My Largest Water Rocket Yet

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@AirCommandRockets
@AirCommandRockets 10 ай бұрын
Great video! Looks like Gamma IV is flying pretty well. If you could push the pressure to 100-110psi I think you would get pretty nice performance. Happy to provide air at appropriate pressure if you bring it along to one of the NSWRA launches. :)
@arro_rockets
@arro_rockets 10 ай бұрын
Thanks! Means a lot coming from you guys :) I definitely agree that adding a little more pressure will definitely have it flying better, I'll be sure to borrow some air at future NSWRA launches to save me the pumping!
@thesovietguttercat3302
@thesovietguttercat3302 10 ай бұрын
Although I only spent a year or so making water rockets, I got the same impression that the psi was a little low. At 80psi it's struggling to get the weight of the rocket and water moving. If they were to stick at 80 I'd suggest they'd get a longer flight time from reducing the amount of water onboard. If they were to use a polyurethane like Sika 11FC and rough up the seams, the joints should be good for atleast 120psi.
@CDRaff
@CDRaff 10 ай бұрын
I have always described the sound of a drone as "a million angry wasps" and I'm glad to see that the bees agree.
@ptonpc
@ptonpc 10 ай бұрын
It never occurred to me that bees would think of a drone as sounding like a wasp.
@olasod1
@olasod1 10 ай бұрын
During the late 80ies and 90ies we had plastic bottles in Sweden with thicker plastic. They was reused from by the soda manufacturers several times before they was classed as trash. They had the same threading as our scuba bottles. We hooked one up to our scuba compressor and it exploded at 50 bars (+700 psi). They were heavier but it would have been fun making a rocket like your with those bottles. A bit dangerous though 🤣👍🏼
@musiqtee
@musiqtee 10 ай бұрын
Tip from steam boiler pressure tests; Do the (over-) pressure test with water only. It’s incompressible, so no explosion on failure. If you can’t use a water (hydraulic type) piston pump, maybe try with 98% water in the rocket, and then pressurise as normal. A failure will produce a hefty water spray, but less of a dangerous explosion. Besides, a failure from water pressure alone will enable better “forensics”, as the pressure vessel is way more intact after failing. Great work anyway, just thinking out loud here…😊👍
@larrybremer4930
@larrybremer4930 10 ай бұрын
I so agree with you. Those bottles are very dangerous when containing pressure. People have been maimed and killed by blowing up those bottles by sealing dry ice in them.
@matthewferos
@matthewferos 7 ай бұрын
How we pressure test PE pipe as well.
@1943L
@1943L 10 ай бұрын
This reminds me of a water rocket I was bought for my birthday when I was a teenager. Super idea you have developed.
@dannyneumann4547
@dannyneumann4547 10 ай бұрын
Your channel has the coolest background music of any DIY channel I've seen
@arro_rockets
@arro_rockets 10 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@abcdefg4570
@abcdefg4570 10 ай бұрын
Nice build! I used to make these a couple of years ago. I found that a good pressure is around 8-9bar for plastic bottles spliced like this, although they handled upwards of 11 bar. I used polyurethane construction glue, (sikabond t2). In the beginning, I had exactly this same issue of the rocket not having enough power, as I put way too little pressure into it. Just like some others mentioned, increase the pressure, and it should work! I designed and 3d printed both 8mm gardena-type nozzles, as well as using the 22 or something mm hole in the bottle. Both worked, but the larger hole made it go slightly higher, although it didn't look as cool. I am lucky to still have my eyesight, as 16-year-old me did not believe in safety goggles, and stood a half a meter from the rockets, releasing the firing mechanism with my fingers..
@Alan_Hans__
@Alan_Hans__ 10 ай бұрын
Very nice. I'd suggest wearing earplugs or earmuffs and safety goggles when pumping up the bottles from so close. The bang when bottles let go is a very serious bang.
