My UPDATED Honest Review - Is Throne Worth Playing?

[@KanonXO]

BIG Roadmap update today: more pvp game modes (solo friendly), pve updates, progression, and more: pastebin.com/AjnV8Ck4 | follow me @ twitch.tv/kanonxo

[@Straeger]

Hey will you be running a hardcore pvp guild for Global?

[@ayrtonfracaro1718]

Will Talandre be coming with global on release or will we have to wait?

[@IsvRada]

Probably on December

[@jeffd9658]

Definitely helped me alot, gonna play it now and if they don't fuck it I might toss em some coin. NCsoft has alot to make up for.

[@BOOSTEDLASER]

AMERICAN VERSION IS 100% DIFFERENT

[@KruxSmash]

I just want a fun new MMO that doesn't die after a month. Is that too much to ask for?

[@christophercurtis9392]

Oof

[@Ares_XO]

all depends on the p2w, atm you can spend money to buy lucent and get the best gear that free to play players will get in months

[@iamrikz]

you need grind to maximize your p2w gear yet lmao​@@Ares_XO

[@resone3645]

@@Ares_XOtrue..but the take away in your own words are “f2p will get it in months”. Whales will whale..but the big problem is when f2p will NEVER get to the gear. I,e BDO pen gear was literally impossible for f2p..wasn’t untill devs started giving out free yet gear 6 years into BDO to keep the f2pers around.

[@VinJow]

This game is the same as BDO if you pay you are going to have fun destroying people, if you are f2p just good luck later in game.

[@mickytalone4366]

Daily quests stacking is very nice to hear. The daily quest fomo is a big part of why I quit lost ark.

[@ImDevs]

right? it felt like you HAD to get on every day or youd fall behind, sometimes you wanna play a different game, watch a show or some anime, or get on the game and just chill. with Throne and liberty you can let the points stack up and spend them all later.

[@hoseaesp6309]

I stopped playing Lost Ark because of the p2w mechanics. I really loved the gameplay and class mechanics though, I hope one day something similar will come out but without the crazy p2w and upgrading gear system.

[@siema14123]

@@hoseaesp6309 Lost Ark would be the perfect game (at least for me) if not for the bots and whales that caused massive inflation and the need to have 5 alts besides your main character to even keep up. I loved everything about the game, but having to do the same thing on 6 characters every day just to be able to afford the bare minimum because of inflation is really demotivationg

[@2ezRicky]

I was on the fence about playing this game, since lastly playing the beta last time for the western audience. But from all the info you provided I'm down to playing this now, one of the main reason it there's more PVE content now.

[@curlblue7529]

LITERALLY. that made me so happy to hear.

[@chaosoflight3792]

wish they kept owpvp as it was or make it like in Lineage 2, sadly they focuse on pve mostly. hope they dont ruin it more with pve and life skill or it will become NW 2.0 or BDO/BnS crap

[@curlblue7529]

@@chaosoflight3792 if they dont cater to the more casual player, their game won't last. not everyone wants to constantly play pvp.

[@xythiera7255]

Play it for a month then move one

[@chaosoflight3792]

@@xythiera7255 where all other mmos are crap.. literally

[@chaeboosim]

I was one of the first users to experience Siege on the Korean server. Currently, the game is very undervalued by Korean players. However, after the failure of Lineage, NC has rebuilt itself as a user-friendly company, and TL is the first of its kind. I think TL's first siege was more inspiring than WoW's first 25-man raid, and I met a lot of foreigners on the Korean server as well. As a long-time MMORPG player myself, I can tell you that this is a good game with very little grind, and it's literally a good game. The character combat was uncomfortable, but skill specialization made everything better. Even the leveling process was long and tedious, but my experience on the boosting server made it so easy and fast that every quest seemed like an epic quest. It's a lot of fun to siege with golems, to steal resources from both factions sieging with steel even if you're not in a specific guild, and to use skills that take advantage of the day, night, and weather. I hope TL will be a good experience for foreign players as well.

[@Hagh12375]

Is it? I'm new to mmos on console, but it sounds to me that you have to grind a lot to get good end game build. On top it sounded to me that there are so many tasks to do daily, weekly. In addition I heard that it's a must have to be in a guild, which is fine, but they do also have events you have to participate in. So in all in, one thing that keeps me a bit away from the game is that I have the Impression that it is recommended to play this game almost daily for at least 2 hours. Once or twice a week for 4-5 hours is not enough...?

[@H2_H2a]

ㅋㅋㅋㅋ헐 진짜 채부심채널 😮 TL 유저셨군요

[@yaitari]

@@Hagh12375 I think he means the games has a lot of Daily and weekly grind, but is tamed, since most of the dailies have a overcap, for example contracts can be stacked, dungeons are time gated and hour events are there as an extra. So pretty much ''play at Your own pace''

[@IsvRada]

Appreciated the info from a player who already spend time playing in KR. I'm part of a casual guild who is gonna start playing on f2p launch, you think we will be fine? we are like 40-50 members but without a big zergling alliance. We have an small guild as ally but we want to enjoy all content (pvp too) as a guild without that tryhard competitive mentality.

