My problem with using Min-Hee jin & NewJeans as an example for idols who are mistreated by a company

[@Haifa386]

As an hr student I learn every day how misinformed people are on management and business topics, workplace unprofessionalism doesn’t mean workplace bullying or harassment. Also new jeans and Hani have not provided any proof that it isn’t more than a two time thing by two different people or different statuses within the company

[@g2231-v2p]

True. We have yet to have clarity about BPD not greeting them. Did he see or hear them? Being polite and socially acceptable is doubtful on his job description. Forcing a person to speak to another person in greeting is a violation of their rights. He has the right to not say hello to whomever he chooses. Polite? Maybe not. But still his right. Also this is Hanni’s second time doing this accusation w no proof. Seventeen was her first. They look like spoiled brats that ran wild, then were asked to follow the rules and now- throwing a tantrum.

[@moonlight_antonio]

@g2231-v2p Absolutely right, we don’t really have any confirmation on exactly why he didn’t greet the girls, it’s my belief that he didn’t greet them because of the girl’s sticker prank and maybe some other things as well. I know it’s been said that BPD has face blindness, but I don’t think that’s the reason why he didn’t greet them, I honestly think it’s because NJ we’re acting out the way they were. And then there’s a question of, is not greeting the girls considered mistreatment, or a sign of neglect? Which is something that MHJ’s side brought up

[@Haifa386]

@@g2231-v2p100% agree

[@Haifa386]

⁠@@moonlight_antonioyeah he was most likely pissed at them because their alot of instances of bpd being friendly with the other hybe groups to the point that they make fun of him and even svt who he meet only a couple of times added him in the joke ver of god of music

[@g2231-v2p]

@@moonlight_antonio I agree, this is all fueled by MHJ. I really don’t get how the manager -ignore her -situation was ALL MHJ and 0 new CEO. People just skim over that and it’s quite amazing. I have heard the face blindness thing. Idk. I do know that sometimes people that are very intelligent often aren’t the best at social skills. Steve Jobs was supposedly quite the horrible human. But to me people like that are fine because they aren’t there to make friends or stroke people’s ego or insecurities. The National Assembly was a huge mistake on many levels.

[@geekyreader34]

I heard NJ lives in a penthouse and occupy the best floor in the building even above bts . They’re supposed bullying is ridiculous

[@leyang4807]

They also have their own private make-up studio to themselves that they DO NOT need to go to the 4rth floor like every other HYBE Artists do in the first place. MHJ had them isolated from the rest of the HYBE Artists so it would make it easier for her to claim ADOR as independent from HYBE. They don't use any of the online platforms that the rest of the Artists do either. This was the power BPD had mistakenly given her when he made her CEO. He put so much trust in her not knowing she has other plans all along. Luckily all her plans to take over the company dating back to 2021 was aired out and HYBE takes action. Any press conferences that they do, only showed you that they are taking every steps as MHJ had done. They are following in her footsteps and the Tokkis are eating it up. Calling everybody else names, just like MHJ would herself.

[@moonlight_antonio]

And then she put the blame of the isolation of NewJeans on BPD…. When it was she herself who isolated them. And because of K-pop fans preconceived and justifiable frustrations towards companies for mistreating idols, it was easy for her to sell her narrative to the public because she knows how fans feel about companies, so she just used that to play on peoples emotions and take her side. It’s a master class in manipulation and spinning a narrative.

[@moonlight_antonio]

It’s an unfair exchange, she views the fans as too gullible and stupid to actually look into the matter and see the faults and flaws within her own narrative, whilst the fans view her as a positive female figure in the K-pop industry who stands up to the corrupt system and defends “her girls” from big bad Bang PD and HYBE, And a champion of feminism. I guess the fans forgot that she called them brainless…

[@geekyreader34]

@ i agree. Its just all nuts. I also don’t care for NJ spoiled attitudes. We cancel our contract but will continue working . Working what? All the contracts are under ador not NJ INC lol. Its just insanity. Technically i feel Ador and hybe are within their rights based on NJ breaking their contracts multiple times already to give them the boot. But they know since sk society hates hybe which i don’t get why they are trying to at least publicly be the nice guys. Although i think they have receipts and plenty to defend their positions in court . So im not worried about ador or hybe or big hit

[@moonlight_antonio]

Exactly

[@sephirothswh0re598]

Mind you, this whole thing between MHJ and HYBE had nothing to do with NJ in the beginning. NJ pretty much inserted themselves into a situation that did not concern them. Now we are here watching their careers sink faster than the titanic.

[@OGseoulite]

No! Wrong! The girls were inserted into this thanks to MHJ bringing them into it and using them as shields. THEN eventually started to speak on their own behalf but that was only AFTER MHJ started using them as her base for her lies & allegations. To blindly ignore that the girls didn’t willingly get into the mix until AFTER MHJ primed to do so, then you’re ignoring the issue with MHJ using them in the first place.

[@Queendom-jd9ln]

They don't know the word maturity & humility. They only know how to complain & not to adapt to any changes or challenges in their environment. How many artists Hybe has & no one complain, only them. U know Hybe invest alot of money to them more than Le Sserafim. They trying to twist that story💀💀.

[@Literally_dangeleeen]

They are mistreated, but they have their own app , all where brand ambassadors early on in their careers , had a brand endorsement with iPhone , had their own luxury apartment ( from the looks of it , didn't look like it had bugs but who knows I wasn't their ) and their own company on the 16th floor of hybe's building , I think mhj spoiled them to the point where now , since they have new staff they are mad because they can't have their way, and you know most times idols are the victims , im still sad over jonghyunand sullie, but new jeans from what i seen havent suffered nothing really

[@ArmantoAlex13]

The big 3, Kakao, the media, fandoms - all of them - have been trying to take down Bang and BTS since the day he formed Big Hit and they were trying to break into the industry their OWN WAY. The media: they were/are pissed they’ve never been able to make money off of Big Hit and now Hybe, which has become bigger than all of them put together. For 10 years, they’ve all been trying to take them down.

[@ERICASHANNON]

...And now that Hybe is a conglomerate, it boils their blood. In their eyes, Bighit and BTS were NEVER supposed to be this successful and surpass the other K-pop agencies.

[@ArmantoAlex13]

@ Exactly! The David became the Goliath and the media hasn’t ever been able to cash in! KARMA!

