My $300 Mistake

When life gives you lemons, you make lemonade, or in this case liquid KZbin videos. Hopefully you can learn from my mistakes, and vet your potential purchases better. I did get a full refund, and she re-sold the fish at a much more appropriate price.
I bought the new and improved fish from here! www.cichlaholic.com/

[@kristiemowry3267]

Kinda late viewing this, but couldn't believe how many viewers gave it a thumbs down. The Tropheus I have seen are, like a lot of fish, nicer looking though not always as colorful when young. Fighting takes a toll on them. Maybe they were overpriced. Our local store sells 1/2 inch fish for $30 dollars. So maybe they weren't. Also, when large only the dominant male is going to really color nicely. I agree with those that said this lady was very generous in making it up to you. She is to be applauded for her understanding of possibly your very high expectations.

[@AD-fd9vz]

I like how you inform people about the situation and what you would have done instead of, like so many people on the internet would do, "bash" on the seller and complain. It actually help people see what they need to look for if they want to buy "used" fish.

[@aranthifernando6944]

Man I hear your pain. But.... If I buy a fish (with or without proper images or knowledge about their health) I will keep em. I will treat em soo good that they will in return loook sexy as fuck! It works no matter how bad the fish are. If I bring em home. They are here to stay. Kinda sad you are giving up on them cuz they are not up to your quality standards.

[@aliaswrong9004]

I feel bad for the fishes

[@cali2558]

Sorry to hear about your experience. Looks like there are a few that look ok. The new fish are stunners.

[@MyAquaticDiary]

im glad these guys found a good owner in you. they will be happy on that premium food!

[@Songbird1977jk]

He said he's sending them back. Sad for the fish.

[@Thaleya1]

I would just make her return a bit of the money because the fish werent' up to quality. The fish would heal as much as they can and color up, and fatten up over time and with good care. I would just see it as good I could save those fishes atleast. But yeah we all want different things, I think you were to hard on the fish though.

[@youngmoney5409]

Great Tank! Those fish are nice, Iove the black and blue colors..

[@mattniven6380]

Always walk away and don't buy if unsure. We learn from our mistakes. Tank looking good, all the best.

[@AquaticLogic]

Thanks Matt

[@christinebernhard8977]

you should have kept them they were nice fish you could have bring them back to health the ugly cichlid given to me and I never gave it back I nursed it now I got a beautiful one in my fish tank I'm glad I never gave it back

[@AquaticLogic]

I cannot medicate poor genetics. She took them back and re-sold them at a more appropriate price.

[@brunocauin]

It is your responsibility to check what you are buying BEFORE you pay for it. You are lucky she accepted the return. I wouldn't...

[@meetmeonthe50]

Bruno Oliveira great customer service Bruno 🙄 what is the name of your stellar company again?

[@a2thek914]

It is sellers responsibility to check for quality BEFORE shipping them. She is lucky that he accepted to settle this with a return. I wouldn't...

[@lisacoggins4541]

@@a2thek914 he picked them up,they weren't shipped

[@dmichaelsfishden]

Sorry to hear, man - bummer. Especially after 3 hours total drive time. Sometimes this happens in the hobby.....I've bought off 2, 3 year old pictures in the past as well. Now I do thoroughly vet anyone I buy from, and now only reputable companies with proven track records. Great channel, great vids! Subbed and looking forward to following you! 👍

[@AquaticLogic]

Thanks dude I appreciate the positive feedback ;-)

[@Moon_samurai128]

unless you are specifically trying to breed these fish and sell them to people who are going to judge them for their appearance and make a purchase accordingly, why not keep the fish and just nurse them back to health? even the healthy fish of this species aren't really all that pretty. but what does it matter? I have six little corydoras and they are not the prettiest fish but they have lovely personalities and I enjoy watching them socialize with each other

[@roxyqueen5076]

I wish you could post an update on your fish..I notice that this is 2016..I am very interested to know how they are doing now.

[@deltahotelxray]

Can you link the website that you bought these from? I search and came up with several different sites.

