My Problems With Toby's Discovery - Halloween Special

[@tre-engines]

I actually have a theory on why Toby was so afraid in this episode. I think the scrapped engines and forgotten railway reminded him of his past experience on his old line and what would’ve happened if Sir Topham Hatt hadn’t saved him or maybe… He did work at the mine as it is shown that his old railway was on Sodor in the show so maybe he thinks the ghosts of his abandoned friends might come to take revenge.

[@retrogamelover2012]

Well, I mean, with the rusted remains of engines, wagons, machinery and such, I wouldn't be surprised if it made Toby uneasy, akin to what going to a scrapyard would look like.

[@BKRproductions6468]

"Hello everyone! Meet Roger the Asthma Engine!" *seizure noises* That just got me dying.

[@CajonPassStudios]

0:09 🤣 That video sponsorship flob-up had me in stitches!

[@jonathanadair6847]

Abandoned places at night are supposed to be scary, so Toby’s fear is completely justified

[@joshuaW5621]

Fun fact: Bertram was originally meant to be a tank engine, but they didn’t have enough money to make a new model for him, so they just repainted Duke and stuck Smudger’s face on him to save money.

[@tre-engines]

It does make sense, I mean why would they go through the trouble to make a new model for a plot device character that appears for 18 seconds with no dialogue

[@usualblokeluke]

That explains a lot Had he been a new model make, I would dislike him a little less

[@joshuaW5621]

@@tre-engines too bad they didn’t do the same with Thumper.

[@mr.penguindrewmateo8146]

@@joshuaW5621 My simple solution to that is to just not make him a character and just a machine

[@retrogamelover2012]

@@usualblokeluke Either way, I'm not exactly going to complain about how he looked. He kind of seems like the Palmerston to Duke's Prince, in all honesty. I just wish that he was given more time to shine. Perhaps as like a more laid-back and slightly over-confident foil, to the strict father figure that Duke is known to be.

[@andrewboyd8073]

That Roger the Asthma Engine gag legit had me in stiches.

[@TheBigPercenter]

6:44 The dust really aggravates Roger’s condition 😂 love that bit, Luke.

[@jordanlowman6924]

That was sick 🤣

[@bradleyconrad2141]

I have a funny idea of this take of the story! Toby is excited about taking the fat controller and his grandchildren to some new locations he discovered on the tramway line being Ulfstesd castle and the mines. But as work is happening on these restorations, Mavis boasts about not being afraid of ghost while Thomas who encountered ghost before is a bit spooked while Toby isn’t hesitant and doesn’t like that Mavis is teasing Thomas while Percy is worried about the ghost. One night, Mavis did a night shift which she thinks she’s brave until she comes across the spooky atmosphere and the ghost of the old warrior actually spooks Mavis. Toby saw Mavis return feeling horrified as Toby investigates with Mavis who is still spooked until she discovers Bertram who explains what happened to him in the past years of the mid Sodor and is happily reunited with Sir Handel and Peter Sam to which they mentioned that Duke was at the works but he be pleased to reunite with his long lost brother, which shocked Mavis and Toby but everything went well with the new attractions on the tramway line and Mavis doesn’t tease others about ghost again. Overall thoughts on my idea of the story?

[@LunoTheCheekyBlue1]

8:28 Bro you cant drink that through the fabric? i mean, it might stain it, sure, but it could still be able to be consumed while wearing the costume...

[@ToQ_Ichigo]

I think the part where you think Toby shouldn’t be sacred about the mines isn’t really valid. Like, they show many of times where scrap engines lie all over the land, something Toby once feared before being purchased by the Fat Controller. Also, the part where you say the Ring of Roses part that’s actually Toby’s theme turned spooky. Something Mike and Junior also did for Henry in Haunted Henry. And the Bertram thing I get, but as T1E2H3 said, the mystery behind Bertram is what makes him work as a character. We don’t know who he is or what his intentions are. So we should just trust Toby’s reaction that he’s a friendly guy.

[@SrMechaGojira93]

Even as a kid, I’ve always considered this episode a mixed bag. Love the costume. While Toby’s wimpy persona started here, it wasn’t part of his character 100% like the rest of the series afterwards. Everyone always keeps giving HiT (then later Mattel during BWBA) too much flack for constantly adding in pointless new characters in order to make more money, but I say this was the first episode to do this practice.

[@TheNwr1]

So there's a story the Buried Truck wrote some time back, where Toby keeps running into a ghost in the Hackenbeck tunnel. It's a benevolent ghost, who is said to be reaching out to Toby largely because he's so wise and experienced. That's kinda my headcanon for this episode. Toby felt legitimately terrified because whatever spirits were about in the mine were reaching out to him in some way, as in, he's wise enough to know when something supernatural is actually going on, whereas Thomas would be freaked out by the fog and noise. There's also a theory that the signalman that helps them find their way initially is also a ghost or spirit, and only Toby and STH encounter it. Maybe the spirits were reaching out to protect the mine, or give some kind of warning to the dangers of further colonizing the area, who knows, but that's how I rationalize it.

