My Son's Yeshiva Is Breaking the Law | NYT Opinion

[@colinprincipe6293]

This video should have put the fact that her divorce decree prevents her from pulling her son from the school more up front. I had the question of why she hadn't withdrawn him buzzing in my head through most of the video.

[@ow8857]

Still, the principle of the matter remains the same. 60,000 kids are being denied an education in NYC.

[@brett8460]

Same. I was about to comment "maybe take him out then?" until halfway through the video when she said she couldn't.

[@dorissaclaire]

Thanks, I was about to comment “or you could send your kid to public school if you want him to have an education held to...PUBLIC standards” Had no idea.

[@dorissaclaire]

@@ow8857 I mean I would argue the parents are CHOOSING not to give their kids that type of education...actually paying for it

[@czl29]

@@ow8857 Don't worry, 75% of them end up in ivy league colleges...

[@bbt305]

As she said, both can be done. I went to a catholic school, it went above and beyond what they taught in public school. And we still learned the religious aspects. Students were accepted from other faiths. My valedictorian was muslim. We had christians, jewish and secular. Those students had a choice to take philosophy. I took it as an elective. Regardless it is done successfully, at the very least allow the families and students to have the option. Then again changing schools is always an option.

[@mc-ge2bt]

Same. Also went to Catholic schools and some allowed non-Catholics. What is the issue here is this Hasidic community's use of their voting block as a means to avoid laws and regulations. This is at the cost of their children.

[@bbt305]

@@mc-ge2bt the cost is the children’s knowledge and the ability to continue education. They should not be pawns ♟ in this. The laws are there, enforcement should not be mixed with politics.

[@bensonfang1868]

Yeah my experience with catholic schools consists of losing to them in speech and debate competitions.

[@bbt305]

@@bensonfang1868 I was in Debate too in my catholic school lol! TD and LD. We got to go on all those trips. U of Michigan and Georgetown ahhh good times.

[@mlonardoxu]

Even the Modern Orthodox schools are segregated and 100 percent Jewish. However, in Modern Orthodox schools curriculum is good.

[@kingj_1697]

Religious Jew here: This is messed up. Even the most hardline catholic schools emphasize a strong education. Jewish law also emphasizes a strong education, so it's a shame that even the most religious yeshivas aren't living up to this. Do better.

[@deepsy2k]

There's no such thing as Jewish laws anymore, there are only rabbis cult leaders that profit from keeping their community ignorant

[@kingj_1697]

@@deepsy2k Not true at all. I have a lot of friends who were educated at orthodox/ultra orthodox schools and they still received a fine education.

[@philesq9595]

@@kingj_1697 Do you have any further insight regarding possible reasoning (i.e.: religious grounds? Political?) behind this turn towards deficient education? I'm an attorney and Jewish law schools like Cardozo are superb institutions; this story is a tad surprising to me.

[@London755]

@@kingj_1697 the singular priority in these communities is religious study, often at the expense of everything else. They expect their sons to become Rabbi, or at the very least, talmudic scholars.

[@kingj_1697]

@@London755 see Su Phar’s comment

[@asuspiciouslyefficientmito8338]

Absolutely! My father went to a Yeshiva. The majority of his family lived in poverty because their education was so minimal.

[@keilafleischbein59]

His parents had every option to pick a different school. He had every right to the library. Today we have the internet.

[@keilafleischbein59]

@@Джанин-к5п why did she marry an orthodox jew if she doesn't like orthodox?

[@keilafleischbein59]

@@andrewduffin5455 I said nothing of the sort. Quit the strawmen.

[@keilafleischbein59]

@@andrewduffin5455 every child should b able to access a yeshiva too. That's just liberty.

[@mlonardoxu]

Extremism occurs in all the major religions. This is sad.

[@mortifera123]

I don't understand how you can expect to raise community leaders without giving them a well rounded education, even with a religious focus. I'm glad this mom is speaking out and trying to get the situation changed.

[@jakeowen553]

Hello dear Nice to meet you I'm John How are you doing? Can I know about you

[@deepsy2k]

It's called religion, and it spreads stupidity

[@katerinahikesalot1644]

Sadly, they're not interested in raising community leaders. They're interested in brainwashing and raising religious scholars and baby-machine wives.

[@zardox0163]

@@katerinahikesalot1644 and I can claim that your government schools are interested in raising self entitled social justice warriors. Curb your Marxism.

[@annab9994]

Easy. By not giving them any chance to build a decent life outside of community.

[@cbwavy]

Oh boy, this is gonna spark a religious war in NYC. More power to you.

[@SolaceEasy]

This ain't half is bad as the Christian nationalism that is taught in homeschools in Idaho.