[@SageWolfStudio]

Ooh pretty fish! I especially like the neon blue ones!

[@AquaticLogic]

Those are Pseudotropheus demasoni. I agree they are scintillating.

[@mariemeneses2117]

Hope the fish are all well too, within the year.

[@bsbearden]

thanks for posting this, great advice.

[@mantvydas3493]

What wave maker are you using?

[@triiiton9198]

im canadian as well. Where'd you order he fish from?

[@dominiquelee7198]

What type of rocks are those ?

[@davisraelify]

could you make a video on how to quarantine new fish?

[@bruhverlybruh4012]

At least you rescued some fishies in a rough spot.

[@KingEli904]

What are the specs of your tank

[@kenjiro2676]

You rescued fish, where did they end up going?

[@billiamsr71]

the problem is the algae in the tank they had was not running a good mixture of beta 5.

[@hpae-mail7799]

Hardly what I would call a "tragedy". 150 gallons of live coral and reef fish and a power outage is a tragedy.

[@arekkusushaw9491]

Try an earthquake. Lost my 600 litre tank to one. Insurance refused to pay.

[@LizardMan-ek8ej]

arekkusu shaw that sucks

[@flanker0761]

Why I’ll never have a reef tank. Most expensive I would go is discus

[@hometownhoney3505]

Jesus, he's making a video. He used a word. I'm sure he's not being literal.. So take a chill pill..

[@Kenny-bj2zq]

Man I feel your pain which is why i am going back to Fresh Water loved Salt Water but can't afford a back up generator and to many damn outages due to it being HOT AS HELL.

[@GoolamDawood]

How are they doing now?

[@tundrafellarrow5738]

Um, I can't seem to get any audio

[@pptkpengadaanobatobatanrsu4288]

is it salt water tank?

[@rickyspanish5691]

They pulled the old quick hood hand off. Straight up slapped your head sorry about that though. Always check the bag and say hell no to schwag. Yea if anyone ever has this happen and you show up and everythings ready to go and you can't check it leave.

[@theanswer69786]

what kinda fish are those

[@Monica-qb1gz]

Thanks for posting this. Great video.

[@AquaticLogic]

+Monica O_O Thanks Monica ;-)

[@waelomanvlogs6792]

What a bummer man :( , But you are a great fish keeper ! They will get better.

[@AquaticLogic]

Thanks for the comment. I had to get a refund for those fish and I kept the ones in the latter part of the video.

[@gcurran1212]

GLAD YOU ARE QT'ING THEM....DID YOU NOTICE THE SCRAPING ON THE SAND IN THE NEW LITTLE ONES? THE SHIMMYING? HOPE THEY MADE IT. UPDATE?

[@ram07ish]

Where'd you get those nice rocks from? Looks super nice!

[@AquaticLogic]

Watch my video called "140G Aquascape" I go over everything in that one.

[@CoreyHecker]

That sucks, but like you said, at least she didn't completely screw you. Subbed you up.

[@AquaticLogic]

Thanks Corey, this tank is is already yielding some nice surprises. Look for it in the next video!

[@37712]

the fish look exactly the same wtf are u talking about different color

[@shanellebounds4204]

37712 well he didn't say different colors. He said the fish were getting their color.😊 I think he's talking more about the stripe on the fish. Cuz the second batch look more vibrant. At least the Orange stripe ok them. Have a good day!!!!!!

[@onlinepartspro7512]

I really enjoyed the video. You seem like a smart guy and i can tell you care about fish too. It's understandable in the end why you returned the fish. It really doesn't relate the same to adopting a dog or something. A fish tank is a piece of living art. If you pay for quality fish that's what you should get. You have a great tank and the new fish are looking great too. Thanks for the video.

[@liamdahvis3153]

I've had problems like this before. Purchased some Texas Cichlids, was told they wouldn't get very big. ( They are now the size of a baseball and still not fully matured.) I don't even have a tank big enough for them.

