My Engagement to Alan Turing by Joan Clarke (later Joan Murray)

My Engagement to Alan Turing by Joan Clarke (later Murray) is an extract of an 1992 Horizon programme about Alan Turing showing the enigmatic Joan Clarke. In this short extract, listen to Joan talk about Alan's proposal of marriage and his revelation about his homosexuality.
Thank you for all your comments and debate. Please don't add offensive comments, they may be removed. Special thanks to the eagle-eyed viewers who have correctly stated that the credit caption is incorrect - it should be Shaun Wylie before 'I'.J.Good (known as Jack).
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You can also see a photograph of Joan Clarke from 1936 at this link:
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I recommend you watch the full programme: The Strange Life and Death of Dr Turing at • The Strange Life and D... to learn more about Alan Turing as sold by his biographer and work colleagues.
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[@fmfloripa]

This guy was one of the biggest geniuses in human history and people destroyed his life just because he liked men rather than women. Think about it, how would you feel being forced to take hormones in order to "attempt" to change your sexuality? Society is cruel and most of all, hypocritic. He was murdered by us, I feel ashamed to be human sometimes.

[@SoRandomGirl10]

I agree and also there really was no reason to give Alan hormones

[@AsianIdiots323]

+Birty Catapilla By the logic back then, wouldn't giving Alan more hormonal changes just make his tastes more lob-sided? I mean, straight is only one out of literally HUNDREDS of sexualities!

[@kleversonjdsr7986]

Felipe Moreira abuse dont make one gay. get your homophobic ass elsewhere

[@brianpoetart]

I think you misread there dude

[@a.m.0385]

I wholeheartedly agree with you, I feel disgusted on how society worked and how such a man’s life had been so cruel because of something as simple as his sexuality. It’s something that is frustrating to think about really, if the times were changed how successful he would have been, how much love and appreciation he would have gotten....a nice life...but the world was/is a cruel place and somehow the best people get persecuted..... RIP Alan Turing, you deserved the world, one that is much better than ours....

[@PhillipParr]

That last statement is very powerful with regards to legal prejudice: "It was probably a good thing that the security people didn't know because he might then have been fired and we might have lost the war".

[@IJBLondon]

Agreed. Delivered with devastating understatement.

[@LeBrow420]

It might be a delay but the allies would not lose the war. The Great Britain could not beat Germany with or without Alan Turing. However, there was Soviet Union who totally exhausted Germany and there was United States who was twice strong as Germany, just a matter of time that United States step into the war and end it. Alan's contribution for human race is revolutionary, Alan's contribution for winning WW2 was not that big.

[@owenjones7517]

Anfernee Garcia If Turing didn't break Enigma and therefore Britain lost the Battle of the Atlantic then the war would have been lost. Without Britain there would be no platform to launch D-Day, no one to stop the Germans in North African (Battle of El Alamein), no one to stop Japan from taking British India (Battles of Imphal and Kohima). And then of course the might of the Royal Navy and additional manpower from the British Army would be taken out of the equation. Without Britain winning was impossible. Turing's work helped win the Battle of the Atlantic, thus keeping Britain in the War, thus saving the war effort.

[@owenjones7517]

***** The Germans could NEVER invade Britain I agree. But a pro German negotiated peace was a more than likely outcome had the Nazis won the Battle of the Atlantic. After all, had Engima not been broken then the food would have stopped flowing to Britain. An early British peace with Germany would certainly have confounded continental Europe to unending Nazi rule

[@LeBrow420]

Owen Jones If Turing didn't break Enigma and therefore Britain lost the Battle of the Atlantic but the war would NOT have been lost. The fate of WW2 were controlled by Germany, Soviet Union and the U.S. The game was for the big dogs and Britain was just one of the role players. Britain made contribution to speed up the result but not changing the result of WW2. Germany started losing the war after the battle of Starlinggrad and that was before U.S. did Normandy. That means Soviet Union had a good chance beating Germany even without U.S.'s help and later U.S. stepped in so it became a done deal that WW2 will be won by the Allies. Simple math, Soviet Union + U.S. > Germany+Japan, the strengh difference was huge already. it was a sure victory. If Soviet Union and U.S. didn't exist I'm sure it would be just a matter of time that Germany would take over the whole Europe(that include Britain) then maybe later the world. If Britain didn't exist, U.S. and Soviet Union would still be able to beat Germany and Japan. Thanks for Britain's help but Britain was just not the key.

