My Amazing THAI WIFE & Her BIPOLAR THAI Village Family 🇹🇭

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Thai Talk with Dan

Thai Talk with Dan

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@thaitalkwithdan
@thaitalkwithdan 2 жыл бұрын
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@georgelardas2373
@georgelardas2373 2 жыл бұрын
Dan, I liked your Intro. Professionally made and looked good. I think you need one, change it if you like but orininal one good and inro & advertising is good for customer relations etc.... Only my opinion Dan. Have a good day. George L.
@thaitalkwithdan
@thaitalkwithdan 2 жыл бұрын
@@georgelardas2373 Thanks for the feedback George, I have placed it to a vote in the community section on my channel, the intro is good for people that don't know about my channel and it's the first time watching a video but I can understand that people that regularly watch it can become annoying a little
@georgelardas2373
@georgelardas2373 2 жыл бұрын
How about putting a 'Skip Intro' Button / Option somewhere. Then you take advantage of Both Worlds .... New & Old Customers. George L. again.
@keithd1219
@keithd1219 2 жыл бұрын
I don't mind the intro with pictures of your family but the tune does get annoying...maybe change that from time to time.
@thaitalkwithdan
@thaitalkwithdan 2 жыл бұрын
Cheers Keith, I'll just go with the majority vote and if the vote wants to keep it in then maybe I'll just stick it at the beginning of each video and then it's easier to skip it 😅
@Zen36977
@Zen36977 2 жыл бұрын
Great videos brother. The voice of reason. Thank you
@Johndoc.
@Johndoc. 2 жыл бұрын
You need to move into your own place with your wife, Dave. Living with the in laws in any culture is a massive problem.
@masteryancodesan
@masteryancodesan 2 жыл бұрын
It's really cheap too up here in Isaan. 5-10k a month max for a house. We've rented lots of them over the years. We're on the same property as the MIL now but it's a big property and we have our own house. You have to have your own private area for peace and growth of the family. Old people are dumb.
@truckerfromreno
@truckerfromreno 2 жыл бұрын
@@masteryancodesan Spot on. It's amazing that many grown men revert to being teenagers when in LOS.
@masteryancodesan
@masteryancodesan 2 жыл бұрын
@@truckerfromreno when we built our house the MIL dragged her belongings into one of the bedrooms. I dragged her 💩 back out to her own house. If you want a nicer house, fix yours. She did fix hers up eventually.
@bigwaidave4865
@bigwaidave4865 2 жыл бұрын
Any man who lives with his in-laws has only himself to blame for his misery🙏
@garryoliver1445
@garryoliver1445 2 жыл бұрын
Many good agents in Pattaya not expensive when you think of all them trips paying for. Rent a place and get out of the house.
@Dream-Academy
@Dream-Academy Жыл бұрын
3:02 Got my Covid Vaccine... everything was set... and I had a stroke. Fucking amazing!!!
@janerikteveldal6778
@janerikteveldal6778 7 сағат бұрын
Got a booster to...lol
@kelcat34
@kelcat34 2 жыл бұрын
What!?!!! No I like the intro music that's one of the best things that I like about this channel! Keep it!
@mgvikings1484
@mgvikings1484 2 жыл бұрын
All the best for Dave and his wife. A great story, hope all will be fine with them and they find a way to deal with the family and find their luck.
@SJK-ROW-K
@SJK-ROW-K 2 жыл бұрын
I'm selling up and coming out there this year and def have to meet you as you've given such sound advice!
@oodo2908
@oodo2908 2 жыл бұрын
"It is my belief, Watson, founded upon my experience, that the lowest and vilest alleys in London do not present a more dreadful record of sin than does the smiling and beautiful countryside." - Sherlock Holmes Country people are eccentric the world over. A lot of expats don't realize that. This guy has basically involved himself with Appalachian small town folk.
@masteryancodesan
@masteryancodesan 2 жыл бұрын
Where do you think the city ghetto people come from? 🤣 Especially in Thailand.
@oodo2908
@oodo2908 2 жыл бұрын
@@masteryancodesan Same here in the Philippines. The generational ghetto people in Manila are usually pretty down to earth, actually. Might be weird, but they know they are weird. Country-folk imports, though...
