This is my version of the King Way alignment tool. We'll see how it goes together and how it works.
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@sl1200mk026 жыл бұрын
have to say, between you, Brian an tony, I learn tons from your videos. thank you putting time and effort into providing engaging content.
@WatchWesWork6 жыл бұрын
I'm glad someone likes it.
@sl1200mk026 жыл бұрын
and Stephan, his video and machine work is top notch from my layman perspective as well
@sl1200mk026 жыл бұрын
and robin, damn, too many smart people posting great videos, thank you all, so much better than tv, cut the cord thanks to you all and haven't looked back
@lockbuilder6 жыл бұрын
Can't wait to see the follow-up too! Great video Wes. Thanks for sharing it.
@WatchWesWork6 жыл бұрын
Should be coming soon.
@1873Winchester4 жыл бұрын
@@WatchWesWork I believe I saw you selling this tool on practical machinist? Have you moved on to other things? I thought it was a very clever design and I will copy it instead of using a tube.
@Sugarkryptonite3 жыл бұрын
@@WatchWesWork Hey Wes did you ever release that 2nd video? Can't find it on your channel
@gwcude6 жыл бұрын
Very clever replacement to the original tube design and I like the added capability your improved King-Way gives. Kudos to you, Wes! Cheers, Gary
@WatchWesWork6 жыл бұрын
Hopefully it works as I hope.
@OldIronShops6 жыл бұрын
improvement means its a patentable idea right lol
@OldIronShops6 жыл бұрын
by the way did you ever finish yours gary
@WatchWesWork6 жыл бұрын
Well it's been publicly disclosed now, so we can kiss that patent goodbye...
@OldIronShops6 жыл бұрын
Wes Johnson not really you just have a time limit from now tell you apply. Doesn't sound like you are looking to do that but door is not closed
@toddk.58736 жыл бұрын
Good job Wes. Thanks for taking the time to share that. I like the way you made that ball joint I've been thinking on the easiest way to make those. I'll consider that design.
@WatchWesWork6 жыл бұрын
I tried buying a swivel foot but it was really crusty and not suitable for a precision tool. Mine's more complicated to build, but simpler to use than the original King Way.
@toddk.58736 жыл бұрын
It never occurred to me to buy them. I just seen them on ebay after reading your response. Maybe the easiest way for my project is to buy them. I have a natural talent for doing everything the hard way. Thanks again
@somebodyelse66736 жыл бұрын
Quality doesn't have to be complicated or unreasonably expensive, if you supply the elbow grease. Top shelf build of the Wes Way tool! :-)
@WatchWesWork6 жыл бұрын
Yes. Plus building things is fun.
@karlsorensen32144 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great video Wes! I really enjoyed it!
@houseofbrokendobbsthings55376 жыл бұрын
Wes, Very nice work again. Lever handles are a nice touch. _Dan_
@WatchWesWork6 жыл бұрын
Those levers are really nice, but a bit pricey. I wanted to be sure I could get them tight so the foot didn't move around.
@akfarmboy494 жыл бұрын
I came back for a fresher on your design of this tool
@mabmachine4 жыл бұрын
Wishing we had got part 2, any chance of that happening?
@vtstudio316 жыл бұрын
vary nice, Wes i like your use of spherical washers Thanks,ron
@WatchWesWork6 жыл бұрын
I try to always use them under a clamping element.
@derekgee42235 жыл бұрын
Great video , clear and concise thank you
@James-fs4rn6 жыл бұрын
thanks for sharing. looking forward to seeing it in action.
@zephyrold24786 жыл бұрын
Hi Great tool, a good old handmade thumbs up to you, would love to have one to check and adjust my lathe and mill. all the best.
@sharpx7776 жыл бұрын
very nice design, thanks for sharing
@clarencewiles963 Жыл бұрын
You should have registered it. It’s a good design. And you have this down load dating it. So it would be hard for someone to patent it.
@SteveSummers6 жыл бұрын
I like it, Looks great! Thumbs up
@WatchWesWork6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Steve!
@forrestaddy96446 жыл бұрын
Nice piece of work. Your improvements are definite improvements not mere changes: they actually address and remedy shortcomings in the original design. Hurry up with the levels. I want to see how you attacked the fine adjust problem.
@WatchWesWork6 жыл бұрын
In theory, yes. We will have to see how it actually works. I ordered the vials, but it may be a while before part 2.
@forrestaddy96446 жыл бұрын
Wes Johnson Geier and Bluhm have a website shed they sell mounted vials graduated down to 5 arc seconds. Not too expensive and they sell the posts and adjusting nuts.