[@AjayKrishna1995]

For a long time, homosexuality has a been almost a taboo topic for me. But after watching " The Imitation Game " , I realise all men are equal regardless of their sexual preference and Turing who is almost synonymous with computer science and with me being a computer science engineer, I know the man is beyond genius. The Einstein of Computer Science.

[@thePastafarian88]

This comment right here proves that the movie was successful. I believe one of the main purposes of the film was to try and show people what you just said.

[@huntersihelp]

sometimes it's the people whom no one imagines anything of that do what no one can imagine.

[@mac19019]

I'm glad you were able to get that from the movie. I think science is one of those things that can bring people together and this is one of those things. :)

[@DistantCousin]

Glad you confronted your issues, however it is not a "sexual preference" - which suggests a similar thing as "lifestyle choice" - both are wholly incorrect. You are born that way. Although it could be argued that the "preference" element comes in if one chooses to deny their true self and live a charade of a heterosexual life, mainly to appease family and conform to societal norms....

[@bendaniel6887]

It’s not that simple

[@norightturn7047]

We owe Joan Clarke, Alan Turing and the rest of the group who worked at Bletchley a huge debt of gratitude. She was definitely a pioneer and proved that women can do as much if not more than most men if given a chance. Some would even say we owe these people our very freedom and I don't think they are wrong. Without their efforts Germany might not have been defeated. They had a terrible burden placed upon them by having to decide who lives or dies in order to keep their breaking Enigma a secret. I don't think we can ever repay these people or others like them enough. Glad Turing was pardoned and received an apology even if it was after his death but I'd like to see every single homosexual who was convicted also pardoned. It wasn't right and I think Mr. Turing would agree that he shouldn't be the only one pardoned and apologized to.

[@MrDaiseymay]

I disagree with your suggestion regarding official apologies for past laws and punishment. what is the point? This modern tendency to overlay the practices of times gone by, with the sensitivities and 'morals' of the present. Where will it end? Wev'e had the Queen's apologies to the Irish, Bliar's, for the Empire, everybody's for the slave trade---we do love beating ourselves up don't we. NO other country plays this stupid game. What about 500 yrs of Political and religious persecution--burning witches--forced migration to Australia for stealing a loaf of bread--thousands of children killed in Mines. Mills, and up chimneys---leave it out for gawd sake.

[@saramilkez]

Philip Croft This "tendency" as you call it is part of the the "sensitivities and morals" of the present.

[@julieatwood670]

Philip Croft It hurts no one to admit we were wrong and apologize for it, hopefully influencing those who are, TO THIS DAY, wrong, to do the same. However, it hurts many people to keep our silence on these subjects and let old wrongs go un-righted. We need to learn from our history or we'll just repeat it. If there's no harm - and there isn't, no one suffers for an _apology_ - in doing it, but plenty of harm in not doing it, then why on earth would we not?

[@jmatwood]

MichaelKingsfordGray You know... the entire world that would have suffered had the Axis won World War II instead of the Allies. _That_ "we".

[@jmatwood]

MichaelKingsfordGray Wow, I have a few problems with this. Number one: You honestly think that those peoples would have _flourished_ under the influence of a xenophobic, genocidal dictatorship? The future of those countries, even and/or _especially_ Germany, would not have been _brighter_ had WWII resolved differently in favor of the Nazi regime. Number two: Are you even talking about the same war I am? World War II? Austria was not part of the Axis; it was invaded and occupied by Germany. Italy, Bulgaria, Romania and Finland defected and joined the Allies in 43-44, and Hungary was for all intents and purposes controlled entirely by Germany during that time. The second it started to consider withdrawing support, they were occupied and a Nazi-party-approved government was installed, making them entirely controlled by Germany. Croatia was _established by Axis states during the war_ to be an Axis-controlled government, so not only did it not even exist before the war began, it was not independent from Germany and Italy. Thailand was a neutral country until it was _invaded_ by Japan. ... I could go on, but it's kind of ridiculous to do so. And number three: Special racist stance? _What?_ I don't _even_. What are we even talking about right now? Do you even know what race I am? Are you assuming I'm Jewish, or what? I seriously don't even. Considering this suddenly got just plain _ridiculous,_ I'll wish you a good afternoon and bow out of this discussion. Take care!

