My “attempted” review of the AlphaTheta OMNIS-DUO (I failed…it’s just not ready…)

[@markandrewsdj]

Hi, just to say that the cdj mode 'stuttering' is not a fault/bug with the unit, its normal behaviour. If you press cue/play it stops. I guess it helps with cueing in cdj mode and is the same on other pioneer dj products... Not sure about the track going forward and backwards though 😂 Nice review, I'm considering getting one but may take some more time to decide.

[@SmilestonesDJAdventures]

Oh thanks for that tip man - didn’t know that! Totally not the way my DDJ1000 behaves but it’s just a laptop controller …

[@markandrewsdj]

@@SmilestonesDJAdventuresAh OK, having looked at the DDJ 1000 there isnt a dedicated button for swapping from vinyl to cdj mode, but that's all good. I believe that it is possible to map this option in the Keyboard settings on Rekordbox if you're feeling adventurous, but yeah looks like we have both learned something! 😀

[@simonconquest]

Correct. It’s the same in all units. It’s how it worked on CD units. Allows you to move to exact point you require.

[@kctraviesodj]

That’s the way they where back then with cds it helps with cue right on beat

[@MikeSinclairDJServices]

I sold my Prime Go and bought the Omnis-Duo for one reason ... my use for an all-in-one like this is Ceremonies. The Omnis has Mic EQ, Prime Go does not. Also, you are incorrect about the Omnis not having autoplay... it does. In settings, under Play Mode, you can choose "single" or "continue". Continue mode will play the songs in order continuously just like the Prime Go. I say all of this with love & respect!

[@SmilestonesDJAdventures]

That’s cool Mike. I’m sure it will be a good tool for many, depending on your use case. (All this assuming they fix all the bugs) The autoplay you mention doesn’t function like you think. If you read the manual, you’ll see that it says that the Omnis will only load the next file in the playlist into the same deck that was playing. It does not play the track. I thought this was some error in translation for the English version of the manual or something 😂, so I tried it myself. Unfortunately, it was right, there is no auto play. But I think that this is something that could be easily enabled in the future. 🙏🏻 Have fun with yours bro!!

[@MikeSinclairDJServices]

@@SmilestonesDJAdventures My apologies. You are right, it just loads the track, but doesn't play it. I'm not sure why they would implement that like that... kind of dumb. Hopefully they enable that with a firmware update. Hmmm... or if Denon releases a Prime Go MK2 with Mic EQ, I'd probably jump all over that!

[@SmilestonesDJAdventures]

@@MikeSinclairDJServices​​⁠yes that’s kinda silly not to go ahead and play the track - but hopefully AT will add that functionality! Valuable for us wedding DJ’s 😜 Thx bro!!

[@robkleinot4615]

@@SmilestonesDJAdventures its a little tricky if you never used a pioneer cdj before. continuous needs to be on and then on the deck auto que needs to be toggled on or off. I keep my master settings on continuous then auto cue on or off on the deck i want to keep playing. same on all their all in ones also

[@xataum007]

For the auto play to work you need to turn off the auto cue function. Because the auto cue "auto cue" the next song for you so even into auto play mode the auto cue will stop the next track to play 🫶🏽

[@DjPamePasten]

Hi there, thank you for this, I'm old school I use a Vestax VCI 380 which is the same size of the Denon, and it work in a extraordinary way, even better that several new models and in any environment but I'm looking for a portable option. I been debating between Alpha-Theta, Denon Prime Go and Numark Mix Stream, this video help me with some doubts that I have, thank you so much.