@stevecanny15836 жыл бұрын
Super awesome Wes! Do you notice more hysteresis in the setup than what's in the indicator itself? Meaning, does the reading at a given point change very much when you arrive there sliding in one direction than it does if you approach the point from the other side (sliding in the opposite direction)?
@WatchWesWork6 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure yet. This is the first time I've ever put it together. I'm hoping it's heavy enough to be pretty solid.
@12345NoNamesLeft6 жыл бұрын
Awesome, I want one but the real King Way prices are stupid
@WatchWesWork6 жыл бұрын
Yes. Mine was not exactly cheap to build though. By the time I am done, the materials alone will be over $300.
@12345NoNamesLeft6 жыл бұрын
The first ebay sold price I see is $1500 plus $600 shipping.
@WatchWesWork6 жыл бұрын
I think he was asking over $3000 for a new one.
@roverinosnarkman72406 жыл бұрын
Excellent. Subscribed
@michaelhayward75726 жыл бұрын
Subscribed!
@1186MFG6 жыл бұрын
Looks legit.
@moms7625 жыл бұрын
Where’s part two? I couldn’t find it.
@WatchWesWork5 жыл бұрын
It doesn't exist.
@moms7625 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the reply. Nice Work. I think I’ll copy your design somewhat, but might put separate tightening knobs on.
@michaelhayward75726 жыл бұрын
Pardon my French, but that is fanfuckingtastic!
@WatchWesWork6 жыл бұрын
That's not in my French phrase book.
@georgewocosky6 жыл бұрын
* I believe it's "Yugoslobvian" ? :p Nice design & execution , Wes ! I'm looking forward to the various uses . "If one is to ere, it's best to err on the side of perfection ! " Another fave, : " If you cannot make it accurate, at LEAST make it adjustable ! " (the above typo was on purpose)
@eformance6 жыл бұрын
Do my eyes deceive me, or is that a BobCAD toolpath?
@WatchWesWork6 жыл бұрын
HSMWorks. It's just a rough and finish profile. About 50 lines of code.
@rammohang47606 жыл бұрын
This is a very graphic video.
@RRINTHESHOP6 жыл бұрын
Nice, I like it. Good design.
@WatchWesWork6 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@MyLilMule Жыл бұрын
Hey Wes. Did you ever do a follow up to this? I'd love to build one of these myself.
@bcbloc026 жыл бұрын
I might would add some sort of positive stop feature to the adjustable base rods. Something like a threaded rod with trunions. It is critical that the distance between your rods with the ground bushings does not change during your measurements and it seems that a careless heavy touch could likely alter yours with only the friction from the lock handle holding against the long leverage from the arms to the ways. Otherwise looks great to me!
@WatchWesWork6 жыл бұрын
We'll have to see. There's a hell of a lot of clamping pressure there. I made a test jig before I built the actual tool. It takes something like 75ft-lbs to actually make the joint slip.
@WatchWesWork6 жыл бұрын
Heh. I meant 75in-lbs. And that's times two. I think it should be as rigid as the other joints in the assembly. I guess we'll find out!
@OldIronShops6 жыл бұрын
i had the similar thought but was wondering about the parelisem of the rods but thats testabble . this is the first kind way i have seen in any form . does any one have drawings of the oem type? this is a very well made tool and i'm certain it will work fine . good job man !!
@stevecanny15836 жыл бұрын
I'm thinking the parallelism of the rods is "self-correcting", and that all that matters is that it remains stable. Four points on a prismatic way can only set in one place (given the ball rest on the other side) and it wouldn't matter if the front sat a little lower than the back or vice-versa; it would be consistent throughout a sweep and that's all that matters in this application.
@OldIronShops6 жыл бұрын
well if there were only 3 points of contact id agree with you but there are 4 so what is to stop it rocking to the foth point and leading to a error . i'm sure this is why the original used a precision grown surface for the contact points. there's a lot of parts that can move here
@roverinosnarkman72403 жыл бұрын
Did part 2 get deleted? Or is it ‘still in production’? This was a very good video, thanks!
@williamwoturski50144 жыл бұрын
Very well done Wes ,simple and looks to be a very useful tool. I am currently rebuilding my south bend and sure could use one. As it is I have to learn to scrape!!! That said if you could supply a drawing in pdf format or another common form it would greatly benefit me as I am approaching 70, I don’t have much time to figure out , let alone build them so a drawing would greatly help. If you want to sell the drawing or the tool let me know, as I said I would greatly appreciate it. I love the way you considered building a tool that works on small v ways like south bend. Thank you very much for any help in this. Bill
@shutterbugg52173 жыл бұрын
What happened to part 2?
