My Treadmill Desk Setup (After 2 Years)

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@PW060284 3 ай бұрын

I find that cycling caused less head movement that walking so i prefer the cycling desk as the constant eye motion to lock onto your screen is strain inducing

@petermarin 3 ай бұрын

Ah this comment is about to ruin this dude’s whole zen 😂 he’ll now realise there’s a factor he didn’t account for in his treadmill setup

@locker47 3 ай бұрын

@@petermarin Watch as Ben addresses this by buying a $3,500 Apple Vision Pro, pointing his Dyson fan at him on high setting, and increase the treadmill speed. He's gonna run a full marathon while debugging a single javascript Uncaught Type error.

@soundninja99 3 ай бұрын

@@locker47 Dude's gonna end up setting a world record. Just need to give him a frustrating enough bug. Kipchoge would have nothing on him

@mugensekai 3 ай бұрын

@@locker47 It's 1am EST here, but if I had coffee in my mouth... I'd have spat it out-this was good!

@eky 3 ай бұрын

Just one objection From my understanding, the benefits in creativity, problem solving, engagement and flow while walking happen because you see scenery changing and evolving around you and you are continuously remapping your 3d environment while walking, not because of the mechanical motion of walking So that wouldn't translate to a treadmill aside from pure placebo bias

@MrMysteryname 3 ай бұрын

I’ll agree. Although, potentially closing your eyes and walking might still help.

@ryanreviews8566 3 ай бұрын

MORE PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW THIS. It's BOTH walking and the constant mapping of unique surroundings with fresh air.

@rickshay4656 3 ай бұрын

You are so over the top and I love it. Cool solution!

@appuser 3 ай бұрын

He's not over the top, he's on the top ✨

@tctech5238 3 ай бұрын

I love this series on physical health whilst working. It’s so important for anyone pursuing a career in software development - given we’ll have 40 years working at a desk I think the earlier you invest in a setup like this the better

@ent2263 3 ай бұрын

Impressed by all the thought that went into this setup even if I'd struggle with having to reconfigure my environment all the time personally. After quite a few experiments I've settled with a thick slab of wood permanently fixed in a standing position and a stool modification of a good office chair I can hop on when I'm tired. It's just there and I don't have to think about it. I do quite a bit of walking around the room as I'm thinking. Thankfully, it has lots of windows so my eyes get a workout as well.

@joejoeejoeee 3 ай бұрын

Using a treadmill desk has had the biggest impact to my health out of anything I do, and I'm already an active person. FYI the walking pads you mention at the end are IMHO pieces of junk, it's really easy to burn the motor out on them. Probably not an issue if someone wants to use it for 30m here and there, but they all have a recommended usage of like 45m-1hour so that they don't overheat -- not ideal if you want to walk for a couple hours on end. For someone serious about this I would recommend buying a more legit treadmill that can withstand prolonged usage. I'm actually going to tryout a "manual" treadmill because I'm tired of thinking about motors and maintenance 🙂, the SB Fitness CT250 is the model I'm looking at -- a few folks on Reddit have tried it out for this purpose successfully. The Signature Fitness SF-S2 is also a screaming deal if you can handle a bulkier treadmill in your space.

@BenVallack 3 ай бұрын

Great info on the walking pads - cheers.

@mugensekai 3 ай бұрын

Yep I did notice my walking pad I just got last month does get a little warm on the walking surface after about an hour. Personally, 30m to an hour a few times a day while I work is enough for me since I transition between sitting, walking, and standing. Wish they made more robust treadmill / walking pads that are foldable.

@RazoBeckett. 3 ай бұрын

00:06 WARNING: The character shown in this video touched grass! so if you are not comfortable with it consider just listening audio of the video.

@didgineil 3 ай бұрын

Been designing this very thing after an early video of yours, wanted one for a while after seen yours and others started getting the items, not got it all connected, but it’s so nice to have it there and take calls and others meetings I would typically be sitting, I find doing this keeps me 100% focused on the call, haven’t got the distraction fighting with any desk items, keyboard and start typing, multitasking. Then I can return to my design work on my sit stand desk, really feel like trying out a drawing desk with a trend board, wonder what that would turn out like. Thanks Ben, love this videos and sharing your thought process

@purplelord8531 3 ай бұрын

I love your citations! easy to access and makes the whole thing a lot less wishy washy than your typical video and more informative

@mark5071 3 ай бұрын

I am definitely going to give this a shot when I set up a new office space. I am currently using an electronic standing desk, so I can easily switch between sitting and standing, but I really hate standing for long periods of time. I can happily walk for hours though, so something like this might be perfect.