[@illyrianaa]

Preach, preach, preach. Mhj was always a trojan horse sent in and paid for to try and take BTS's company down from within.

[@rachzainhass]

@ArmantoAlex13 exactly look at the SM hate train for le sseffim like the grape and death threats for Coachella singing the bots from kakao about Suga Illit and le ssefim. The are also trying to send BTS and Bang PD for all the money he made recently which he paid the majority in taxes. They are neither Diddy type of famous people or Cheabol legacy money. A Fandom created a powerhouse and from then the have been trying to crush them

[@jinusamyukthap9568]

@@ArmantoAlex13 exactly the funniest thing is ppl Ignoring Kakao Sm ties and chart manupilation

[@meilichankan9282]

All I'm gonna say is, they are lucky they aren't under SM. SM would have pulled a TVXQ case so quickly on them

[@wongpauline22]

@@meilichankan9282 this!

[@jenniferluquette5285]

One incident does not bullying make. It is so frustrating the misuse of this word. Bullying is constant, consistent mistreatment to cause mental or physical harm. If what she is saying is true (which I don't believe), one incident happened. That is an incident NOT bullying.

[@mikamischief1239]

There is a group right now, MADEIN, where a member was assaulted by the CEO and forced out when she went public, and the other members were threatened to not say anything after the CEO told their parents he would leave. Crickets, especially from these so-called advocates. Instead of writing a fanfic to create martyrs out of bad actors, why not help some actual victims? Because it was never about victims or who was really wrong, or they'd have cut MHJ out of their rants ages ago, especially after what she said about those girls they are "defending" so hard. They don't want to help artists; they just want an album.

[@missmoonstone6260]

This story is giving me Amber Heard déjà vu. The wild abuse allegations to the press but then once it goes to court absolutely no proof. I hope this case goes to court quickly.

[@sephirothswh0re598]

I don't understand how they can have a hate-boner for HYBE while simultaneously supporting other companies through their groups? Do they forget the dark history of other companies (SM/YG/JYP/Starship/Cube, etc)? They have done far worse than HYBE and continue to do so (I'm looking at you SM & YG). If you are going to hate a company for something, at least be consistent and do so with the others who do the same, if not worse.

[@randomuser-nt9if]

exactly and the fact that bts or txt or enha havent even spoken about things they have experienced they havent pulled a stunt like this hence why i think its all fake af media play

[@joyeetaghosh2209]

What they did

[@LiV-BaNgTaN]

@@joyeetaghosh2209 SM have literally let idols die under their care not to mention as we speak people are boycotting them for their mistreatment of seunghan from riize 😭

[@sephirothswh0re598]

@joyeetaghosh2209 There is so much that happened over the years with those companies way before Hybe was even created. HYBE has not done 0000.01% of the things they have done. From mistreatment, blackballing, slave contracts, and sabotage to embezzlement. I'm only going to give you 2 examples here. You can look up the rest on different k-tuber channels. Just look up things like "K-pop company mistreatments," and a lot of videos will pop up. It's a lot of dark and shady stuff. 1.) Back in the day, YG had a girl group called Swi.T. The CEO, Yang Hyun-Suk, married one of the members. One day, he was watching a variety show about one of his boy groups. He saw a little girl in the background and said he fell in love with her. Mind you, she was like 12 or 15 at the time (not sure. I just know she was a minor under 15). She was the sister of one of the boys. He recruited her into his company as a trainy with the promise of debuting in a group and fame. Once the girl's group was doing well enough, Yang Hyun-Suk sabotaged the group because he thought that once she and the group became famous, she wouldn't look at him. He essentially ruined this young girl's and her group mates' careers and then married her afterward. 2.) SM sabotaged INFINITE's career. Back then, INFINITE was gaining so much success and was a big and direct competition to EXO. So SM bought INFINITE or their company, Woolim (I'm not sure which. Probably both). SM damaged the group's future projects and eliminated them as EXO's competition. They bought the group just so they could ruin it. These 2 examples are just a summary of what happened. You can look up detailed videos. They are very easy to find on KZbin.

[@sephirothswh0re598]

@@joyeetaghosh2209 Just look up "K-pop company Mistreatments." There are so many detailed videos on them. HYBE has not done even 0000.1% of what they have done. If you watch those videos, you would think HYBE is an angelic company.

[@oroichi215]

This started because of mhj violating the law (embezzlement, breach of contract, etc).....with mhj to get the public on her side...use nj as a shield....then drag other groups so the anti's would boost the bunnies number My problem with nj....is demanding mhj for reinstatement...even though that person violated the law

[@nhjeihdu]

So true - how do you demand that another employee be reinstated yet you are not even a shareholder. Btw I would like to see them own companies and see if they will take any bullsh*t that they have been doing and spewing. However, in the meantime, when you tell lies, you always have sleepless nights regardless of how you come and fake it that everything is going smoothly.

[@tejaswijetti7924]

so ture....i agree 10000 percent of what you said cause everyone forgetting that this issue is about mhj violating and betraying hybe and they confronted it, but she said hybe did it cause , hybe doesn't want those girls growing big and so many lies and made it as nj and illit plagiarism issue..................................she smartly diverted the case to something else, on top of that those girls supporting her and saying hybe bullied them is like????my goddd.....they are lucky they are under hybe not some other companies, especially SM who have their artists committed Su!cide and all, that company failed to protect their artists.

[@stekf956]

New jeans must looking for their rights. But let's be honest, did this fight start over mistreatment by the company? NO. It started because mhj accused illit of plagiarism. So for me, new jeans is just using this to get out of the contract. Now imagine losing your entire career because you don't accept another group concept. I think it's a suspicious move, it seems that mhj was just waiting for the right moment to be able to become independent and take nj with her.

[@Dssd0608]

@@stekf956 it actually started because Hybe caught min hee Jin trying to enact a hostile takeover of ADOR - planning to steal NJ from ADOR and leave it an empty shell, while simultaneously courting investors to help her buy the remaining 80% from Hybe after they tanked it. Something not too different looking from what is happening right now, actually… there has been a lot of this conflict that has followed the plans she talked about in those kakaotalk messages in the takeover audit… everything else afterwards - Illit/ LSF, being greeted by BSH / Illit - it is all scorched earth tactics, following her plans from 2023 to the letter - as in, we got caught, so we might as well go all out before they can get a case together enough to give us consequences 🤷‍♀️

[@zv8365]

This whole fiasco started because MH/ tried to steal Ador.