[@MakoyUnggoy]

I know this is an old video but for some reason it's just popped up on my youtube. I'm just going to have a look on your channel now to see what else is on there, and yeah, watching a video of the potential fish you want to buy is the way if you can't be there in person to take a look yourself

[@sito64]

Am glad everything worked out

[@AquaticLogic]

Thanks Ronney, i'm loving the Tropheus (the replacement fish) they are awesome :-)

[@zookeeper3502]

Hey I have a question tell me if this is to many fish for a 20 gallon 5 guppies,2 bristle nose plecos, 7 neon tetras and 2 dwarf gouramis? Also my filter gets 130 gallons of water through it every hour.

[@AquaticLogic]

What type of filter is it? How often do you water changes? What does your NH3, NO2-, NO3-, look like just before a water change?

[@felixthepoopcat8219]

Ants America Is it a 20 long or high? If it's a high I would get rid of both of the plecos. If it's a long I would still find another home for one of the bristle noses. They have pretty large bio loads, even one in a 20 gal is pushing it a bit to some people, much less two. Also what gender are the gouramis? Not two males, right? If you have a male still be careful as guppies can be fin nippers and there are lots of stories of gouramis killing fancy guppies.

[@zookeeper3502]

I changed my mind so I just got 2 black fin tetras to start with also it is 20 long. So I am going to have in total 5 black skirt tetras,4 guppies, and 2 cory cats Also I like the look of zebra danios so I would get 3 of those that is all also I will do a 25% water change every 1 week or every other week .

[@darinvaughan2268]

Another item I ordered was a meerchaum calabash pipe. No stem. No hardware to secure the stem to the bowl.

[@rondj1965]

Did you get any money back?

[@albaniansk8er]

Are those Demasoni in there?

[@vapelounge6110]

are the small light blue ones demansoni?

[@AquaticLogic]

You bet they are! (Pseudotropheus demasoni)

[@terrancejackson3]

What lighting are you using?

[@AquaticLogic]

Two 36" BeamsWork LEDs

[@jerryjunoirmint]

nice tank did you build It ? How many gallons ?

[@AquaticLogic]

Thanks. I build the stand but the tank was manufactured.

[@matthewwestbury4528]

I like when I hear somebody in this hobby who actully knows wtf there talking about . This guy knows what he's doing

[@AquaticLogic]

Thanks Matthew. I have spent 4 years studying biology in University and I am trying my best to apply it to my channel, but the cool thing is there is always more to learn.

[@lolilikeReptiles]

dude, those rocks are sick. where'd you get them from?

[@AquaticLogic]

www.thunderstonequarry.com/product/

[@ghuyyadalhaig8869]

Don’t blame you bro

[@myname3074]

Man I really hope everything goes well for ya. I really enjoy the cichlid world. I like the demasni if that's how you spell it. I used to keep bracadis with demasi I really love the tail on the bracadi

[@j_toledo419]

Ok I get that you were unsatisfied, 100% feel ya but.... Give en 2-3 weeks and they will be exactly what you wanted. I'd do that as opposed to transporting them yet again especially since you made the decision brother.

[@jessewarren3323]

you keep saying woman but are these bot the ones you ordered by air from spencer in the video before this one?

[@AquaticLogic]

The Spencer Jack aFISHionados order was the solution to the above fish problem.

[@DarkAngels2890]

I subbed 😊 I don't know what it is, but I've started having this love for watching and learning about fish, and yours are absolutely beautiful! It blows about the bad bunch though. 😕

[@AquaticLogic]

If life throws you lemons, you gotta make lemonade (liquid KZbin Videos).

[@michaelteale2683]

great tank?

[@nyloaf]

I know you got screwed out of your money, but a part of me wishes that you would have taken them anyway and nurtured them back to health because honestly, that woman could NOT do it on her own if they had gotten to that condition on her watch. (Btw i had to check twice that i spelled nurtured right because it looks rly fuckin weird when you think about it too much)

[@theanswer69786]

its sad cause it looked like the fish wouldve loved it in your possession instead

[@aaqilian5.085]

all that space and all you have is a couple rocks and a bunch of cichlids? that's criminal. If i had that much space, I'd create such an awesome aquascape, utilizing all the space

[@tamonettX500]

Sorry about the purchase :( Wouldn't they eventually heal and fatten up and look beautiful again? Also, no matter how thick glass is, tempered, etc, I just can't understand how so much heavy rock doesn't break the bottom lol Great tank!