[@rhyusbrand8311]

6:42 roger the asthma engine

[@mmmrrreeeooowwwthecat8183]

The only real problem with the episode is Bertram lol, Toby had a reason to be scared, Who wouldn't be in that situation?

[@mechanicalshed4556]

You really didn't hold back the punches with the comedy here, I loved every minute of it 😂

[@RWSfan2024]

6:35-6:47 idk why but this is just so fucking funny

[@mason768qy]

can't take this seriously when your in a Spiderman costume 😅

[@laurapritchard1617]

Maybe Bertram is a type of ghost spirit who tries to help other engines for advice. I wished they included him more in further episodes.

[@e-122psi3]

I think execution is largely a key factor with the 'jittery Toby' episodes. There's still plenty later episodes that take that direction but he at least starts off in character until something legitimate sets him off, see Toby's New Shed or Hasty Hannah, those are kind of fun, showing it's still Toby but he's capable of being not so above it all. But there's just too many others that cut the formalities and make him a wuss from the start.

[@JRS06]

How do you make these reviews so funny? I will never forget gigachad Toby or The Fat Controller saying "colonise this bitch". I wanna see a story on Roger the Asthma Engine, he looks like he could have a great arc. I don't recall seeing this episode as a kid, even though I did have an ERTL Bertrum. I can see the faults with the episode, but I can also see why people would love it.

[@ShortPuff]

My biggest issue with the episode is bertram himself. People somehow heard of this engines, rumours started going around, yet nobody is able to find him at a pretty visible spot ? Really ? How on earth has no one spotted him while they were restoring the place ? How did thomas even heard the story ? How did toby not see bertram in the previous day's ? The mystery aspect of this episode falls completely flat, and makes no sense to me. A few others nitpicks i have are, TFC opening an attraction at the mines. Why that place ? No idea. And while i do understand toby been scared when it was night time, but when it was day time ?? I find that a little out of character for him to suddenly be afraid. Even more so thomas not being the one to be scared, even though his portrayed much younger than toby, and is much more known to be afraid of such things. So for toby to suddendly believe thomas' story and get scared ?? Nah, that's just ain't it. No excuses there. I just feel like they completely swapped both of their characters just to have another toby spotlight This episode is no different to percy and the haunted mine for me. Except i'm more able to somewhat understand percy being frightened in that episode, due to the sudden collapsing of the building. Which quite frankly, is pretty terrifying.

[@MrRandomYouTuber1996]

There’s a creepy video I saw that said there will evil people who live in the mines of the castle

[@eddiethefriendlytenderengine]

It's like Marley said in Home Alone, “You can be too old for a lot of things, but being scared isn’t one of them.” I’m not saying I support Toby's wimpy, cowardly personality from the later seasons, I’m saying that he can be allowed to have certain fears with justification. Personally, I believe his fear of the mine was justified because of the scrapped carcasses of engines. I state this, because Toby, himself, was bound for the scrapyard before Sir Topham Hatt bought him. As for him getting scared at Thomas's mention of the old warrior ghost, I believe Toby was too scared of the mine to think properly.

[@alexis_ian]

I never really find this episode scary though didn't notice Toby being scared when it first appeared. Now having seen it an older image yeah its hard to ignore Toby being scared I like the mystery of the old Quary line which continues to fascinated me

[@1v1_Empire]

2:42. Idk why but I laughed so hard! The mask is what did it for me! 😂😂

[@giulianodervelociraptorder734]

Luke's first controversial video.

[@rhyusbrand8311]

0:25 The Spooky Season is _Among Us_

[@Kidsmtvslvback]

I’d put this episode in the middle of my season 5 rankings.

[@jtonsing]

Speaking of Ghost Train (Percy's Ghostly Trick), I was re-watching the episode yesterday and a question came to mind. Does Percy show up at the sheds from behind or in front of Thomas and Toby?

[@usualblokeluke]

I always took it as appearing behind them though they never specifically say where he enters the shed from

[@jtonsing]

@@usualblokeluke See that's what I've always thought myself, and while the episode never flat out shows or states anything, they do mention Thomas 'Having just seen a GHOST' at the end of the episode, as well as the shot of the doors opening to Percy's face. It's elements like that that just make the episode somewhat confusing lol

[@NickelPlateDave]

Are they actually legit tomy brand trains or off brand

[@usualblokeluke]

Legit

[@imoldsquarewheels695]

Can I break into your house and steal your black Spider-Man costume?