@arro_rockets
@arro_rockets 10 ай бұрын
Agreed! Goggles were one of the things I intended to have but unfortunately left behind on the day! That said I kept the rocket pressurised to a relatively low pressure because of my proximity to it and because I was confident it was not going to blow at that pressure
@missyandmartinbakalorz1725
@missyandmartinbakalorz1725 10 ай бұрын
I used to experiment with these when I was younger. Mainly ones I bought, but one or two (much smaller, just one bottle) I built as well. Had a 2 stage one I bought as well, loved that one. Years later I came up with a 1.5 stage design that I never got around to building. Concept is this: Stage 1 (the sustainer stage) is basically like your Gamma IV, it could even be a bit taller containing more water/air since it doesn't even need a thrust to weight ratio of over 1 at launch. Stage 0.5 (the boost stage) is a cluster of 3 to 6 bottles that are optimized for high thrust and thrust to weight, but short duration. So, the booster stage is very short height (only 1 or 2 bottles tall, each bottle same diameter as sustainer stage , and no (or as minimal as possible) restrictors on the nozzles, free flowing. Tying it all together is a base plate that holds the boost stage bottles together in a ring around the sustainer. The bottom of the sustainer stage rests in a cradle/hole in the base plate, and the fins of the sustainer stage stick out between the bottles of the boosters. The launch pad will need to be more complex, since starting/releasing all rockets at exactly the same time is critical. guessing some sort of similar system to what you use, but with spring loading that pulls all cords at once. When launched, the boosters accelerate the entire assembly rapidly off the pad, but run out of water only 10 to 50 feet off the ground. (the sustainer stage is also spraying the entire time from launch, but since it has a more restricted nozzle and contains much more water, its contribution to the thrust at launch is minimal, and it is only 10 to 20 percent depleted when the boosters run out) At that point, the booster falls away since it is no longer powered, and the lower but continued thrust of the sustainer stage is enough to pull it away from the booster assembly. and it continues on independently.
@CRVcomponents
@CRVcomponents 10 ай бұрын
Noce launches, can’t wait to see the improvements. And that poor drone was crazy.
@arro_rockets
@arro_rockets 10 ай бұрын
Thank you! Thats the second time a drone has been victim to the bees (or vice versa). Any ideas of what you'd like to see with water rockets?
@ВячеславЯницкий
@ВячеславЯницкий 6 ай бұрын
наш живчик
@magnusalsuedi
@magnusalsuedi 10 ай бұрын
I would recommend using eye and ear protection when pressurising spliced bottles (probably any bottles really). I had a splice fail once on the pad around 6 bar and it was very loud and my ears were ringing for a good while after. Like you I started with 3d printed bottle caps and a garden hose connector, my launch rail was just a simple steel rod, maybe 5mm or so, with sections of soda straw taped to the rocket to run along it. After I got access to a lathe the very first project I turned was the heart of a full bore water rocket launcher. It's essentially just a suitably sized tube with grooves on the outside for a pair of o-rings to seal against the inside of the bottle neck. I use a circle of zip ties where the heads act as claws holding down the flange on the bottle close to the threads. These zip ties are are held in place by a spring loaded outer ring that is pulled down by the launch cord to release the rocket. Anyways, full bore rockets accelerate very fast and there is no need for any proper rail (though my launcher has a tube exrending into the bottle, not sure if this matters, it just seemed like a good idea). The downside of full bore is that it doesn't look quite as cool as a rocket slower off the pad, but the performance is way superior to anything I ever achieved with a restricted nozzle.
@Positive_Altitude
@Positive_Altitude 10 ай бұрын
Great vid! Don't know much about water rockets, but for me, it seems like there should be a little bit more trust-to-weight ratio for this rocket, the start seems slower than it should. Maybe less water, more pressure, or a bigger nozzle would work better! I think there is a lot of space for improvements and it could be fun!
@arro_rockets
@arro_rockets 10 ай бұрын
Thank you! Water rockets tend to suffer from a lack of acceleration due to the high mass of the water (taking up about a third of the volume). You can definitely improve this by using a higher pressure which is certainly something I'll try! (went for a lower pressure for the test flight just to be safe). Also increasing the nozzle diameter increases the flow velocity, which improves acceleration, but that would require completely new launchpad infrastructure.
@polrty
@polrty 10 ай бұрын
really underated video man enjoyed it allot !
@arro_rockets
@arro_rockets 10 ай бұрын
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it :)
@ptonpc
@ptonpc 10 ай бұрын
Very nice build. It's great to see you experimenting and building.
@thorinti
@thorinti 4 ай бұрын
Excelente vuelo!! Me suscribo 👌👌
@Pexon_Mid
@Pexon_Mid 10 ай бұрын
Great video I really enjoyed watching the whole process.
@Azr0n-40k
@Azr0n-40k 10 ай бұрын
He needs more subs!!!!!