[@AquaticLogic]

I suspected that these fish had poor genetics, and the phenotype with the orange band was not going to manifest even if the fish were healthy. As for the rocks, I do double styrofoam. I support the bottom of the tank with it, and I also add some inside the tank on the bottom. It spreads out the load on the glass, and prevents any form of deflective load, which makes it safe. The sand also buffers out the dynamic load if I accidentally drop one.

[@batman2sexy]

tamonettX500 they would look very good in time .glass dont hold weight of rocks its the stand bear all the weight

[@SuperTilemaker]

tamonettX500 you can check out my Channel and see the rocks I put in my tank

[@miguelsantiago750]

this kinda shit happens alot in the city, this same exact tactic is used by fish sellers on ppl , id of burnt their house down over this

[@RobsRobotChannel]

tamonettX500 glass (or silica) is extremely hard... why are you surprised again? Glass is extremely hard but is also brittle... are you picturing him "dropping" the rocks in? glass does not handle impact well, but is extremely strong. how stupid can someone be?

[@keithadkins1834]

What kind of rocks are those? Very nice.

[@AquaticLogic]

Check out my channel. I have vids on everything including the rocks ;-)

[@blufish11]

Great video. Did she take back all fish and return all $$?

[@AquaticLogic]

Thanks Frosty. Yeah she took everything back and refunded my money. I then purchased the beauties I have now from aFISHionados in Winnipeg. It was a royal pain in my ass, but lesson learned, and no long-term damage caused.

[@stefanschuster8971]

Which breeder do you use in Canada bud

[@AquaticLogic]

aFISHionados in Winnipeg

[@Scotts_Totts]

I started my first fish tank seven months ago and I have 3 tanks now one 90 gallon (Africian Cichlids) 40 gallon tank (angelfish, neon tetras, black longfin tetras and albino Cory Cats) 20 gallon Tetras and Cory cats

[@ZomBeeNature]

something about the fish at around 5:30 waggling back and forth made me uneasy, like they had a disease I have seen fish die from by wasting away...

[@TheEmeraldNight]

Zom Bee I thought more off the too inbreed and low immunity.

[@kelvinmcdonald7809]

what type of fish are they

[@AquaticLogic]

Tropheus sp. bemba orange OR Tropheus moorii (bemba) it depends which scientist you ask.

[@GreenEyes-rg4yr]

As an animal rescuer, my passion , my life, is saving them from ignorant and selfish humans. So sad to hear another tale of abuse....

[@zombiehunter1108]

Susie Spohn I understand, fish are like any other animal, I have a community fish tank, and even I know not to put them all in one tank together...

[@nadnerb_sr20]

Susie Spohn Boi

[@thehobbit4162]

AND HE GAVE THEM BACKKK

[@MIXMASTERBJB1]

Are you sure you didn't stress these fish with improper acclamation

[@twistedvisuals669]

I like your sophisticated word choice and definitely not boring unlike "Pro DJ dumbass. Nice tank bro and i'm glad your tank is better by now!

[@mikespence7250]

put some different lighting in to accent their colors. Driftwood would help your tank pop a bit too.

[@2derekjeter2]

buying fish can be tricky ....never buy in the dark or let your excited state of mind blind you from seeing them properly.Ive made the same mistake

[@RSP190166]

I ordered a fonosa and got sent a convict cichlid. I got my money back and kept the convict. Hope all went well for you...

[@AquaticLogic]

Lol who did you order that from?

[@RSP190166]

LOL, Ebay seller...But lesson learned.

[@FlowingDepths]

+Ricky Peacher Nice catch. A lot of beginners would've missed the difference, I'm glad you were able to tell and got your money back. Sad how careful one must be in their dealings with their fellow humans D:

[@RSP190166]

Lol

[@murphyslaw1832]

same thing happen to me when I ordered a frontosa cichlid.