[@Earthcitizen4609]

The fx section big failure

[@SmilestonesDJAdventures]

@@Earthcitizen4609 yesss

[@djpaulthompson]

The AlphaTheta OMNIS-DUO is overpriced JUNK

[@SmilestonesDJAdventures]

Could’ve been great but I think they missed the mark on a few things

[@tommygarcia8010]

I COULDNT AGREE WITH YOU MORE ON THE SAMPLER AND FX CHANNEL SELECTIONS. I posted on the pioneer suggestions forum for them to allow us to “midi map” either the bluetooth buttons or maybe a “shift”-function to the headphone channel selection 1 & 2 to switch between FX channels! it’s complete bullsh*t. How did they engineer this and it was a complete sweep past their mind? Like it’s a THREE TOUCH process every time you want to switch channels that’s very annoying… A lot of those bugs have been fixed with the new firmware update but I still like the unit regardless. Pioneer just needs to actually listen to suggestions and implement them like denon does.

[@SmilestonesDJAdventures]

Oh that’s great. And awesome that you have Pioneer the feedback. Hopefully they’ll listen to you and others, and improve the software to give us some improvements. Unfortunately some of the hardware decisions like lack of FX channel buttons, no dedicated browse back button, etc are not fixable through software changes I’ll keep fingers crossed for improvements to come quickly- maybe I’ll re buy some day. Thanks!!!

[@MrJFunk]

Has there been any firmware update to this controller? Still loving my Prime Go as well. Hope they add streaming too.

[@SmilestonesDJAdventures]

Not sure, bro, I sent mine back. I’m still rocking my prime go and despite wanting to love this pioneer release, I’m sticking with my Denon.

[@MrJFunk]

@@SmilestonesDJAdventures With the new update it feels fresh once more. Loving the Denon.

[@1kontrolr872]

I hate the way the beat jump is. I hate the way the beat loop is, and I think it's about $800 overpriced.

[@Marvelpic]

When you turn it off Vinyl mode on CDJs it does the same thing. Can the Denon DJ work without using a laptop? Great video man keep them coming.

[@DJ2Legit007]

Very good honest review!! Appreciate it!

[@SmilestonesDJAdventures]

Thanks

[@musicfreakx911]

Can I connect two computers to This mixer ?

[@lukeannett]

Uh... Still looks absolutely terrible and fisher price like.

[@bboymac84]

That’s not a bug it’s a feature used to adjust the timing. It’s a feature that only happens when you pause in jog mode. It’s a studder feature that’s been in pioneers CDJs since the 90’s

[@SmilestonesDJAdventures]

Ugh well I don’t like that feature then!

[@bboymac84]

@@SmilestonesDJAdventures yea it’s a feature that old heads used that’s obsolete now yet Pioneer keeps it in. Makes no sense since we have cue points now🤷🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️

[@NukePooch1]

I hate that a lot of the controls are buried in tiny menus instead of having knobs and switches. I just don't understand a minimalist design for something that literally exists for hand and finger controls. I wouldn't get it anyways due to the price and design, but the glitches and bugs are unreal for any entry-level controller, let alone one at this price level.

[@SmilestonesDJAdventures]

Agree! The minimalist look actually might discourage physical activity with the controller - and probably limits the tricks people want to perform. It may look slick thought. I was truly hoping for a great rekordbox standalone controller here but it’s just not enough, for me at least.

[@slopiijoe]

I really liked the video. The software engineer in me wants to troubleshoot that issue you were having and see if it had anything to do with switch jog/vinyl mode while touching the job wheel, or if some smudge on the touch screen was moving it? It doesn't look gig ready yet... I like how clean it looks but I think the over use of the touchscreen was a misstep on this product

[@SmilestonesDJAdventures]

Oh that’s a great perspective! Right… pretty clean, and I think once the bugs are cleaned up, I’m sure it will be a good controller for many folks

[@xataum007]

Hi. I also have the Omnis Duo and the vinyl mode on or off work the same as on the CDJs. Vinyl mode off means CD mode on. On the old CDJs if you pause a song you would get that beat repeating sound and it's normal🫶🏽

[@wkhentertainment-vd1qc]

Welcome back Kevin! We missed you man.

[@SmilestonesDJAdventures]

Hey, thanks!

