i can play better with a simpler combo 1:47 also this combo dmg isnt legal bro, this is some tekken 7 lvl dmg lmao

[@digaum1657]

sorry, I go for style and not damage or wall carry. And you didn't try to do the 90+ damage route with heatburt so i'll just keep doing my triple eletric bc it's cool as fuck

[@novanation5870]

Me stapling 4 electric on larger characters

[@castorcrossfit6721]

Bro at the end of the combo instead of doing the hellsweep do sidestep 2 into raijin and then 1, you get 7 more damage

[@Krando_]

Still have yet to see a heihachi do my electric combo, its more dmg than both dunno about wall carry tho.

[@PUNCHEDPUNCHEDPUNCHED]

Not a Hei player, only sub, but I prefer it because it has more sauce lmao

[@terrariaguy114]

i do sidestep 2-stance-1 as an ender if i cant hit wall

[@Alsry1]

Have you tried the ewgf dewgf pewgf cd441 combo?

[@mwkan772]

that's kinda hard...there are chances for it to drop

[@sucinistro]

Cool stuff

[@DerHalbeEuro]

Don't worry, they will nerf his damage output anyway 🤭

[@DNC_Spartan]

4 electrics is the way

[@runayswarts970]

You end triple electric combo badly

[@Fariorn]

Good Video! Insane Execution!

[@mwkan772]

Glad you liked it^^

[@TheLaxed]

Pro players? hell i was doing double electric into hell sweeps because it did the same amount of damage, and it just felt more natural to me.

[@mehmetjj9163]

Can someone help me out? Whenever i did the 2 electric hellsweep combo the hellsweep whiffs 50% of the time even though i tried timing the cd and 4 input together or tried mashing. It just isn't consistent because I'm stupid did anyone experience the same issue?

[@mwkan772]

press df after going into stance as he does crouch dash..immediately input hell sweep

[@mehmetjj9163]

So like 2*electrics f3 d, df, and then f n d df 4 4 and so on? Or i do i do df and then immediately 4

[@krullexneo]

SSL before the hellsweep :)

[@stealthexecutor563]

Still less wallcarry.

[@krullexneo]

@@stealthexecutor563 It's 80 damage and same wallcarry. Though it does leave you further away from them. EDIT: After further testing, it is less wall carry. I had the angle off. Seems like the triple ewgf combo starts to veer off to the left while the other keeps them more centre so it helps with taking them closer to the wall EDIT EDIT: After more further testing, I discovered you can do triple ewgf and instead of doing SSL into double low hellsweep, you can actually do back 2 charged then into a quick dash up single hellsweep for 83 damage, same wall carry as the double ewgf but 4 more damage and looks cool lol EDITEDITEDIT: It's 85 damage if you get the gold spark charge

[@Zendgar]

can u play reina please?

[@mwkan772]

I will try but rn i'm very busy in studies :(

[@Cat_in_The-Box]

Good info

[@mwkan772]

Glad it was helpful^^

[@RuTo94]

Heihachi wall carry is disgusting lol 😂

[@certainperson]

I prefer just uppercut cuz I can't do an electric

[@Pavian651]

If you have no wall triple electric goes up to 85 damage your follow up is just wrong in that case...

[@Pavian651]

Double is just better for wall carrys and damage on Walls then

[@digaum1657]

I can do more then 90 damage if you end with d3,1 after a hold b2. fuck wall carry if I can get 90+ damage and good oki

[@justhit6673]

@@digaum1657why take 90+ when the wall gives 100+

[@digaum1657]

@@justhit6673 bc it's cooler, I get good oki and if i'm close enough I'll still get the wall combo

[@mazenyasser7208]

I've known this since day 1 of Heihachi 😅

[@siggy-san]

Thanks for indirectly calling me a pro player 🥲 I always preferred this combo route

[@mwkan772]

haha I respect every player..whether that player is pro or not

[@siggy-san]

@@mwkan772 I expected nothing less from the pro 😊👍