[@AA-yt9ch]

She should just not be Jewish.the parents maybe religious, but the children has a choice of following the same path

[@deeznutz8320]

@@SolaceEasy Those homeschool kids aint getting taught to hate gentiles like these hava's do

[@heathertoribio5824]

@@SolaceEasy such an edgy response.

[@sarahnicole45]

I'm with this mother and the former Yeshiva boy (now man). I'm a Conservative Jew.

[@marabookstagram]

It's frustrating how much religious organizations get away with in the US. The government is so often afraid to interfere even when laws are being broken.

[@MattSezer]

They need their votes to win elected office in New York.

[@kilobyte8321]

One religious organization in particular...

[@SatinWorshipp]

I hope she can renegotiate her divorce agreement.

[@danielyeroshalmi7492]

at least she wants the problem fixed and not the school shut down

[@princessjohn2066]

at least??? mind your wording

[@autumnbranch5839]

As soon as ANYONE lifts a finger to address this, they'll be called anti-semitic. We all know it.

[@kilobyte8321]

Stop noticing things!

[@yiddena]

That's ridiculous 😒 This issue is a well-known fact!

[@sarahtobore2832]

In my country, specialised religious institutions, or Muslim Schools/ Madrassa are often separate institutions. They are not funded by the State and are mostly after-school or Summer programs. The ones which operate as fully functional schools teach ALL REQUIRED SUBJECTS with an emphasis on Islamic Education. That way everyone is happy and the students are looked after.

[@InklingThe]

These schools are not state funded

[@sarahtobore2832]

@@InklingThe gee duhhhh 🙄

[@berryberrykixx]

I didn't know this. Around here, we have Muslim schools, but Ohio and Michigan enforces that they receive a complete education. Maybe that's why their communities churn out doctors. I have always thought that the Yeshivas were equivalent... what a tragedy for these kids!

[@nikki7088]

I think it is despite the state (Ohio & Michigan) rather than because of the state that so many Muslim schools produce physicians. Within Muslim communities, pursuing higher education is very highly encouraged.

[@mlonardoxu]

These Ultra Orthodox communities take more welfare than any other group in USA. They are mostly in NY and NJ but growing and spreading through out the USA. They also don't vaccinate regularly or wear masks during Covid-19.

[@zohy98]

As an israeli, I can completely understand where she's coming from. My mom lied most of my childhood, telling the school we lived with my aunt so that I could go to a secular school and not the orthodox school in our neighborhood. It's a huge topic here, and frankly I support that woman 100%.

[@eladsinger9215]

Your mother REALLY cared about your education, Zohy. I was in yeshiva once. Glad I escaped.

[@KS-cl8br]

A private school should not be provided any $$$ from the government.

[@mlonardoxu]

The money is for text books and transportation to these religious schools. Transportation is very expensive because they require girls and boys to be segregated in the bus. This is true in Lakewood NJ too. Why should taxpayers pay for religious textbooks? If they are buying math and science textbooks, they certainly aren't using them.

[@googleuser9592]

The money isn't going to their religious studies. The money goes to the children's food and the extent of secular and extracurricular activities they have, so that's what you want to take away?

[@googleuser9592]

Private schools receive a fraction of the funding that public schools get, even though the private school communities are paying the same amount of property taxes (which pays for schools) as the public school communities. So essentially it's the opposite: the private school parents are funding the public schools, not the other way around

[@ozdoits]

I had never known these facts, or this perspective. I'm glad to have learned them.

[@vanguardsupreme2.017]

Indeed me too👍

[@RR-mb7dn]

Just remember: this is a NYT OPINION piece. This is a different culture with different lives, you can’t always look at it through a western capitalist lens.

[@amritsingh4251]

@@RR-mb7dn At least they write that it's an opinion piece unlike most news channels. I'm happy that they're doing so.

[@GlamGoddes101]

@@RR-mb7dn the guy in the video said he didn’t even really know who MLK was. It’s not just about educating kids so that they could go into jobs, it’s about educating them so they can understand the world they live in

[@greywolf7577]

@@RR-mb7dn So what? If a different culture does something immoral (in this case, not educating their children) then the government has a responsibility to step in a change it. I hate to go Godwin's Law on you, but seriously, how would these Jews feel if the US had said during World War II, "Nazi Germany is a different culture. We shouldn't impose our values on them."?

[@chudleyflusher748]

Weird. It’s almost like they should establish schools for the PUBLIC. Free from religious nonsense and dogma. Even better, make it FREE for ANYONE to go to...wait...

[@HesderOleh]

and then force everyone to go to those schools and outlaw private education?

[@CloseUp1961]

The "Voting Blocks" are not Learning Blocks

[@elisabethschmerzler963]

For the "People of the Book" this is extremely horrible.