[@Kirkland_Drip]

Planted comment

[@vbaldokaizen8748]

I don't care about max level gear, I care about having fun every day I log in

[@gamer2101]

Exactly

[@Keifer--]

right? the moment someone swipes for the strongest of gear, what else do they have to grind for? absolutely nothing. only thing to swipe for is gonna be cosmetics lol

[@MultiLingualGaming]

I mean I do care, but I’ll take my time getting there and enjoy the ride!

[@Oryyyt]

​@@MultiLingualGamingExactly! natural progression and sense of discovery 1st foremost. Meta stuff comes when I'm done. Though I wanna say rushing to endgame is dumb but we can't do jack if these modern mmos are designed with crappy quests you just skip. It's sad. All that's left is exploration.

[@Shinobia543]

Well, until you are burned out, finally reached your goal and a new update hits and your progress is useless again

[@Smokedogg48]

I am really hyped for this game and enjoy your informational videos on it!

[@KanonXO]

aww thank you so much for this

[@KnightsTempura]

I'm going to save you guys the TL;DP (Too long, didn’t play) 🤣🤣 I played on the KR servers, reached Epic 2 set T2 content/dungeons, and maxed my gear at the time. At endgame: - Endgame will solely depend on the alliance that takes over the server. Both PvP and PvE content are heavily tied to this. - It gets stale, and you’ll notice how lacking the devs are in terms of competence. It’s as if they don’t know where the game is heading. - Yes, it’s open-world, but you’ll mostly use teleporters, and it feels more linear than “open” due to all the content being separated into zones with invisible walls disguised as big rocks or mountains. - You’ll notice how small and disconnected parts of the map are (which breaks the "open-world" immersion, in my opinion). - Gear is heavily pay-to-win . - The game is very meta-centric, both in PvP and PvE, with lots of gatekeeping. - Everyone equips SNS during Node Wars. - Good luck having fun as a solo player! 🤣 - The reason it died in KR is that the devs don’t know how to balance the advantage of big alliances, and it ruins the entire game’s content. TL;DR I give this 3 months tops in the West.

[@Cameron_David_]

There is the initial euphoria at release. A big pvp event happens where it is established who the dominant alliance is, everyone goes back to their previous MMO.

[@hail9814]

underrated comment. Thanks for the heads up.

[@JimjimG]

3 month, just before WW3

[@RedEyedDRAG00N]

This aint KR. This is global, and if you think we will fold against the bigger alliances, you are out of touch. Theres ppl with more time, money and resources than any alliance.

[@Dyssayah]

@@RedEyedDRAG00N Found your comment in the "Cope" entry in the dictionary, today I learned

[@patrikbrtan383]

4k dollars to get maxed out gear? What are these rookie numbers, Diablo Immortal requires milions 🤣

[@OlZoe]

No Problem, New Equipment can be Updated

[@patrikbrtan383]

@@OlZoe genius

[@OlZoe]

@@patrikbrtan383 😂

[@TheBl4ckSh33p]

I preordered New World instead. 😁

[@patrikbrtan383]

@@TheBl4ckSh33p with that game you atleast know the endgame will be shit 😅

[@Oni1975]

Nice rundown of the game prior to the Global release. Wasn't really considering it before, but might take a look at it now. Thanks for the video!

[@Czulki]

As an old-school Ragnarok Online enjoyer, T&L really clicked with me. Everything you do in this game matter because it leads to the ultimate goal: large scale gvg. There is just something about guilds duking it out and the server drama/politics that comes with it thats special and unique to MMORPGs. No other genre has this kind of memorable PVP and I am glad the devs were not afraid to design a game around it in a see of mediocre WoW clones.

[@BarnzTT]

I am a pve player loking for dungeons and raids......

[@ogcipher4967]

@@BarnzTT Yeah same, I always find it really funny when a game goes "we're gonna be that hardcore PvP mmorpg fk yeah" and then they realise they're are appealing to a fraction of a minority of gamers so they go "wellp I suppose PvE is needed ooops"

[@megodgast]

What’s gvg?

[@BarnzTT]

@@megodgast Guild vs Guild.

[@bugskees146]

@@BarnzTTwell there are a million titles that offer that for the care bear crowd

[@buffyocalypse]

As a huge Lineage 2 fan in my teenage years, I’m really rooting for this to succeed!

[@SammaelGwyn]

What I don’t understand is why you would pay to not play the game. Isn’t the entire point of the game to 1. get through the main story and 2. to grind your character to the max. If you pay $4000 to max out your character where is the motivation to actually play the game!? Having said that it is important for a game to be financially successful so I do plan on spending something on it if it is any good.

[@majesticfool]

the main thing mmo is about is having better stuff than other players.

[@hail9814]

In these p2w games you will sometimes see whales skipping content because they don't care about the pretty lights and colors. They care about getting to the top as quickly as possible. Typically these whales are fewer in number but will prop up a p2w game entirely themselves. The majority of people who will spend money on the game will play semi-hardcore and will reach a wall in the game that will become either insurmountable with the amount of time they have available to play or keep them from participating in the activities they enjoy. (fomo) The only people 'skipping' content are the egomaniac whales who will constantly swipe. the rest of the population will tend to swipe after the game has them hooked. P2W is a devious monetization model that preys on our human psychology. It's VERY hard for me to even consider playing these KR MMO's anymore, especially because they die so fast in the west.

[@GoodGuyDevin]

i will spend alot of money on cosmetic items, and no im not ashamed

[@baska-]

Every game is worth playing if you enjoy it. No P2W game is worth spending money on (unless you enjoy a competition of who swipes harder).