@truckerfromreno
@truckerfromreno 2 жыл бұрын
The British Royal Family are really just country people.
@bbqbod
@bbqbod 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, its true. I lived on a working island in the Philippines for 5 years and I can tell you that after a short while I likened it to living on the set of the TV show Shameless but just in the jungle not a council estate. The people are inbreeds. A lot of them have never even left the island. They have zero education. Massive {usually warring} families. Hardly a pot to piss in. Absolutely zero etiquette, dignity or manners - especially when it comes to money. They are the worst gossipers, shit stirrers and back stabbers. That's especially true of the women. If you have any possessions, they think they have every right to take them/steal them or 'borrow' them. They do not know the value of money. They live completely in the moment. They never think forward. If they have it they spend it or eat it. But, ya know, it's really hard to know about that shit until your in the middle of it. Simple country folk. Close to savage. I mean for example, on the island i lived on it was not unusual for dogs to be eaten because people were poor. The mortality rate is low. No health service to write home about. Their outlook on life is so completely alien to ours that we can never understand it, but it takes a lot of stamina and patience to live with such people. I'm living in Thailand now and I prefer it here because it's so more advanced than the Philippines. But, yeah, I bet there's still plenty of rural places here that still have these backwards ass people and extended families. LOL. I recently visited my gfs village near Kohn Kaen and I lost track of how many cousins and aunts etc etc she had in the close vicinity. As far as I could tell they were all good sorts, but I wouldn't live there for all the tea in China. Been there done that. Families will be constantly begging and interfering at best. Also. while I'm on it, these cultures have firm beliefs in witchcraft and 'luck' and spells and all that hocus pocus. I not only find that really irritating and archaic, but it can also be quite scary to be living in that environment. It really effects people and their daily lives. many superstitions. They are serious about it. You might find this far fetched, but it was common knowledge where I lived and the island nearby that old people would poison younger people to gain their spirit and vigour and have higher mortality. Have a nice day ya'll :-)
@runningfreerunningfree
@runningfreerunningfree 2 жыл бұрын
I'm learning and maybe Someone can learn from my successes and failures
@runningfreerunningfree
@runningfreerunningfree 2 жыл бұрын
Hey guys Dave here thanks for all the comments and feedback. Sorry I left a lot of details out. I was responding to the video and wanted to share a taste of what could be expected when moving in with your wife and her family here in Thailand. I will speak to Dan's honesty he obviously reads your chats and emails of your stories he read my email per badom. Thanks Dan for listening and all of you viewer. Sorry if I ramble or my spelling sucks. I still have a lot of nerve damage on my left arm and both hands. Do I get tired when I type. I'll fill in some blanks for some of you folks. First: I'm neither broke or poor. I came to Thailand with an open mind. If things work out I will return to the states and liquidate assets I have plenty tk fully retire Abroad. I made a contract with myself to live by a strict budget until I decide to remain here permanently. Second: My wife is not a Bar Girl. She has a masters degree in accounting and worked for a business until the Covide lockdowns. Businesses shut down so she started a business with her sister. Her getting a Visa to America wouldn't be a problem we have looked into it extensively and have a lawyer that will help with that process. Her going to America would be a huge blow to her immediate family. And honestly I would rather go back for visits only to see my family back home.
@runningfreerunningfree
@runningfreerunningfree 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry my finger hit the wrong key Adding again to my comment: I didn't go into this totally blind Just responded to a video and shared what can happen and the frustrations you could face
@eddie8pints804
@eddie8pints804 2 жыл бұрын
Bringing your Thai girl home to the US has other pitfalls, she will become lonely like you in Thailand. She will eventually befriend other Thai girls, these new Thai girls may have been bargirls previously or maybe they are the money hungry status type. Watch out if they start the competitive talk about how much money their Husband gives etc.. hopefully your wife doesn't get sucked into that type of thinking and start looking for better options.
@masteryancodesan
@masteryancodesan 2 жыл бұрын
i told my wife about your father in law story. she said sounds about right LOL
@aaaces01
@aaaces01 2 жыл бұрын
Thankfully people never had strokes before vaccines. Oh wait… Gender roles are respected in Thailand. Maybe it’s time to head back to the States so you can wash the dishes? Seriously… just learn to fit in and develop your own interests.