[@Finians_Mancave]

IOW, they can't even prepare future doctors or lawyers for their own communities... I mean, one assumes they would WANT ultra-orthodox practitioners, so where exactly are these professionals supposed to be trained if not in those communities? Maybe that is the argument this mother can start with....

[@shmuelnathan4813]

This is a load of hogwash. I went to these schools and have an excellent education. The schools provide the necessary education. This woman is someone who went away from the religion and has a bone to pick. This happens in all devout religious schools of any religion where a heavy emphasis is placed on religious studies. There's plenty of equivalent studies, they're blinded by hatred to see it. If you look at education results as your determining factor on education. These kids who attend religious school commit criminal activities close to a zero percentage. Additionally some of them grow to be the wealthiest folks there are. In short there's no laws broken and this women is spreading libel. Oh right this is the New York Blinds which ignores facts completely and accepts fringe opinions for reality.

[@bp6877]

Thanks for your comment. I believe a good yeshiva education teaches one HOW to think, but in my professional dealings with the Community, I've found huge gaps of knowledge which, if they had had it, would have made them better, more effective professionals, especially in law. While many do go into business, it's also the case that a good number go on welfare; that's not fair to the taxpayer. So, why not have a great education in secular subjects AS WELL AS the religious ones, to produce well rounded students who'll be competent citizens? But yes, the NYT is the NYT! That, I agree with you wholeheartedly on! Kol tuv and hatzlachah!

[@XX-gy7ue]

this problem is much bigger than stated here ! this is a very brave video !

[@raymond19870510]

meanwhile in China. kids spend most of thier time on education. no religion allowed in school. i am quite shocked when I know the best school are religion school in West.

[@samswift102]

The majority of secondary schools and universities are secular. It’s private schools that get away with this.

[@TokyoBalletReprise]

No, all the best colleges in the West are secular with most students/teachers being atheists. MIT is a big atheist factory lmao.

[@greywolf7577]

The older religious schools that have started letting in people of all faiths and focusing on education (like Notre Dame) are very good, but the religious schools that still focus mainly on religion are still really poor schools.

[@kilobyte8321]

@@TokyoBalletReprise Is that why they're focusing on woke politics and preferred pronouns while China continues to outpace us?

[@TokyoBalletReprise]

@@kilobyte8321 China is not outpacing the US lol. Just because you don’t like Biden it doesn’t mean China is getting ahead of the US. China would need 50 years minimum to catch up to the US military wise and that’s if the US completely stopped funding the military.

[@lizahope1233]

I am a member of the chassidic community. And so is my husband. He went to the schools she is bashing. Yes his secular education was not exemplary but he got great educational skills through the very intense Jewish studies program. He is currently working on his master’s degree and doing very well. He has been successfully employed until now and as soon as he decided to go for his degree he found many resources within the community to help him out.

[@mlonardoxu]

I think you're missing the point here It is NY State law to have all children learn secular subjects. Everyone else follows the law. Why can't this group?

[@lizahope1233]

@@mlonardoxu of course we follow the law! All of our children get a secular education.

[@lohphat]

Cults never think rules apply to them because they’re “special”.

[@diannerose8030]

Your a very brave, strong mum, i hope your message gets through and action happens

[@jakeowen553]

Hello dear Nice to meet you I'm John How are you doing? Can I know about you

[@diannerose8030]

@@jakeowen553 why?

[@AsimoTan]

This is a HUGE problem in Israel. Don't let that happen in the US.

[@SimchainIsrael]

As an Orthodox Jew I could not agree more. It’s amazing this call out is coming from within the Jewish community: we are best able to advocate for ourselves. NOTE: If you’re reading or watching this as a non Jew and it is just affirming stigmas about the orthodox community, please rethink uour bias. If this makes you think “ugh those awful jews in BLANK part of My city...” please stop watching and get to know a n Orthodox Jew. Orthodox Jews are the most highly targeted religious minority in the US. This issue is real and true AND orthodox especially ultra Orthodox Jews are highly marginalized community. Your job as an outsider is not to judge by one video or experience, but to get to know this community of people as much as you are able. AND Our children deeply deserve access to basic (or even outstanding!) education.

[@mendelkahn8639]

I would recommend watching the PETER SANTENELLO videos first

[@_a_6705]

If you're an "orthodox Jew" you should know how many times the Jews have given their lives to be able to study the Torah, you should know what your ancestors did to be able to learn the Torah, but instead you'd like to learn science or math. If you truly need "a basic education" so much, explain to me how so many people who have never been in college before make millions of dollars, some of the richest people in the world never went to college.

[@ovadialevy478]

Yehsiiva is a not a real education it’s strictly religious. People that go their are line the Amish

[@berryberrykixx]

In the Amish communities, their children are allowed to go out into the world for a time and at least get the option to become secular or stay in the community.

