My Problems with the LGBTQ community

[@Occamy_Owl]

"Not everyone is acceptant and that's ok." -> No, that's literally the entire problem, that a lot of people don't accept people for who they are / who they're attracted to. also "They wouldn't hate you if you just acted normal" -> that's just false, if I'm a trans girl and act like a girl (aka "normal") some people would still be upset because I'm my sex is male but I act, dress and sound like a girl. tbh you were kinda right with your first point although that does only apply to a very small (but loud) group of LGBTQ but everything after that was just imo stupid. PS: as of right now, we need to keep reminding trans people that they're people and that they're valid because a lot of them already struggle with an absurd amount of self doubt and some have suicidal thoughts because of people telling them that they aren't valid.

[@Yboy_g41]

1- when I said "act normal" I meant acting Casual to outsiders, by not making LGBT your whole personality, and being bitter when someone doesn't use the correct terms on accident, I'm ace but I don't act it out or talk about it all the time 2- I understand Trans People need validation but It sometimes gets annoying or a little too much, validation is good to an extent 3- "not everyone is acceptant", this still stands, because there will always be Transphobes, Racists, Ableist that you can't change their Minds even if you try, the best is to ignore them

[@Occamy_Owl]

@@Yboy_g41 ok, I agree that people shouldn't make being trans their entire personality but from my experience, only the people that lack any other personality traits actually do that. As for the validation, I can't really judge that, ig it depends where on the internet you are as I'm not that bothered by it but ig if every 3rd tweet / whatever you read is just "trans women are women" and that's it, I can see how that can get annoying. And I know that pretty much everyone who's transphobic / homophobic / racist etc. is not willing to ever change their mind or world view and it's better to ignore them but I certainly don't think that that their behaviour is "ok". (also I didn't know what an ableist was so I googled it and I am once again completely loosing my faith in humanity) Also I forgot to mention this but I find it very cool that you said at the beginning that this is just you opinion and that you're willing to respectfully discuss with others

[@iiomqfaderz]

"They wouldn't hate you if you just acted normal" completely ruined any point you had for me honestly. People should have the right to express themselves however they want without the fear of someone going out of their way to show that they disapprove, there shouldn't BE a "normal" way to express yourself, and I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here but mentalities like that border on bigotry towards more than just the LGBT. Imagine if you said that to a neurodivergent person?

[@Yboy_g41]

Yeah, I couldn't find a Better way to word it, whoops

[@LunarKR]

neurodivergent bi-guy over here and i wanna pass off some of my own insight on this whole thing, reading over what he said is true because from most of what i gathered and seen out of the lgbtq community (Im aware that not all of them act in this manner, i'm just expressing my disdain for these kinds of people) is just a bunch of people who just bash people if they use the wrong pronouns or accidentally misgender someone, and overextend to make this whole lgbtq thing their entire personality. i think they are just asking them to 'be normal' in the light of just being casual to one another, and not be so obsessed over their image rather than asking them to suppress their expression. (I disagree with how he worded it though, because honestly, he could've used a better way of saying it than 'oh maybe you deserved the hate because you aren't being normal.' because it does sound a bit condescending, but whatever.) on one hand its like; 'yeah cool, you're trans' 'oh thats cool, you're gay' or 'oh thats cool you're lesbian' but not everyone is gonna really be having this at the back of their mind of every waking day, and sets a bad example when they made it their whole personality and decided to just preach on about themselves being said 'ethnicity' even beyond pride month, and with the coloration of the name 'pride month', yes, there is actually some people feel uneasy about the subject because they think of these kinds of people as the prime example of being the 'personification' of this 'gay-ness' (as silly as that was put, thats what the uneducated call it.) and probably wish to shut it down because of that. (Not saying they wouldn't have other reasons, but it feels fair to call this one out.) as for the people who get all jumpy on pronouns and such, it starts to seep into a linguist's territory, there are four known and all valid terms to use in english since theres pronouns that never caught on for a reason (xe and ze specifically), these known words are 'he' 'she' 'they' and 'it'. (Ex: 'they' for gender neutral and non-binary, 'he' for males, 'she' for females, and 'it' to refer to objects.) Also, it's not exactly a big deal if someone accidentally uses the wrong pronouns for someone, granted, i'm a he and if someone were to call me a she, it would annoy me, but even with that minor inconvenience, it's not exactly that big of a deal, just move on with your day and forgive them for being stupid unless they choose to escalate.