[@noushilhouvum9720]

It's more than stealing ador if one considers her kakao text messages

[@minperi6276]

This did not start of the plagiarism issue, this started when mhj and some of her employees was audited for embezzlement and trying to take over hybe/ador. Then she tried to deflect on to someone else (Illit)

[@stekf956]

Yeah, i agree!

[@sephirothswh0re598]

I've said it from the very beginning that they were lying about it all. I've said the things that you and 2 other K-pop creators have said. The reason why I said they were lying is because 1.) they said someone saying "ignore them" is mistreatment🙄 2.) They are supporting MHJ despite her history with inappropriate interests in regard to minors. 3.) They accuse Ador/HYBE of everything MHJ has done and did while she was still CEO. The things Ador/HYBE allegedly did were her doing. (Delaying NJ debut. Inappropriate dance training and song. Plagiarism etc) 4.) They hold everyone (Ador/HYBE/Dispatch/other staff) to an incredibly unreasonable higher standard than they do MHJ. 5.) They are hypocritical. When an employee came to MHJ and told her that she was SA'd by another employee, what did she do? Fire the victim without doing any investigation. She also allegedly s3*ually harassed another employee. What? It's okay for MHJ to mistreat and dismiss people, but not others? She has done everything they accuse Ador/HYBE and more. When will they call her out and hold her accountable? 6.) Making unreasonable demands (bring MHJ back despite HYBE showing proof that she is a traitor. Wanting to terminate contract without paying the fee. Etc etc etc) 7.) They NEVER show evidence despite saying they have it.

[@Stay_Zerose]

Two things can be true at once, the Kpop industry can be abusive, predatory and all around terrible, AND MHJ and NJ can be lying for personal gain

[@nunuihnamte9274]

After two years of debuted they got Deasang and their Ego is getting hight and they thought they had a power like BTs .. and they want the company treat and respect has of bts

[@Queendom-jd9ln]

@@nunuihnamte9274 aggreed. They are the only artists who complained & not humble.

[@simple_me5283]

No,that girls just want mhj

[@minperi6276]

Never never never gonna happen. to get respect you have to give it. They don't know how to respect or know the definition of humility. They was handed a silver spoon from the beginning. BTS worked extremely hard for years to get where they are now and those girls have not done 2% of what BTS has done.

[@mona.cabocmona303]

The higher you fly, the harder you fall.

[@yonnie11594]

The hate toward bang pd is fueled by fatphobia.

[@bourjoism3917]

BSH is skinny now and looking good..I think these people are just envious and jealous of BSH and BTS

[@meilichankan9282]

This. I get it you don't like him but what does that have anything to do with his size. They do the same thing to the new ADOR CEO. They call her pig, ugly fat woman and so much worse. Like, weren't we advocating for women empowerment?? It's truly disgusting

[@moonlightpaw5868]

It’s kind of sad they call him disgusting and make fun of him because he is far. Even Hanni is bullying him

[@bourjoism3917]

@ you know Korea is the country of bullying so why are you surprised??

[@bourjoism3917]

@ Hanni herself is big so no one should take her seriously and don’t worry about BSH people have been mocking him since long time

[@bbwalk100]

Someone who is being bullied is not a one time occurrence.

[@lemonaidebey6190]

Kpop fans don't see idols as humans. They see them as angels! They really can't be a fan if they don't see them as angels. Every situation is black and white to kpop stans. Learned this from t-ara and snsd stans. Tokkis are just being culty like other fandoms. Majority of Kpop stans are insane lol

[@ArmantoAlex13]

What’s been going on between Hybe and MHJ is NOT a “petty fight”. This is about MHJ’s attempt to hijack Ador and bring down Hybe while BTS is in the military. Hybe / Ador is doing what they SHOULD be doing - protecting their assets; they have to answer to their shareholders. Hanni tried to deliver an Oscar winning performance at the NA but it didn’t work. She’s a liar about that ‘bullying’ incident. Why didn’t Hanni come forward when it happened to her, not when they were hatching their plan to exit Ador. They need a comeuppance! All this was always about MHJ being removed as CEO.

[@geekyreader34]

Mhj was planning on destroying big hit , bang pd and bts before Hybe

[@ERICASHANNON]

@@geekyreader34 You and I are on the same page. I don’t think she was alone in this plan.

[@judithmean362]

@@geekyreader34 bang pd is way faster to make bighit independent. So she had no choice but to build another label which it's ador.

[@tinaaikaa77]

New Jeans big problem that many dont even understand is, that Ador was its own entity run by Mhj. So, if there was mistreatment, overworked etc, it was all under Mhj and done by her. The new ceo has been in power since june and NJ has not worked much after that, just done their advertising and those schedules. So, they only can complain about stuff that has happened after Mhj left. And thats why they arent complaining anything related to not getting paid or starving or overworked. Because that would have been Mhj doings. Hybe had no power over Ador, Mhj wanted them to be separate in all. And when I look at those complains they made in their letter to Hybe, every part was very smart complaint. Even Hybe said in their answer, they cant do anything to most of those issues. The complain that Hybe didnt protect them from other groups manager? Its another company, what can Ador do but to ask them to clarify it and try to clarify it. If you work in a company and a staff from the company next door says something against you, what can your boss do about it? Talk to the other company boss and ask them not to do it again. The most unbeliavable thing was to say that Ador is downplaying NJ achievements because of those japan aöbum sales. Ador only corrected their sales when their whole albumsales were said to be purely japan sales. It was the right thing to do, are you saying they should take part of the lie to overhype NJ? But the main claim that remains is appointing Mhj and that Ador just can and will not do. Bang pd stepped down from the ceo position, armys didnt care at all, even if he had a big part of making Bts in the beginning and producing their stuff etc. Armys didnt go to the barricades and start a war and neither did Bts held a press conference asking him to come back 😂 As long as Bts is taken care of and getting paid and doing their music, who cares, who is their ceo? Its very sad to see an artist ruin their life for one person who can be replaced with just as competent ceo.