[@elikinberg921]

Thank you for highlighting this important topic. It is sad that there is a large segment of the New York City population who receive an inferior education despite existing laws meant to ensure a basic education for everyone. I am hopeful that public attention to the matter will generate much needed improvements in this regard.

[@mc-ge2bt]

Although unfortunate, this has nothing to do with the NYC School Department or it’s Chancellor. These are private schools are not under the NYC School Dept. They are under the state** education department and that is where this issue belongs. That and in family court to get her kids out of this school and in regular public school.

[@cromanxx1]

It's about money. Not education.

[@danj601]

I don't know when the ultra Orthodox suddenly decided that life is learning the Torah. It bothers me so much that it's more important to learn than work and do your part. Really a shame.

[@_a_6705]

It bothers me so much that someone who knows absolutely nothing about how the world works is telling people that work is more important than learning Torah.

[@mlonardoxu]

I've known about how the Orthodox community works for years. They also own and operate many nursing homes and home care agencies for minorities. With this level of isolation it makes me stop and think...

[@Taryag613]

This video makes it seem like these boys are totally uneducated, but thats not really accurate - rather they receive a different type of education. They come out very smart, with great analytical skills, etc. But they dont learn history, science, advanced math, basically to prevent them from going to college. In the end, they do gain the smarts and skills to run businesses. I know bc I work for very successful chassidic business owners.

[@mlonardoxu]

@@Taryag613 for every one successful Hasidic business owner, there are hundreds of families desperate to support themselves and forced to live on public assistance/section 8 housing that is controlled by the community

[@Taryag613]

@@mlonardoxu Im not sure about your stats but your general point is valid. I wud just say though, that at least where I live, the extent to which a family benefits from government hand-outs is not necessarily a reflection of that family's true financial situation...(but thats a whole other discussion).

[@greywolf7577]

@@Taryag613 Schools have the dual responsibility to both educate children so that they can get a job, and educate them so they understand the world. Teaching mostly religion doesn't help either of those goals.

[@aaron7189]

2:37 that says it all she left the community and is in a fight with her husband and went to the nyt to vent her feelings, the issue is these people don't want to just add a secular education to these schools they want to control what amd how it is taught

[@uv6483]

I don’t believe you can go against them in New York.

[@MattGaetzOnAWhiteFordBronco]

Are these the same groups in which measles outbreaks were detected? Y'know, just right before COVID-19!?!

[@elizabethhenning778]

Take a look at the maps of covid positivity and support for Trump in Brooklyn. That big red blotch in the middle is an ultra-orthodox neighborhood.

[@mlonardoxu]

Yes many won't vaccinate. These schools are partly publicly funded but no science curriculum.

[@Melissa0774]

I didn't know they could have a law like that. I thought private schools were pretty much allowed to do whatever they want as long as they don't outright abuse the kids. What do Waldorf schools do in New York? I think they don't teach kids to read or count until they're like 7 or 8 and there's a lot of other stuff they don't do, but I'm not sure.

[@willjackson143]

Hello gorgeous how you doing today hope you're safe I would be glad if you get back to me ..

[@shaygoldberg1735]

The schools are taking government funding so they are required to give a basic education

[@cheeseman0125]

I went to a Catholic school. I got a good education there

[@TestTheSpiritsIfTheyAreOfYAH]

Me too i got fake one not true Biblical Christianity , and nuns were really angry

[@annab9994]

Politicians will do nothing, because YOUR community leaders promised them their votes, as long as they don’t interfere 😐

[@JohnnyEMatos]

Don't get your education from people who deeply believe in stuff that they can't even prove to themselves

[@steven-el3sw]

Everyone deeply believes in stuff they can't prove to themselves - and that includes you. Unless you're omniscient which you're not.

[@JohnnyEMatos]

That's just you assuming everyone is the same

[@Liitebulb]

How does a school not teach science? What are state laws for if it is not enforced? And sorrythese schools exist because parents send their children... pull them out and stop paying tuition, that's how you twist their arm.

[@elizabetalace]

To the creators and participants of this video - thank you for your courage to enlighten this world through standing up personally for your message and for your will to better this world through bettering yourselfes and parts of your worlds, through fighting for your children and your lifes.

[@chrisk6453]

100 million annually in state funds and this is the curriculum?

[@greywolf7577]

Religious schools should never get a penny in tax money. That violates the Constitution.

[@desd111]

@@greywolf7577 Please read about the East Ramapo Central School District in New York. What the Hasidic leaders have done to that public school system is atrocious. The slowly took over the entire public school Board, and are syphoning all the money that should go to the public school and using it to fund their private Yeshivas. Absolutely disgusting what they've done and continue to do to those thousands of public school children.

[@apove1814]

Hearing the tales from these orthodox communities is learning there’s a North Korea , right here in NY.