[@Yboy_g41]

Finally someone who understands

[@LeBabol]

pretty sure the "they" there was directed towards people that hate LGBTQ because of the way most members act

[@stinky635]

You’re proving his point tbh

[@Ya_Boi_Y1bbs]

im bisexual and non binary and to be 100% honest? you have some really good points. i tend to overreact when people that know my pronouns dont use em, ill keep some of these in mind.

[@maplebox-vd2sb]

wonderful points and wonderful pfp

[@17ryujin]

1. Chronically online twitter users do not speak for the whole community, you most likely won't meet a person overreacting over pronouns irl 2. I kinda agree on this one. 3. You're going to see people commenting that only under transphobic comments like ''you'll never be a real man/woman'', although I agree that trans people shouldn't be treated any more special just because they switched sides. 4. Again, you don't hate the LGBT but the twitter users And also homophobes and transphobes are the ones harassing and discriminating gay people on daily basis btw.

[@evancrampton2936]

seems like you have more of an issue with the mush-brained twitter/tumblr users rather than the lgbt+ community as a whole. don't worry i completely understand

[@MoronicPlague]

...Do people even actually act like that? Actual grown adults, not kids who just discovered social media, not trolls, and not the people who do it for quick rage bait + profit. Me personally, I don't think I've met a single person that's part of the community that geniuenly flows that way. 😦

[@Missing_Texture_Checkerboard]

Yes, but they are Twitter/Tumblr users. Anywhere else, nah, just like you said "I don't think I've met a single person that's part of the community that genuinely flows that way."

[@JayLeeBeanz]

I've met my fair share on various platforms, KZbin included.

[@MoronicPlague]

@@JayLeeBeanz I'm asking in real life, it's easy to fake stuff on media platforms'

[@ampisbadatthis]

I respect the argument, but I disagree on nearly every point. I think youre focused on a very small subsection of the community, which is the online community. Most LGBT people dont maintain public accounts with large followings. All of these criticisms are directed only at terminally online groups

[@imperfectimp]

Was going to say the same thing. Looking at Twitter and saying: all [any group] there suck. Guess what? You're right, most people on Twitter suck. But the vast majority of people aren't overly active on Twitter. Best example is MattXIV or whatever his handle is. He's probably a nice guy irl but on Twitter he's the most rage-baiting douchebag.

[@Yboy_g41]

People like are rare, who respect an argument and disagree respectfully Yeah, Terminally online LGBT people most of them have behaviours that piss me off

[@MoronicPlague]

Plus most of those people are stubborn as heck, so goodluck changing their mindset 👉👉

[@novaspec404]

transfem here i MOSTLY agree with this, especially with the "trans people are not divine people" argument, like bro i dont want to be treated like im the ruler of a kingdom just because i did a switcheroo of my gender only things i don't like are: "they wouldnt hate you if you would act normal" i don't know if you just worded it wrong but this comes off like "oh just stop being lgbtq and be NORMAL" and the pronouns argument i agree partially with it though, like the people who get mad over using the wrong pronouns and throw a fit about it, they're bad yeah but if they intentionally use the wrong pronouns multiple times just because they don't respect you even when KNOWING your preferred pronouns then that's not cool about the neopronouns (xe, zem, etc etc) i agree they're hard to pronounce and kind of dumb but that's the person's choice and i can't force them to have quote-unquote "NORMAL" pronouns

[@Yboy_g41]