[@rafaelsmith5737]

The last part is so true 😂

[@Literally_dangeleeen]

I think a lot of people need to know that maturity comes with experience , not by age , they might be adults but it doesn't mean they are mature ( someone who is the same age as hanni) And can we remember that new jeeans breached contract first by making their press conference, they weren't fighting new jeans or even talking about them , they were in court with mhj , they only stepped in after the board had kicked her out of her position, where their ultimatum wasnt even about the mistreatment or to better the workplace , they literally threaten hune to give mhj her job back , and threaten belifts manager , but everytime hybe responds the fanbase ways attacks them ,mhj was the person who started this whole mess and why it became this way, and even then they were the first ones to say thst hybe/ador breached their contracts, from what i remember i dont even think hybe wsant even focused on their contracts at first , people have been trying to take down hybe ever since the beginning, its because hybe started off as a very small company , in korea groups from smaller companies are laughed at or frowned down upon , and bts went through alot of bullying because they were this boy group who were very "cocky" from the beginning , and people got made because bts made it big , and they made hybe who went from this bankrupt company to one of the richest companies in korea , and after that they started to build ither smaller companies off the ground , so basically its egos and superiority complex that hurt them , bts proved everyone who talked down on them wrong , and the groups who were ahead if them arent even relevent anymore

[@zaingel8112]

Exactly, that is my problem with putting all the blame or the main blame on the company for what is happening, it was a bad business move for HYBE and one I'm sure they are going to learn from, but they don't owe nothing to NJs that isn't in their contract. The well being of the girls and their futures is responsibility of their parents and the girls themselves, that's why I believe the parents are to blame. They should have protected and educated their daughters to avoid exactly what is happening. It's not difficult to see how lacking they are with their education. The way they have spoken and acting shows signs of manipulation, which can be recognized if you have experienced or witnessed that. But, they also clearly don't understand what professionalism, bullying and businesses are. NJs should just be an example of why kids shouldn't debut, instead of examples of mistreatment. NJs should honestly, take a break from the entertainment industry and focus on their education, because they are just a risk to themselves and others.

[@Literally_dangeleeen]

@zaingel8112 oh yes , with me both of my parents have a background in law with a criminal justice degree , my dad has two law degree , criminal justice and law enforcement because he a police , my mom went back to school to be a teacher because she changed her mind about wanting to become a lawyer , and I can tell you my mom is an anxious parent, they would had been spoke up and sued hybe on their behalf , and hired a lawyer , it's sad that literally they are fighting this alone , hanni going to the court alone by herself , no parent involved, hell my dad would be at the stand with me , my mom always tell me if anything ever happens to me , always have documented proof , write down everything that happens from date and time , or either to have visual or audio proof , and always have a witness ready to support you to make your case more believable , I'm sad that they are fighting this alone , and it's probably worse having adults calling you dumb and stupid , and like I said I'm the same age as hanni , Im 20 young does not mean ignorant , I don't believe they are being manipulated into this choice , but they aren't making logical decisions for themselves

[@zaingel8112]

@@Literally_dangeleeen Yea and like you said that comes from the experience/ knowledge of your parents. Which it's upsetting how, from what i have seen from NJs parents they have been radio silent to this whole situation, other than when they were speaking up about MHJ. You know, I'm from the other side of the spectrum, I come from an immigrant family who had no education. But, like your parents they worked hard to become educated for the family to be safe, because unfortunately the world is unforgiving and if you don't learn or become educated, you WILL get used and extorted with no mercy. I've seen this been done and know the importance of being educated. And, not to be mean to the girls, but for their own benefit they HAVE to get educated.

[@zaingel8112]

@@Literally_dangeleeen I'm honestly giving them the benefit of the doubt, that they got manipulated by MHJ one way or another, considering that they were young when they started and they clearly have no parental support. Their actions also always lead to the benefit of MHJ, so unless they are honestly unintelligent, someone was giving them those illogical ideas that lead to their actions. I'm also around the age range of NJs and it is off putting when people blame their ignorance on the age. When it is part of the problem, but the main problem lies that young idols are not receiving the proper education, they need due to companies and parents allowing minors to train/debut. And, the majority of fans are honestly missing that point, or are putting the whole responsibility on the company, not the parents/government. Sorry, for the rant. Lol

[@Literally_dangeleeen]

@@zaingel8112 yes , I'm black and come from the poorest region of America , my family has only made it this far and we became able to keep our selves afloat is because of education along , you can have as much money as you want , but money only comes in the form of the intelligence and work skills of a person , people hire you for what you can do and what you know , only then you will create abundance in your life , education and wisdom is power , being able to understand your contracts ,being able to think for yourself and not think with your emotions is a skill , I come from a long line of educators so yes , I know that I am very privileged in life , especially being in a area where our school system sucks to , so life has been able to prosper for me because I care about my education and been brought up with a mentality to always learn something, because education doesn't stop even when you leave school , I just hope this mess can get solved quickly , these girls clearly need a mental break

[@Dssd0608]

MHJ is a criminal, there’s no way around it. She is con-artisting Korean and NJ’s fandom - it was so disappointing when it finally became clear that NJ and their families are in on it, are also trying to break the law. That they are lying and trying to get away with something in such a nasty, way, or that they think they deserve more / different than anyone else working just as hard or harder than they are is so insulting. I really hope someone stops MHJ soon. She belongs in jail.

[@jaya2572]

I don't understand why some idols like Newjeans are easily believed and supported even if they don't make much sense but other idols who are bringing up legit issues like mistreatment with evidences face little/large amount of victim blaming, are questioned and have to endure insults and shaming. Why some of these fans have double standards? I dislike both kind of fans. I really agree with your points. You pointed it out very calmly and precisely. My short-tempered self could never.

[@moonlight_antonio]

Usually by temperaments not really all that great lol I’m surprised I’ve been somewhat calm doing these videos talking about this. But to your point, it’s weird, how idols like NewJeans are easily believed even when they don’t make sense, I’ve always found that to be strange.

[@carolawasberg6271]

Even the girls lied to Korea when they told that they don't have contact with Mhj but what about the photo that was taken before the Hannis Asembly meeting?? It was clear as day a meeting with Mhj and her lawyer and it a looooong time that meeting, perhaps just to tell Hanni what to say and act out and yet did she forget at what time all the problems had bubbeld up?? Problem came to the surfice when Mhj was the ceo and now they blame this new ceo and she now has to do the work and clean up after Mhj. It seems like Mhj can't let go of her bad behaved lifestyle when she have done the same at SM where workers have written how psycopathic Mhj is and that she is difficult to work with, got too a messige that she alsow tryed there to become a higer boss but got fired and not what she have told the Korean people that she quit her job at SM, so she is draging on and try all places to gaine her higer boss possition. Narssistic person is 1 that wants all the time eyes on them and that we have already seen when BTS is coming out with something new she too is then out fixing something new around her so she get the press to react to her more than the news about BTS. Hybe does it the right way, stay silent and watch on what she is talking and doing and thank godnes for Dispatch bomshell that came out there we can say we got rock solid proofs on her and the girls lies

[@Haifa386]

I am put this into the universe but I believe by the time 6th gen happens we will look at new jeans as one of the biggest self sabotage and what ifs in K-pop history because they could have been a legendary group in kpop history but this shit happened( caused by mommy dearest) and the fandoms( and mhj honestly)that jumped into the new jeans fandom just to hate will leave them by next year

[@Walklikeaduck111]

Theyre a silly girl group, nothing legendary abt that.