[@ImDevs]

but you can compete with the p2w players just by playing? you dont need to compete with your wallet. he literally said it in the video.

[@baska-]

@@ImDevs did you even read my comment? Read again, lil bro.

[@kingofla2840]

@@ImDevs were you hired by NCsoft or something? You been commenting all over this post.

[@ImDevs]

@@kingofla2840 just excited and I want as many people to play and enjoy the game as I will, plus I don’t mind clearing up confusion or debunking claims. I’m trying to counteract all the negative doom and gloom comments like “p2w trash game dead in 2 months” those are just flat out wrong.

[@Boozsted]

​@ImDevs well it is doing terrible in KR and if you don't spend, you're gonna farm bot 24/7 vs having fun. Just how it is. My entire capped guild quit. No way to back that other than it's a p2w f2p boring game man. Sorry.

[@daedatlast1561]

Underrated account. Highest quality and content vs all competition. Must sub!

[@theghoulshow]

he works very hard

[@indecisions99]

Thanks for the updated review, I'd have loved some words about how the performances are and what type of config do we need to play the game in good conditions.

[@ImDevs]

the reason why he didnt touch on it is because it runs so good you dont need much at all. its optimized surprisingly well for how far the render distance is and how well it handles hundreds of players on your screen.

[@Schismatise]

I have a Ryzen 3700X and a 2060 Super and it runs great even on High graphics. There are some videos of it on my channel if you want to verify. I was genuinely impressed.

[@YonexCC]

Focusing on the PvP part of this game, because that is the true focus, it's likely end up in a zerg fest. As a long time NA Aion player (about 7 years) and a BDO player (about 7 years as well) and being a part of the hardcore PvP scene and been in top tier guilds, this will eventually follow suite. I will say that the one thing that stands out from this compared to BDO and Aion is that the "time to kill" seems a bit slower and there isn't like overpowered people that 1 or 2 shot you. You're able to pull off a combo, get in and get out which I think is really good in a large scale PvP game. But at the end, a zerg fest is a zerg fest. And we know, the biggest zerg wins. There are some guilds out there, 1 in particular that already has a population for about 6 or 7 guilds to call their own and just ready to dominate the PvP scene. MANY of them are former BDO players from top tier guilds. The PvP scene is in for a treat man. Can't say this will be a positive thing, but having been on Aion and BDO for so long in the hardcore PvP scene, TnL is looking like it'll end up in the same spot at the end of the day, may the best zerg win.

[@cosmin5078]

You may not have a 1 shot ability, but you can definitely kill in 2 shots. For example, an enhanced flash arrow cast from inviz does 9k crit with a basic purple tier 1 weapon even if you go full precision to have a reasonable hit rate. There are bomb squads in this game that are explicitly aiming to disrupt Zergs like this in any GvG. It will be a fun experience, and I can't wait for it to launch, but the time to kill is definitely not slow... it is extremely fast in GvGs. It may be slower in small pvp scales and even then, it depends.

[@RAWsassin]

after skill specialization update TTK became way shorter, ppl die from 1-2 hits just like in BDO after 1 cc

[@sportschool3537]

@@RAWsassin Yeah but devs said they're planning to substantially increase the TTK their next additions to the combat, so that will probably change while BDO is supposed to be like that somehow

[@RAWsassin]

@@sportschool3537 would be great. I think deleting heavy attack chance from the game would help a lot tbh. Heavy attack chance + crit on a high dmg skill is too much

[@sportschool3537]

@@RAWsassin True, but since the heavy crit weapons are not as OP as Greatsword for example, I think that balancing should be done more onto the numbers than the stats themselves... One thing this game should do and doesn't is have separate damage values for PvP like other MMOs do for each skill... but anyway, they do need to up the TTK... we'll see how it goes... for now, stacking evasion is the counter to all this...

[@PvE_Zone]

Good review brother, just to add one more thing for people. You can't buy runes, so that part of your power level should be done by grinding. 👍🏻

[@royceb4814]

Don’t think people realize how open the mmo market is on consoles how many mmos that dropped on consoles in the last 5 years have died?

[@ImDevs]

thats because the console mmos are locked for only console players, this game has console and PC all playing together, so it wont die like other console mmos have

[@royceb4814]

@@ImDevs I agree it won’t die console players only have 4-5 mmo’s to choose from the market is fresh and we’re in dire need lol

[@mr.o2291]

@@royceb4814facts. There’s no mmorpg on console out that’s up to date like TOL. I just want good graphics and PvE raids. I don’t care about p2w, every game has to make money.

[@daltonf8199]

These people are so delusional. I'm actually laughing reading the comments. They are praising NCsoft for "fixing" this absolute dog shit mmo.. It's blatantly pay to win which everyone admits but "oh theres counters to every build, don't worry!". Okay so I lose to my counter and I lose to anyone who isn't a counter that is whaling?? LOL Thats not even to mention the daily limits on content you can do, oh wow they made it so days can roll over! They are actually excited that they dont have to log into the game every day... LOL Imagine being excited that you DONT have to play a video game every day... The MMORPG genre has been absolutely ruined by board members, share holders and these players. I guess they don't realize that these corporations have turned them into little pay pigs, they continue to take the bait. 😂

[@bobbyross7700]

​@@daltonf8199what does this have to do with his comment?