1- I could've worded the conclusion better, When I say "normal" I don't mean "don't be gay/lesbian..." 2- I don't have problems with people who use Neopronouns, my problem is the people who get mad when you don't get them correctly Sorry if I got things incorrect but this is based on experience

[@novaspec404]

@ that clears up a lot, thanks

[@darkshadow99-ny2ct]

THE 41% JUST INCREASED WITH THIS ONE

[@Yboy_g41]

That was NOT my Intention, my intent was to give Genuine Criticism, not to harass, did you read the Disclaimer

[@bepiqedvevacuru6196]

I disagree with the idea that these attitudes are particularly prevalent among LGBT people in general. I think that these traits are common among young people on the internet who just haven't fully matured yet. I think that you would learn a lot from talking to older LGBT people who are have already found a stable place in life, rather than relying on the internet.

[@Yboy_g41]

I mean yeah, But from what I'm seeing, People who Encompass these traits are in their 20s (at least on Twitter), I know this is not Everyone, but I had to throw my two cents

[@Nalexiaa]

"dislikes disabled by owner" yikes this is gonna be a ride

[@Yboy_g41]

Dislikes are removed by KZbin, I can't do anything

[@pigeonette1]

you haven't been able to see dislikes on any video for a long time now

[@Nalexiaa]

theres an extension that re-adds them, i have it installed so i can see dislikes, this one says " dislikes disabled by owner "

[@MoronicPlague]

@@Nalexiaa mm? It's 17 dislikes rn, wdym

[@Nalexiaa]

@@MoronicPlague It was just recently changed, i can see it as 18 dislikes now

[@EndercakeTheMessenger]

I don’t need respect for being gay, I literally just want basic human rights

[@maiavixen]

I'm not sure how many people you've met, but everyone I've accidentally misgendered have been very very kind about correcting me, and I myself, as a trans woman, won't really care if you misgender me a few times accidentally, of course, I'll respectfully correct you and laugh it off. It's only when you misgender incorrectly enough times that I start to think you're doing it to piss me off, then I won't respect you anymore. The repetition of support for LGBTQ rights can be annoying but like, it's kinda necessary, we gotta fight for our rights as long as there exists people that try to strip them away. Gay people, lesbians, trans, etc, in the US, there is a literal presidential candidate that's 50/50 winning that WANTS to strip trans rights completely. It's to raise awareness. Glorification of trans people is kinda annoying yeah, but also like, it's not about how important a trans person is, its about how society historically sidelined trans people, so ofcourse now that it's more accepted, people are going to celebrate them. Representation and acknowledgement help break stereotypes. I find it a bit weird that you saw tweets validating trans women and men's respective genders, and you took it as "trans people are people", yeah no shit, but that's not what the Tweets meant at all. Finally, "they wouldn't hate you if you just acted normal" is like straight up yikes, I actually would take this video down and reword that if I were you because that looks REALLY bad. Telling a marginalized group of people that consist of a TON of neurodivergent people is pretty dismissive and harmful. LGBTQ people shouldn't fit into a box to make themselves accepted in society, it should be the opposite, society should work to become more tolerant of "weird" people, the word "weird" as an adjective to people shouldn't even exist, people should be free to express themselves however they want. You're suggesting that being true to yourself is something that deserves hate, you know what I mean?

[@Yboy_g41]

I know, I apologise for the Things I got wrong, I might've worded the Ending Wrong, But it kinda had to throw my Two cents, Also what I meant by "Normal" is not "stop being LGBT", What I meant is not to make being Gay, Bi, Trans... Your whole personality I know That Transphobes/Homophobes Suck and all, But the Way we Treat them just Proves their Point, Educate, don't Scald Again, I apologise if I got things wrong

[@Jjjjjjjjthe]

@@Yboy_g41 I’ve heard the “don’t make it your whole personality.” To most people I’ve heard say that, that means “don’t make jokes about you being gay. Don’t even mention it at all.” I’ guessing you mean like the “alpha sigma males” that are “carnivores,” but for LGBTQ?

[@hillabwonS]

People actually treat people like me like a GOD?