@janmagtoast 3 ай бұрын

This "uncomfy wobbly chair" is very similar to my main driver for the past 4-5 years. People talk about "give your back the support it needs" but I think the opposite way. If you gove your back support it wont build the strength itself. I never experienced any back pain thus far, so it seems to be working. Just wanted to point out that the type of chair that's uncomfortable for you seems to be the most natural and comfortable for me now.

@BenVallack 3 ай бұрын

Yeah same with shoes - have you tried barefoot shoes?

@janmagtoast 3 ай бұрын

@@BenVallack My father had some for the past like 10-15 years now. I only this year tried them. And after like 5-6 months I can say that I couldn't go back to normal shoes. I tried wearing some old running shoes the other day but it just feels wrong having such a high plateau or even a slanted surface on your feet. And yeah it's the same thing. My ankles are much stronger and much more flexible now.

@itsbazyli 3 ай бұрын

You should try a kneeling chair. They're more comfortable, but also no back support so you can sit up more straight and let your back do some work. Fewer pressure points too.

@janmagtoast 3 ай бұрын

@@itsbazyli I've actually tried one before but it wasn't really for me. Thanks for pointing it out though! I appreciate it.

@lpanebr Ай бұрын

I've been thinking about buying a treadmill and trying a standing desk but ain't sure yet. I wanted to try a home hacked version before I buy anything. Your video may be the answer for both. 😂😂 Congrats on correctly and clearly showing the research sources. I went directly to the description thinking I could suggest you add the actual links but they were all already there. 🎉❤👏👏🏃🧠

@BenVallack Ай бұрын

He thanks! Yeah a second hand one is a good way to test the water - if you can collect them you can get some real bargains.

@m0rpeth500 3 ай бұрын

Watching this while walking on a Walking Pad A1. So long as you can store it very close by the desk so that setting it up takes next to no time, it's pretty neat. Can recommend.

@TreeLuvBurdpu 3 ай бұрын

Shelves and architects stools are the best standing desk arrangement. You don't have to switch modes. You just roll the architects chair back a bit.

@dowhilegeek 3 ай бұрын

Aaron Sorkin knew about the magic of walking the entire time, and just tried to show us with all of his "walk and talk" scenes.

@a13ph0 3 ай бұрын

Thanks, exactly the video I've wanted to see from you, my only pity it's so short!

@danielcarroll8889 3 ай бұрын

I'm watching this video while walking on my treadmill desk. Meta video experience

@freyappari 3 ай бұрын

I'd really love to build my setup like this, thanks for the uplaod!

@Frosty-is2og Ай бұрын

I can't believe that there's a more important conversation in working with computers than this

@mmmeeelllmmmeeelll 3 ай бұрын

Great video! Your viewers would love for you to one day talk about Talon Voice and Cursorless. A very interesting approach to coding just by using your voice.

@jamdiversified9698 3 ай бұрын

If you had an ASETNIOP type keyboard you could make each side into a grip as you don’t need to press different buttons for each finger. Then u might be able to walk more vigorously without loosing your finger placement on a fixed keyboard.

@LordHonkInc 3 ай бұрын

4:13 I guess somebody else wants to go on a walk, too :3 But yeah, I'd love to get a setup like this going. I've been using a stepper because my workspace is pretty limited, and to be honest it's not that great typing with the constant up-and-down. I wonder how hard it would be to rewire the display and get rid of the railings of a standard treadmill to be more usable with a standing desk 🤔Once I find a cheap one I might give that a try, because this does look like something I'd get good use out of.

@appuser 3 ай бұрын

I find it funny that a few years ago people were microdosing LSD to aid in creativity/mood, while walking has always been a better option providing much more proven benefits.

@halfwit2 3 ай бұрын

The wobbly chair being intentionally a bit terrible was why I use one too, aside from it being a great fidgeting device. Now i want a treadmill, sigh.

@ThatManFromGermany 3 ай бұрын

This is awesome! Thank you for that inspiration! I just wonder how precise your mouse movements can be when walking. When coding this is close to perfect, I'm just not so sure about using the mouse (or a trackpad) when being in motion.