[@shobartabdwlwahid9926]

the imitation game brought me here :D

[@alexmadukwe4090]

same :D

[@alexmadukwe4090]

same :D

[@JadedJarvis]

+Alex Madukwe same. what a surprisingly good film!

[@alexmadukwe4090]

+monkeyboy2461 ikr I thought it would suck but it was awesome

[@NightmareGadgets]

same ;)

[@taradrake1085]

Alan Turing is my hero

[@irisnora5681]

My too

[@liamtheleaf]

mine too he's a complete hero

[@notused.]

He would have loved that

[@TI5040]

My too

[@folkengames]

My grandfather was a cryptographer in ww2. He decrypted and translated japanese communications in the Pacific. Alan Turing was his hero. Until his passing at 94, Papa would speak often of Turing and how the world had wronged him. He said "The world owes Alan Turing everything, but firstly it owes him an apology."

[@junkiecosmonaut5050]

Wow, after "The Imitation Game" came out, Joan Clarke was somewhat of an unknown hero, Extraordinary woman!

[@odedben-josef7029]

The prejudice still goes on - the likelihood of a film being based on her as a main character is slim. It wouldn't be profitable. Too many people are all too accepting of women always being in the shadow of someone. Neither would be a film about how women were denied full honorary degrees in Cambridge even when they were smarter than men who did get them - until 1948. www.independent.co.uk/news/at-last-a-degree-of-honour-for-900-cambridge-women-1157056.html

[@tomr6955]

@@odedben-josef7029 Oh please. No amount of virtue will rewrite history, just accept how it was. In the future, they will write about amazing women instead of men from the 2020's anyway.

[@tararandjelovic2596]

After watching The Imitation Game , I still can’t believe that this really happened - that these people including Alan Turing really existed! It’s crazy how one human being , being extraordinary intelligent, shorten a war and saved millions of lives! It’s unbelievable to think about it - it’s sad that he left us soo early

[@crazyesy]

Who else ended up here after watching The Imitation Game? If only that movie came out while I was struggling with my Theoretical Computer Science module and was thoroughly convinced that Turing Machines were the devil's work.

[@angellicat.n.g2382]

Esther Jerome : I think you true

[@angellicat.n.g2382]

Esther Jerome : Machine that created by Turing can brought we to big problem in end of time. Because this machine is devil's work to destroy human life.

[@therespectedlex9794]

Superstition hasn't no place in computer science, surely. Devil's work? Maybe you chose the wrong subject. I thought you were joking, like it's so complex and irritating it's 'the Devil's work'. But no, because usually humour, like science and computing, is a male preserve.

[@mcshaza1577]

@@therespectedlex9794 ur kidding right

[@therespectedlex9794]

@@mcshaza1577 Look at Angellica TNG's comment.

[@theimaginationofmyself]

Might have lost the war, because of a man's attraction to another man. How truly horrifying.

[@joemitchell5017]

No Lie ewwwwwww

[@joaobaiao8127]

+No Lie No. They might have lost the war, because of prejudice against a brilliant man who thought different.

[@LeBrow420]

+No Lie It is NOT horrifying because the war would never be lost with or without Alan Turing or even Britain’s existence. USA and USSR together would be enough power to beat the Axis. Britain was once the most powerful country in the world but during the time of WW2 Britain was just a small potato compared to USA, Nazi Germany or the USSR. It’s ridiculous to think that Britain could lose or win the war for the Allies, let me put it this way, even if Britain was a member of the Axis, the Axis still couldn’t beat USA + USSR. Britain helped shorten the war that was already winning, that’s it.

[@ilikethisnamebetter]

+Raging Kid Let me put it this way, the intelligence produced at Bletchley Park was essential to *all* of the Allies. It's quite possible that the war would have been lost without it.

[@matteogavazzi9591]

+Raging Kid Actually it has been admitted by some of the major Allie's generals that the war might have been lost, if it wasn't for Enigma (whole Bletchley Park not only Turing's work). Just as an example, Rommel would have taken Cairo without Ultra's work. From there, the Axis could have taken oil-rich regions of Middle East with with an undenaiable advantage for the Axis and unpredictable consequences.