[@usualblokeluke]

Too late I already fixed the damn door

[@imoldsquarewheels695]

@@usualblokeluke Is that all you got?

[@westinbridges7321]

Toby's scared persona has a weird debate on when it started, is it this episode? Is it Toby's Windmill? Is it the HIT era? What is it?????

[@usualblokeluke]

I'd say You Can Do It Toby

[@westinbridges7321]

Yeah, that episode (being a HIT era episode) is considered the start of Toby's worrier persona we all hate. As a side note, sometimes, I wonder if the seeds of Toby's worrier were planted in Toby's Discovery and began taking off around the incredibly milquetoast Series 8 (of which You Can Do It Toby is an episode of that season) and got worse overtime *looking at you Signal's Crossed*.

[@thusgordonplot4721]

Season 5 has spooky episodes

[@andysnoopy9137]

I totally agree with this. This is an episode that would work better in the CGI series. I don't hate it, of course, but with a character swap, it could be better.

[@thecaledoniansleeper2648]

Careful Luke, you’ll make some of the rabid S5 fans insist that it’s bullshit.

[@killdozer7792]

As I said once before... "This is Bertram. Buy him. Roll credits." Yeah, Season 5 REALLY didn't know what to do with their new characters, with only a few exceptions.

[@supermariof0521]

And sadly HIT took that mindset and ran with it.

[@killdozer7792]

@@supermariof0521 At least HIT gave their characters LINES.

[@supermariof0521]

@@killdozer7792 Yeah but they couldn't be bothered to actually make them memorable.

[@NathanielPiscian]

God not even 5 seconds and I'm lmaoing hard🤣

[@fanofeverything30465]

When's the 'Calling All Engines' review coming out? Also I think that if Britt had still been in charge for Season 6 Bertuam would have been brought back

[@usualblokeluke]

It's in the air when that review will be out. Gotta Review Tugs first and that won't be out until Christmas given I'm also working on university projects

[@fanofeverything30465]

@@usualblokeluke I see 👀 I look forward to seeing it when it does come out Although since Tugs aired between Seasons 2 and 3 I'm curious about why you didn't do the Tugs review then

[@usualblokeluke]

@@fanofeverything30465 It was a milestone thing. Back when I did Series 1 to Magic Railroad, I set purely on reviewing Thomas. Then my channel took off at the start of the year and I thought I'd set the 2k sub milestone for a Tugs review to see if people wanted me to look at it. Shortly after the awdry extravaganza, I hit 2k subs and so Tugs it is.

[@fanofeverything30465]

@@usualblokeluke The Awdry extravaganza was in July so now I'm a little confused as to why the Tugs review wasn't out then

[@usualblokeluke]

@@fanofeverything30465 A lot of problems with my family and I moving house and then me moving again to my student accommodation

[@diabeticman2194]

While I love season 5, I will admit some episodes are just alright, this one being one of them. I think changing Toby’s reaction to Thomas’s story would make it way better from a character perspective, but what can you do.

[@PlayDontPause]

I can't believe nega-spiderman is promoting the consumption of alcohol. /s

[@usualblokeluke]

It's actually not Alcohol, just a sparkling juice we have in this country 🤣

[@PlayDontPause]

@@usualblokeluke 'Sparkling Juice'. Bro, if that's true, then why isn't there any light coming from the bottle? *mic drop*

[@toocooldarr_17]

Oh man I won't be able to make the premiere time but I'll stay watch the video and I also can't wait

[@Boostguardian1127]

I definitely understand the issues with this episode, i also feel Toby felt off in terms of character. Though im personally still okay with the episode, especially with its first half. Maybe the first and second halves wouldve made for better standalone episodes.

[@MrDuckAndZatara]

To Me, Toby's Discovery was better told by Thomas1Edward2Henry3's story adaptation of this story.

[@usualblokeluke]

Ooo not seen that version yet how good is it?

[@inkd33m0n]

0:05 spooderman

[@SagwaFan]

Why did this episode have to be written this way?

[@gabrielediconsiglio3206]

I actually quite like this episode. The only issue i have Is the fact that Toby thinks that the mine,or whatever It Is, looks scary during the day. During the night it's One thing but during the day?? Mhh.