@dennisbingham2590 3 ай бұрын

I love the ZSA Voyager, I also have the Moonlander and use both, but prefer the voyager because it easier to travel with.

@trashviewer3521 3 ай бұрын

I think the most important consideration about working while walking is a speed & precision of your interaction. Can you share you comparison of results on typing speed & mouse pointer precision test while walking vs standing \ sitting? I heard about some research where people tried to work while walking and they performance was disastrously bad. Though the most likely reason was them not knowing how to touch type & using standart mouse (full pronation low dpi). There wasn't description or control on this in research.

@BenVallack 3 ай бұрын

I will see if I can do a reasonable comparison video! Good call. I'm not sure it would make much difference really - at slow speeds at least.

@BenVallack 3 ай бұрын

Actually I do think using a trackpad probably helps here as I use one finger as an anchor/reference.

@gadget2622 3 ай бұрын

Love the setup. Just got my own 55 4k TV to replace some aging monitors and an underdesk treadmill to go with my sit stand desk. Thinking about mounting solutions for the monitor now and was interested in your input. How annoying is not having vertical adjustment for your tv when you move between sitting and standing? On the fence about getting one of those TV lifts they use for hiding tvs in cabinets to use for matching the movement of my desk between sitting and standing, but not sure if it's overkill.

@XtruhSpecialK 3 ай бұрын

the only thing I can think of that may improve this set up: - some kind of (preferrably breathable) sneaker or sandal with a cushioning sole as from what I've read on the subject, our feet were not meant to walk on hard surfaces all day - maybe introduction of a SAD light therapy lamp for vitamin d while working (pointed away from the screen to decrease glare). of course intermitted breaks outside can substitute this - possibly when e ink monitors get fast enough, switching to e ink to decrease eye strains

@appuser 3 ай бұрын

I'd be curious what Ben uses above his OLED TV as he seems to have a directional light panel of some kind. Knowing him, this will be a thoughtfully deployed solution to a problem.

@z0nx 3 ай бұрын

This would need to replace the standard gaming setup, no? Or dedicate a separate room to just this. Quite a hurdle, but gonna try this for sure!

@JohnnyLabedzki-zc4bd 3 ай бұрын

You plan on trying out the glove80?

@dewijones92 3 ай бұрын

Great video! I recently purchased an £80 standing desk converter from Facebook Marketplace six months ago, and I'm absolutely loving it! Although I don't use a treadmill, I've found that walking on the spot while working is a great way to stay active. One thing that did deter me from considering a treadmill was the power consumption. I'm also intrigued by your keyboard setup, particularly since I own a Moonlander myself. Despite plenty of practice, I've struggled to achieve a decent typing speed. Would you be willing to create a video showcasing your typing technique from a bird's-eye view, with a simultaneous screen recording to demonstrate what you're typing? I'd love to pick up some tips and improve my own typing skills. Thanks in advance!

@BenVallack 3 ай бұрын

Will do thanks!

@WalrusPug1 3 ай бұрын

The absurdity in our field is insane. We humans evolved to hunt our game by running longer than everything else, but now we should sit still and just think for at least 1/3 of our lives. I love the overengineering Ben puts into this optimization problem. It's the real NP = P problem that matters to human nature.

@xpericfilms 3 ай бұрын

Can you talk about your lighting setup here please? Having heard all the benefits of natural light exposure, I’m surprised you’ve opted to shut so much of it out and use artificial light instead, is there a benefit you see here for working, or is it just to make filming easier?

@BenVallack 3 ай бұрын

Yeah when I'm not filming I have the window blind open more. The black wall behind me does a pretty good job of suppressing reflections on the screen.

@mamfa2634 3 ай бұрын

Hi Ben, intrigued with your keyboard set up there. Do you really not feel any pain at all having your hands and arms just hanging? I understand you said its because you dont have your arms on any pressure. If I use my standing desk I get pain and am currently looking into a wrist clip on so I can support my elbows/wrists when typing. When i sit I am having the same trouble as the keyboard tray isnt long enough to reach out to me so I have it sitting on a piece of wood, but I am still in pain. Your set up would work even if just standing.

@BenVallack 3 ай бұрын

Yeah zero pain or numbness or discomfort of any kind with my keyboard position. I think it's down to the extreme tent in large part.