@chrisreed3929
@chrisreed3929 2 жыл бұрын
I just think you are just going to have to learn to ignore the Father in Law, smile at him, nod, and carry on what you want to do. I wish you the best of health in the future.
@Lat265
@Lat265 2 жыл бұрын
Dan I got asbergers I lost a lot.
@masteryancodesan
@masteryancodesan 2 жыл бұрын
Send Dan your story. Sounds scary mate.
@markwick7898
@markwick7898 Жыл бұрын
Your not the only fool in Thailand don’t stress , it’s not the best from the west it’s the opposite
@masteryancodesan
@masteryancodesan Жыл бұрын
@@markwick7898 you make your own paradise in this life. no one will hand it to you. same in the East or West. most people in the US are miserable, even sitting in $5mil homes and driving $100k cars. i'm happy feeding my koi fish and watching a pumpkin plant overtake the back sidewalk. paradise is in your mind.
@randyvalantino6850
@randyvalantino6850 2 жыл бұрын
A man with money or successful who can support any woman in any country will do far better than men who need support. Footballers have beautiful wives . Actors politicians musicians all tend to have beautiful wives . Money is attractive and having a man who can support you and give you a happy life is very attractive to women all around the world . Hypergamy
@underworldringside
@underworldringside 2 жыл бұрын
Funny stuff
@mikimoto99
@mikimoto99 2 жыл бұрын
Hypergamy is inbuilt into the psyche of most women😉
@runningfreerunningfree
@runningfreerunningfree 2 жыл бұрын
Your absolutely right ✅️
@silasketgaskets8709
@silasketgaskets8709 2 жыл бұрын
in the context of thailand and these stories it is highly unlikely an affluent, fit, reasonable decent looking man, footballer, athlete, etc would choose the average thai girl no less the typical farang tg low education, poor farming background (exceptions duly noted and even the average thai uni degree does not mean much) also the wives of such affluent footballers, etc are typically highly successful/affluent themselves. some examples; david bekham and Victoria of spice girls. footballer Gerard Piqué and Shakira, an international superstar with MONEY and high IQ high achiever. brad pitt and angelina jolie both wealthy. many more examples. yes you can find cases of very old wealthy guys or wealthy less fit ones that sponsor attractive wives because that is the only way they can get such a woman. an analogy is me going to a freelance, beer bar or gogo bar and hiring a girl where bilateral chemistry does not exist simply not worth the time or money, imagine a marriage based on this?
@silasketgaskets8709
@silasketgaskets8709 2 жыл бұрын
PS; Richie Sambora (Bon Jovi) and Orianthi an excellent guitarist singer in her own right.
@davidpegrum5315
@davidpegrum5315 2 жыл бұрын
Dave, you need to get your own place ASAP. Your house,your rules!!!
@underworldringside
@underworldringside 2 жыл бұрын
More than a decade in Thailand and they are all the same. Like l said if she has not got a business or a good job. I don't even waste my time. No village rats. All the same. It won't work out. You will see later
@underworldringside
@underworldringside 2 жыл бұрын
@@chrissimpson4322 Correct must take control immediately not later
@masteryancodesan
@masteryancodesan 2 жыл бұрын
Would the US or UK give her a Visa? That's a good indicator 😆
@underworldringside
@underworldringside 2 жыл бұрын
@@masteryancodesan irrelevant he wants to live in Thailand
@hozayatlarge
@hozayatlarge 2 жыл бұрын
@@chrissimpson4322 wise words sir. You used the word pragmatic, that may be more accurate than what I always say, they are practical. Either way, if a guy is at all vulnerable you get chewed up and spit out no matter where you are
@hozayatlarge
@hozayatlarge 2 жыл бұрын
Dan if that's your wife in the thumbnail, you should model your channel after the holistic trainer 🙏
@JoseRodriguez-ir7jo
@JoseRodriguez-ir7jo 3 ай бұрын
Hey Dan I just wanted you to keep in mind be careful what info you give on the nurse we know she works in a hospital and she is white skin and she works nights 😊 don't give 😉 a chance for your X to damage something for you before you get a chance to make something happen you said so yourself she sometimes looks at you content peace ✌️
@stevenm7692
@stevenm7692 2 жыл бұрын
You had a stroke following the vsee, then you got the booster, damn son that's keen.