@winstonsmith478
@winstonsmith478 10 ай бұрын
Shouldn't the 'chute attachment point be placed further forward to avoid a nose down attitude caused by rearward center of pressure caused by the fins instead of further back as I believe you said? You would thereby be putting more of the mass rearward from the attachment point, better overcoming the drag of the fins moving the fin section upward.
@arro_rockets
@arro_rockets 10 ай бұрын
Yes absolutely, only noticed that mistake after uploading!
@smellycat249
@smellycat249 10 ай бұрын
Your doin better than that Arca space program
@arro_rockets
@arro_rockets 10 ай бұрын
Don't know if that's a particularly high bar 😂
@daviddavids2884
@daviddavids2884 10 ай бұрын
good work. larger parachute. result: descent rate and the affects of the fins are reduced. d
@arro_rockets
@arro_rockets 10 ай бұрын
The damage was only really caused by the nose-down attitude of the rocket, and since the rocket has such high drag and surface area, I'm confident the parachute isn't the issue, just the shock cord placement :)
@shenkclan
@shenkclan 10 ай бұрын
As part of science fair project my son and I took a single bottle rocket added stratofins and a supplemental nose cone with altimeter and tapped a keychain camera to the upper section. We were able to achieve a 300ft altitude with a pretty simple rig at 120psi. We only launched once at that psi normal preassure for launch is 80psi which would get 200ft flights pretty easily. Recovery was simply a tumble recovery. Over the launches we added a shock absorbing mount for the altimeter and had to replace the upper electronics bay at least once. Interested to know hat altitudes your new rocket reached.
@mearsm50
@mearsm50 10 ай бұрын
How about stretched elastic bungee to give it a boost off the rail? It seems that most of the propellant is used to get it moving. Leting the rocket take over when getting to free air may give a considerable boost.
@arro_rockets
@arro_rockets 10 ай бұрын
Interesting concept, implementation sounds like a challenge tho!
@bubbleobill267
@bubbleobill267 10 ай бұрын
How long until we see five backyard rain water tanks as pressure chambers?.
@malenkiybog
@malenkiybog 10 ай бұрын
Cool T-Shirt
@suetaylor1127
@suetaylor1127 10 ай бұрын
Dude you should market this as a toy. Your prolly the only one that’s ever achieved this so you know the secret of building them.
@MatthewZelek-iv8tb
@MatthewZelek-iv8tb 10 ай бұрын
It’s a whole hobby that has been around for decades. He says it in the video, he bought his nozzle from a supplier.
@ntshade8806
@ntshade8806 10 ай бұрын
i remember making one when the internet just became a thing
@tranhuyhoang6312
@tranhuyhoang6312 7 ай бұрын
I think you should keep a board close to the tail of the rocket to optimize lift and you should add additional springs to optimize thrust when lauch the rocket
@just4callplus
@just4callplus 10 ай бұрын
I enjoy your experimental content
@jrrarglblarg9241
@jrrarglblarg9241 10 ай бұрын
Very cool build. Keep experimenting. I’ve flown Estes rockets and my first launch of my first F-motor rocket flew exactly like your Launch 1, and for exactly the same reason, sticky launch rod and thrust causing torque between top and bottom lugs. Expensive and embarrassing to do at a rocket club.
@mikelakner5622
@mikelakner5622 10 ай бұрын
What about dry ice vs compressed air? The controller could release it into the water. Add a valve at the exhaust end that does not open until the controller senses a proper amount of pressure.
@Battlefresh
@Battlefresh 10 ай бұрын
I was thinking the exact same thing. We used to blow up oversized 3 liter bottles with dry ice and water and the boom was tremendous. It must have been at least 200 psi before bursting. You could easily adapter a pressure gauge to the fill cap which will freeze the max pressure reading. Then build a release valve which opens just below this value.
@alexandrelerestif
@alexandrelerestif 10 ай бұрын
It seems to me that the majority of the energy is being used in the very beginning of the acceleration phase. If your objective is to make the rocket go as high as possible, maybe you should consider a second propulsion method for just the first meter or two of the flight. Like a long spring (steel or rubber) or maybe something driven by pullies and weights. It would act as a “booster” and would probably make the rocket go much higher.
@paradiselost9946
@paradiselost9946 10 ай бұрын
at that point its cheating... lol. and theres still the issue that the water IN the bottle has to actually STOP. then accelerate the other way. its going UP. it has to be accelerated DOWN to get the BOTTLE to go up instead.