[@presleyrodrigues]

Rest in Peace Alan Turing and Joan Clarke ♥️

[@kastalliwael7372]

After watching the imitation game here i am .. this movie make me more curioius about the strange life of Alan Turing

[@shanya213]

I honestly feel as though Alan Turing was one of the best men that ever walked the earth and it’s sad he had to die so young when I was in the 6th grade we had to do a project on our favourite historian I did a whole presentation about him I almost started crying while talking about how he got charged with “gross indecency” and how he committed suicide :(

[@binx414]

awe- how did your class react?

[@maka1706]

I don’t know if he committed suicide or was poisoned by cyanide in the apple.

[@armstrongliberato6419]

RIP Alan Turing. Thank you for all.

[@bando3789]

If it wasn't for turing ,we wouldn't have been watching this video.

[@rossholmes7751]

Turing saved countless lives working for the British government & that same government tried to castrate him 😡 We’ll never know what he would’ve went on to achieve

[@MrAssassinash]

The imitation game is an AMAZING true story. So sad. Unbelievable

[@angellicat.n.g2382]

MrAssassinash :and so strange

[@homad07]

The imitation game brought me here!

[@callasexperience]

she is so lovely

[@max2082]

Man they totally Hollywood-fied their relationship. They made it like he never told her he was homosexual until the last minute. Or that they had a serious relationship outside of their work. But what do I expect they only had two hours to encapsulate a man's life work. They had a hard enough time weighing everything that was happening out. You know between the War, creating the machine from freaking scratch, Turing's relationship with his colleagues and of course his relationship with Joan Clarke. Still an amazing movie though.

[@KerryHoward]

That's movies for you. It's a great movie that, as you say, has a lot to encapsulate in a short space of time. Within the movie,Turing's Scooby gang represents the work of the 10,000 plus people who were part of the true Enigma story. The movie may not be totally historically accurate but it's inspiring, shines the light on unsung heroes and drives people to find out more. That's gotta be worth an Oscar or two!

[@ChetanBhasin]

There is a documentary called "Codebreakers". I suggest that you watch it too. I knew a lot about Turing's life and I've been a huge fan of his work; after watching the movie I was a bit disappointed as to how they misrepresented a few facts. I expected better, but then there is only so much a movie can do.

[@PixDDD]

I think lot of the changes they made to the story weren't for the fact that the time was limited(or other limitations of the format), but rather because they wanted to deliver a message and the real story didn't fully fit that. This movie could have been one of my favorites but this way it's only a very good one imo.

[@ChetanBhasin]

MrFogaddmarel Exactly what I wanted to say. Again, though, I'd suggest that you watch the documentary called "Codebreakers".

[@PixDDD]

I probably will since a did a random wikipedia session yesterday at 3 am :D we left the cinema at 0:25 and I couldn't resist

[@KerryHoward]

Thank you for your comments, and debate. I just wanted to let you know that I am putting together a video called 'The Untold Story of Joan Clarke' to share some of my research into this fascinating woman. I'll let you know when it's live. Also, I've put 2 of her letters on my website, which can be downloaded for free when you join my newsletter list. There is a copy of the original handwritten draft of her letter, along with a typed transcript and a profile. She talks about the Bombe machine and shares some of her memories about Alan Turing. Download it at www.bletchleyparkresearch.co.uk/codebreaker-letter-download. You also receive a letter from another enigmatic woman codebreaker, Margaret Rock. Enjoy.

[@pythonanimalia]

+Kerry Howard thanks a lot :)

[@tigress1girl]

Kerry Howard did you published the video? I'll be happy to learn more about Joan Clarke

[@Sandyzzz]

thnx for sharing the same... 😊👍

[@Fredster05]

watch the movie..really moving...great work by the director and the producers celebrating the life of an extraordinary man who saved million of lives but yet had only one friend....

[@birddog9708]

freddie B that's not true he gave a recorder to a friend who left it to me in his will. It was for coding on obviously rather than" music"

[@mustakim7876]

He had his team which kinda like his only friend .

[@nas4799]

I just watched the movie and here I am.

[@NightmareGadgets]

we most of are doing same ;) i just watched today!!!

[@jameswillis8704]

Just got watching it as well. It was an amazing movie.

[@sou_theslytherin5203]

Yup. It's a *Great* film!

