My mistake! Lets re-test the PCIe NVMe adapters, on a REAL PCIe 3.0 slot this time!

[@l4nc]

Respect for correcting your own mistakes!

[@ex-itguy]

Thanks!

[@Compact-Disc_700mb]

Cool now we have results on PCIe 2.0 and 3.0. Good video

[@ex-itguy]

Thanks!

[@keithej2]

It's also easy to run out of available PCIe lanes. My adapter was running slower than expected until I realized it was only using 2 lanes. My graphics card was only 8 lanes so I bifurcated the PCIe bus to 8x4x4 and have plenty of lanes now.

[@ex-itguy]

How'd you do that if I may ask?

[@45KevinR]

Well done for the retest. Those speeds are nicely mid range according to the Passmark article I linked in the last video. So it's good to see that these super cheap adapters aren't adding any extra limits to the pcie/nvme pathway. Well done for reminding people that not all slots are equal, or even the same generation. I read recently that there can also be bridge/buffer/latency differences, so it's probable to see speed differences between motherboard models, chipsets and even slots that are identical versions.

[@ex-itguy]

Thanks! Yeah I figured it would be a good idea to show. Also, I wan't even sure since I couldn't find much info on this board (I believe it's from a Medion pre-build). The Intel H110 specs state PCIe 2.0 but I read somewhere else that this board does 3.0 so I took the gamble. I do see that other boards with this chipset also have one 3.0 slot and some 2.0 slots so I guess it's bound to that.

[@cptcrogge]

The IOPS rate is still much higher than with an SATA SSD.

[@ex-itguy]

Good point!

[@larsenmats]

I was wondering after your last video. The speeds didn't make sense. So good that you have this update. Also, when buying adapters like these it's important to read the documentation of your motherboard. What speeds the slots are and stuff. In many cases slots share bandwith with other slots, so if you use more than one of them a x4 slot may switch over to x1. Also, seen some motherboards with x4 slots share power with the lower M.2 slot. So if you occupied that M.2 slot the pcie x4 slot would be disabled. I have a couple of x4 M.2 adapters, and I made sure to read the documentation of each of my motherboards before I bought them. As an example, in my B550 board the x4 slot (full length x16, but uses only x4) shares bandwith with two x1 slots. So if I occupied any of those two x1 slots the x4 slot would also run at x1. Now, it's running x4 pcie 3.0. Giving me over 3GB/sec. On my other PC, which has a more modern motherboard there are two x4 (full length x16, but only using x4) slots that shares bandwith. So if I used more than one of them they will switch over to x1. However, since it's a more modern B760 Intel motherboard I get pcie gen.4 on those slots.

[@ex-itguy]

You're right, but for some boards info is hard to find. The one I got to make this video with comes from a pre-build and this doesn't have any documentation other than a small bit of info on a community site.

[@CapTVchilenaShootingStarMax]

As long as you have a CH341a programmer (or similar), you should be okay with modding UEFIs from that time period. I use one of these PCIe NVMe adapters on an Ivy Bridge OptiPlex, and adding the NVMe module to the UEFI enabled me to boot from the NVMe drive.

[@ex-itguy]

Richt, no I don't have one. Might be interesting to get one indeed. When I worked at the computer shop (decades ago) we just picked another board of the same model of the shelf to fix bricked boards. Booted the working one, pulled out the cmos chip while running and put the bad one in to reflash it. :) That's not an option in my attic room haha

[@LeadFarmer813]

@@ex-itguy best get something better faster than ch341a.. like EZP2023 or XP866+ bios intel 1st gen and up need Clean Intel Management Engine to transfer to new pc.

[@evilman667]

Yes that’s my kind upgrade! As low budget as possible. (I’m still using a computer from 2012😅)

[@ex-itguy]

To be honest, a 2012 system is still fine for most things I do as well 😄

[@hazimreitz]

A man of his words, I like!!!

[@Matlockization]

If you use 2.0 PCIe ports, then will that bandwidth be taken away from the overall system. Does your setup go through the chipset ? Anomalies that developed though your boot process in this video should be discussed further, as I believe would add more value and to future video's.

[@ex-itguy]

Anomalies like turning off without a boot device? I guess that's just a weird thing about this board, not really worth digging into. The slow speed the first time... I have no idea. I tried several times but it didn't go well until I put the card in my old test system again.

[@Matlockization]

@@ex-itguy I guess a reboot fixes most old software issues. Does using the 2.0 port take away from the sum total of bandwidth allocated ?

[@ex-itguy]

@@Matlockization I have no idea, I couldn't find much info on this board. If you know a good way to test that I'd be happy to learn from you.

[@Matlockization]

@@ex-itguy I have no answers as well, only to say that what you're doing is very interesting that's why I watch your videos, all the best.

[@ex-itguy]

@@Matlockization Thanks! It's a valid point though, and sure something to look into. :)

[@s1oplus-k2i]

We are lucky to have pcie!

[@toucan221]

Good work, it does help when you use a Real PCIe slot on a Real computer, either way Thanks ✔✔✔✔😀😀

[@RANDOMNATION907]

Wait . . . what is this Ventoy you speak of ?

[@ex-itguy]

What else did you expect? :) Edit: read that wrong haha. First hit on Google. You can make a bootable stick with it on which you can just dump iso files. Most Linux distros work with it, as well as Windows. :)

[@RANDOMNATION907]

@@ex-itguy Thank you. I will definitely research it.