[@rafaelsmith5737]

What's legendary about NJ? Besides ungrateful attitude, they can dance, sing, and look pretty for the camera but aren't all idols capable of that?

[@tsh9584]

I think hanni never experienced real sufferings in her life that she thought being ignored is a mistreatment. If getting ignored is a mistreatment then i should've had file a complaint in school and office a hundred of times.

[@lemonaidebey6190]

Companies automatically bad is so stupid

[@tsh9584]

She wasnt offended by mhj saying they're fat girls, but was offended when told by someone else manager to ignore her. Hmm

[@Queendom-jd9ln]

Their face doesn't look like they got bullied💀💀. The real victim of bullying either they are going psycho or has low self esteem & don't want to go out or socialize but look at them they look like normal & still can perform & laugh in their vids🤦‍♀️🤦🏼. I'm more traumatized on what they did.

[@zaingel8112]

At this point the new CEO of Ador has gotten bullied and framed with no proof, by NJs, MHJ fans and NJ fans. But, no one cares because she is a normal employee, not an Idol.💀

[@nancyk8153]

NewJeans are not fighting for their group, they are fighting for MHJ. It's just sad to see them tank their careers for someone that is using them as her shield for all legal allegations. MHJ constantly inserted NewJeans in her media interviews.

[@nanisantiago307]

They Are not an example you want to use as being mistreated, but you can do it as the liars of k pop and 🤬💰

[@isabelpizano1932]

TBH the first time I saw pix from them I could tell right away they were gonna be trouble. You can see it their eyes. I personally can judge and have a good 6th sense of what type of person one is. My tuition has never led me wrong. They have cried wolf. I feel bad for future artists that may actually go through bullying will have a hard time coming forth. Future contracts will be more strict as well.

[@nuhkyah23]

@isabelpizano1932 I showed a friend of mine a pic of Hanni from the national assembly photos with no context at all, she isn't even into kpop and she said she looks like a mean girl, the one that would be the bully.

[@pinksoft39]

Mhj literally published a picture of a room or something and had pictures about little girls from movies about pedo stuff or something (i watched Minamino's video explaining Mhj's past drama, its in spanish tho but it has english subtitles! I suggest to watch it) and because of that idk how Bunnies defend that woman like she is so weird?! Maybe im wrong but didnt Mhj keep NewJeans like exclusive? Not including them in Hybe events and giving them lots of priviliges?! Hybe literally created Ador for Mhj, idk how bunnies claim that everytime NewJeans wasnt included in an event was Hybe's fault when in reality it was MHJ who did it?! Mhj gave NewJeans so many privileges since debut unlike other Hybe groups! I think the reason why NewJeans reacted so harshly towards Ador's new CEO was because they were so used to receive privileges from Mhj! This is the firs time i comment something like this under a video of NewJeans because im simply not interested about them like fr i dont interact much with em like last time i saw NewJeans content was with Super Shy and that was only like 3 times? This whole drama is so unserious to me, bunnies are so toxic they say anything with a soft concept is a copy of their beloved group it makes me chuckle. I personally love ILLIT, because of the senseless hate received thanks to Mhj i decided to ignore and not interact with any NewJeans content but it keeps getting ridiculous. Two things can be true at the same time, Hybe is shitty and so is Mhj. It seems like NewJeans arent guided by anyone because everytime i hear something about their drama they are fooling arround? They dont seem like victims but like ungrateful girls who complain about everything, like they just started talking without knowing how the business works and its honestly embarrassing. Maybe if they were a bit more aware of what theyre doing i could take them seriously but i just cant. After this long ahh comment ill try to ignore any of NewJeans content like i always did, because im not that interested about it

[@charstar386]

Agree with everything you say. And now this idol scandal with JYPE about the girl KM who was TRULY mistreated and abused makes Hanni’s claim sound ridiculous and entitled.

[@rnimcrying7720]

also i feel like so many mhj/nj supporter forgot all of this started because of illit's palgerism and suddenly after hybe is the worst most disgusting agency in the kpop industry. I feel that min heejin was planning on taking newjeans from the beginning, and illit was just a scapegoat

[@hanniefrei]

its sad that mhj is using the girls and they cant see it. they will be in debt and mhj cant help them pay it. no company will support them because they dont want nwjs to succeed with this contract issue with hybe otherwise it will be precedent to other idols so they will support hybe blacklisting the girls smh

[@illyrianaa]

They are not an example of mistreatment because they are NOT mistreated in the slightest. In fact newjeans are bullies themselves. Illit can attest to that.

[@Cutyblush]

I'm actually very upset about the all-national assembly/ fan meeting. We have Madein, black pink, Gidle, and Riize who have actually experienced Bullying by nets/fans but we only focus on things that will make more money or popularity. People saying that NJ doesn't interact with Hybe artist, are you that clueless to not know that MHJ doesn't like NJ to be associated with Hybe artists if it doesn't give her profit.

[@mrrockjin8415]

please girls, if you all have some solid proofs about company mistreatmant, go files a lawsuit to court. Don't do livestreaming or press conference. With all this dramas yall made, i assume that you just buying time, maybe waiting Ador to makes mistake, or waiting MHJ catch some investors for yall? Omg, one of your song title is Super shy right? Not Super Dumb right?

[@lindaMinister]

New allegation by a VCHA member re mistreatmentby jyp is the real bullying if true.