[@dylanhodges8428]

damn. some nice fish you got there!

[@salvolondon]

So did you give the fish back to the lady ?

[@AquaticLogic]

Yeah I gave them back, and got all my money back and am living happily ever after with the fish in the latter part of the video.

[@hamsack981]

dude you work for that money do t be afraid to check stuff out and make sure it's what you want. if a seller for anything is gonna rush your decision it's prolly a bad idea.

[@AquaticLogic]

Right now the wife works for that money (i'm a full-time student) but point taken. I was trusting her way too much.

[@hamsack981]

im in nthe same boat! full time student!

[@Melleefrase]

From your video they don't look any different. I checked twice but I can't see any difference. If a fish has an eye problem maybe that's not so good but it seems to be swimming well. If your water quality is so good and you are feeding them good then a visually impaired fish shouldn't be such a big deal.

[@joeculler2943]

Tropheus are a very very difficult fish to care for. there will always be a couple fish in a group that are beat up. the aggressive males chase and harass all the other fish in the group. I kept them for years and that group doesn't look that bad

[@FounderOfAiTheNewOrder]

nice tank bro

[@joseconsuegra5962]

Good morning brother, did you collect the rocks your self?

[@AquaticLogic]

I have a landscaping company near me that sells this "Rundle Rock" in huge 300lb-10,000lb boulders. I took home a 300lb rock and smashed it up with my sledgehammer and threw the chunks in my tank. Its actually a limestone, so it will keep the pH, GH, KH up to Rift Lake specs (but my water is pretty much saturated liquid rock off of the mountains in which this rock comes from).

[@joseconsuegra5962]

Thanks

[@necroeasy593]

You have to be happy if your not happy it becomes a nightmare. Your new fish look nice an round. Sometimes thinks go wrong it how you respond that matters, good luck.

[@TheSweetmari1]

Are you going to give the fishes back ? I hope not. You are a blessing to those fishes.

[@sribabu1080]

WHAT VARITIES OF FISH ARE THEY VERY BEAUTIFUL

[@AquaticLogic]

Tropheus sp Bemba Orange

[@ultimatefishkeeping]

I just subscribed to your channel. Thank you for sharing this video.

[@lnhislmage]

That was a lot of big fish for $300 what did you have to pay for the small ones?

[@tincupco]

You should dedicate your tank to either Tanganyika or Malawi lake species. I kept Malawi cichlids for over 25 years because I found the species from Lake Malawi much more colorful, easy to keep (they are very hardy), they are generally less expensive than Tanganyikans and they come in all different shapes.Malawi cichlids also have great personalities.

[@freemansaquatics5326]

she agreed because she knew she did a S##### thing im sorry man second batch looks way better and healthy

[@AquaticLogic]

Yeah, she also had a high position in my local aquarium club and if she didnt want to do a return it would have adversely affected her life.

[@hogleg8103]

That's kind of bitchy to say.. esp for a man lol

[@NiklasForsman1]

Wow. I don't know anything about fish, but 300dollars seams like a lot of money for fish. Is it common or fish to be that expensive?

[@rychew1280]

I would have asked for my money back too. I may have kept a few of the better quality fish but who is to say. I would have been rather ticked because a sick fish can contaminate the hole tank. I would always have a quarantine tank before introducing them to a community. I would say you made the right call.

[@ttp519]

Happy fish

[@Josh-iv7ki]

When I can afford I want to get a 55-80 gallon whatever is the best deal tank of schooling fish I'm thinking maybe silver dollars or things like that. Super excited almost there to afford a good deal I found.

[@tkstv9710]

Hey been looking at some videos on aquatics, been wanting to get into the hobby, never owned fish and am still considering the matter. Any way you could explain where i should start? Also sorry bout that, must've sucked big time

[@tkstv9710]

I think beta fish are very beautiful and would like to get one, but not sure if that's the best way to go straight away.