[@CDJPRODJ]

Hi what is the max size sd card that can be used on this? SDXC or SDHC? Also does this show track vocals like Rekordbox does? Any track drifting? The Bpm is it shown as 120.0 or 120.00 like in Rekordbox? I would like to know this before I make a purchase. Thanks DJ.

[@diehochzeitsdjs]

SDXC 128GB on my Omnis-Duo works fine 👍

[@djkeithjust]

There’s no drift since there’s no laptop or midi needed

[@djkeithjust]

It’s not a bug, when you hit pause it’s now in position for setting cue point only when vinyl mode is off.

[@SmilestonesDJAdventures]

Maybe so. but I didn’t like it and it’s not super intuitive. I’ve moved on.

[@J-DJ]

Its almost impossible to belive this unit comes from the biggest player in DJ gear Pioneer DJ/Alpha Theta. What did they think releasing this unit with all those bugs and at that price point? That their usual fanbase/fanboys would just hurry to nearest store and rip $1500 out of their bankaccount no matter what shit Pioneer DJ releases. This controller is way overpriced and as you demonstrated only "half cooked", AT´s RD-team needs to go back in "the kitchen" and make it SUPER delicious to justify the HIGH price. Thanks for the honest review, you bought it, with a pricetag of $1500, with your own hard earned money (vs CT, Spinelli and rest of the so called "unbiassed reviewers"), that makes this review much more trust worthy than what I´ve seen so far on KZbin. Thaks again, thats how a review should be done 👍👍👍

[@SmilestonesDJAdventures]

Well said bro! And thanks for that. I really was hoping it would be great but it’s just so expensive for what it offers (or doesn’t) - even if the bugs are solved. I agree with you!

[@J-DJ]

@@SmilestonesDJAdventuresIn the past PioneerDj gear was SOLID and that could in some way justify the so called "Pioneer TAX" (overpricing), but I think they have gone too far now, prices are ridiculous compared to what their new products offer. Take a look at DJ Brettly youtube he bought 3 new pioneer controllers last year and has had problems with both the Rev5 and FLX10 and not much help from Pioneer support, result: he still does gigs with his trusty DDJ-1000.

[@tropicaltrev1617]

So because you don’t have a use for it you presume it should be the same for everyone else! The Prime Go was a thousand dollars when it released 4 pre-pandemic years ago. Get real!😊 P.s, 1500 dollars is absolutely not a lot of money for some. P.p.s, i’d love a Pagani Utopia but i can’t afford one, so guess what!!!

[@kreature6618]

Demon all the way! This thing is more like a expensive toy for rich tik tok influencers not for the working dj, personally I use Traktor gear and tried pioneer but it wasn’t for me, I’ll stick with Traktor till I stop djing as it has everything I want but I would definitely not recommend this product to anyone!

[@SmilestonesDJAdventures]

Yeah I see your point. I think without the bugs, which hopefully they’ll fix soon, it has a use case for DJ’s like me who want to access all their rekordbox metadata. But it turned me off with the issues - I actually returned mine to the store last night 😣

[@kreature6618]

I think your far more professional than to be using this bit of naff kit! imagine them releasing a $1000+ controller with buggy software from the get go! good to return it! The Denon does everything you want from the looks of it and to me looks far more rugged! thanks for the review though - it's good to see honest reviews these days! :) @@SmilestonesDJAdventures

[@SmilestonesDJAdventures]

Ah thanks!! I like having this kind of unit for the quick pop up parties and super small things - and traveling with to mess around on vacation. So I’ll keep rockin the Denon for those uses! :)

[@slopiijoe]

I though Engine DJ will import RekordBox metadata? Including BPM, Genre, and loops and hot cues

[@SmilestonesDJAdventures]

@@slopiijoe not things like stars, color, code, or most important, my tags. I’ve spent years curating and setting all of these components for my music so that I can find whatever I want in my library very quickly. I am OK without it, but man it would be clutch if I could have access to the full power of my library on a small battery power controller. I was hoping that this was going to be my answer.