[@ex-itguy]

@@RANDOMNATION907 You're not the first one to ask. Maybe I should make a short video about it. On the other hand it's pretty easy to setup once you know where to look for it. :)

[@nijisr5360]

the safest way to windows boot on unsupported nvme machine is using clover tho, modding bios is way higher risk to brick the motherboard unless u have tool to flash bios rom

[@cieknie]

Respect man :)

[@ex-itguy]

Thanks! That means a lot coming from the first one to call me out on my mistake. Thanks for pulling my head out of the sand!

[@cieknie]

@@ex-itguy As a guy from Poland I didn't know this metaphore about pulling head out of sand. I had pre-stroke watching the first run on your new setup :) You know why :D

[@ex-itguy]

@@cieknie not a native English speaker either (i'm Dutch) but as long as we understand each other we're fine 😄 You meant because of the fan? Yeah that was a bit dumb haha

[@cieknie]

@@ex-itguy No - I meant poor performance with "unplug and plug again" solution :D

[@ex-itguy]

Ah yeah. Not sure how that happened. As you might have seen, the mouse/framerate stuttered severely as well, but that could have been caused by my capture unit (Magewell DVI+). I did try just pushing it and try again but that didn't help. There second time I tried the stuttering was gone as well... Computers can be so damn unpredictable sometimes...

[@russbetts1467]

Looks like I shall be changing my mind and buying an adaptor for my older PC, so that I can run it with an NVMe M.2 SSD.

[@JeremyLeePotocki]

Yeah those M.2 to PCI-E X1 adapters are only good for PCI-E 4.0 ports. On 3.0 port it's fastest speeds will only be 1GBps at best (even still 800~850MBps is normal). With a 4.0 port it's double that top speed (2GBps). I have to tell people this a lot especially those that want to upgrade their SSD on older hardware to not waste their money buying a gen 4/5 NVME SSD when their motherboard only has Gen 3 ports (like the Steam Deck) your paying all that extra money for zero gains due to hardware limitations. I got a X1 NVME adapter, but since I only got a X1 3.0 slot available on my motherboard. I just bought for it a ultra cheap Low Powered Gen 3 NVME with a max speed of 1.8GBps read/write speed for storing media backup files (they don't need to ultra speed anyway). That leaves the other M.2 SSDs for stuff that really need the speed.

[@ex-itguy]

Yeah on 3.0 the X1 isn't really worth it. Maybe to get rid of a few cables, not really for speed.

[@tibo5078]

Best goed van jou om je eigen fout te verbeteren! Dat is best een goed moederbord voor een leuke test pc! 😊 1:32 Dat is een speciale gpu 😅

[@ex-itguy]

Niet helemaal gelukkig met het bord eigenlijk, die ga ik nog wel een keer vervangen. Maar in ieder geval weer een generatie omhoog. :) Volgens mij zeg ik daar wel cpu, maar met een door verkoudheid veroorzaakt spraakgebrek haha

[@tibo5078]

​​@@ex-itguy Oei 😅 Dan wens ik je veel beterschap met je verkoudheid!

[@ex-itguy]

Dank je!

[@romainhue2736]

ok but where is the gpu not possible 😅😅😅😅

[@ex-itguy]

Yeah on this board that's an issue. I will probably get a full-sized board later as I now have to choose between a decent gpu and the NVMe drive. So... I will go with a sata ssd for now. ;-)

[@onederdude]

What music did you use for the video?

[@ex-itguy]

The background music? I have bought "Cinematic Soundwaves" a while ago, and usually just pick a few from that library. :)

[@jlmpc8733]

when installing the cooler, u installed it correctly, then you loosened the pins for som reason. The cooler is not properly attached

[@ex-itguy]

Oh sh*t! I guess I remembered wrong from installing them decades ago (the design hasn't really changed since s775). I looked up instructions and it seems you're right!

[@ex-itguy]

I have just cut the few seconds in which I did that out of the video using KZbin's trim tool. Thanks for noticing!

[@jlmpc8733]

@@ex-itguy haha, cool trick xD

[@ex-itguy]

@jlmpc8733 No one will eeeevah know 😆

[@helmut3356]

THX

[@acreamymoose]

Why do I recognise these from Acer PCs, especially the 7th gen Intel Nitro "gaming PC" line up?

[@ex-itguy]

That board? It's from a Medion pre-build (Medion is an Aldi brand, I believe).

[@acreamymoose]

@ex-itguy Apart from the front panel connector being different on Acer, it's exactly the same. But be the same board manufacturer for both system builders.

[@ex-itguy]

@acreamymoose Could very well be indeed, the Medion site has ECS before the part number so ECS has probably made these for several OEMs. :)

[@sidjay7644]

Brilliant

[@Benjamin_wong2024]

😊😮

[@cyberbetica]

UNLIMITED POWER!1

[@ex-itguy]

Hahaha, if only that was true! 😅

[@LeadFarmer813]

now test crucial p5+ or T-705 on pcie 4 vs 3 (just kidding.. waste of $)

[@ex-itguy]

That _is_ a waste of money. A gen 4 drive on the other hand costs the same as a gen 3 or even a sata ssd ;)