@brettchun38
@brettchun38 2 жыл бұрын
yer more like stupid
@runningfreerunningfree
@runningfreerunningfree 2 жыл бұрын
Wish I could go back and change that, I didn't know what I know now. And I have to live with that choice
@LANTER2300
@LANTER2300 2 жыл бұрын
@@runningfreerunningfree I feel for you 'Running Free'. Although I love to travel, I haven't since the start of the plandemic.
@petercarrington2560
@petercarrington2560 2 жыл бұрын
@@LANTER2300that’s the word for it PLANDEMIC.. no vaccine for me
@LANTER2300
@LANTER2300 2 жыл бұрын
@@petercarrington2560 I think 'Running Free' realises the \/axxines are bad for you but can he go to the next level and accept that it was all planned years ago.
@denbysk8
@denbysk8 2 жыл бұрын
Awful news about him and the poision hopefully he has speedy recovery fully
@rubennilsson5416
@rubennilsson5416 2 жыл бұрын
What poison?
@hellofromdave
@hellofromdave 2 жыл бұрын
@@rubennilsson5416 the vaccine
@runningfreerunningfree
@runningfreerunningfree 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I've recovered from the stroke well. Still have some paralysis in my left arm and both hands. But I'm walking 2 to 4k everyday now
@runningfreerunningfree
@runningfreerunningfree 2 жыл бұрын
Ya no more Jabs for me. But they were requiring it for travel up until i came to Thailand and honestly didn't put it together it caused my stroke. I can't change that decision I made at that time
@LANTER2300
@LANTER2300 2 жыл бұрын
@@rubennilsson5416 W A K E U P Y O U N U M B S K U L L
@SJK-ROW-K
@SJK-ROW-K 2 жыл бұрын
Sounds like a nightmare! I hope these guys get a grip - you are the most honest guy about Thai on here dude!
@fda7503
@fda7503 2 жыл бұрын
Mate your intro was lit!
@davidramsy3048
@davidramsy3048 2 жыл бұрын
Crazy forienger if paying a salary and see what happens when cut the money? No money no honey l have lived in pattaya now for 17 years seen it all . Do not pay a salary when live in your country you will not be the only one l have seen girls with as much as 6 different guys at the same time all sending money and easy come easy go if 2 guys coming same time she will pick the guy that pays the biggest salary and block the other.
@bolivartv
@bolivartv 2 жыл бұрын
💯
@RickTheBoss98
@RickTheBoss98 Жыл бұрын
3:03 3:12 no matter how dangerous aThai wife and her bipolar family that's definitely not the most dangerous thing in this video
@viron6734
@viron6734 Жыл бұрын
Well spotted. I can't believe he didn't see the connection.
@RickTheBoss98
@RickTheBoss98 Жыл бұрын
@@viron6734 potentially I just Saved Your Life I'm not saying I deserve financial gain for this but just pay It Forward ok
@khlongtalk
@khlongtalk 2 жыл бұрын
It's good to know you can still go down the Savannakhet visa route. Anyone have experience with it and cost each run? Thanks.
@runningfreerunningfree
@runningfreerunningfree 2 жыл бұрын
Yes this is a dry run on this trip to see how ruff or smoothly it goes: A 10 hour bus ride from Bangkok to Mukdahan is about 700 Baht Then a Tuk Tuk to the freedom Bridge 100 Baht 1400 Baht entry into Loas 2000 Baht for the non O marriage visa They process your paperwork and you pick up your stamped passport the next day so you have to book a hotel for one night 500 too 1900 Baht depending on where you stay. Round-trip on bus 1400 Baht Like I said I opted for the Fly and Ride 2000 Baht each way leaves Bankok at 5:30pm you get a van to Mukdahan that arrives at 9:30 pm I didn't want to be on a bus all night I will email Dan and let him know how the process goes and any issues I have for anyone who wants to know
@truckerfromreno
@truckerfromreno 2 жыл бұрын
The more you give the less they respect you. The weaker you are the less they respect you. Will these mug punters ever wake up and and man up?