@hasan-m9o8x
@hasan-m9o8x 10 ай бұрын
here before this blows up! so coooollll
@arro_rockets
@arro_rockets 10 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@JRJetMan
@JRJetMan 10 ай бұрын
Enjoyed watching you develop and expand you're water rocket's thanks for sharing. Have you considered a catapult as a launch rail? If you could make one work successfully It would accelerate the rocket off the rail much faster when it needs it most for no weight penalty to the rocket itself, just a thought.
@jrrarglblarg9241
@jrrarglblarg9241 10 ай бұрын
Combining the down-pull on the connector with a release for a spring in the rail to push the rocket like a nerf dart as the water starts making thrust is my thought.
@arro_rockets
@arro_rockets 3 ай бұрын
I apologies for the dodgy audio at 4:27, had to cut out some copyrighted music!
@stuartpatterson1617
@stuartpatterson1617 2 ай бұрын
I'd use loose rings on the launch rail for less friction. Nice RTL at the end :)
@timhochstetler
@timhochstetler 10 ай бұрын
what about adding two air pressurized tanks on the sides and water in the center tank, would look like the falcon heavy rockets and give you longer thrust?
@arro_rockets
@arro_rockets 10 ай бұрын
You're totally right! That's actually been done before by Air Command Rockets and I'm sure others. Basically having three cores where the two side cores pump pressurised air out the top and connect to the top of the centre core, pushing the water out.
@tomsalzano8120
@tomsalzano8120 10 ай бұрын
Tons of fun man. Would it be worth adding a silicone tubing powered 'shuttle' to launch the rocket off of the rails ( sort of like an aircraft carrier launches planes, albeit at low-power / low-tension so as not to rip the launch lugs off of the rocket, yet still prevent hangups on the launch rail.....and preserve internal thrust energy from the rocket, so that it would be applied to achieving higher altitudes on the launches instead of dissipating that energy on the launch rails ? ). Either way, looks like LOADS of fun !
@daviddavids2884
@daviddavids2884 10 ай бұрын
oh. you mean a BUNGEE. might be worth trying.
@arro_rockets
@arro_rockets 10 ай бұрын
Seems to be a popular idea considering you're the second person to suggest it, sounds very cool, just tricky to implement!
@Bob_Adkins
@Bob_Adkins 10 ай бұрын
If there is room in the AL channel, very thin HDPE tape may work better than silicone lubricant, or both may work. There is always going to be wobbling causing misalignment problems in a long channel, rings may work better. There used to be 2-stage toy rockets that would go OOS. I want to say there were even 3 stage ones, but don't remember.
@Smokkedandslammed
@Smokkedandslammed 10 ай бұрын
Self landing water rocket??
@Game-in-tosh
@Game-in-tosh 5 күн бұрын
Nice your channel , after my mind hauls to develop and innovation research about rocket propulsion types , your channel is highly Appreciated ❤❤❤
@simonabunker
@simonabunker 10 ай бұрын
Nice work! It might be worth doing a burst test to see how far you can push the pressure up. I think there is PET specific glue that can get a really good join. If you wrap with tape (or fibreglass) you could probably go even higher. Probably better to do any pressure tests filling it entirely with water - it's a lot safer as it is incompressible. I guess you know about Air Command Water rockets website/KZbin channel? Lots of really great information over there!
@arro_rockets
@arro_rockets 10 ай бұрын
Yes bursts tests are always a good idea. Unfortunately pressurising that high is a challenge with a bike pump, and the proximity to the rocket also makes working at those higher pressures a little dicey. That's why I stuck to a relatively low pressure that I knew would work and wouldn't be too dangerous (80psi). This rocket could definitely perform better with higher pressure. And glass tape or fibre glass would be an excellent way to increase pressure! As for Air Command Rockets, I have been watching their videos for many years now, and they were the ones who reached out and suggested silicone lubricant on the launch rail :)
@simonabunker
@simonabunker 10 ай бұрын
@@arro_rockets I had a lot of problems with a cheap Kmart pump - then I got a mid range pump from a proper bike shop and it got a lot easier! Proximity is definitely an issue - I am not sure about the connectors on air compressor hoses. Haven't tried a launch in ages!