[@tyiwongaiter842]

@@lindaMinister when I read the information about them today, I was floored….like WTH is going on? This would definitely be mistreatment

[@mrrockjin8415]

@@lindaMinister and she files lawsuit to the court right?(in may). Not a livestreaming or press conference like NJ

[@divx1001]

@@mrrockjin8415 kg filed the lawsuit yesterday, not in May. She's been trying to get out of the contract since May (I guess internally) but since there was no outcome from the company, she filed a lawsuit. That's the way NJ should have done this, not start press conferences 🤦

[@Heznau]

When you take out a loan, you pay interest and the debt itself. Same with the contract. You can’t say goodbye to everything, I returned everything to you. No. It doesn't work. You were a nobody and a lot of money and time were invested in you. And you are obliged under the contract to return everything with interest, while earning money yourself. Everyone benefits. New Jeans has skyrocketed thanks to the company. It will be painful to fall, who will work with such ungrateful artists?

[@Nu-SmZar]

What really gets to me about this whole mess is that 1) I will never understand how nj inserted themselves in a ceo vs company issue, and 2) how they intentionally manipulated public opinion using media play and the known toxic nature of kpop. They took advantage because they knew the public will always take idol's side. They knew it would be very difficult for Ador/Hybe to change public opinion after they publicly make claims. Nj strategy is exactly mhj strategy

[@RajKGajjela]

It's hard to believe, but what could MHJ have said to these girls that made them willing to risk their promising future at HYBE/ADOR as NJ and potentially start over in a new group under MHJ's upcoming company? It must have been something truly compelling.

[@kandywilliams9179]

Probably that their parents will have to pay, remember they were minors at signing, just a suggestion.

[@damiii-l1i]

That they would be shareholders of ADOR just like BTS are shareholders of Hybe. That's the only thing that makes sense to me.

[@BikroKosmos]

PREACH!!!!!👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@esmeraldasoliano7073]

The so called bullying happened when mhj was in charge..n yet nothing was done. N only now they are suddenly bringing it out. As for their living status. They are living in luxury compared to many other idols. These girls are feeling too entitled n are ungrateful

[@sehbasareen6669]

They would be the worst example

[@trishabala9549]

This whole thing is now a matter of sentiment Whoever is showing support to mhj are the fans who cannot see a flaw in their fav yeah it's okay to support the grp you like but you shld also be reasonable on how things actually works I supported nj from the first day but day by day I lost my faith especially bcoz of the unnecessary drama If mistreatment was to be taken into consideration then cases like that of seunghan , madein gauel and recently vcha shld get more publicity and focus . Anyways at the end justice shld be served to the one who deserves it . Also idk whenever I try to say anything like this w facts about how actually the business and real world works either I get tagged as a hybe stan or a nj hater . I am not a hybe stan or do I hate nj

[@nhjeihdu]

Antonio, the same problem I have with various people in the fandom(BTS). They want to justify issues that some members of BTS have or may have suffered by using n^s who haven't even got 0.0001% of what members of BTS suffered. These girls found everything laid to them. Hanni said that a manager said 'ignore her' - yet when she was in the National Assembly when she was asked about a certain issue she said 'I will have to go back and learn more Korean so that I can get a better understanding and not only that she also stated "I had to record the conversations in during the time they were looking at the CCTVs for evidence since she couldn't get what was exactly being said" When I see some people in the fandom clapping for these girls, I despair for the boys they say they love. As much as I detest HB, I don't like how m^j and n^js want to take down hype using BTS. People also said with them-yet it's the same people who claim that BTS use the sajaegi(sp). Plus, there are various non-issues they are claiming. Yes Hb has a lot to learn and change - however, you do all realise that the takedown of hb will only be through the destroying of BTS and that will systematically be each member. And that will also include creating rumours around them: and then later claiming that they really care about those members. About the bg not greeting them: what if he had made himself very close to them and then they later claimed s£xl abuse. As much as he isn't someone I like, I am 100% grateful, he never made them seem that they were close to him. With what has just been posted by Dp - her trying to get a deal by asking one of the big money spenders to get the deal to move close to her and stating that even if it meant sleeping with him - I don't rule that out they would have used that card. So I think he saved himself from something very sinister. This is similar to H who decided to use the same lift yet they have a styling room that isn't on the same floor as ILit. H claims that other people are bullies yet she showed all of us that she is not far from being one from how she looked at the CEO during the hearing and how they omitted her from various important stuff like when they got an award recently.

[@lemonaidebey6190]

PREACH!

[@splendore.ngrandeur3599]

They were not mistreated, so they are not a good example

[@Piztols]

I love NJ but they need to grow up and cut ties with MHJ if they want a prosperous career.

[@Roxst1905]

Im already jumping other group. Bye NJ, meovv has potential

[@ZoAnne-lm3tb]

THANK YOU... Z-SNAP PERIOD!

[@Super_Chamchi]

It was a good thing Bang PD ignored them. If not, they would've made up a serious claim against him. NJ really gives off as brat, especially their live stream. If HYBE is as bad as they said, they would pull an SM on them that they didn't even have a chance to speak on YT. NJ and MHJ were given the whole 16th floor of HYBE, and MHJ were given more power than other labels under HYBE. NJ had a luxury dorm, brand deals, their own bubble app, and so many special treatments other groups didn't get when they debuted. How is that mistreatment?

[@hellivioze3648]

Over the last few months, we've heard from idols who have gone through such tough conditions while carrying out their activities as an idol or training to be an idol. Then you have the case that is getting the most attention right now in which the most serious accusation of mistreatment is Hanni allegedly overhearing a manager from another company telling the illit members to ignore her. A matter that made it all the way to the National Assembly for some ridiculous reason

[@sharafwasima2839]

Remember what happened to some of the TVXQ Members. They got blacklisted so hard that they never got any chance to comeback. HYBE has money but they are not influential enough as SM, YG and JYP. Kpop has been running for generations. No company is saint. Which goes for HYBE as well as Big 3 and others. Look at 50 50. That company was just some of the medium sized companies in Korea. Still those girls lost it and got into debt. These little girls like 50 50 and NJ just got a very easy success in this big black hole of kpop. I don't stan BP. But BP could have done same thing like these two groups. They had more influence than these nugus. Still they had patience. They had minimal cb but still fulfilled their contract period with maximum profit. And NJ thinks within 2years they gave enough profit to avoid contract breaching lawsuit and penalty. A person with minimum knowledge about contract and law can also realise that how dumb and delusional you have to be to state something like that in media. They didn’t need to involve in this mess. They did career suicide. They are basically something like whistle blowers. And we know that no matter if your are right or wrong, a whistle blower is always blacklisted in majority of industry. And korean entertainment industry is basically a dark hole. I hope other groups get the Justice because they went through a lot because of MHJ and NJ.