[@sarahtobore2832]

Way to conflate Judaism with terrorism. Good job 👍

[@mlonardoxu]

@@sarahtobore2832 extremism can occur in any religion

[@sarahtobore2832]

@@mlonardoxu Clap for yourself, Captain Obvious

[@ifire28]

That’s a bit far

[@gobatron6589]

That any school in NEW YORK isn’t providing real education is appalling - if they still aren’t they shouldn’t be made to change because they’ll never do it properly if they aren’t even trying now, so unfortunately these schools need to be shut down. Shame. Why isn’t this mum putting her boy in a different non-Jewish school?! Surely they’re son doesn’t HAVE to go to a fake school?

[@mlonardoxu]

The divorce courts are paid off by the religious community. The divorce judge is requiring that he attend this school. Welcome to NYC. This is only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to this community that gets away with everything and has 10-20 children on welfare.

[@tessaayuningtyassugito4041]

My brother and I grew up in Indonesia (a country that ranked 72/77 according to PISA, so yeah we are definitely left behind), we were educated in Christian school in Jakarta from kindergarten to high school. He got admitted in MIT and at the moment pursuing his medical degree in one of Ivy League Univs. Private religion-based schools in Indonesia actually have excellent reputation, superior than most public schools. We learned all required subjects besides Christianity; history, economics, IT, entrepreneurship, foreign languages etc. We are thankful that we had the privilege to get educated at better schools. Of course, the education system in my country is far from perfect and still requiring lots of improvement. So, watching this, It's baffling to me as a non-US Citizen that you guys have such problems in religion-based education system and happened in advance big city like NY.

[@rachlovesthebeatles]

My husband went to a yeshiva school like this and went to Harvard Law School. So many people who graduate from these institutions go on to higher education or start their own businesses. This video is extremely misleading.

[@-MaryPoppins-]

This is the only type of school that I’ve ever heard of being allowed to slide through by not even educating the students (besides the Amish/Mennonite but they’re usually not going to be expected to work in anything other than their communities). It’s simply not the norm. So happy to hear you got a good education though!

[@mlonardoxu]

Catholic schools in USA are excellent and better than public schools. This video is referring to Ultra Orthodox Jewish schools. Amish schools are equally terrible.

[@mlonardoxu]

@@rachlovesthebeatles this community receives more welfare than any other community in USA. Large families and little education leads to poverty in most cases. Of course there are always exceptions.

[@mlonardoxu]

@@-MaryPoppins- Amish still have child labor so I think it's about time they update their schools as well

[@amilzola2321]

Crazy, the state orders that her kids be educated in a sub par school. Such BS.

[@eatmyshorts7973]

When you have horrible leadership and panderers most especially bill de toilet stain, anything is possible.

[@Jay-pj5tg]

as a jew, I agree and hope all lil baby jews can learn about science, mental health, sexual health, knowledge of drugs (the science of drugs and addiction info,) sexuality etc. We have to teach our young!!

[@eladsinger9215]

B'mhayru v'yomay-nu!

[@CEB1896]

The fact that this is legal is very surprising. But then again, I’m European.

[@BlueBaron3339]

I had no idea....I'm one of those so-called secular Jews which is a polite way of saying....what I just said - I had no idea. When I think of great Jewish intellectuals I think of Chomsky, I think of Einstein, I even think of Maimonides who had to have been more broadly educated than this.

[@mlonardoxu]

Extremism exists in all the major religions.

[@BlueBaron3339]

@@mlonardoxu Yes, but all religious people are not extremists. Heck, lots of folks who identify with a religion aren't even religious.

[@mollypinki7574]

Not agreeing or disagreeing with the video but maimonides never went to school and learnt everything he knew was from learning the Bible Not saying we should do this these days but he was not more broadly educated!

[@BlueBaron3339]

@@mollypinki7574 Thank you, Molly. I honestly had no idea. Makes him seem rather more remarkable actually.

[@eyallevin6302]

Chomsky is not a "great Jewish intellectual" 😂

[@avi9909]

Once again ignorance rears its covered head especially in the comments section. Simple question, how come there so many successful entrepreneurs in these communities with a "minimal" education. I know the answer, but something for the rest of you haters to ponder.

[@user-ld9hs1mb1u]

Religion and dogmatic practices belong in churches / private homes. Education, facts, science, and asking ALL the questions belong in schools.

[@BernB4233]

The majority of Orthodox Jewish schools have great education. The children spend most there (some as long as 11 hour school day) learning religious studies, however they learn all the necessary skills to go out and support their families. Having the government dictate the curriculum in religious schools is a slippery slope.