@joehernandez3231 3 ай бұрын

Great video. What's your usual speed while working, and the interval between sitting breaks?

@BenVallack 3 ай бұрын

Slowest speed almost all of the time. Maybe 30-45 min walking sessions.

@chadhawkins8793 3 ай бұрын

Great video Ben, I’m interested in trying this myself. I’m curious, do you take video calls while walking? I’m assuming the noise of the treadmill gets filtered out?

@BenVallack 3 ай бұрын

I have done - I usually stop it though just in case it's distracting etc. I don't recall anyone saying the noise was an issue.

@exotic-gem 3 ай бұрын

Your setup looks great to me except for one thing : your main screen looks strangely low ? I’m not sure if it’s due to the camera, but it looks like it’s fully under your line of sight, which would make you look down most of the time. That sounds very uncomfortable to me, I’ve always set up my screens to have my line of sight centered. Is there a reason you’ve chosen this particular height ?

@BenVallack 3 ай бұрын

The top of the screen is level with my eyes - it does look lower in the camera angles for some reason. Looking down is much more natural/comfortable than up so I'm very happy with the horizontal and below position. I don't need to move my neck for it as my eyes can see the bottom of the screen easily.

@karanabraham7906 3 ай бұрын

Or just walk away from your desk😂 Very interesting though how you come up with inventive ways of computing. Love your videos

@psi4j 2 ай бұрын

You’re a genius. Just need to do squats and deadlifts for that BDNF now.

@BenVallack 2 ай бұрын

Yeah I've definitely been neglecting the squat/deadlift - had a bout of acute lower back pain (second time in my life) recently and put that down to weaker back muscles than they need to be.

@michaelkosiorowski9344 2 ай бұрын

Hi Ben, I have a question. I bought the macic arm clamps you linked but I can't figure out how to connect it to the keyboard. I also own the voyager. Did you have to buy some additional parts to hook it up? PS. Love what you do. I got a standing desk ages ago but rarely ever used it. Now with the treadmill I find it so much easier to do than just standing! For the last week I spend most of the time in front of the screen moving and it feels fantastic, thank you!

@BenVallack 2 ай бұрын

Thanks! Yeah you need the tripod kit from ZSA. That gives you the threaded mounts to connec to the magic arms. The mounts stick to the Voyager with really strong magnets.

@michaelkosiorowski9344 2 ай бұрын

@@BenVallack In the end I went for 2 magnetic holds from Amazon (called "NEEWER Magnetic Phone Tripod Mount Adapter with 1/4" Holes") to save myself the wait time. So far works great! Thank you!

@realChewky 3 ай бұрын

I'm impressed you made one of these. I've thought of doing the same. Glad I didn't though!

@drumitar 3 ай бұрын

im starting my journey with a kneeling chair today.

@MattyPS 3 ай бұрын

I love your work, thank you. Can you share your Oryx config?

@BenVallack 3 ай бұрын

Thanks! configure.zsa.io/voyager/layouts/XgZ46/latest/0 i don't know why it doesn't seem to come up in the search

@danchowdhury8548 20 күн бұрын

Hey, what footwear do you recommend? I saw from other videos you're into barefoot shoes. I've been using a treadmill for work, but after 3 weeks 10k steps/day of walking barefoot on it i developed plantar fasciitis so had to stop. In your other video you say barefoot isn't optimal for hard services so surprised to see you doing so here. I've just recovered and bought some crocs which would allow me to heel strike rather than go barefoot, but I'm really curious to hear your thoughts. (P.s I have no previous experience with the barefoot shoe movement so it may that it's safe for you since you built the foot strength over the years).

@unrealed 3 ай бұрын

I could see a cycling desk setup if there was some sort of chest brace that you lean against. That could be a really sweet setup, but I could also see some health issues remaining due to still being sitting a lot of the time

@danhyzer8368 3 ай бұрын

Edit: After some googling, it appears to be a Voyager. Awesome! Hi Ben! Is that keyboard a custom build? If not I’d love to know what it is. That looks right up my alley.

@BenVallack 3 ай бұрын

correct! kzbin.info/www/bejne/mpiVhYdnhK-fh9Usi=mOkfgJ3vNT_1IYMu

@PCBWay 3 ай бұрын

This is AWESOME!

@glyph6757 3 ай бұрын

How about a reclining stationary bike?