@runningfreerunningfree
@runningfreerunningfree 2 жыл бұрын
Your correct
@athitaya6898
@athitaya6898 2 жыл бұрын
They have no gratitude watched as a farang was given a mouthful by an ungrateful family for causing the old witch to lose face, the farang had bought her a brand new 40 inch tv, she said her next door neighbor had a 50 inch one why didn’t the farang buy a 65 inch one to give her big face.
@googleuser2609
@googleuser2609 Жыл бұрын
LOL. Truth.
@jonross8925
@jonross8925 2 жыл бұрын
Salary or allowance ? is it the same?
@Wben113
@Wben113 2 жыл бұрын
I really couldn't imagine not being able to do normal chores around the house. And not punching the father out for treating my wife like that. What a shitty situation. I guess losing face only applies to the father.
@runningfreerunningfree
@runningfreerunningfree 2 жыл бұрын
Yes it's very difficult at times
@Stevenhufnagel
@Stevenhufnagel 2 жыл бұрын
The father is the head of the household and as such he is the boss. A foreigner being ignorant of the local culture and doing women's work around the house created a bad situation for his wife. It is a loss of face for the wife's father to see his daughter's husband doing what she should be doing. It suggests that the father did not raise the daughter well and as such he is a bad father. This is why the angry outburst rightfully so. A man should do a man's job. Don't be ignorant of the local culture. Find out what man do.
@robert5726
@robert5726 2 жыл бұрын
A farang in an issan village without money is like a thai girlfriend in the usa without a cooter, neither not good for much, lol
@bigjohnson7415
@bigjohnson7415 2 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣 He said Cooter! Love it!
@googleuser2609
@googleuser2609 Жыл бұрын
lmfao,
@mrpaul6356
@mrpaul6356 2 жыл бұрын
I would not bother with over analysis, stop the pollution. Be firm, talk to the wife first what you want and to include her and not alienate, then immediately tell the family you are now going to be firm what you want and the the relationship to be or you are Mr Gonzo. Period. If the family goes berserk and do not respect you and they only wants to be toxic in your life, move out. Life is too short, you have had several shots over the bow to warn you how precious life is. If it has to be another place to live, the sooner the better to get on with a good life.
@runningfreerunningfree
@runningfreerunningfree 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment I have done as you've suggested it's not been easy but my wife and I's relationship is good and we have a plan and they all now know. I'm trying to be diplomatic and not cause to much stress and just walk through it. Ideally things work out. I have my line in the sand and bottom line. Families are tough and I don't want her to alienate hers. I'm hoping for the best and have plans for the worst It's sad I'm actually a really chill happy go lucky guy. But my health and sanity is the most important and at this stage in my life I'm about enjoying myself. Your right about my strokes bring warning shots across the bow
@mrpaul6356
@mrpaul6356 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you. You definitely sound like a good person. Perhaps like me, a lot of your life in the "providing for others" mode and really not thinking of yourself. My career of construction, electronic engineer, social work, lighting design, etc. ... just a curious cat type of guy. My life of being married to an aboriginal, Married to a Chinese. Passed away so I suppose I was here to help them on their journey? Study philosophy ... so I can ramble on a lot with diversity and observation. My Chinese wife at first drove me a bit crazy with her always reminding me " What are you enabling? " A good line to stop and ponder. Perhaps one for you? You walk a path of family interaction in a different culture. Some things are universal at the same time. Be diplomatic, calm, never raising voice, respect, never rush an answer. These are all good things In your shoes I may say to the wife; I am sad for her father (family?) not being happy. I am not responsible with what the family chooses. What they do is their choice. I have intent of being in a happy life together. ( For myself, I personally follow the eight fold path of Buddhism as a life and conduct guide ). Well that needs some fine tuning, however I think you understand my intent there. Sometimes things get harder before they get better. Best wishes for your journey.
@googleuser2609
@googleuser2609 Жыл бұрын
He's probably living with in-laws because he can't afford his own rent.
@Abundancesober2023
@Abundancesober2023 2 жыл бұрын
Nice story. First 5 minutes. Supporting. Nice. Then ?