[@tejaswijetti7924]

true though that them coming life and the press conference recently all happened under MHJ and it has been exposed by DISPATCH.

[@rnimcrying7720]

they know that their public standing/what the public thinks of them is way more important than what happens in court

[@sylviabondoc3870]

Agree that what is going on with New Jeans right now was caused by Min Hee Jin.

[@ТатьянаЕрмолаева-щ7р]

Смешно до сих пор, как может быть ГЕНЕРАЛЬНЫМ ДИРЕКТОРОМ человек появившийся на конференции лохматый и как говорят в народе "весь в слезах и соплях", жалующийся и обвиняющий команду на весь мир непонятно за что. Было неприятно смотреть на такого "Генерального директора". Это запомнится надолго!

[@cpamartorell]

Honestly, I don’t think the members are lying. I think they really feel/believe they have been wronged. This may be due to immaturity or because they have been fed the narrative, or both. This all began when MHJ said Hybe started an audit after she complained about Belift copying her concept. Hybe said MHJ was caught planning a corporate coup. Which came first?…that’s the main point here. And frankly, this is where all should’ve ended. This is the actual controversy in this case. In my opinion, the members’ involvement was the first mistake. Unless they have additional strong evidence about abuse, right now I don’t see how they can get away with their actions. Even worse, they may be held responsible, not only for the cancellation clause fee, but for additional damages if Hybe’s stock does not recover after all this fiasco. I think the girls will never ever be able to work with MHJ again (assuming there is a non compete clause), and even though they are huge and famous, I have my doubts about how much of that will be left when the whole ordeal is over. On the other hand, Hybe will loose their best selling act since BTS, and investors take note of that. Bottom line, everyone will lose here, and that’s a shame. PS: I’m a cpa/lawyer but I don’t know anything about contract law in Korea. There is a chance the members’ arguments stick in Korean courts and the girls come on top, or that MHJ can prove Belift copied her concept and Hybe retaliated with the audit after her complaints, in which case, the big corp will be liable for A LOT.

[@moonlight_antonio]

I agree, no one really wins in the situation. That’s what I foresee as well. Also, it is a perspective I did not consider, that the girls truly believe that what they’re saying is true about their situation.

[@purpleskiesforever]

What it seems to come down to is MHJ's Shareholders Agreement revision request in November 2023 to increase her put option from 15% (which allows her to sell her stocks back to Hybe at 13x the operating profit of Ador) to 30% (around 26x of profits), as well as termination rights for New Jeans. Hybe said no. Apparently, that didn't sit well with MHJ and she allegedly started to meet with outside investors for the Ador takeover starting in February. One of the investors that she met with snitched on her and Hybe conducted an emergency audit of Ador. A great unbiased timeline breakdown is on [namu wiki] and type Min Heejin and Ador Dispute. Warning that clicking all the links that the reference will take you down a never-ending rabbit hole. Lol. It's a great Korean website and the translations to English are pretty good.

[@lizbailey7748]

In the beginning I thought they were victims of MHJs manipulation. Now I think they were in on it and lying the whole time. She didn't provide evidence at the national assembly or anywhere else. And their behaviour after the NA visit was very sus, like they were laughing at getting away with it and acting, crying on demand.

[@meilichankan9282]

If they truly think they are in the right why are they lying then. They lied about not talking with Mhj anymore, they lied about not telling anyone about their moves. For me they know they are not 100% in the right.

[@damiii-l1i]

I understand your sentiments. However, you have to take MHJ’s leaked chats into account. She never denied those btw, she just said they were taken out of context. According to those messages, she had been planning to steal the company and snatch the girl group away since 2021, even before ADOR was established. I believe everything that has happened since then has been a calculated buildup toward that goal. MHJ reportedly asked Hybe for the autonomy to cancel the girls’ contracts last year, and she had already calculated their penalty fees before Illit debuted. Furthermore, MHJ seems to have strategically pampered the NJ members while feeding them narratives about HYBE’s alleged wrongdoings. This approach appears to have made the girls protective of her and, consequently, more sensitive, especially toward BSH. It’s evident in the way they overanalyze every interaction. Don’t forget that Hanni also had an incident with Seventeen. Another point worth considering is that by clinging onto the ignore her case, they are making themselves vulnerable to lawsuits from Belift Lab. Even if HYBE/Belift deleted the video, the lack of concrete evidence turns this into a "she said, he said" situation. Additionally, it’s important to note that Hanni is not fluent in Korean. Even during the National Assembly, she misunderstood several points, which complicates matters further. I personally don’t understand those who believe BSH is jealous of NJ’s success and is actively sabotaging them because he wasn’t involved in their production. If that were true, shouldn’t he also be sabotaging Seventeen, who are direct competitors to BTS and a group he’s also not involved with? All of NJ success is Hybe’s success anyways so why would he be jealous? Lastly, NJ is not the second best selling Act after BTS. Rather, they are the best-selling girl group under HYBE.

[@susannhem1127]

There always a reason why a lot of companies don't like HYBE as for MHJ and NJ we are know along that's they lies but they continue with their stupidity

[@marysua11]

Lol. Keep up the great reporting. MHJ is disgusting.

[@simple_me5283]

Tidak apa-apa kalau mau keluar dari perusahaan,pake cara yang legal go to court to cancel contract

[@rafaelsmith5737]

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[@rafaelsmith5737]

11:48

[@cuuldurach1609]

To the creator of this video and all the comments from ppl who think they are certified lawyers and have in front of them the contract details between Ador/NJ....youre not lawyers, your opinions are based on what you heard from someone who heard from someone. This issue between Ador and NJ will be settled behind closed doors, or by the Korean Judicial system. Your demand for either party to provide evidence to you, or your opinion of who is right or wrong has no legal bearing on the case itself. There is no legal advantage for them to provide their ammunition to the public. They are in the middle of their legal dance now, everything thats happened so far was expected or anticipiated by their respective legal teams. Just wait for the court proceedings and you will get a better idea of whats going on, instead of living in this imaginary hearsay world of yours.