[@ghstbird3338]

Watching the movie this evening has brought me here as many young gay men these days DO NOT have a clue as to who this man and OTHER gay men in history was/are. I see these men and women as my fathers, mothers, fighters, warriors, etc for what homosexuals have fought for - the damn RIGTH to be who they are, who they choose to married, etc. Here's to U, Alan!!!

[@nabihahsalleh4248]

I can actually see tears in her eyes

[@cybersoil100]

I just recently saw the movie. Wow.. these people personally may have shortened WWII by 2 years and may have saved 14,000,000 (million) lives. They should be honored with statues.

[@trailblazzin5441]

That was in the credits of the film wasn't it? 😂 (rhetorical question)

[@cybersoil100]

***** It's too bad they treated him the way they did after the war.

[@kiky.mp4]

cybersoil100 they even give the statue of Alan Turing rainbow scarf every winter to celebrate his sexuality and to keep him warm. :)

[@fishmonger6879]

The libs would just take them down

[@ebynmatthews]

Well there is a statue of Alan Turing in Manchester.

[@nickjonesCSM]

People in Britain (me being one of them) really do feel a sense of anger and incredulity at Turings conviction and subsequent barbaric treatment. His story has had such an effect on the British public that they voted him the greatest icon of the 20th century. An award that was presented to his niece at a BBC presentation on the 5th of February 2019.

[@a.m.0385]

The imitation game brought me here. One of humanity’s biggest regrets should be that geniuses like Alan felt as though they had no other options left other then suicide. A beautiful human with a beautiful mind that we owe so much to, yet all he got in return was scorn, hatred and discrimination.

[@Sandyzzz]

wow tnx for sharing such a nice interview......TOC subject.... brought me here....

[@KerryHoward]

My Engagement to Alan Turing by Joan Clarke (later Murray). See enigmatic Joan Clarke talk about Alan Turing's proposal of marriage. Includes rare photograph at Bletchley Park. It is an extract of a 1992 Horizon programme 'The Strange Life and Death of Dr Turing' directed by Christopher Sykes.

[@learningcubanspanish]

I found it particularly moving, this account from someone who is clearly a very private person. I thought she was beautiful.

[@KerryHoward]

I've added a new photograph of Joan Clarke from 1936 on my website here www.bletchleyparkresearch.co.uk/have-you-seen-photograph-joan-clarke-from-1936/

[@Fredster05]

Kerry Howard really appreciate the efforts of your uploads....great contribution for alan turing recognition of his work

[@riparianlife97701]

It's so nice to see how we've evolved in such a short time.

[@SirGeeSantos]

Long way to go, though.

[@riparianlife97701]

G. Araujo I was raised to hate gay people. I became an advocate at about age 18, and I've been so much happier. People just need to realize that hate is hard work.

[@hdaaap]

wonderful person...i loved the film

[@jonathanmcaleece9834]

I feel sorry for Joan. It must have been a heartbreak.

[@DistantCousin]

Oh bless her!! And I love her delightful pronunciation of the word "homosexual"!!! (A word I, and some friends have "reclaimed" for ourselves, in a very tongue in cheek sense!!). Wonderful Alan. I hope to direct "Breaking The Code" one day...

[@josephcote6120]

How absolutely stupid is it that there is still prejudice?

[@techtalkaiforbusiness2900]

What a legendary man was Alan Turing.... Alas...Sometime humanity have a limitation over society.

[@ticotechhouston4917]

Alan Turing - betrayed by the country he saved

[@kiahmadison8541]

I played Alan in school in the play about his life. It's cool to match a face up to Joan now. Rip Alan🏳️‍🌈❤️

[@marianam4765]

All the success is due to a collective mind, with small " sparks " of individuals.

[@mahmoudwali2963]

Great man

[@Nox.INkRecords]

Alan Turning. A one of a kind; Beautiful mind.

[@truehope2344]

His death was a crime against humanity. People are so cruel to everyone and everything thats different. It hurts so bad to know that he could have had a perfectly normal life if it wasn't for the ignorance of the people around him.

[@davidfisher3684]

The caption at 2.31 is incorrect: Good is the last to appear and, as has been pointed out elsewhere, his initials are wrong.

[@KerryHoward]

+David Fisher Have finally updated the video description to show the correction. Thanks for your comment.