[@sevxone]

Is this an other game where you have to run 12 alts to keep up as f2p? That's a very important question that will decide if I'll play it or not.

[@Arnyh0ld]

It is heavily pay to win with a focus on PVP. Guess. :D

[@ceerius3910]

No you just can't catch up to people after a certain point

[@BroBdoubleE]

There's ways to earn the currency from personal sales. You won't have the right away advantage but those advantages are like a very low benefit... its not hard p2w more like pay for convenience... you shouldn't need multiple alts, but probably will fall behind those that do have multiple alts and mules... like every mmo ever... but that's depending on your personal free time. Speaking of I'd advise to download it and try it... it's free so there's no up front cost as opposed to something like ESO or WoW. But rather then seeking the awnser from someone else, try it out, give it a shot... get to the end game content and make your choice then. End game is where an mmo lives or dies.

[@MajWin]

just play these free games till it is no longer fun for you.. xD its so simple really

[@Keyosu]

Hope Throne works out well for ya, can tell how passionate you are about it succeeding

[@HernanblaTV]

Incredible game! Waiting for the global launch! 🎉

[@hroxyz1]

Solid video mate! I will be linking it to anyone that ask what's TL about. And the roadmap announced for the following months is insane, rarely seen so much content announced within a short period of time for a MMORPG. Whatever people say about NCSoft, we have to give them that they are working hard on TnL. The changes that happened within 9 months from the launch are insane!

[@familiacioroaba1472]

Had a blast for months on KR server . Now waiting for global on PS5 love playing on bigger screen 😊 for me best mmorpg on years

[@Cycor]

Great video man! I'd seen very different stuff from all the different betas and what not, so i was glad to see this and even more excited to see it basically hit EVERY point I wanted to know about including giving me a good run down on the core loops / end game. Overall just loved how it flowed, happy to sub and support the journey to 100k.

[@mikeyancy2592]

Seeing the content you have about game definitely helps me decide that this game is worth playing.

[@Rex_Smashington]

Super hyped. Loved the Korean version and haven't played since like February or March. Really pumped to try the new skill specialization.

[@hby7768]

im so into this game after the beta, went straight into Korean Boosted servers. Can wait till next week.

[@Xcceler]

How do u play Korean servers?

[@arturziomas]

@@Xcceler VPN

[@Xcceler]

@@arturziomas ahh

[@youkokurama420]

I don't often comment or like vids. However, i like how the break down of this one. Great vid.

[@HālReignhold]

I have been following this MMO since it came out in korea. I'm patiently waiting for the global release. So excited to join this new adventure

[@tokestarlive8394]

ill keep it a stack Kanon is who you need to come to for any throne content its that simple. From the discord to twitch to youtube he has the most upto date information given out that anyone can understand. Follow his shit if you are playing this game, he will always have you covered that simple

[@RydenEden]

I love kanon but dont sleep on the WHELPS... he is one of the top PvP players in The Lineage 3... I mean throne and liberty.... Long time NC SOFT fans will get the pun

[@monkmonkdabes]

Good breakdown, game is shaping up to be quite good and I hope they bring some of these design decisions over to Lineage.

[@KanonXO]

thank you!!

[@friendlyskiespodcast]

great review, as a PC gamer that has played most mmo's from back to UO through WoW, GW2 and New World for example...I liked what I saw in Throne & Liberty...I will definitely check it out on the 1st.

[@MrWitz90]

Honestly, what ticks me off more than P2W is the guild crap. Can't get the best stuff unless you're in the best guilds, and you can't join the best guilds unless you're a whale. So the whales just get stronger, and the rest of us are left behind. What load of crap.

[@Cameron_David_]

Its MMO pump and dump, something the Koreans are very good at.

[@przemysawbrzeczyszczykiewi1211]

I thought this as well when he was talking and quickly said it's more like "guild to win" then pay to win And I was like... Hmm.. so my adult ass that won't spend money, play 1 hour a day tops is likely not going to get into any guild worthwhile and will be a very weak little boi. Great! Hope the content and combat is fun 🤣

[@AlecRygnestad]

@@przemysawbrzeczyszczykiewi1211 And if you play with a controller those guilds will not let you in either 🤣 All of these streamerrs are in the No-Controller guilds haha. Console players will be free-fodder as they cant play as optimal as pc can. Game would be better if it was Xbox/PS5 on the same and PC on its own.

[@Navue-cn2tx]

Mobile game things

[@dapukisgoingon]

@@przemysawbrzeczyszczykiewi1211i mean, you can’t expect to be good in any game if you play one hour a day tops bro

[@casediedwell5094]

1:00 Especially if you've only played in the beta test. 2 days after OBT ended they pretty much released TnL 2.0 on KR and we getting ALL the QoL from then and chunks of the Content as well!

[@Ruhtr-o-active]

Your descriptions for everything was perfect. I really appreciate this video.

[@hemawemaful]

i really hope your voice reach out many of the players whom have shunned out the game since its KR release, this game will thrive and be better with a larger player base that always supports it.

[@iconx4213]

lmao

[@ledgeview941]

So any mmo then?

[@hemawemaful]

@@ledgeview941 yea any mmo then, but i am not playing every other mmo i am playing this one..