[@wyguyagain]

yea, tahst waht i'm saying! like, where is my praise? lik

[@d3v934]

woa, you're ace? me too! i fully agree with some of the stuff you said here: it's important to know stuff abt identities, pronouns, sexualities, yadayadayada, but it doesn't need to be brought up again and again. the ppl who dont have the exact thought process of you aint gonna change it cuz its the 20319203912nd time you said it. also, i believe that a person's sexual orientation or gender identity shouldn't be that person's whole identity. there's more to me than i'm ace, or i'm gay. it doesnt need to be the main point of a conversation 24/7. moreover, the world's not gonna end because someone used a difference noise to refer to you in third person as to the one you prefer. sometimes, ppl do it intentionally, but half the time, they do it on accident. and, the times they DO do it on intention, it's not even worth it to change their mindset. it would be like talking to a wall and punching air. but, as many ppl have pointed out already, suggesting ppl to act 'normal' is a pretty bad way to word it. however, its good that you acknowledged that you could've worded it better. in conclusion, let people act the way the want to (as long as its not harmful, i.e pdfilia). if sexualities and/or gender identities matters to a person more than the average person, then that's completely okay, imo. HOWEVER, no one should try to force their ideologies on to other ppl. if you think there's no more than 2 genders, that's okay. if you think that a character being gay is important, then that's okay as well. if you think that either of these ideologies are goofy and you're criticizing them, then that's okay too! but what is NOT okay is to act like absolutely everyone in the world should think that way. ppl are different. each person's ideologies, mindsets, everything is different from each other. it's important to acknowledge that.

[@Yboy_g41]

That's what I've been trying to say, but my tone was kinda harsh

[@d3v934]

@@Yboy_g41 if i were seeing all the stuff on a daily basis, then i would get frustrated too, ig. but on the better side, at least it draws more views via rage interaction? or something. idk

[@olea1314]

Recommended new title: My Problems with selflove and letting people live / Framing the f out of marginal issues of like .1 percent of LGBT members

[@Yboy_g41]

Did you watch the video ?

[@shayolinparker2934]

Bro, have you never been in a conversation that has more than you and one other person? Group conversations use pronouns constantly for people that are standing right there

[@AverageChatter-q8z]

I don't know how much my opinion about this matters, but here it goes anyways. I can see where you're coming from, but I don't agree with what you're saying. So I'm going to provide a structured response to it just trying to say what I believe. And I don't want you to see this as hate to the video. I understand your frustration with what is going on. But I feel that these views, which are surprisingly common against the LGBTQ+community, continue to be harmful and have negative effects on inclusion and representation for people. The idea that non-cis people have this crazy radical ideal of how they expect people to use their pronouns is not really true. At least from what I've seen, trans people only get frustrated and angry after continuous and intention misgendering from people. The majority of them are understanding when it comes to people trying to say the correct thing. All they look for is that people put in some effort to use the correct pronouns, and that they listen to them when they tell people the way they want to be addressed (I'll probably go back to this soon-ish). Also, the idea that there are "too many pronouns" is relatively weird, because gender and gender identity are on a spectrum. At least in the way I see it, it's kind of like color. People know red when we see it. But when it begins to get closer to other colors, we begin to assign different names to it (like going from red to orange). Pronouns and gender are kind of like coming up with the color that alligators with them closest, and sometimes they can't find that color. That's why there are so many pronouns and genders. Because there is (technically) as many gender identities as there are people on earth. The second point, at least to me, is looking at the world from only one viewpoint. It's great that you understand that the community is there and proud, and that it should exist, but not everyone believes that. Normalizing the idea that it's okay to not be cis, straight, all that. It's also so people who intentionally discriminate people of the LGBTQ+ understand that that's not okay. That means the information has to be strengthened by the amount of people saying it. Going into the third point is where I strongly disagree. You shouldn't have to ask to know if people are people. But there are so many people who still act like trans people don't matter. Most of these tweets do two things - they show that it's okay to be trans, and they show to people who don't respect trans rights that trans people are people. Also, there's two ways of seeing the idea of importance. Either everyone is important no matter what, or nobody is importance until they do something to change the world. I personally believe that everyone is important because everyone deserves to be heard. Being able to boost trans voices and saying "we're here, we don't want to be silenced" is extremely powerful to improve rights of people. The next point you make is such a common argument against diversity. The idea that "I'm fine with the LGBTQ+ community, just don't shove it down my throat" is very dangerous to say. The reason there is inclusivity in games is because it's a representation of the player. It's much easier for somebody to immerse themselves in the game when there are characters they sympathize with. By saying to reduce inclusivity because it's "not inclusivity," it kind of makes the point that seeing these people in the games inherently makes it worse. Finally, the last part really doesn't make sense to me. If people aren't acceptant, why is that okay? Is it okay to silence people because they were born with a penis but don't use he/him pronouns? Because maybe they're a guy, and they like guys? If people aren't acceptant of the LGBTQ+ community, if they make those people feel unwelcome, make life more difficult for them for no reason, it harms people. And the idea that it's "your fault" if you don't follow norms of sexuality and gender and get harassed, threatened, and have an increased chance (around 4 times the likelihood) of experiencing violence just feels extremely ignorant on the issue. I'm sorry if this was kind of a rude way of putting this. I still respect what you feel about this subject. But I also want to try to, at the very least, make you think about how these views may affect people.