[@ringodax12]

They already do though according to this video. The law on the books is that they have to teach math and science and English at the same minimum level as a public school, and it is a minimum standard. This woman is saying that for her child and for all but two of the schools mentioned, the education isn’t sufficient to be at minimum standards. Clearly for some they aren’t learning the necessary skills in their schools. I am in a master program and study for about 10 hours a day and I can tell you that I certainly couldn’t do another class on top of that so there is no way the average small child can study religious studies for 11 hours a day and still have time to play and have a childhood AND learn history, math and science.

[@EricaNernie]

That's nothing. In one Ultra Orthodox Jewish community in London, they grow up not speaking English and get no science or maths at all. There's a BBC documentary on it somewhere.

[@gobatron6589]

:O

[@deepsy2k]

"There's a BBC documentary" - that can be said on anything 🤣

[@shaygoldberg1735]

Many hasidic men in America barely speak English

[@joeshmoe4590]

No one is forcing parents to send their children there, they choose to send to yeshivas because of their religious values. In the age of acceptance and equality etc. not seeing much here. As for public funding, in comparison to public schooling, the yeshivas are a huge savings for the state, check your facts. As a Hassidic yeshiva alumni myself, I can attest to getting a solid basic education, superior to most public schools, as per their test scores. You can have gone thru the yeshiva system and still be extremely successful in the ''real world'', (and being a die-hard Mets fan!).

[@whatsinaname7076]

Bravo to both The Times' & this caring, brave mom. Time to cripple arcane religious freedom laws which are misused. Though she can't pull out her kid easily, the weight of the law who should stand with her. Uneducated, unaware, un-vaccinated children in bulk are damaging to the world. Next, go to Utah.

[@mendelkahn8639]

Then she should sue her Ex-husband in the NY supreme for her son’s rights

[@SolaceEasy]

Re-litigate your divorce agreement. Chances for collective action in this matter are slim.

[@HesderOleh]

The courts generally favor the more religious parent who has the community's backing.

[@SolaceEasy]

@@HesderOleh More Extreme does not equal More Religious. If your religion is denying basic rights to children and you are more fanatical about that religion, that does not make you more religious.

[@SolaceEasy]

I am trying to offer the woman the most effective advice for her child in this situation. Reliance on lawmakers or the media is speculative at best. You must carry your own water in matters of the heart. You must defend your children with your life.

[@HesderOleh]

@@SolaceEasy Of course, but you know what I meant. The chances are slim for her, the courts will default to the kid staying in the same school they were in before. At least she is trying to help everyone.

[@eladsinger9215]

@@HesderOleh I thought that the husband was usually more favored in the ultra-orthodox milieu?

[@tzirelchana]

my sons attended these sorts of schools Two are successful realtors, one is in law school and another training to become a medical technician. These yeshivas offer a curriculum based on classical Jewish texts such as the Talmud which are full of wisdom and logic and advanced thinking skills. Other cultures recognize this---South Korean children study the Talmud because the Koreans recognize it's the power to develop the brain. What she is talking about can be filled in later--my sons attended accelerated catch up programs for Yeshiva graduates and now they are excelling in college. I hope she will learn to see the value in what her son is doing--learning logic, values, and a faith to carry him through this life.

[@yehoshuacohen4839]

Let’s examine this take with some critical thinking: Point 1 - Your example from your children is what we call an anecdote. It doesn’t tell us anything about the the impact a lack of secular education has on the overall population. Point 2 - While learning the Talmud as a part of an education can have a generally beneficial impact on cognition, that doesn’t indicate it’s an adequate replacement for a well rounded secular education. As we can see from the Korean example, they didn’t replace their secular education with Talmudic study, they added Talmudic study to enhance the education. As another example, we can look at modern orthodox schools which combine Jewish education with a strong secular education. On average, students from those schools are far better equipped and are far more likely to end up with successful careers, and to be positive contributing members of society, than those coming from Chareidi schools. In conclusion, while it’s an impressive accomplishment that your kids are enjoying successful careers in spite of the added difficulties owing to their lack of a good education, their success doesn’t refute the point that children are being harmed by being denied a basic education.

[@1drummer172]

Unbelievable; in America.

[@LP777-]

public school pledge of allegiance... one nation, under god our money... in god we trust our secular govt... has it's own pastor, begins every session with a prayer, and has elected officials who openly pander to the religious voter. Believable: it is America.

[@heathertoribio5824]

Am I missing something? Why is she choosing to put her son in this school if it is so terrible? I genuinely want to know. I feel bad for the guy who went through it and felt unprepared. He didn't have a choice.

[@yanethm2698]

She got divorced and the dad made her agree to send their son to this type of school during the divorce process. Must be some parenting agrreement based on custody time with the child I am guessing.

[@heathertoribio5824]

@@yanethm2698 that makes sense. Thank you for explaining.