[@sonasingh131]

so much love for Alan Turing

[@Entertainmentvv]

Alan turing 😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@mckeypunapat6830]

It's so beautiful Memories. Adore you.

[@dhaioleon7509]

Hi, I would like to ask you something, did Joan Clarke find out why Alan Turing broke up with her ? because as far as I know in the movie he brokes up with her to protect her but did he ever told her about it after the war or before killing himself ? and did Joan Clarke regret herself for not marrying him instead of John Kenneth Ronald Murray ? by the way I wanna thank you for this awesome video now Alan Turing is my hero just love his story :D

[@l.m.5974]

Five years later, in the unusual case that you still want your question answered: According to Wikipedia, yes, Clarke knew why Turing ended their relationship. After proposing marriage to Clarke in 1941, Turing came out to her and broke off their engagement later in the year. I cannot answer your second question, but I pray that Clarke found happiness in her marriage with Murray from 1952 to 1986.

[@johnnythreefour2902]

Doesn't look quite like she did in the movie..

[@pingpong2456]

the glasses can make a difference

[@johnnythreefour2902]

Ping Pong Yes, that's probably it.

[@josephk1342]

Johnny Threefour ...ever heard of actors?

[@victorouy6377]

+Joseph K ever heard of sarcasm?

[@josephk1342]

miniboy 08 no

[@patricias5122]

What a pity, also, that the genius women who also worked at Bletchley Park were not given the opportunity to fully live up to their potential.

[@destinytouthers2920]

xD I'm here because of the movie imitation game too

[@hugojj101]

Joan's really sweet. What a great interview.

[@alanhindmarch4483]

Alan Turing, my Hero.

[@scottmacd31]

That's how we treated heroes in this country,it's still a fucking disgrace to this day

[@thedanceclub1121]

I think that most of the people who become successful is because of the fact that they know ,what matters to a person, but ignore what actually matters. It's too deep bruh

[@petergrman3205]

All respect to codebreakers and all people working on it or be involved.I was lucky to see Bletchley park b4 movie and it was impressive I felt this was decades of technological advances machine created back than !!!! And most importantly help finish war earlier together with Czechoslovakian pilot's 2 .I am happy people of Czechoslovakia help 2.

[@anadorsamp3560]

He was a genius! !!

[@thedanceclub1121]

Everyone here is showing me how influential cinema is

[@AdAm-dd4jq]

I wish I’d known him.

[@glardian966]

It's Professor I.J. Good btw, not L.J. His name is Irving John Good.

[@KerryHoward]

+glardian966 Thank you for your eagle-eyed viewing. I have updated the video description to show the correction.

[@peter22564]

Sometimes it is the people no one imagines anything of who do the things that no one can imagine As a London chauffeur I had the pleasure of driving Benedict Cumberbatch then 5 years later I actually drove Alex lawther who played the young alan Turing I couldn’t of got benedict 120 miles up the motorway without my satellite navigation system on my phone people come into your life for a reason or a season or a lifetime live love and leave a legacy thank you Alan Turing

[@electrikkingdom]

The last line is crazy. If they found out he was gay they probably would have fired him and they would have lost the war. They tortured him for being gay after the war. And it goes on to this day all over the world. What a waste.

[@Jonathanbegg]

They would probably have fired him because he would have been a target for blackmail. It's ironic that many gays have the brilliance and subtlety to make good spies, but also this Achilles heel of blackmail.

[@primeshlok]

Queen granted "pardon" whereas she should have been the one apologizing

[@malltraeth100]

The Apple logo has been linked to Alan Turing, the pioneer of modern computing, due to a popular myth that he died in 1954 after eating a cyanide-laced apple.

[@smartchip]

Brilliant people,b Park, life has taught me that keeping my ego in check, meditation on the now, that people are a combination of their genes and their experiences, so, everyone is unique, knowing someone can or cannot do something is sophistry mostly to yourself, I am not reading through this, so make of it what you will,

[@NavdeepKaur-gw1br]

Oh God,we lost a diamond due to orthodox mindset 😒😓😓😢😢

[@Entertainmentvv]

Because uk government rules 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@RareCandeh]

This makes me smile, it reminds me of my grandparents when they would tell me their escapades when they were younger. I quite enjoy the presence of senile people.

[@patricias5122]

What a nasty comment. "Senile people." indeed.