[@moonlight_antonio]

Then don’t make a live stream to appeal to the public audience by bringing up accusations about a company if you’re intent is to handle all this stuff privately. Right??? And don’t hold a bunch of press conferences. Right??? So I guess I and many others heard from someone else, who heard from someone else, the words that Hanni spoke out of her own mouth in a live stream and at the NA??? Among other things. I didn’t know I had to be a lawyer and have the legal documents of all parties sitting on my desk in order to have an opinion about this. Next time I’ll try and pay more attention to the rules when making a video…… How very interesting

[@moonlight_antonio]

This is definitely an interesting comment. I think I should make a video about it. You definitely brought up something interesting about peoples opinions and people hearing things from other people that heard things from other people. Such an interesting comment.

[@cuuldurach1609]

@@moonlight_antonio This is my opinion ok, so please understand it as an observation of events that have happened. The vlives that were done by NJ giving 14 day notice to Ador was done for the bunnies so they found out from them. The actual Letter Of Intent was sent to Ador the next day iirc on the 14th Nov. The contract termination conference was on the 28th. I highly doubt NJ decided to one day out of the blue say "hey we wanna terminate our contracts." You must give consideration that they have been given legal advice. Dont mistake Hybe issues with MHJ as Ador and NJ contracts. Hybe, Ador, MHJ and NJ are 4 different parties and all the 5h1tst0rm thats coming out may not necessarily relate to each other. I hope i didnt come across as rude in my first post, but ive just seen too much bs on this topic from ppl who have no idea on the actual contract between Ador/NJ and wanna give their 2 cents worth, then that gets read by the other sheep and they start repeating others opinion as fact, and then adding their own opinions to it. Undeniably though, this issue will be settled behind closed doors or in the Korean Judicial system. Not by us youtube commentators. That is a fact.

[@moonlight_antonio]

I got you, but I’m not disqualifying you for having your opinion on the issue because you’re not a lawyer and also don’t have all the transcripts and legal documents in front of you in order for you to have your own opinion. Nor would I accuse you of getting your information from other people that have nothing to do with the situation. I’m just addressing that. You understand what I mean? You were assuming that we were getting info from people who are also assuming, and not looking at every press conference, livestream, hearing, and reading an unbiased timeline of events as they occurred, is the interesting part that I just wanted to address. Other than that, I have nothing against your opinion of the situation. I don’t believe that I can do anything about what’s happening, nor is that the reason why I made this video or any of the other videos about this issue. I’m just putting out my opinion, just like you are. I think I can do that. That’s all I’m saying. Everyone has the right and freedom to put out their opinion, you don’t have to like it, but it’s their opinion. If we all needed to be lawyers for us to state our opinions publicly on issues like this, then none of us would be able to say anything about it.

[@Haifa386]

@@cuuldurach1609did you know that contract law is something any one can learn about because it’s one of the easiest laws to the point that they teach it to students that aren’t taking law and you can take courses on, you don’t have to be a lawyer just have to read how it works in that country and you will understand what new jeans did was breach of contract but if you don’t want to do that you have Korean lawyers explaining why what new jeans did is such a bad move right here on KZbin

[@chady1229]

the fact is that even though their case isnt as severe others are and idols being mistreated needs an eye on it mhj is irrelevant bunnies dont even like her the fact is hybe is an abusive trash company which is why so many non hybe idols are showing support as well as staff and actors/actresses and athletes cuz they know how toxic it is especially for minors being taken advantage of with bad contractw

[@apartheid84]

You're wrong, they don't support them but feel sorry for them, because they let themselves be manipulated by MHJ and they blindly believe him when in truth ADOR who tries to protect them and give them the opportunity to come back as if nothing had happened but the girls are mean, ignorant and troublemakers and prefer to fight without even knowing where they stand. Let's see how long the support of the people lasts, because with everything that has come out in the media, an uncertain future for the group is looming.

[@Literally_dangeleeen]

If anything I would love belift to file a claim on them personally for the slander they gave to illit 😢 illit are the true victims here

[@zaingel8112]

Honestly, ALL the adults involved are abusive trash (NJs parents, HYBE, MHJ), while NJs are puppets, HYBE groups are the collateral damage, the media are foxes ready to pounce for opportunities, and the fans are like oblivious dogs on a leash getting used. Idk, I'd say the fans are honestly the real victims getting used by everyone.

[@mackdesroches5197]

I disagree with what you’re saying respectfully, I don’t believe your opinion is correct. I’m not trying to be disrespectful to you, but in my opinion, they have pimple and not just them countless idols have, and sometimes the government in Korea doesn’t always protect them because of what they consider mistreatment this case with new jeans, reminds me a lot of what B.A.P went through with TS entertainment just an example

[@nicoleloss7987]

Nj are far from mistreated . Mhj are just following mhj orders.

[@sashasanchez3356]

MHJ saw that the NJ girls were weak mentally and innocent so MHJ took advantage of that and fed lies to them . ( MHJ knew they would look ridiculous all along)

[@angrylittlemissred]

@@mackdesroches5197 okay comparing this case to BAP considering how horrendous TS was as a company to ALL of their idols is a big yikes. While BAP’s main reason for their lawsuit was their company withholding a bunch of information from them (along with violating their human rights) this withholding of information also included TS not giving them even close to what they had earned during the time they had promoted as BAP (I’m talking MILLIONS of dollars). I’m not seeing how these two groups can even be compared here

[@zaingel8112]

With the way the SK politics are going, I'm inclined to believe that Hanni's case was indeed a distraction/excuse from the real problems going on. It was a case that HYBE should have been involved in (the mother company of ADOR), but not the government. It's unfortunate, but with bullying allegations there has to be solid proof or an investigation. Because, being a rude or not polite person, is not the same as being bullied, it's a sensitive case. What Hanni has described sounds like either a misunderstanding or people being rude. It's also not unwarranted if employees at HYBE don't like NJs due to their actions to support MHJ, who again has done workplace harassment and it seems like not a lot of employees liked her (which people have the right to decide to ignore people that warranted that, as long as it doesn't mess with their business ). That is like saying, all the idols that didn't/don't greet their peers or seniors are all bullies? Which that is not the definition of bullying, but rudeness/unprofessional. It seems the girls don't understand that or like many have said they are getting manipulated into thinking the action of a rude person is bullying, when it isn't. So, depending on how this all ends, it will be a pretty big loss for groups/idols.

[@mackdesroches5197]

I feel like these days fans on side of the company, even if they hasn’t improved anything to claim that they didn’t mistreat the staff or the new jeans members

[@minuii]

One thing fact : hybe = toxic