@arro_rockets
@arro_rockets 10 ай бұрын
@@simonabunker Bike floor pumps are definitely the way to go for a manual solution. I know Air Command Rockets use a scuba tank which certainly speeds things up
@colinrousseau8803
@colinrousseau8803 10 ай бұрын
@@arro_rocketsGreat video! Love to see your futur content! I actually designed and flew a similar but lower volume water rocket, about 1 year ago. We were hoping to reach an operational pressure of 140 psi on our splices. Hence I did multiple and multiple burst tests with different glues and techniques. I finally developed a technique able to withstand 180 psi but 160 before permanent deformation. Without using fiberglass, which is much easier. I have a few tips if you ever need some in that regard. I'd love to talk to you about your deployment system, I've encountered many problems with mine. Keep up the great work!
@jozefnovak7750
@jozefnovak7750 10 ай бұрын
Super! Thank you very much!
@oldschoolman1444
@oldschoolman1444 10 ай бұрын
As a child of the 60s we had small hand pumped water rockets that would go up about 70 feet. I'm sure they don't make them anymore with all the safety crap, ah the good old days!
@DKG1NDP
@DKG1NDP 10 ай бұрын
the glues joints look like the joints on that titanic sub that imploded
@javidancool8308
@javidancool8308 9 ай бұрын
Would like to have steps for kids, something like projects for starting engineering at 5 th grade. Great vid btw
@arro_rockets
@arro_rockets 9 ай бұрын
Thanks! That's an interesting idea
@MarcBossYT
@MarcBossYT 2 ай бұрын
Really cool
@MatthewZelek-iv8tb
@MatthewZelek-iv8tb 10 ай бұрын
I’ve seen great success with internal launch tubes instead of external launch rail. Basically launching the rocket like they do off an aircraft carrier. All that inertia before you start using water can give you a lot higher launches.
@Johnellenberger1
@Johnellenberger1 10 ай бұрын
Very Cool!
@Dr.Coconut1245
@Dr.Coconut1245 10 ай бұрын
do you do any simulations for your flights, or is it just a build and see? I’m coming from model rocketry where i use openrocket to make sure my design will actually fly. this is really cool, and seems way more approachable and affordable than solid rocketry.
@arro_rockets
@arro_rockets 10 ай бұрын
That's a great question, and I highly recommend you get into water rocketry (I have a lot of videos covering how to get started, especially with the launcher mechanism). In terms of simulating water rockets, there are simulators online where you can plug in the basic details of your rocket and get a rough estimate. OpenRocket will always be more accurate since it takes into account the aerodynamic properties of the airframe. So, in the video called "Solid Rockets vs Water Rockets" I developed a program which can generate water rocket thrust curves, and then inputed them as their own engine file into OpenRocket to get a complete simulation. Sounds complicated, but there's are report in the description of that video which covers it in more detail.
@tarstarkusz
@tarstarkusz 9 ай бұрын
Do you think the nozzle is both too big and dirty? I would think you need an extremely smooth nozzle that is smaller than the one you are using.
@jayflow7949
@jayflow7949 10 ай бұрын
This is Absolutely Amazing!!! I Think Make One From Carbon Fibre & Use A Big Electric High Pressure Water Pump Which You Can Make From Most Cheap Water Blasters!!!! There’s Some KZbin Videos That’ll Show You How Too Do it & it’s The Safest Way Too Increase Pressure 1000 Times Than V1 Much More Powerful Even Make a Dual Chamber With Different Fluid Vessels That Work independently or in Sync…. I Had a Small Toy Version As A Kid!!!!
@Alex_science
@Alex_science 10 ай бұрын
Very nice. What kind of glue do you use to glue the bottles?
@arro_rockets
@arro_rockets 10 ай бұрын
Selleys liquid nails
@bunnykiller
@bunnykiller 10 ай бұрын
next step, use pressure tanks from paint ball guns and the trigger mech to act like a valve... and if you have the funds, try the 4" dia. medical oxy tanks ( good for 2000psi) use a scuba tank to fill them.... watch your pressures tho....
@arro_rockets
@arro_rockets 10 ай бұрын
Sounds terrifying haha
@blipco5
@blipco5 10 ай бұрын
You need to employ some sort of coil spring to get that rocket started off the launch pole.
@teweldemat
@teweldemat 10 ай бұрын
I speak for cameras: having the rocket you’re filming pee on you hurts the ego more than being blown away by a shockwave.
@alanjohnstone8766
@alanjohnstone8766 10 ай бұрын
I think you should abandon the outside guide rail for an internal metal tube that is attached to your gardenia filling attachment. ie the air comes out of the top of the tube. During launch the pressure is forcing against the top of the tube creating massive acceleration even before the water starts to be pushed out. If you do the math this is the most efficient way to use your precious air pressure and turns the need for a stabilising frame from a negative to a positive in getting the rocket higher.