[@Missing_Texture_Checkerboard]

It's just that this guy misrepresented Twitter users (erm actually its X) as the entire community.

[@wyguyagain]

hhhhhh all of this normal discussion in the comments without much stupid bickering is so nice and refreshing. i feel good reading it.

[@FNFortuneAlt]

As a non-binary pansexual.. I agree with most of it tbh, still kinda a touchy subject tho

[@wyguyagain]

I agree that pronoun stuff is stupid. i feel like people might not even know waht they are. also, people get way to upset about people saying the wrong thing mistake. it's not deep. 1:12 fr! (btw, 1:00 x has always been used to make that sound. it's nothing crazy.) why do people treat pronouns as though they are the thing that is the most important. just say if you wanna be refered to as masculine, feminine, or unspecified instead of he, she, or they. you feel gender dysphoria, not pronoun dysphoria. 1:21 in waht way? also, so? i hate when people think that something being kinda cringe is an ishme and not just an ishyou. you are the one who is having an emotional response so just take a minute away. i know waht its like to feel very strong and stupid emotions at some times that just kinda come out of nowhere, and taking a break is usually waht i do. the thing you said about memes… i hate when people complain about memes being unfunny or unoriginal. just let people have their laugh as long as it doesn't spread hate. 1:24 yes, you do… but you'd be supprided on how many people don't like thinking. (barely related side note: refusal to think further may cause a doomsday scenario where denialism takes its place as the way most people think. Do not let this happen!) on the issue how people argue nowadays, i feel that is a problem with society as a whole and i-more than anyone-am disappointed this is the world i was born into for this particular reason. there is such a noticeable difference between the presidential debates of today and the stuff from decades ago. the same can be said for any argument. i would go on a whole rant about anti-intellectualism as a whole, but that's its own issue and im already one topic away from the queer discussion. i honestly don't know wahts up with the whole third thing so im just not gonna give thoughts. i genuinly don't know where this train-of-thought appeared from. 2:46 no, not really. reply to the message they were replying to: waht. again, i dont know where to start. i'm just confused. this is a thing that people actually get mad about? idk waht kinda lunatics would be upset about that; but, you gotta spend some time off twitter if you think that's a thing most people are throwing fits over. 3:01 i agree that being mean isn't the way things should be handled. if someone says something taht is kinda upseting to you, then just ignore it or give a kind response. i must say though, if someone is being an ass about something, then it's ok to be rude back. 3:51 i'm sorry, waht the actual what. …i'm just gonna pretend the whole outro didn't happen. anyways, kool vid! i love hearing others opinions when it's done calmly. ps: always keep in mind, if there is something you can't comprehend, then what right do you have to get mad at someone for feeling it.