@adhemartucker8171
@adhemartucker8171 Жыл бұрын
Marriage tends to ruin everything
@TonyKeepingItClean
@TonyKeepingItClean 2 жыл бұрын
Good to here a story about a happy relationship. Shame about her dad. Maybe he needs a cuddle.
@Abundancesober2023
@Abundancesober2023 2 жыл бұрын
Sedond half. 6 minutes. The family. Like vampired. Some worse. Some better. But the family disurbs the relationship. I think its an asaian thing. Not just thailand.
@M.R.T.V.Videos
@M.R.T.V.Videos 2 жыл бұрын
That's all Asia. Yes Family is the cause of most all problems in relationships
@pauljones5066
@pauljones5066 2 жыл бұрын
the vaccine and stroke may not be unrelated events !!!
@SJK-ROW-K
@SJK-ROW-K 2 жыл бұрын
Okay here's a question that hasn't been answered by all the Thai KZbin channels - you seem totally honest and upfront so maybe you can answer it - what is it that these Thai girls are doing in the sack that is any different from what western girls do? Yes I realise they all over you and make you feel like you so amazing - but that bs doesn't last long - so what do they do in the sack that western girls don't do to make these western guys so smitten? A video on this I think?
@runningfreerunningfree
@runningfreerunningfree 2 жыл бұрын
For me what happens in the sack is important but not the focus of why I am so "smitten". I am more than pleased with with the regular nighttime "exercise program she initiates on a regular basis 😀 But truth is she's like no western woman I've ever experienced. She makes love to me all day with her actions: She's the most "Feminine" (not submissive) woman I've ever encountered and and proud of her Femininity. All the western women I have been with and I was married more than once had a chip on their shoulders. Always seemed to be in competition with men. Shit watch American Media they are struggling trying to define what a woman is I'm sorry I could not answer your question and be more graphic. I'm not into bar girls so I don't have any experience there.. Come to Thailand take your time. Lots of lovely real women here. Experience it for yourself. Just don't live with her family, haha, thats my only issue here in Thailand. It's a cultural thing. From my experience many thai men/husbands/fathers have a "I'm the King" complex and family members are their loyal subjects But compared to Western women Thai woman are awesome 👌
@SJK-ROW-K
@SJK-ROW-K 2 жыл бұрын
@@runningfreerunningfree thanks for the insight
@Stevenhufnagel
@Stevenhufnagel 2 жыл бұрын
It would be helpful for westerners to learn the culture before moving to these places. Also, westerners should take note that when in Rome do like the Romans.
@googleuser2609
@googleuser2609 Жыл бұрын
Bingo! Cultural differences, that's it!
@adhemartucker8171
@adhemartucker8171 Жыл бұрын
Keep your money real close to you with any woman
@ATIWatchReviews
@ATIWatchReviews 2 жыл бұрын
Dont live with your gf's family... why the heck would you ever want to do that, especially in Isaan. Live in a more modern area and away from her family, village life isn't for everyone and not with crazy families
@googleuser2609
@googleuser2609 Жыл бұрын
Because he probably can't afford to live independently.
@ubiquitousdiabolus
@ubiquitousdiabolus 2 жыл бұрын
There is nothing wrong with men and women assuming different roles/jobs in the family. However, it's unfortunate that in most countries (including Western countries), there are subcultures where the men feel it's necessary to keep the women "in their place" mostly through threats, abuse and even violence.
@hnic50l84
@hnic50l84 2 жыл бұрын
A ridiculous over the top generalization - men feel women must be kept in 'their place' through threats and violence. It must have been quite an interview process to draw that conclusion given there are 4 billion men on the planet
@googleuser2609
@googleuser2609 Жыл бұрын
Subcultures?
@Abundancesober2023
@Abundancesober2023 2 жыл бұрын
C. Visas. Worldwide. More difficult.
@charliestoybox2099
@charliestoybox2099 2 жыл бұрын
Keep the intro music. If a couple buttercup’s don’t like it, they can use their lazy ass fingers to skip ahead.
@izetsalihbegovic115
@izetsalihbegovic115 2 жыл бұрын
Dude skip the intro all together. Please.
@2mnywmn
@2mnywmn 2 жыл бұрын
No Dan....please no intro or a new intro. It's not needed.
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