@dod180
@dod180 10 ай бұрын
You have the room I would go with a larger shoot to slow the decent and soften the impact
@foamboard_shenanigans
@foamboard_shenanigans 10 ай бұрын
Awesome video! And a great way to get into model rockets in Australia. Good luck with the future projects.
@arro_rockets
@arro_rockets 10 ай бұрын
It's perfect in the summer months when the weeks are often riddled with fire bans!
@foamboard_shenanigans
@foamboard_shenanigans 9 ай бұрын
​@@arro_rocketsi have looked for expanding liquid nails at bunnings but I can't seem to find it. Is it sold under a different name like fast grab or waterproof ? I have the bottles and all the bits apart from the adhesive. Thanks!,
@arro_rockets
@arro_rockets 9 ай бұрын
@@foamboard_shenanigans I used Selleys liquid nails from bunnings --> www.bunnings.com.au/selleys-320g-liquid-nails-original-construction-adhesive_p1233751. I can't recall if I used the heavy duty variants or not but the original should work fine. I hope you're able to track it down in store! And one thing to look out for when using liquid nails for this is to make sure to get an even spread as you push the bottles together and avoid air pockets, you can help yourself with that by making sure the shrunk bottle is not warped in any way (that was the issue with the Gamma III). Best of luck with your rocket building! :)
@Sir-Dexter
@Sir-Dexter 10 ай бұрын
nice work ...
@waaggzz2871
@waaggzz2871 10 ай бұрын
mate my dad has built these for years and they go alot higher than that.. 100psi charge limit. you can make a multi stage rocket also by using a bolt to hold the bottles together, with the bolts hollowed so they are 1 big chamber. this multi bottle rocket goes about as good a single rocket. how my dad launched it was with a fork lift and bungee cords. the bungee cord held a plug with o ring in the nozzle under tension. there was a bike valve fitted to the top bottle to charge it, the pin would fall out the nozzle as it reach the top of the forklift and away it would go. ill have to ask my old man how many bottles was used i was very young back than. but i think it was around 6 or 7 2L coke bottles.
@RickyD1968
@RickyD1968 10 ай бұрын
Very cool !!!!!!
@nv7213
@nv7213 10 ай бұрын
Why don't you 3d-print the frame pieces to increase stiffness and make it look more professional?
@B0aws
@B0aws 10 ай бұрын
This was great! Please do make more, but most importantly, take good cear of yourself
@arro_rockets
@arro_rockets 10 ай бұрын
Thanks! Let me know the kind of things you'd like to see!
@charlesspringer4709
@charlesspringer4709 10 ай бұрын
Teflon or Delrin rail "beads" or T shapes. It would be cool to find polycarbonate tubing about twice as think as the soda bottles and triple the pressure. You make me want to try this with PVC plumbing pipe. It can handle much higher pressures than the water pipe rating because it has to take water-hammer and other effects. 4" PVC pipe has a minimum burst pressure of 1100 psi or 7650kPa. 3" is 1200psi.
@Tonyloeffel
@Tonyloeffel 10 ай бұрын
good comments and suggestions below. I suggest filing back the rail guides a little so they are not a snug fit. All your reasoning sounds good, just loosen it up a little.
@KennethScharf
@KennethScharf 10 ай бұрын
Instead of the aluminum extrusions as a launch rail, I'd probably try using a 1/4 - 3/8" thick piano wire with an aluminum tube attached to the rocket to slide over it, like the old Estes launch system. How much water do you use, ie: whats the air/water volume ratio? Also what's the max PSI you've used? I wonder if a two stage, or parallel stage water rocket would be possible?
@lavafootpodcast1147
@lavafootpodcast1147 10 ай бұрын
What model of the Nikon camera are you using?
@arro_rockets
@arro_rockets 10 ай бұрын
It’s a Nikon D3300 :)
@lavafootpodcast1147
@lavafootpodcast1147 10 ай бұрын
@@arro_rockets Awesome, Thanks!
@sptrader6316
@sptrader6316 10 ай бұрын
I think a bigger parachute, would minimize damage, regardless of how the rocket landed. (landing slower = less impact).