[@xkingsly]

This game has become such a good mmo i cant wait for launch

[@alfredgreybeard]

You'll always ask "what is this dudes build when coming across a juiced character".... it's a credit card homie, that's how you juice your character in this garbage

[@markv8]

Mate. Thank you for this video. I was really hyped for this game until I began hearing from other content creators that this was a heavily focused PvP game. I'm PvE-oriented and I honestly will not deal with any kind of pressure from any hardcore guild in general. It's refreshing to hear there's plenty of PvE content and even casual guilds.

[@davidsuzuki5136]

I’m an American permanently living in Korea (교포) and I wanna start playing t&l. Should I wait for global or start playing on the Korean server? I definitely prefer things be in English and joining an English speaking guild. I heard some things aren’t translated on KR.. Will there even be an English community left on KR once global releases? Haha any suggestions would be great! Thanks

[@내로남불호구]

한국서버에서는 아주 우스꽝스러운 게임문화를 체험할수있습니다 , 글로벌 서버를 기다리세요

[@xGamblerFate]

as a american i will play this game i just want to enjoy a new MMO and this looks cool the graphics is what has me hooked if i have to grind to get gear and be powerful so be it

[@Shwinginator1]

Compare this review to the "Throne and Liberty: Success or Failure" video from LazyPeon where all of his information was dishonestly 6-8 months out of date. Always glad to see you continuously being honest about the issues and successes of this game as it has evolved.

[@vesavius]

LazyPeon just phones it in these days. I used to really like his content but it's just so lazy now.

[@paintspot1509]

Yet peons will be better at predicting the future of TL. A massive failure.

[@OMGitsZenius]

@@paintspot1509 concord was a massive failure. This isn't. Look at lost ark player numbers buddy and that game isn't even good

[@Shwinginator1]

​@@paintspot1509 I'm kind of hoping that this is a bot account. This account was spam posting this type of message on the LazyPeon video 2 months ago and found this comment within about 20 minutes of posting it. If it is a human, I hope you find something that brings you joy brother.

[@Shwinginator1]

@@paintspot1509 2 months ago you were spamming this same type of message on LazyPeon's video. 2 months later, you found this comment within 20 minutes of me posting it. If you are a human, I hope you find some source of joy in your life brother

[@SiopeR]

So a good game for someone who wants mostly mass pvp and is willing to spend some $ every month to not be too far from the best players, gives the LA vibes just not a classic PVE MMO.

[@matheuskerr9222]

this man's livelihood directly depends on the success of this game. way too biased to give any honest review.

[@omensoffate]

Yup

[@rabbibunga7492]

I’m convinced this gonna be the first good mmo in a while

[@zeuslorne7005]

Super hyped for this game, I went out an bought a 4090 JUST to play this in 4k. Let's go0o0o0o!!!

[@bakterija3089]

dont want to spoil anything but game wont survive long its garbage

[@cmuney101]

@@bakterija3089how do you figure that? Game is about to release global…bringing in hundreds of thousands of paid players

[@ImDevs]

@@bakterija3089 lmaooo this dude is so wrong, hes just salty this game is going to take players away from whatever mmo hes playing making his game even worse. we all know he will keep dooming about this game but end up playing it and saying he was wrong a couple months down the line

[@zeuslorne7005]

@@bakterija3089 Yer face is garbo and yet here you remain! :D

[@bakterija3089]

@@cmuney101 AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA this made me laught

[@TheKriz007]

Thank you for being our passionate but nontheless reliable source if information when it comes to TL. Loolink firward to play it on my series X! Love from Portugal

[@WarChanGaming]

If this is P2W and you can still kill whales being an F2P/Casual its good to me.

[@FlavioAlmeida]

Great video! I was trying to decide and after watching your video I will definately jump on T&L! Liked and subbed! :D

[@beako6447]

so if you're not in a hardcore p2w guild you pretty much dont get the archboss weapon? that kinda sucks tho.

[@j2theosh6969]

Not true

[@beako6447]

@@j2theosh6969 then tell me how do we get archeboss weapon? buy buying them in the market? aint no way im spending 350$ for it. they should just make it chance drop.

[@ImDevs]

not true at all, you could be in a casual guild with your friends and the archboss weapon drops for your guild. then your guild gets to decide who gets the weapon or if they want to sell it. thats why they never end up on the market. because the guild wants them to make their friends, themselves, or their guild stronger. Whales waiting on a weapon might as well just play the game and have fun themselves because that will likely get them a weapon sooner then waiting to buy one for a ridiculous amount of money.

[@beako6447]

im pretty sure your guild have a higher chance if you did pretty well for dps on boss. so basically the p2w guilds have higher chance because they are more geared and deals more damage to the boss. i guess they deserved it cause they put more money into the game than you. but that still sucks

[@ImDevs]

@@beako6447 I think you’ll be surprised how rewarded you will be for being active instead of spending money. But yes if you’re in a bum ass guild with 35 people and only 6 show up to the world boss your chances won’t be good. Participation is more important than damage dealt tho. So find an active guild

[@kronicul107]

very good overview without randomly bashing other mmos for no reason, relatively objective and informative, good video!

[@raymondhoho]

Subscribed. 100K Here we come!