[@josephm.6453]

Do people send their kids to these schools because they want the religious education or because they don't have another choice? It seems kinda stupid to complain about the type of education your kid receiving when you willingly picked that school by choice and not necessity

[@HesderOleh]

They face communal pressure or in this case the other parent insists. If there are laws about standards of education, they should be enforced.

[@deepsy2k]

It's a gated community, they don't have a choice

[@raregaming8685]

@@deepsy2k Once we have the ability to replace brain cells I am personally gonna make sure that you're the first one. The ignorance is real

[@Bob-ez6ie]

Both of you are wrong. There is no force whatsoever to send your kid to a specific place. Most ultra Orthodox Jews want this education. This woman is a b*tch

[@t0irc114]

the issue is city and state leaders cant do anything because if they did they would be accused of cultural appropriation

[@sarahtobore2832]

That's not what Cultural Appropriation is. Please learn the meaning of the terms before using them incorrectly

[@shad0wrune]

Mixing religion with education is never a good idea.

[@natalyaweiss1020]

I’m so glad this is being talked about by the New York Times. It is such a major problem yet has gone under the radar for so long.

[@yaronbahir]

This is exactly what happens in larger scale at the orthodox Jewish education system in Israel.

[@lucagonzalez7098]

That entire community is so exclusive and aloof, it makes complete sense that they get away with as much as they do

[@SolaceEasy]

All without walls or guns!

[@pippir]

I went to a Christian school for 6 years from 2nd to 8th grade and I got an excellent education. My school was super small so we really didn't have any options for electives but our core classes were excellent. We had Bible class every morning, Chapel on Tuesdays and everything was taught through the lens of a Christian worldview but I still entered my local public high school knowing just as much or more than the students who had been going to public school their whole lives. Religious schools can work, but laws need to be enforced to do so. I really hope that government officials step up and do what's right for the education of these children.

[@nonamenoname2767]

Dont send your son to religious institutions for a proper science knowledge, simple as that

[@gjvnq]

Can she sue the State to force the law to be enforced?

[@_robustus_]

Are we to assume that the majority of the parents do not know of the shortcomings? My best guess is they know and don’t care. I would love to know how this information was disseminated, but until I do I don’t think I’m going out on a limb here...

[@deepsy2k]

They know, some of them are brained wash to encourage this, and the others don't there to oppose, otherwise they'll be casted out of the community

[@lizahope1233]

@@deepsy2k we aren’t brainwashed. Just very happy graduates who like the education we received and we want the same for our children

[@mlonardoxu]

The parents also graduated from these religious schools and they don't know any better.

[@lizahope1233]

@@mlonardoxu true. I graduated from a Chassidic school with a NYS advanced regents diploma. And I hope that my children get the same education!

[@greywolf7577]

@@lizahope1233 The problem is that the education provided at these Ultra-Orthodox Jewish schools is just going to land the children in poverty because it doesn't provide enough practical skills. Mostly what it teaches is religion, which is worthless when it comes to actually getting a job.

[@hertzhur8022]

If you don't like it take your kids out of there

[@greywolf7577]

Did you watch the video? She can't because the divorce courts are forcing her to send her child there. Besides, even if parents want to send their child to a religious school, the children deserve an education so the religious schools need to be forced to provide a more adequate education.

[@roupa131]

NY States duty to shut them down. I’ve seen this in Quebec province.

[@user-fr5pt3ou3t]

If the parents want their kids minds poisoned unfortunately the government can't do anything about it. We all know what they'll be called for trying to help.

[@mendelkahn8639]

Government is not the one that should help your children learn, responsible parents should make their own decisions on whether their kids should switch to a better Yeshiva that actually teaches a proper education!

[@בינהלשם-ע5ת]

Alot of yeshivas have a very good secular edication, and the students score much higher on the regents then alot of kids in public school. So to put all yeshivas under one roof because of a few schools that don't is 100% WRONG

[@MattSezer]

I agree that the law needs to be enforced, but it seems to me like the bigger issue she has is with her ex-husband. Also, what legal recourse does he have if she decides to enroll her own son in a different school because the school that he's in is breaking the law?

[@kathyerickson9402]

Wow! Really interesting and powerful 3:37. Thank you.

[@spensert4933]

...and don't get me started on Texas high school textbooks haha...they don't study science either...

[@deepsy2k]

Is that the state that prohibits the evolution topic?

[@kilobyte8321]

It's almost as if this tribe has astonishingly strong political influence. They get away with things no one else could even dream of.

[@TonieJade]

Why is she only holding politicans accountable? Why is she not holding the community itself accountable?

[@greywolf7577]

Because they are mostly a lost cause.

[@Annie-ZA]

WOW! How disturbing. All the best Mom and son ... and your Ex is so incredibly selfish! SHAME ON HIM! 😝

[@silverpairaducks]

at least he wont be exposed to feminism and critical theory

[@munir9781]

@@silverpairaducks stfu. - Signed, the world.