@AntonioClaudioMichael Жыл бұрын
Your version of the Kingway tool is very nice love the Swingable Cameras Accessory arm you used @Watch Wes Work
@radiusnorth16755 жыл бұрын
It's been a year! I suspect these things come easily to you, so they don't hold your interest. I sure would like to see PART 2 incorporating the vials / levels. Thanks
@WatchWesWork5 жыл бұрын
Time flies I guess! I do have a project for this tool, so maybe I will finish it up before I tackle it.
@leebretzlaff45012 жыл бұрын
Wes, I haven’t any idea what your working on but anyone with any common sense should realize your one hell of a long way to what’s considered a mechanic. I find your videos great information, not to mention your sarcasm. I’m here in central Illinois just south of Champaign so I’m very familiar with the problems of Illinois weather. Lee Bretzlaff
@ROBRENZ6 жыл бұрын
Nicely done Wes! ATB, Robin
@WatchWesWork6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Robin!
@OldIronShops6 жыл бұрын
now this is high prase right here
@ronrinock69436 жыл бұрын
Great design improvements, appreciate you sharing it!
@roverinosnarkman72406 жыл бұрын
Very good, thoughtful work- excellent actually (and you are so young!). No doubt that you will do very well and be very successful,...hopefully you will find the time to make more video about your modifications of this device. Will you use two crossed vials? I realize that you have already done far more than most people- (many of us contribute nothing except complaining). Thank you, Mr Johnson I appreciate very much your contributions! -Rov
@lookcreations6 жыл бұрын
Been holding off making a variation Wes' when might part 2 be ready for our viewing pleasure :-) I share your view on the tube rest limitations - still trying to think of a simple solution with less pats than your fine example. All the best Mat
@juliussandor43553 жыл бұрын
Wow, this is the info on scraping I have been looking for. Thank you so much for sharing.
@mickocallaghan48966 жыл бұрын
great job wes i love your design of the adjustable foot. simple looking design but takes a clever fella to come up with it.
@WatchWesWork6 жыл бұрын
And if we are lucky, it might even work.
@akfarmboy493 жыл бұрын
I still like your idea When I get time I’ll build one
@alanrobison3298 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting video Wes.
@sheriffroylambifs8945 жыл бұрын
I see this as so SIMPLY GENIUS
@ddanielmiester4 жыл бұрын
Wes, if you're wondering why this video is getting a bunch more traffic, it was mentioned in one of @abom79's latest videos.
@Paullyb793 жыл бұрын
Excellent.
@houseofbrokendobbsthings55376 жыл бұрын
Calling Dr. Johnson. Brian Bloc has a glass scale question over on his channel. Might be in your wheel house of wacky machine repair.
@hairyfro2 жыл бұрын
Have you found the 6" foot to be too long? Thinking about making my own attempt at this but probably would want a smaller foot to be able to sample a greater range of shorter ways.
@grahamsengineering.25325 жыл бұрын
Very nicely done. You can download a copy of the original patented sketches for the Kingway Alignment tool. The slit tube foot can be mounted slit down or slit up.
@firstmkb5 жыл бұрын
Patiently looking forward to Part Two of the Wes Way tool now that the weather is turning. Sorry, but Johnson Way doesn't have quite the same ring to it!
@sweetpeaz614 жыл бұрын
Brilliant!
@marks56036 жыл бұрын
Nice redesign on the horizontal guide bar. I'm also collecting parts for mine. I'll be interested in what you use for levels I looked into the Geier & Bluhm 20sec/division. A little pricey. And the ones Richard had we're nicer than what they offer now. Also, the ring under the ball was just a big inner ball bearing race. Really like your approach on things. Keep it up.
@WatchWesWork6 жыл бұрын
The Geier Bluhms are probably the most convenient. I'm still debating it.
@williamcunningham58056 жыл бұрын
I picked a Wyler cross test level for my build (reasonably priced eBay find). It has easy mounting locations and three good points to jack on to level it with the carrier I make for it locked to the rod. It's also already mounted vials and far more compact than the original. Only half as accurate (0.001"/foot), but you could got for similar the size of the original and buy up a size in cross test level for the original's accuracy. In the alternative, there are some damn nice looking pre-mounted vials from China these days. Not sure how you could test that they meet their theoretical spec, but worth thinking about.