[@Cjbreezey]

It will cost more than 1-4k to max character in NA because Koreans estimated costs based on Korean for LA and it was wayyyyy off why do people keep under estimating whales in the west lol

[@freshtendrills5969]

As much as I hate wow and FF14 at this point, at least it's not pay to win..... I can't get down with that shit.

[@NoXiiZz]

Yeah just forget that the wow token exist and it’s not p2w

[@freshtendrills5969]

@@NoXiiZz it sucks, but it's not P2W. Yea, you can buy a purp here or there on the AH, but you won't find min max gear. You gotta play the game for that.

[@NoXiiZz]

@@freshtendrills5969 isn’t crafted bis or did that changed since dragonflight with the neck ?

[@freshtendrills5969]

@@NoXiiZz one or two pieces usually. More as a way to throw a bone to crafters. But there aren't entire raid sets on the AH.

[@NoXiiZz]

@@freshtendrills5969 if 1 or 2 bis pieces are crafted and you buy crafted with gold, then it’s p2w

[@TheJchio]

Glad you mention how combat gets better in the late game cuz I was NOT feeling good about it after the tutorial.

[@vbjoker]

This game reminds me of an old Korean mmo “knight online”. You had bosses that spawned in an area “colony zone” and each faction has to fight for the loot and kill each other. And of course there was no perfect build, always had a counter. Ah the good times.

[@ogfullmelt]

Yes

[@itsmorphinetime]

I have watched most of your vids on this game and theyve been both incredibly illuminating, and daunting. Excited to dive into it in a few days!

[@RAWsassin]

Many people dont realize, but being able to buy currency to trade on auction house is way better than being able to swipe for RNG boxes that have boss weapons inside. Players control server's economy and you dont get extra OP weapons spawned from some crates. This is a perfect system.

[@Unchainedful]

True, but you are HIGHLY mistaken if you believe any game developer will allow the player base to control the game’s market or economy. Players have very little input for the pricing and value of such things. Even if you try to maneuver the economy most developers will simply remove your bid and can even remove and ban you from the game in general. If the game developers/publishers want their game items to be worth a minimum of $100 they will do all in their power to make sure those items cost at least $100, if it costs more due to player economy then that’s fine, but if the playerbase attempts to reduce the value watch how the developers patch the game to “fix” the economy and reset it and remove players who tried to affect the economy in that way. When you enter any casino, the house always win, your “luck” of winning is only because the house allowed you to to attract more people with false hope.

[@RAWsassin]

@@Unchainedful that’s the thing - throne and liberty isn’t a casino, there are no rng boxes full of nice loot that makes people gamble. People farm the items and sell them in the store… you are just trying to create something out of air.

[@KnowNoLimit001]

​@@UnchainedfulEve online has joined the chat and has been lurking for 18 years.

[@dewito4457]

Brother, it's like chosing between eating and smelling shit, maybe im not eating it tho i dont like smelling it....

[@zninebiggs4911]

@@KnowNoLimit001was waiting to see this reply 😂

[@Caspeaon]

really happy to hear that PVE is better in the endgame. I hate PVP in MMOs

[@eito9006]

do we have to make alt to get more loot? one thing i stopped playing lost ark was having only 1 character prog too slow lol so a lot of ppl have like so many alt

[@ccxlolz]

If this game isnt exactly like lost ark, then i better wake up cus this is just a dream, amazon games are partners in both games

[@startledhamster]

I never played MMO and I tried this one today. After ~4 hours of playing I can say that it's worth giving it a try. I only dislike how targeting works but I'll get used to it I guess. From what I heard in this video regarding endgame, I'm happy with it, so far sounds good

[@PoesYT]

sure you can get everything as a f2p player but the question is how much time you need to put in to get everything that a whale can get for 2-4k or before you get to current cap as a f2p they will already have the next cap... The biggest thing I see about it is the double currency ... they should just not done it period ... why have that shit ?

[@darkshinigami9608]

I'm sure for f2p you need to invest many time and luck for gear up like a whale, it is what it is in other games too, but no worries, someone will always sell lucent in some site, and you can buy it with cheaper price if you wanna invest less time

[@HorseGoon]

It's really not that bad and very enjoyable either way. I played fully f2p on kr and could max out almost 2 characters including full cosmetics that you can also get by just farming and selling items for lucent. You can get it well before the new cap is introduced, so far at least.

[@PoesYT]

@@HorseGoon I mean I will give the game a fair try for sure like it will find its community for sure ... sadly NCsoft doesnt have a good track record but we will see

[@sportschool3537]

@@darkshinigami9608 Yes but he buys all that shit FROM YOU!!! Not the cash shop... he is paying you... you list your items and you take his lucent... so in reality he's sponsoring you so that you can keep up with him for free cause you can literally spend his money to buy your upgrades right after him...

[@PixelatedMagikarp]

Honestly if your f2p just play the game and have fun don’t try and become mr number 1

[@ThisIsRusko]

Love the gear costumization, looks like everyone will be quite unique and has to choose strength and weaknesses

[@jcobra44]

What do you mean by "extremely costly" to respec your build? Costly as in materials, having to farm, what's the timeframe etc. etc.?

[@ImDevs]

say you spend all your daily tokens from dungeons and events and stuff for 2 weeks on your staff and dagger, then you decide you wanna switch to sword and shield and great sword combo, then you need to relevel that gear, setting you back. you also need to change your armors and stuff, traits, runes, lots of stuff. some things transfer but it does set you back.