@myentertainment55 3 ай бұрын

I never get why people buy standing desk, it is bad to sit for many hours in a row, but it is as bad is standing. I personally prefer just put small walking pad near my desk, I have good enough monitor so I can see and I can walk during meetings. We all who work remote has to attend this meetings. I used to work out or wash dishes doing landry cleaning or just doing some other work. But it is bad if you actually need to look at screen. Walking pad is nice alternative. Use it several times per day and you are golden. I don't work remote now and I have to move like 10 k steps a day so I am golden. I almost never sit for more than few hours in a row (I mean walking, not just standing to grab a tea).

@sm0000chy 3 ай бұрын

Do you not have any issues with static shocks? What do people that use treadmills while working do against that properly?

@BenVallack 3 ай бұрын

Not noticed anything nope

@MichaelVash7886 3 ай бұрын

Im thinking about this now too. My issue is the screens, my eyesight is poor so its teicky to figure out what will let ne see everything i need to see

@FragEightyfive 3 ай бұрын

Is that the ZSA Voyager you're using again? What switches? Do you find stiffer switches are better for the walking setup?

@ruxcooking 3 ай бұрын

I like your style

@LoyTakian 3 ай бұрын

How does it feel looking at the static monitor/tv screen while having your view "shaking" because of the walking? doesn't that make you feel dizzy or hard to read/concentrate?

@BenVallack 3 ай бұрын

Hardly notice it actually. I think it's one of those things we're really good at dealing with.

@DoBetter-eo2pn 3 ай бұрын

You might consider using a trackball for better accuracy

@BenVallack 3 ай бұрын

Yeah I have done before - the magic trackpad is pretty nice though.

@davemulford 3 ай бұрын

How fast are you walking in those clips? Just wondering as I have a desk treadmill and average 2mph when on calls, but much lower when I'm typing.

@BenVallack 3 ай бұрын

Yeah mostly very slow - whatever the minimum is - sometimes I knock it up a few notches.

@Wimachtendink 3 ай бұрын

I feel like you must have been asked this before, but do you have thoughts on VR Headsets like the Bigscreen Beyond? Also, do you have some sort of community think like a message board or Discord where people interested in your stuff meet and discuss?

@BenVallack 3 ай бұрын

Yeah very interested in trying some VR options. Also I have considered Discord - might sort it soon!

@olitonottero7620 3 ай бұрын

Super helpful thank you

@Cynosureepr 3 ай бұрын

How are you getting such good audio outside without a lav or something in the shot?!

@BenVallack 3 ай бұрын

I have a lav taped to my chest under my shirt :) really pleased with the results!

@Cynosureepr 3 ай бұрын

@@BenVallack - Yea, that quality is amazing - did you do anything to stop it from scratching against the shirt?!

@BenVallack 3 ай бұрын

⁠Yep - I use Ursa fluffy stickies - so one tape circle between my skin and the mic then the fluffy circle stuck over the mic on the outside. It does still make a bit of noise but Final Cut Pro audio processing helps as well. I use a parametric EQ on it to tune the sound a bit too.

@_dvt 3 ай бұрын

what's your current keyboard layout?

@BenVallack 3 ай бұрын

Recently changed to Graphite. Feels amazing.

@Empty_Vima 3 ай бұрын

I found your search for the optimal portable keyboard very interesting. Having a writing tool always at hand is a great concept. However, instead of a treadmill desk, I suggest a more dynamic approach. In the military, they train soldiers to stand at attention for hours - a static activity with little physical engagement. Similarly, just walking on a treadmill may not provide the necessary bodily stimulation. I'm particularly intrigued by the prospect of developing a universal input method that could be used across various devices and situations. The idea of having one seamless, portable interface sounds incredibly useful. Cycling is an outstanding alternative to stationary exercises that fail to elevate your heart rate or challenge your muscles. Unlike simply standing in one spot, cycling engages your legs, core, and cardiovascular system in a dynamic, low-impact workout. By pedaling through space, you work key muscle groups while also building endurance and improving circulation. Cycling allows you to cover ground and elevate your fitness in ways that static exercises simply cannot match. Adopt cycling as part of your workout regimen for superior results in cardio, strength, and overall well-being.