@robertstark3326
@robertstark3326 10 ай бұрын
With the pressures you're at I believe you should have choked flow. I think the nozzle geometry might be critical to performance. I recommend 3D printing various nozzle geometries (which you can research). I bet you can easily double your performance. Nice video, keep up the water rocket research. One of the first things I bought myself with my own money was a water rocket. I loved that toy. But it isn't a toy, really.
@arro_rockets
@arro_rockets 10 ай бұрын
At the relatively low pressures I was working at for this test flight, I'm certain that simply a larger nozzle diameter would've provided a higher (granted short term) acceleration which would have probably been more ideal. But obviously the 9mm nozzle still worked which was my only concern, and meant I could use the hardware I already had. Tricky thing is with using garden hose fittings is that it limits what geometries and diameters are available, so to experiment with that, I'd have to make new launcher mechanisms, maybe a future project! :)
@winstonsmith478
@winstonsmith478 9 ай бұрын
How about having the nose cone/recovery section just friction fitted to the top water reservoir, having the 'chute attached just to the nose cone/recovery section and that section attached to the top reservoir with perhaps a meter's length of 1/4" elastic band of the type used in sewing as a shock cord. The rocket would then come down base first.
@arro_rockets
@arro_rockets 9 ай бұрын
I've used a passive deployment system similar to what you describe, check out the "Solid Rockets vs Water Rockets" video if you're interested. Problem with it is that it's quite finicky and pretty unreliable, especially with water rockets and not just air rockets
@UnitSe7en
@UnitSe7en 10 ай бұрын
A tight dovetail is the worst rail you could have. So much friction even if lubed and quite intolerant to offset forces forcing a twist causing binding. Swap it for a simple tube with a slit and an easy-fitting post down the middle. The rocket will find it's own way straight off the rail - It doesn't need to be a high-tolerance fit. The rail isn't for guidance to keep it straight, it's just to stop it falling over before aerodynamics start acting so that's all you have to make it do.
@arro_rockets
@arro_rockets 10 ай бұрын
For this rocket and other water rockets I agree that perhaps a different rail design might be more suited since the tolerances are worse on such a flexible, and changing airframe (as it pressurises). However I wouldn't say the rail I was using is the worst in general since 10/10 extrusion is the standard used in model rocketry
@TheAdeybob
@TheAdeybob 10 ай бұрын
I suspect the rocket body is bunching up and flexing when the thrust initiates, causing the guide pins to rattle up the guide rail. I'm not sure of the efficacy of it, but adding a middle guide pin might help distribute the forces - and I'm also thinking an inner bladder might provide better rigidity and allow for less bulky seals along the body..?
@mrrob7531
@mrrob7531 10 ай бұрын
Looks like you had a few pre mature explosions if you catch my drift.
@rabitrees9709
@rabitrees9709 23 күн бұрын
Try putting 2 fins on nose cone????
@AlexFoster2291
@AlexFoster2291 10 ай бұрын
Why do you launch on 1?
@joejoejoejoejoejoe4391
@joejoejoejoejoejoe4391 10 ай бұрын
Soft foam nose cone?
@EUPThatsMe
@EUPThatsMe 10 ай бұрын
Soap you say... how about using micro fine particles such as Diatomaceous Earth?
@TheAdeybob
@TheAdeybob 10 ай бұрын
flexing. Another guide in middle might sort it...or an inner bladder to add rigidity? Bladder with appropriate physical attributes should also allow you to pressurise the bottle-walls more.
@andreassittig2772
@andreassittig2772 9 ай бұрын
Am I the only one who was hoping for some of that logged barometer data?
@lonewolfhamradio
@lonewolfhamradio 10 ай бұрын
Wow great engineering skills 😮 I used to make water rockets when my kids were little, nothing this sophisticated though, just an old coke bottle with a sports cap lid, big inner tube valve and an air pump 😂
@arro_rockets
@arro_rockets 10 ай бұрын
Thank you! And I've made my fair share of single bottle rockets, they're good fun!
@gliderrider
@gliderrider 9 ай бұрын
I used a plastic straw and a steal rod on my water rocket. Your mounts might be to heavy. Also I used some dish soap. My movies are on my channel but about 15 years ago.
@gliderrider
@gliderrider 9 ай бұрын
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@markmedia8252
@markmedia8252 10 ай бұрын
What is your local councils laws on Rockets and do you need any insurance incase it causes and damage
@arro_rockets
@arro_rockets 10 ай бұрын
You don't need insurance or special permission to launch low-mid power rockets or water rockets. Anything more than that, launching with a club is advised, membership fees covers insurance (last few videos I've made have been with a club)
@btrocketry3736
@btrocketry3736 10 ай бұрын
Better to have a broken fin than a broken nose especially if you're carrying a payload or a camera on the way down.