[@firecypher8398]

obvious bait is obvious

[@maplebox-vd2sb]

being lgbtq is fine if you aren't constantly yelling about it and complaining about people outside the group, just like any other group or religion

[@MoronicPlague]

Unfortunate case of the loud majority, I can assure you those types of people are just loud and annoying because of the way they are, not because they're gay.

[@VeilsideTofu]

"lgbt is fine as long as they're in the cloest"

[@wyguyagain]

i'm tired so my mind skipped over "…group or…" and i was like queer isn't a religion?! LOL

[@BloodKandyx]

As an LGTBQ person myself, I totally agree with this video. Like you said, it's annoying how some people act all offended because God forbid you didn't use the correct pronouns. Like yes, it's disrespectful to call a trans girl "he", but at the same time, if it's by accident, just correct them in a civil way and move on. For the second one, I agree with as well. And hey, you should spread the word to respect LGTBQ people. However, there will and there is some people who don't support LGTBQ, and you can't really change their minds. So saying "TRANS PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE" over and over isn't gonna make transphoes change their minds. Again, it's good that you're spreading the word, but it's sometimes annoying how they do it, y'know? And for the LGTBQ community being civilly criticized, yeah I agree to. Yes, it's good to have a diverse cast of characters. But, if there's, let's say a bisexual character, you don't have to make it their whole personality. And if you dare criticize that, then people will automatically accuse you of being homophobic.. I just don't like how some people make being LGTBQ their whole personality. I mean, we get your bi, gay, whatever, I accept you but you don't gotta bring it up every 5 milliseconds. Rant over sorry this was so long lmao QwQ

[@maiavixen]

it's not about "trans people being people", it's about validating their experience as a trans person, the tweets say "trans women are women", and "trans men are men", not "trans people are people", it's not to fend off transphobes either, it's to make sure that trans people genuinely feel seen. I'm not affected by transphobes all that much as a trans woman, but I have a few friends who are trans and appreciate the "trans X are X" tweets quite a lot.

[@oxintoma32dev]

I totally agree with everything you said. Especially on the fact that they say it all the time. Like ok i get it you like men, you dont have to announce it everywhere and to everyone. Like these people that have in their bio "I'm homosexual, I'm heterosexual, I'm Bi). Also the other thing is that they want to be accepted by everyone. No you can't,everyone has their opinions and should be accepted. (only if its not pure hate and harassment). Personally I just don't accept that there are more than 2 genders. It's just my opinion, but I never told anyone that its wrong and to not do that. It's their choise and i wont give a damn.

[@piyng]

homophobia is pure hate though? what

[@Yboy_g41]

Hate is an umbrella term for any kind of Discrimination

[@magNICKal]

Idk man, you wouldn't tell other groups to "just be normal", would you? Statements like that can be harmful. If you don't know any trans people (probably most transphobes), the pronoun stuff doesn't affect you at all. It's not hard anyway, and a mistake is no big deal. If someone is public about being LGBTQ does it really affect you? Not enough that they should change their behavior or hide just because you're made uncomfortable from their existence.

[@Yboy_g41]

You're the Exact type of person I was talking about

[@VeilsideTofu]

@@Yboy_g41Using correct pronouns towards people is so difficult I agree, the entire world should just change to fit your views.

[@Yboy_g41]

Did I ever say that, Feel free to use Pronouns, just don't get mad when people accidentally use the wrong ones

[@melon64_]

I'm not apart of the LGBT community, but I agree with this! Especially the pronoun part.

[@VeilsideTofu]

If you're not a part of it, then shut your mouth. You have zero clue what problems we have to deal with.

[@LeBabol]

i agree tbh also i am not transphobic or homophobic i've been called either of those many times and i am kinda used to it but i am not either of those

[@holidayy2468]

bro has a point can we just shut up and be normal for once