@susscrofamustermann9688 3 ай бұрын

I thought about cycling, too. Ben mentioned not having handlebars to rest on is not comfortable, but only if you use a regular stationary bike. Using a recumbent bike though might do the trick. That said, it is technically sitting, so it might not have the effects on posture musculature Ben is looking for. Also, I don't think his idea was to actually get his heart rate up and have a workout, but rather have very low impact activity instead of being completely sedentary. As for muscle, lift weights. None of this replaces an actual strength routine.

@0thLaw 3 ай бұрын

Great video like always. Here, algorithm, have a comment.

@BenVallack 3 ай бұрын

Thanks!

@deatheater1900 3 ай бұрын

What are the kinds of walking speed do you need it to be able to do

@BenVallack 3 ай бұрын

The slowest mode on mine is what I use the most so doesn't need to be fast at all IMO - gets harder to type if you walk too fast

@thomasmuller8266 3 ай бұрын

Talking from a field like "don't worry, i am touching some grass".

@BenVallack 3 ай бұрын

haha! Better than sitting on your bum eh!

@kadercarter 3 ай бұрын

How are the arms actually mounted to the keyboard? Is there a mount you can get to stick to the back or do you just have them directly threaded on?

@BenVallack 3 ай бұрын

Magnetic - via the ZSA tripod kit.

@orlandojam8 3 ай бұрын

taking regular breaks is better 🎉

@egoworks5611 3 ай бұрын

Hahaha brother you are crazy in a good way.

@AmsNl2BcnEs 3 ай бұрын

What was the keyboard layout change mentioned? 😊

@BenVallack 3 ай бұрын

Graphite - absolutely amazing layout!

@AmsNl2BcnEs 3 ай бұрын

@@BenVallack will look up, thank you, I don’t think I’ve heard you speak on this? Hope you do explain further inc your take on the pros and cons.

@BenVallack 3 ай бұрын

@@AmsNl2BcnEsYeah will do a vid once I get a bit faster!

@AmsNl2BcnEs 2 ай бұрын

@@BenVallack 😆

@JJW410 3 ай бұрын

I'm quite happy to just get up after 30 minutes. Although this is entertainingly niche.

@NewtonHamming 3 ай бұрын

How many days have you actually used this setup ?

@BenVallack 3 ай бұрын

It has been in my office for 2 years. Like I said it does have a lot of time where it isn't in use and it's just essentially a standing desk. So it's definitely not in use all of the time. It's a nice way of breaking things up and adding some activity when I'm dicillined enough to do it. I probably get a good few hours on it each day though. It is pretty hard though - not to be underestimated!

@aqwek 3 ай бұрын

You should try out stenography, I feel like it would go well with your channel.

@memoriasIT 3 ай бұрын

I am so early today ! 😊

@w3debugger Ай бұрын

noise cancellation headphones has side effects too...

@KeithCooks 3 ай бұрын

Is there a reason why your monitor is so slow? We can see in the video that you're almost always looking down. Seems like you could raise it up a foot and be more comfortable.

@BenVallack 3 ай бұрын

Top of it is level with my eyes - definitely wouldn't want to look above level.

@KeithCooks 3 ай бұрын

@@BenVallack yeah that's where it appears to be, but wouldn't you want your gaze to fall on the center of the screen instead? That way you're looking equal amounts up and down. That's the advice for TV heights, but I was wondering if maybe there's something to programming where you're operating more on the bottom half of the screen.

@BenVallack 3 ай бұрын

@@KeithCooks Yeah I don't think that's good for eye strain at all. The eye is more comfortable looking down than up. Specifically the resting point of vergence moves further away the more you look up.

@KeithCooks 3 ай бұрын

@@BenVallack Ah ok that makes sense. I was coming at it more from the angle of neck strain, where I'd argue higher would be better (especially since most people have forward head posture), but if that's not an issue then your setup makes more sense. Anyway thanks for the video, it was very insightful!

@krige 3 ай бұрын

0:19 what shoes are those?

@BenVallack 3 ай бұрын

Lono lonowear.com/ - freebies but quite happy with them!

@nathanfranck5822 3 ай бұрын

I just just a normal walk everyday, I like leaving my tech and enjoying nature

@BenVallack 3 ай бұрын

Yeah same but I can't seem to manage for than about 15 mins with the dog as a daily routine!

@nathanfranck5822 3 ай бұрын

@@BenVallack Man I definitely loved walks more before I was married into our dog collection, now it's a chore. I just ditch the dogs at home if I want a peaceful walk.