@WatchWesWork6 жыл бұрын
I have seen them. I could live with the accuracy, but the vials have only 3 or 4 graduations and then you're off the scale. We'll have to wait and see which direction I go.
@williamcunningham58056 жыл бұрын
I'll be interested to see. I haven't seen you do anything that wasn't pretty seriously well thought out, so I'm looking forward to it. 👍
@PeteBrubaker6 жыл бұрын
Good stuff man. I also just built my version of the king way. I got to study one in person at one of Richard's classes, and I went ahead and made the tube out of 4140 HT like the original, but now I may copy your design for the foot rest. Cheers!
@WatchWesWork6 жыл бұрын
I'll give it a good shake down and give a report on how well it works.
@superdansilverman6 жыл бұрын
I like that all your videos are of super street fighter
@PeteBrubaker6 жыл бұрын
Ha, thanks! I used to be pretty into it. Times change though.
@PeteBrubaker11 ай бұрын
@@WatchWesWorkOne of these days there will be a part 2 of this video. One day that Lagun will get scraped, and you will blow the minds of everyone when you show them how to use this thing. I have been waiting sooooo long! I love all the stuff you do, but I miss the machining days. Hell, I'd come help you. I have taken Richard's class, have a few power scrapers, a power flaker, straight edges, my own version of the KingWay, the books, and I can contact Richard if we get stuck.
@bmlennox4 жыл бұрын
I saw this mentioned on another channel-Abom maybe?
@billdlv6 жыл бұрын
Nice job on the machine design elements, it looks like they made the assembly easy. From what you describe with the original version of the tool your 2 piece design for the tube looks like a big improvement.
@beefchicken Жыл бұрын
This video concludes my binge watching of the entire Watch Wes Work back catalog. It’s been a ride. Wes, I know you’ll probably never see this comment, because that’s how KZbin notifications be, but your change in tone has been interesting. Your earliest videos are quite didactic, interesting nonetheless, but in your newer stuff you let your cynicism and wit shine and it really helps lighten the mood. I’m looking forward to what you have up your sleeve next. Maybe in another 4 years you’ll be rebuilding jet engines or restoring electron microscopes.
@WatchWesWork Жыл бұрын
You're a trooper!
@ThunderDog6 жыл бұрын
I'm in the process of making one now. Nice job.
@TheMudfly806 жыл бұрын
Could you release the dimensions of the pieces you cnc'd?
@stevevogelman33602 жыл бұрын
Very, very impressive. Nice work Wes.
@unclespicey424 жыл бұрын
Nice mods Richard should be proud of you :)
@davidhall48454 жыл бұрын
Wow I'm impressed by your design. impressive
@j.k.j.j.k.j.996 жыл бұрын
bruh. i been watchin you videos. you da man!
@stevecanny15836 жыл бұрын
Hi Wes, I thought you might want to check out this level mounting idea, about halfway down the page: metalscraping.com/w2-Preview.html. The basic idea is that the level vial is mounted on a base that pivots by way of a micrometer head, such that you can get a direct-ish reading of the relative droop at a certain spot by just re-leveling the vial and reading the micrometer head. Not necessarily a good idea in this case, but maybe grist for the mil :)
@WatchWesWork6 жыл бұрын
I saw a King Way clone on the practical machinist forum made just the same way not long ago. It was a little more clumsy, but the same idea. I have a similar concept in mind. Thanks!
@CraigLYoung6 жыл бұрын
How well does it brake down for transport? Will you need a special case? How long does it take to assemble and calibrate for service? It does look like something I could use, nice design.
@WatchWesWork6 жыл бұрын
You can break it down enough to fit in a tool box in just a few seconds. The level vials are delicate, but the rest is pretty tough.
@andrewsmancave6 жыл бұрын
The point you make at 15:53 .. love it .. reminds me of when I read "Foundations of Mechanical Accuracy" and it clicked about making a perfectly flat reference from 3 plates and from that you can make perfect 90' angle plates etc .. it's all about the reference surfaces.
@WatchWesWork6 жыл бұрын
Rebuilding is more about measuring than anything else. The Connely book has one short chapter on actually scraping. The rest of the book is about measuring and order of operations.
@brandontscheschlog5 жыл бұрын
Very cool! Brilliant design!
@kubabuda4 жыл бұрын
Hello, why is sviwel foot needed? Why not leave ball end there to get single point contact?
@WatchWesWork4 жыл бұрын
The foot helps to smooth the reading.
@madmodifier6 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Thanks for sharing!