[@AquaticLogic]

My first fish was a Betta, I got to take it home after we did (ethical) experiments on them in my into bio class at university. I think it’s a great place to start, and as far as laying out a road map it would require me to type out A LOT of info for you. My best advice is to check out a local mom and pop fish store with intelligent and caring people working there. The big box fish stores suffer from turnaround and hiring… Uh… People with low IQ’s? There are some awesome KZbin videos that go through “how to setup your first tank”, and I suggest starting there. Just get the Betta an actual aquarium, with an actual filter so it does not suffer a long time and die. It like any aquatic organism needs no Ammonia or Nitrites in the water. Also, get a filter WITHOUT disposable cartriges! Aquaclear, Fluval C-series, Seachem Tidal, sponge filter, something like that. HTH

[@tkstv9710]

Thank you for the reply and advice, i will be sure to look into it and make sure I know what I'm doing before getting a Betta fish, but one more thing, is it true they're very aggressive because I have heard they are from some people and aren't from others?

[@AquaticLogic]

They show really strong aggression male-male (conspecific). If a female Betta, or any other fish from a different species is in there they wont care. If you add a male and female its pretty neat because of their unique breeding behavior.

[@frickbot]

And I was annoyed when the 175 dollar canister filter I bought for 60 dollars wasn't up to par... I kept it though and am just replacing the tubing and all the intake/output pieces on a "3 month old pump"

[@AquaticLogic]

Sorry to hear that man, but at least you know now how long its gonna go before another preventative maintenance interval.

[@shecomments6106]

But how long did you quarantine them? Why expose your existing fish to these ones?

[@AquaticLogic]

That whole tank was a new setup, so I was going to treat all fish in the tank at the same time, because they were added days apart.

[@shecomments6106]

I was wondering given they are from two different populations and the second batch are so raggedy. Good luck with your tank, love the aquaspace!

[@torontoraptors2107]

hey man! i just subd. im from canada toronto, where can i buy these guys? does big als have them? thanks man! beautiful fishes-

[@AquaticLogic]

Dude you need to check out Spencer Jack! Look for the unboxing video I did, you can see the whole process.

[@harveyhudspeth6824]

I was took on fish that looked the same , I'm not an aquarium guy but I had did a small remodel job for a guy that was a breeder and he gives me a 55 gal set up with about 15 of those , I went to local fish shop and asked them if they would be interested ? They new the breeder , and I only wanted credit to put more colorful cichlids in my tank , they looked fish up told me they could only sell for $7-$10 ea so they offered me $5 ea , I not knowing , sold them the fish , all about the size of yours , out of curiosity checked back 3 days later and they had sold half , had large sign up " special ,very rare , cherry spot trophious Mori $39.99" I had an argument that did no good , and never set foot in that business again , (fish man pet center )Springfield Illinois

[@CeaselessSlinky]

what kind of dog are these ?

[@juliannatale6743]

I think they are Huskies, or poodles?

[@jasongalasso8220]

hey I just subbed to u. that sucks about the fish hope everything went well for u. so I just got 6 African cichlids and I've been doing some research on them for a long time. is there anything else about them that I might not knoe

[@AquaticLogic]

What species of Cichlids did you get?

[@petergriffin818]

Wow.. The seller is a much better person then me. After she drained her tank you expected her to hold them in what a bucket? So you pretty much killed the whole batch.

[@JcapGT]

Hey man those are cichlids... Give it two years and all of yours will start to look banged up as this is survival of the fittest. Go to and aquarium or zoo and check out the hippos/African penguins/fish from Africa and their cichlids have a more massive tank and much more room per capita. They are not a schooling fish at all and do not need to be with that many at close quarters. The only way to avoid your next problem as they are still small fish is create as many hiding places as possible and increase that live plant growth by fertilizing them with the fish waste/detritus material. It will just be war all the time. Changing rock placement frequently will make them change territories as well and can be beneficial. Get ready for natural selection in this fish tank, but get more rock/driftwood! I have made every mistake having tanks over the last 10 years and can give honest advice if you need. You’re doing great with the diet of them and I can tell that you honestly care about the fish with the passion I did when I first started out! Good luck & Hope this helps!