[@alexanderying1558]

Who are the two men?

[@blacklion9352]

Who is hear after watching imitation game

[@vinista256]

Turing was persecuted after the war for being homosexual, and Oppenheimer was (although not nearly as badly) for his communist affiliations. Ironic that individuals who contributed so much to the Allied war effort would be targeted for the same reasons the Third Reich would have used. True, they weren’t sent away to death camps, but we could have done better by them.

[@ecem2620]

I come here after watch film .

[@noddye1764]

Wanna hear a joke ?Maurray!!!!!

[@georgeabermeth3682]

If Alan Turing had not done his duty and his magical talent , we might be speaking German and drinking Schapps

[@xus9380]

came here after the imitation game

[@shirleynitka5030]

so sad. He was a handsome man.

[@thedanceclub1121]

Are you telling me that if he was not handsome or would not have been sad

[@boun4056]

Quelqu’un à la traduction française ?

[@irispark1381]

Wait so she got proposed and next day he said he's homosexual. And she just "carried on" wtf? Carried on what??

[@beingrealistic7152]

Watch the movie U will understand There are much more things above relationship

[@Jonathanbegg]

Carried on with her valuable work, and eventually married someone else after the war.

[@jeremyherbuela884]

Let us not ignore that fact that joan want to be with him whether he is gay because being normal is caring to each other and she said that in the movie

[@miftahfarid7430]

Aing neuleu video iei saenggeus neuleu film The Imitation Game

[@halfblood7]

Genius minds

[@WDP24069872]

In reference to the last man " ad he been fired, we'd of lost the war. It's a bloody pity he wasn't fired, THE WAY HE WAS TREATED, CHEMICAL CASTRATION JUST BECAUSE HE WAS GAY!!! He'd of stood more chance of survival had he been a soldier. This story makes my blood boil.

[@dickyt1318]

Turing by accounts did 'blab' about his war work to the young man with whom he had a relationship which indirectly led to the Court case and his conviction. His discussing his work like that was a breach of the Official Secrets Act. Of course the prevailing thought at the time was that being a homosexual would lay you susceptible to blackmail to give up the secrets you possessed, that and you would undoubtedly have an unstable personality.

[@Pussik]

The person perhaps id like to meet the most.

[@bastav8162]

people think sex is love marriage is love .Your (g/b)f is one's love.No that's wrong real love is care.Care for one another.We all fall in love with a reason maybe to show our friends maybe to feel like a king .But is it love is actually a deep connection and when allowed to connect with genius can achieve anything .Love always need not be between a boy and a girl.I always love my father ,my friends and will always do.No shame what the generation will say because I was born alone and will die too my lover won't die with me will she?

[@jimmurray2965]

Absolutely shocking how this absolute GENIUS was hounded to his death!

[@zozoalarife6579]

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[@julianmoore9140]

Clearly the way Turing was treated post-war was appalling. However, IRO of LJ Good's comment toward the end, I suspect the probability that he would have been fired if security had known he was homosexual is fairly low, and think it quite likely that security DID know. They would have been concerned that he was a security risk due to the possibility of blackmail, but would have recognised his 'military' value and been pragmatic. It was hardly a rarity, especially in public schoolboys. In times of peace the military has had anti-gay witch-hunts at times, but less so during WW2 it needed all the help it could get and generally turned a blind eye. This was true all the way up from 'cannon fodder' privates to public figures involved in morale boosting work like Noel Coward and (less so) Ivor Novello - it was an open secret they were gay, and whilst this may have been a factor in Churchill dissuading the King from his desire to give Coward a knighthood I expect the King was aware of his sexuality when he proposed it.

[@notused.]

Thank you for your eloquent and comprehensive analysis. It is so easy to read and explains it so well.