[@ImLqzr]

Watched all your recent videos as I’m hyped for this game so definitely earned my sub!

[@troy5370]

Way to much garbage....You should come out and tell the truth..this isnt solo friendly and it is pay to win....

[@htoras_]

complaining about solo friendly in a mmo... lmao. you're right about the game being dog but ahahahahaha

[@GoodGuyDevin]

@@htoras_ all major mmos have a sect of the game specifically designed for solo content, delves, solo arenas etc

[@MuvvLuvv]

I feel if you missed the arch age pvp guild v guild hype you'll like this MMO. I'm not falling for it again, 3 years of my life gone and all I have to show for it are the best pvp memories and legendary moments, all in my head though and shared amongst my friends that joined me in that journey.

[@Voxnola]

What makes P2W worse or better? In BDO if you spend, you get egregiously diminishing returns which I'd imagine for most people it'd discourage attempting to P2W. $4k USD is almost nothing in that game (so most get their gear without spending). In TNL if you spend 4k, you can get end game gear (ish) on a character? Is it better for it to be easier to pay for gear or harder to pay for gear?

[@Elysiumlost]

I’ll help. Spending $4000 on a game is a completely insane thing to do. P2W = bad. This game won’t succeed in the west with that system. Plain and simple.

[@Voxnola]

@@Elysiumlost that doesn't help. Spending 4000 dollars is more realistic than spending tens of thousands of dollars and even hundreds of thousands of dollars. And yet the end of TNL's P2W is at 4000 dollars. It's not a big enough number deter those that would P2W from spending that amount to get gear. So the question is, is it worse or better that it's basically not possible to fully P2W in BDO versus what it looks like in TNL. Kanon seems to think that TNL is better in terms of P2W, but I don't understand why.

[@Elysiumlost]

@@Voxnola it’s not realistic at all and it’s insane to me that you would position it that way. Spending $4000 on a video game to get more powerful is a completely irresponsible and insane thing to describe as “more realistic”

[@Voxnola]

@@Elysiumlost I don't get how it's insane. People spend money to get ahead. That's what they do. That's not what I personally do, but that's what they do. So the question is, is it better for it to be harder to P2W or easier to P2W ? We've already established that the P2W exists at all, which is irrelevant to the question.

[@MavethTheReaper]

​@Voxnola how about it shouldn't exist at all

[@Aoewin08]

Question about the loot, how does it works for open world content? What I mean by that is, lets take PVE world boss. Do everybody get personal loot on kill, or is it the group/raid who touch it first like it was in the old days of WoW for example (not like this anymore). Thank

[@BaeBunni]

I'm more interested if there is something that can be sold is needed in "large" quantities for the premium currency. Something that really ends up sucking the fun out of any mmo is how to use up mats and suddenly you have just billions of items you can't even sell for their ingame currency let alone premium currency.

[@leapingwater]

Classes are a monumental part of an MMO to me - I wish they'd stop with the purely weapon based class system. A lot of people need class fantasy to immerse themselves

[@SangheliosGaming]

it's your opinion

[@leapingwater]

Guess they agree with me because they're introducing weapon combo class names 😂 ​@@SangheliosGaming

[@jeremywright9511]

@@leapingwater Well the vast majority of mmos use class systems so I would certainly hope for something different. Not sure why something needs to "stop" that is so rare to begin with.

[@MavethTheReaper]

​@@jeremywright9511I hate the weapons also

[@g00nyt]

So close to 100k, come on give the man some subs guys.

[@CrashBashL]

I wish players wouldn't necessarily be guild dependent for loot. By that I mean if a group of friends wishes to play together, to be able to get geared in time without participating in guild wars etc.

[@michals1108]

As an old lineage 2 player I will definitely play this game. I spent so much time playing l2 is crazy

[@vexar7575]

Man i was ok hyped then I heard you say, it's like BDO grind but limited... why limited? Why limit things??? Is this genshin impact? x) Also wtf? This lifeskilling system is complete ass... looks like they just forgot a part of the population lmao I already tried to beta and was reallllllly not impressed with the start of the game tbh it is soooo clunky haha

[@continuepopping]

It’s an mmo…life’s skill will be introduce through time …many people haven’t even max cooking or fishing..relax…

[@vexar7575]

@@continuepopping why would I "relax" ??? I like lifeskilling and it's not present lol wtf?

[@simonchan5195]

Love the video, we need more videos that actually have up to date information vs whatever stuff people regurgitate on reddit.

[@marshalljordan4272]

This is gonna be THE MMO to Play!!!! And a super thanks to you Kanon for. Going to these events and talking to the devs about ways to improve this game for us on launch!!!

[@paintspot1509]

Lol so why is nobody playing it in Korea?

[@andreaforti2645]

You just got scammed by every streamer who want to take money from the sponsor xD

[@laoch5658]

​@@paintspot1509because they play mobile games

[@Niimsy]

@@paintspot1509 did you watch the video?

[@chousan1024]

they said that about lost ark, too

[@inkwyvern5171]

Remember, this game spent its entire development cycle as a mouse-click auto battler for phones. It was only the severe backlash while shoving it out the door did they drag it back by the ankles and ducktaped systems into the mmo that gamers demanded. It'll play exactly how you're imagining

[@jessesenpai6473]

the answer is yes its always yes

[@christopherthomas9218]

The daily stacking thing is nice. I'd at least bump around the game for that.