@terrylembke81006 жыл бұрын
I like this Wes . I have got to build one . use on my machines.Thanks for sharing.
@WatchWesWork6 жыл бұрын
You should. It's not difficult, just time consuming.
@davidhamilton76286 жыл бұрын
at least you could get out of your head and make it real! I think you could sale a lot of them .it's nice of you to share your plans .great job
@WatchWesWork6 жыл бұрын
I think I read somewhere that Richard King said he thought there had been less than 2000 King Way tools sold in the 50+ years since it was invented. It's a very small market and it's actively shrinking. The tool look simple, but it takes a lot of time to make it and the material are pricey. I doubt I could sell them. But, if people want to copy it, I'm all for it.
@Steve_Just_Steve6 жыл бұрын
Think we'll ever get a part two Wes or have you moved on since some of the machines have been sold?
@WatchWesWork6 жыл бұрын
Oh, one of these days. Probably when the snow flies, which isn't that far away.
@bertr56506 жыл бұрын
Nice design Wes. I guess you could put on a few simple rubber o-rings to stop any sudden movement when using your adjusting knobs.
@WatchWesWork6 жыл бұрын
That's a good idea. Though, the rods do have to be removable to break the tool down for storage/transport. Maybe some kind of spring loaded pin? I guess we'll see.
@OldIronShops6 жыл бұрын
wouldn't a nice little rack and pinion setup be cool . tuff for a home jober but nice to dream
@slagelcabinetry98756 жыл бұрын
I just saw one identical to that on Sunday! ;-) Good job, love the design.
@WatchWesWork6 жыл бұрын
Weird. I wonder how that happened...
@cncit6 жыл бұрын
Now you can make these worth keeping the Tree vmc ;-)
@WatchWesWork6 жыл бұрын
Nothing like a 50x25 VMC to make a part 3" long.
@bugrobotics6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@mark633666 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this, building a king way is a upcoming project for me. I wonder if you will end up liking/hating the single knob adjust after some use. I would love a parts list or diagram.
@WatchWesWork6 жыл бұрын
We'll have to see. It would be very easy to make it work with two knobs. Just thread the middle of the clamp block and have the stud stick out on either side. I had designed it that way originally, but this is simpler and a little cheaper.
@mark633666 жыл бұрын
It's always nice when someone else does the experiment for you. It will be interesting to see this in use.
@johnstrange67996 жыл бұрын
Way to take things up a notch. Great job.
@WatchWesWork6 жыл бұрын
I don't know about up, maybe over a notch.
@davidhamilton76286 жыл бұрын
very nice how long did that take to design
@WatchWesWork6 жыл бұрын
Way too long.
@motorbreath226 жыл бұрын
Mooooaaaareee
@alansmith87646 жыл бұрын
First class, yet again.
@WatchWesWork6 жыл бұрын
Thanks.
@WCGwkf6 жыл бұрын
Awesome now I want to make one
@WatchWesWork6 жыл бұрын
You can. It's pretty simple.
@OldIronShops6 жыл бұрын
yes indeed i have several 100 year old machines looking to get rebuilt
@janvanruth34856 жыл бұрын
In testing a lathe why not let the ball ride on the only surface that has no wear, the machined surface in between the back inverted v where the tailstock rides on and the flat the saddle rides on?
@WatchWesWork6 жыл бұрын
On most lathes, that is not a precision ground surface. Normally, that surface has been milled to give some clearance for the grinding process, but is very rough. Sometimes you can use the top of the inverted V way if the bed was crush ground with a form wheel (common on smaller lathes).
@janvanruth34856 жыл бұрын
bur surely the flat must be worn to some degree, how to account for that wear?
@WatchWesWork6 жыл бұрын
Yes. The tool is used to measure that wear. So, we could scrape the tailstock ways straight, then use them to measure the carriage ways and then scrape them to be straight and parallel to the tailstock ways.
@janvanruth34856 жыл бұрын
ok , but how to get the tailstock way parrallel to the spindle?
@WatchWesWork6 жыл бұрын
Use the tool and measure to a test bar in the spindle.
@EnlightenedSavage6 жыл бұрын
Do you have any design docs or cad files?
@WatchWesWork6 жыл бұрын
I have a SolidWorks model. I will try to find a way to share it.
@12345NoNamesLeft6 жыл бұрын
I'd appreciate PDF drawings
@eformance6 жыл бұрын
If you can import it into Fusion 360, they have a built-in sharing capability. I could potentially help produce some proper drawings using the model in Fusion 360 (they have a stupid simple drawing/dimensioning capability).