[@mlonardoxu]

And the politicians who won't enforce the law? Shame on them too...

[@Annie-ZA]

@@mlonardoxu Definitely!!!

[@jakeowen553]

Hello dear Nice to meet you I'm John How are you doing? Can I know about you

[@travelsofmunch1476]

This is one of the biggest problems we as reform Jews have with the Hasidic community

[@lotusgrl444]

Would you categorize their views as very extreme?

[@eladsinger9215]

Reform! Yidden for Bacon!!! Yay!!!!

[@travelsofmunch1476]

@@lotusgrl444 Of course!

[@strange144]

As terrible as it is, I don't see the US doing anything "against" a Jewish community.

[@samtoo8649]

Get away from the religion and support your son in saving lives

[@mendelkahn8639]

Her son can have an education and still be religious that’s what she’s not saying!

[@mendelkahn8639]

She’s making it sound like the only way for her son to have an education is to run away from the religion

[@nusaibahslife]

Went to a Muslim primary school, had the same education as my public school counterparts as well as the extra Islamic Studies class, it's not that hard. Maybe it's just Australia tho.

[@ZubairKhan-tt8ev]

why not just send ur kid to public school if u think the yeshiva quality of education isn’t to ur standards?

[@debrac1688]

Because the DIVORCE COURT favors that a child born in a religious family should continue in the school system it started in

[@Adohleas]

If you watched the video, you would see that the divorce agreement required her child to be sent to the school that her ex-husband wants.

[@ronalddonner3396]

Why didn't you send your child (children) to free public school in the first place?

[@mult-tea6107]

I feel like officials won’t do anything because they don’t want to step on the Jewish communities toes especially when it comes time to voting and re-elections. They want to present themselves as if they are for all people no matter race, religion, gender etc.. so they’ll turn a blind eye as long as they can get a vote.

[@mendelkahn8639]

They shouldn’t step in it’s the parent’s problem or the schools problem not the officials in Albany

[@Danweida]

Most kids in American public schools don’t know who Martin Luther King are... many students do know who Martin Luther King jr. are though...

[@osiris_blanche]

Good grief. This makes Catholic School look reasonably healthy. How about ALL Religions should just not be taught in schools. Period.

[@mcdjinn6975]

Why is the state funding religious education?

[@martinmanzanares2289]

Write a resume. Apply for a job. Be able to file taxes... no class teaches you for the basics.

[@deepsy2k]

That's so true, all around the world probably

[@saquibc]

Despite all that is broken in the US, at least you are able to talk about it or protest. I am simply heartbroken by how extremist Islamist leaders in my country ~Bangladesh~ have hijacked the mainstream Muslim culture and are creating armies of intolerant and brainwashed children in madrassahs across the country. Even as a practicing member of the Muslim-majority, I am helpless to do anything or even say anything against those who are perverting my religion for their own narrow gains.

[@5ithofnov159]

just send him to another school. better yet make your on school with supporting members. money speaks in america in every religion

[@greywolf7577]

Did you watch the video? She can't because the divorce courts are forcing her to send her child there. Besides, even if parents want to send their child to a religious school, the children deserve an education so the religious schools need to be forced to provide a more adequate education.

[@zool201975]

i agree the school should change but lady... what did you expect from a religious school to begin with? and secondly why not protest and take your kid out of this school and into another in the mean time???

[@eatmyshorts7973]

Because through the divorce, the courts is forving her son to go to the cult school that deprives

[@zool201975]

@@eatmyshorts7973 the deal was a jewish school not that one in particular , while i really think there should be no religious education for minors, i doubt all of them are that bad

[@RhinocerosProductions]

I am in exactly the same situation. Ex chassidic full custody but the father can veto any decision to send him to an adequate school according to the courts. Here in Jerusalem the situation is similar

[@eladsinger9215]

My grandmother's name was Miriam. You WILL win. Stay strong! (Refugee from Yeshiva)

[@liamwatson5125]

Yeshivas don’t have the equity that normal schools have.

[@PastorVicenteBatista]

Hello friends! I wish the best for everyone. Have a great week

[@Prislv223]

Thanks man. Same! Have a good one.

[@pam0626]

What types of jobs await these Yeshiva graduates? Do they all become rabbis employed by the local temples? I would think that supply outpaces demand and more parents would be upset about the lack of career options.

[@mlonardoxu]

Welfare dependence is common in these communities. Families have 10-20 children and live in section 8 housing controlled by the community. The men pray all day and barely work. Anyone who leaves the faith, had better find a new place to live too.

[@pam0626]

@@mlonardoxu I had no idea.

[@dafnaschlosberg1298]

Ayy my school was featured in this

[@davidw3709]

She's got dead eyes like a shark. Her soul died a long time ago.