@arro_rockets
@arro_rockets 10 ай бұрын
Exactly, that's the idea of the horizontal landing I was aiming for!
@g.maryenko
@g.maryenko 9 ай бұрын
Лайк за тризуб!
@arro_rockets
@arro_rockets 9 ай бұрын
слава україні!
@g.maryenko
@g.maryenko 9 ай бұрын
@@arro_rockets Героям слава, брате!
@GridPowerLLC
@GridPowerLLC 10 ай бұрын
Why not use PVC pipe?
@UhhMyBadd
@UhhMyBadd 10 ай бұрын
Try using a new nozzle
@phillipbellgreen592
@phillipbellgreen592 7 ай бұрын
Your rail buttons are too fair apart. Think maybe 2x the rocket diameter apart, as close the CP or CG would ideal? Your buttons are nose and tail, very far apart creating friction.
@arro_rockets
@arro_rockets 7 ай бұрын
That's a point I haven't heard yet! Thanks!
@feelincrispy7053
@feelincrispy7053 10 ай бұрын
I liked the video but it really didn’t need to be 18 minutes long
@johanrheeder1640
@johanrheeder1640 10 ай бұрын
How about using carbonated water instead...
@techtinkerin
@techtinkerin 10 ай бұрын
Dont mean to be nasty but that was bobbins 😂
@matthewdawsey9892
@matthewdawsey9892 10 ай бұрын
Water isnt ideal for a rocket exhaust, because water is incompressible. The water isnt being accelerated through the nozzle very much.
@matthewdawsey9892
@matthewdawsey9892 10 ай бұрын
Try pressurizing the bottle with just air, and add a cd nozzle on it.
@arro_rockets
@arro_rockets 10 ай бұрын
@@matthewdawsey9892 The water is actually a critical component, there's a reason why water rockets are such a common type of rocket. Like you mention, the exhaust velocity is very important for performance, however another component of the thrust equation is the mass flow rate (quantity of mass flowing through the nozzle), so water adds this critical mass to the exhaust, which inherently provides more kinetic energy. You're correct that water is incompressible (which is ok) and also has quite a large mass, so the compromise for water rockets is approximately 1/3 water and the rest air by volume. I've launched this rocket and other water rockets with just air, and the results are much less impressive due to fact air doesn't have a high mass density.
@BABALOOEY46
@BABALOOEY46 10 ай бұрын
Are you working on a compressed rocket without safety glasses??? Tut tut. 😊
@swigsher005
@swigsher005 10 ай бұрын
the only thing that i focussed on the video is your ukraine symbol shirt
@arro_rockets
@arro_rockets 10 ай бұрын
I'm Ukrainian :)
@swigsher005
@swigsher005 10 ай бұрын
@@arro_rockets Wow but it's the first time i've ever seen ukrainian speak english fluently like you
@lesykyavorskiy7630
@lesykyavorskiy7630 10 ай бұрын
"Zelenskiy will call you"
@kennethschultz6465
@kennethschultz6465 10 ай бұрын
WD40 Pffff is for stainless steel .. it is not like in N O T at all a lubricant... SILLICON SPRAY. use TEFLON PtFe rail nob´s ... why doe´s nobody make a sepret air pressiur tank who injekt high pressiur air in truh nossels in a wentury nossel so water get added speed.. it is like a water jet under water doe´s not push as hard as a waterjet pusking off the water surface.. any on knows this..
@arro_rockets
@arro_rockets 10 ай бұрын
I used WD-40 brand silicone lubricant, not just regular WD-40, which is fine for aluminium :)
@kennethschultz6465
@kennethschultz6465 10 ай бұрын
@@arro_rockets yed sorry ... it lok´ed like regular wd40 ...!!! i like your design.. but if you seperate water and air and first blend them in the venturi nossel.. so you feet more air in the water for better thrust.. misty air push harder.. try a regular water hose and make a hole in side .. 5cm from the opening .. push air nossel in hose and open for air .. you get way way more power... on air and water.. make a test.. you can even make a small tube with air injector on side ... just look up venturi nossel .. it accelerate water air pressiur... and water speed/presiur.. push harder longer
@esahg5421
@esahg5421 10 ай бұрын
excellent 👌 video, now go FREE PALESTINE ✊
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