[@fabi05040]

Smart woman

[@angellicat.n.g2382]

alan turing is enigma

[@RealSurvival-qi9hh]

"GERMAN MILITARY messages enciphered on the Enigma machine were first broken by the POLISH CIPHER BUREAU, beginning in December 1932. This success was a result of efforts by three Polish cryptologists, MARIAN REJEWSKI, Jerzy Różycki and Henryk Zygalski, working for Polish military intelligence. Rejewski "reverse-engineered" the device, using theoretical mathematics and material supplied by French military intelligence. Subsequently the three mathematicians designed mechanical devices for breaking Enigma ciphers, including the cryptologic bomb. From 1938 onwards, additional complexity was repeatedly added to the Enigma machines, making decryption more difficult and necessitating larger numbers of equipment and personnel-more than the Poles could readily produce. On 25 July 1939, in Warsaw, the Poles initiated French and British military intelligence representatives into their Enigma-decryption techniques and equipment, including Zygalski sheets and the cryptologic bomb, and promised each delegation a Polish-reconstructed Enigma. The demonstration represented a vital basis for the later British continuation and effort.[3] During the war, British cryptologists decrypted a vast number of messages enciphered on Enigma. The intelligence gleaned from this source, codenamed "Ultra" by the British, was a substantial aid to the Allied war effort.[4]" from Wikipedia/ Enigma So, British did not beak ENIGMA !!!! She was broken befor WWII, they only developed plans and ideas given to them by POLES!!! This is the truth that they can not swallow until present day!!!

[@Tonyv1951]

This is true, BUT what you don't mention is that the Enigma machine was later developed by the Germans and another wheel and plug boards were added, vastly complicating the decryption process. Harry Flowers the Post Office Engineer and others developed the machines with Turing's help which became the first electronic computers.

[@nickcranny2980]

I'm as straight as a Carbine Barrel, however I am not anti Gay just because I'm straight, that would be like being racist because I'm white and I'm not racist either! What I do know, is that it's only really since the 19th Century that Gay people have been thought of as a 'Security Risk' if the Spartan's and Romans had been anti Gay they wouldn't have had an Army! The way Turing was treated is shameful and particularly after the War when his homosexuality became basically a means to engineer his destruction by the authorities, I believe simply because he didn't fit the established mold for the sort of man who could possibly have assisted the allies in winning the war, he also seems to have paid a price for the fact that some of the Cambridge Spy Ring were homosexual, and they thought it made you more likely to hate your Country, WHERE is the evidence for that I wonder, I haven't seen any!

[@Tonyv1951]

I doubt that any of the people who prosecuted Turing and sentenced him had the least idea of what he had achieved in the war. The whole matter was a complete secret until the late 1980s. My mother during WW2 as a young woman was one of the women who handled the encrypted messages that had been taken down by wireless operators. She worked twelve hours a day typing into a teleprinter coded groups of letters from handwritten wireless intercepts. Till the day she died, she had no idea what they were. This secret was total. Turing was prosecuted like thousands of other gay men for acts which were described as 'gross indecency'. As backward as it now seems, it was the law.

[@DistantCousin]

Interesting point. And yes gay people have only started to be treated as "subversives" etc by the powers that be since the Victorian era and the so called morality that came with it. Sadly we are still living with the legacy and hang ups that were borne out of that time, in 2021!!!!!!!

[@ashish_wanderer]

world did the same thing to him what the world did to galilio

[@bobbypaluga4346]

Join Judy Garland as women who were hopelessly in love with gay men, called Mission Impossible, this rocket ain't gunna arise. Sadly London police hounded the man to death, the man who saved their sweet asses

[@gopal0073]

Sorry to write that people nowadays think making sex make you more relax and give you power to study more but this man made it already wrong .

[@kathirk3260]

If she were really concerned why did she leave him when he needed her the most ? She should have married him

[@Golfballtauchen]

Bullshi*

[@twalrus1]

The sad thing is that right wingers are close minded and still get a vote.

[@GORT70]

I remain unconvinced he was gay. What mr. cumberbach did very brilliantly is to show what asperger’s looks like in reality. He displayed all the signs and symptoms. With that, it is common knowledge that people are designed to have both physical and emotional connection needs, and when they cannot get them the way they should, the need will have them searching in ways they should not.

[@DistantCousin]

What a ridiculous comment. Don't try and pathologise your innate prejudices.

[@angellicat.n.g2382]

After brake up with Alan Turing . Later Joan to be wife Murray.

[@shobhakumari6523]

A Genius just died bcs he was Homosexual & People didn't { Accepted } it

[@jimmyjohnston8287]

ALL LYING. CAN'T ACT. TOO MANY PAUSES.

[@georgebuller1914]

jimmy johnston: She's HOW old? She doesn't need to act - she lived it for real........F*ckin' Trolls.......

[@Tonyv1951]

Idiot.

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