[@stepneybulstrodemusic1761]

I’m glad I’m not the only one who doesn’t like this episode. Toby was so out-of-character when Thomas talked about ghosts, and Toby just immediately believed him. Doesn’t fit his wise personality at all

[@callum110597]

I don't blame you. I'm not really fond of the episode either. I mean, while I didn't realise in my childhood Toby was supposed to be wise, I was still surprised Toby would be scared about the old mine. 🤨 Just how exactly should he be afraid of someplace that's just abandoned and at daytime? But you do make a great point, that he was oddly convinced by Thomas there was a ghost. That didn't make sense either, I admit. Plus, the penultimate scene was pretty scary. 😱 I remember I oddly thought about it every time I came over to stay with one of my aunts and uncles as a kid. Man, that wheeshing sound really spooked me! 😨 But in the end, the episode is not terrible. Also not the worst of season 5, like you say. But I'd rather watch other classic spooky stories to it. And I respect anyone who likes the episode, including two of my close friends.

[@flashstudiosguy]

Maybe Toby's unease wasn't from "Ooh, it spooky!" but from the nagging sense of being watched but unable to see where from. Thomas's story only affects Toby because he's already on edge. Or the Writers are just dumb.

[@CapitalCityKate]

If you became the head writer of the show and want to create YOUR original characters for it, don’t make one them the shells of previous characters. It’s so tacky.

[@supermariof0521]

Sadly this episode pretty much set the standard for Toby's personality going forward. I mean as much as I liked the Series 20 episode, "Three Steam Engines Gruff", Toby was the most questionable aspect of it.

[@e-122psi3]

That episode really sticks out in Season 20, a point they were REALLY trying to fix things and get the characters back on track (pun unintended :P). If it wasn't for that episode, I'd say the Brenner era did an okay job with making Toby more flawed but bothering to be nuanced about it. Like, Hasty Hannah makes him jittery too, but something GENUINELY SCARY sets him off that way, he's normal sarcastic Toby at first.

[@khorcalson6656]

I have mixed feelings for this episode.

[@vehicleandanimalcrossovers]

7:02 Actually that's Toby, oh Toby in minor

[@tristanwinter9225]

Garden shed on wheels 😹😹😹

[@1v1_Empire]

Can’t wait! ❤🎉

[@flyingtardisOfficial]

you see, i see your points and in the context portrayed it doesn't make sense, however may i spin another angle on it? you probably said no but imma type it anyway for others, read if you want or not :P so, what if the main reason toby is scared wasn't to do with anything supernatural to begin with, considering the old mine was filled with scrap engines and was essentially run down beyond belief to the point i'm amazed it was saved, but what if he started with having an un-ease because of the scrapped engines and rolling stock and such, like these were his metaphorical brothers, and that sense of being watched is something his mind is doing seeing all the decay and trying to process it, it is only heightened by thomas' story which i think we only got a condensed child friendly version of where this old warrior "ghost" was one of the old engines that used to work at said mine, and mysteriously disapeared, but on moonlit nights it haunts the old mine, looking for engines to take away, which unbenounced to thomas he's heightened the fear of being scrapped in toby by accident along with seeing all the dead engines, but he was just trying to tell toby some old wives tale as he thought it'd be fun, maybe try and shit percy up later on when he's on guard, who knows, but this leads to toby hearing bertram and freaking out that his time has come or something only to discover bertram isn't some ghost, but was who the tale was based on as he supposedly went missing at the time the mine closed, but he was just in the mine, chilling out, his driver being the only company he had, and once the mine started being renovated he was brought out to help during the night, not realising there was a standard gauge engine on site and thus accidentally scares toby thinking he's next i know this is a stretch and is a lot of filling in blanks, but it does fit series 5's tone quite well, and makes the story seem a bit more thought out than just "oh look fun spooky romp" and i mean who knows, maybe these extra blanks were originally planned, i doubt we'll find out, but its interesting to speculate

[@usualblokeluke]

You make a very fair point The presence of those scrapped engines at the old mine may indeed put any engine on edge definitely. While I still stand by what I've said, I thank you for taking the time to write this in-depth answer out 🙂

[@jimmymccartney2049]

Series 5(1998)

[@ThomasAndRandomRobloxGames]

@@jimmymccartney2049 what why are you saying this we all know this except for people who grew up with the uk dub which was first and was narrated by michael angelis

[@jimmymccartney2049]

@@ThomasAndRandomRobloxGames and the us dub

[@ThomasAndRandomRobloxGames]

@@jimmymccartney2049 what this makes no sense

[@jimmymccartney2049]

Narrated by: Alec Baldwin and Michael Angelis

[@tugsfan1617]

But I think Gordon and the gremlin is worse then this episode but don’t get me wrong this episode made Toby has a wimp and Bertram is one of the most nothing characters in the entire show

[@diabeticman2194]

I can never hate Gordon and the Gremlin for the ending “a woof woof” Angelis gave, always makes me chuckle

[@thusgordonplot4721]

Mid Sodor

[@IslandofSodorflimssndchannel]

0:26 Stop posting about among us! I'm tired of seeing it! My friends on TicTick send me memes on Discord it's fucking memes.