[@JeffKeens]

Skill cooldowns are still way to high for only having 12 skills slots available

[@rabbibunga7492]

Many weapons can have a full rotation without having to wait I know from beta and from KZbinrs that dagger crossbow and bow staff can have a good rotation without cd if you you do it right

[@ImDevs]

at the start of the game yes absolutely, it feels slow, but when you get to the mid to late game you feel the game speed up and it feels amazing. getting your class to a point where you have a full on rotation and buffs and escape spells. its a lot of fun.

[@keitaro7462]

in game currency can pe purchasable through real money but the ingame shop should not sell upgrades/equipment or anything that will enhance the characters, they should buy via auction/trade house

[@donpaluko7865]

he already said it in his last video that all materials that are need to craft upgrade stuff can only be bought via auction and the rest of the materials you have to get it youreself and cant get it on auction.

[@NikolaNeskovic95]

@@donpaluko7865so same as WoW? You can buy token and convert to gold and you need to get everything from AH, right?

[@WoetotheVanquished]

hm, I just realized that I don't leave comments on your videos. now I will.

[@KanonXO]

i'll be looking out for them

[@Soulhope85]

So how long does it take to get through the "intro" and get to the actual game?

[@CuteDog_]

NICE HAIR BRO

[@_Diktator]

Tried beta, uninstalled after 30min due to how awful it looked and felt to play. Looked and felt like a mobile game, combat felt awful. But I'm still willing to try it out again, and I hope it grabs my attention at least for a month or two.

[@ulfthorsten8425]

ooonest review LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[@zelasd3125]

Yeah, it's like c'mon bruh.

[@geoffgeoffgeoff6149]

Great video, I've been looking for an MMO and came across T&L a month back so waited til release instead of getting Guild Wars. Will be my first proper MMO since Lineage II (ESO didn't compare), which was hardcore and I ploughed years into it as a maxed out necro/SR on Gustin/Phoenix with numerous alts. Nothing has itched the L2 scratch. What time are sieges? Used to be Sunday nights in Europe, or early hours of the morning on NA server for us Brits - that would interfere with my love for the NFL (go Ravens). Need to find a Guild and likeminded casual players, far too busy irl these days to grind like I did 20 years ago.

[@Aikon94]

If you want a casual MMO you should seriously reconsider Guild Wars 2 instead of this.

[@Forsaken66666]

Dead in under 1 month. Why? PAY-2-WIN.

[@Sephix_]

mindless grind, mindset to grind to progress (dont want to suffer?spend money) yeah dead in a month 100% aside from some poor souls that want to prove themselves with a creditcard and some casual plebs that like to RP a nerd behind a keyboard without a goal.

[@tibadan9647]

how you think a game free to play can actualy do some money to recover the investment?????

[@anhhy5486]

@@tibadan9647 I can suggest ads pop up randomly while you play but that's literally crime against humanity at that point LOL

[@SethLT]

Do we think that NC is just waiting for US launch and people to get in before turning up the P2W? That seems like what may be happening here. Anyway, great vid. I'm still on the fence. I want to play but I feel like I'm already behind the curve if I didn't start earlier today and will be even further if I wait for the F2P launch...dang.

[@Gandalf-hn3ss]

oh you dont have to pay to play, pay to play new content, pay to win, pay for convenients like in wow

[@ImDevs]

not really, can be a complete free to play player and experience all of the content and compete with whales, nothing like other mmos.

[@Gandalf-hn3ss]

@@ImDevs I know you can be free to play in T&L I was talking about wow= world of warcraft have to pay at least about 200$/year

[@ImDevs]

@@Gandalf-hn3ss oh my fault I misunderstood, yes it’s nice because you DONT have to pay to play. I mean… sorta. You can just buy that battle pass and that’s like as far as it goes you don’t need to spend past that, or you can play the game sell items and buy the battle pass that way

[@chaostheory3011]

Were you the guy that was yelling commands when Shroud was streaming? That was hilarious and absolutely epic. 🤣

[@thtphatcat]

I'll keep it short and sweet. The game sucks. It really, really sucks.

[@smellybearc7411]

I have full confidence in Amazon’s ability to screw any game up

[@GiverrionBG]

And showing Whelps on longbow staff as f2p player while he nolife 20 hours a day is Just joke

[@ImDevs]

if you have a life are you saying you cant play that long because you have a job? okay then you can pay a little to make up for the time you cant play. boom youre on the same playing field as whelps just spending your time differently. ill never understand why people make your arguement, its an example of how a player who hasnt spent anything CAN kill a End game player who has spent something, thats all it is.

[@tume8834]

is that the Whelps who streams 20h per day, but 1/4 of that him progressing char cuz its time gated?

[@MrJotaFelipe]

Enjoyed the Open Beta so much! Looking forward to global launch!

[@joshuasmith1597]

So a lot of timegated content. Id be willing to bet you can buy access to more of that timegated content to progress faster. It would be par for the course as far as NCSoft goes.

[@Justblaze444]

Everything from the game's monetization to gameplay and aesthetics (which is baffling looking at how good lineage projects look) is just subpar and people will be back with their favorite MMOs in a month.

[@hikarisama306]

Tab target ? SKIP.