My visit to Orania with Penuel & Tribal Media House

[@merlenicholls]

Thank you so much for this brilliant and honest production. It gives me hope...

[@Ajs195704]

Thank u my brother for the information, hope this shuts many negative voices that speak negative of Oranje ,God bless the people ,I'm not white ,but we can learn something

[@germaineludik]

We have NEVER needed any governments. The biggest lie we were ever told was that we need to submit to a group of people who believe that we can't do things for ourselves. The day the world wakes up to this lie, the day we all become free again. Study permaculture guys. Study how to be self reliant. Form intentional communities that are anchored in shared values and culture. We already have all the resources and skills to do it. It just takes a few determined individuals. This interview that took place between your crew and Joost is historic. Thank you for sharing your honest opinion and experience

[@esterveldman4983]

I truly believe we should go back to the black kingdoms, and few Oranias for the whities, we will all live in peace and harmony every king makes his own rules in his own kingdom

[@rekkabcleaningandlaundroma3580]

​I would like for my people to live and manage our own piece of land. We did this before 1994 and our elders did a good job, although they couldn't read or write. Now adays it will be different as our people are educated and technology wise.

[@anne-maridewet2703]

100%

[@georgie1139]

So interesting, thank you ❤ perception is everything.

[@sifisoj.h.mkhize9012]

I'm inspired by all the effort you guys made. You whole experience is informative. I now hold a different view of Orania. It reminds me of the late Zulu Prime Minister, Prince Mangosuthu Buthelezi who was advocating for a federal state/government.

[@harryvanniekerk7269]

Hello Penson. I am a white elderly south African male. I did not like al of your language, but I liked your objectivity and soberness. I enjoy Citizen concerned and 360 with Thomas for the simple reason that they value truth and they think constructively. I have been praying for all South Africans across the board for many years and lately that SA will be governed in righteousness. I feel like God is beginning to answer me and fellow intercessors prayers because of the awareness people are getting that there is a right way to govern, THank you so much for your open mind.

[@TheHipHopRhythm]

😂😂😂

[@harryvanniekerk7269]

@@TheHipHopRhythm whati What is so much funny user-bt6me1vh21? Dont you know what it is to be upright?

[@gstar3569]

@@TheHipHopRhythmsomething funny… like your inferiority complex 😂😂

[@andrepotgieter7083]

I also subscribe to Citizen concerned and 360 with Thomas! Their journalism is at the Next Level and everyone should subscribe to their excellence!

[@wimoweh1951]

Praying for their safety

[@CornéVenter-p2v]

Oranje is not racist they are just sick and tired of the downfall of the ANC that nothing works and not moving forward. Oranje is a small town and little bit of people who make things works and to move forward.

[@unathimichaelmxaku8105]

It was created during Mandela time.They just don't see themselves living with blacks.

[@andresullivan6473]

That's not true you need to know the history Orania was started. It was established in 1991 before the ANC came to power so you are pushing a narrative that is not accurate. As stated in this video they are people that beleive in Christ and love God and wanted to protect there children against the evils of this world and give there families a life style the suits there beleifs and culture. A people with deep respect to others. I am white and English I'm a christain and I speak afrikaans fluently I won't be able to live in orania. Why? I don't have afrikaans calture I'm not a farmer my skill set would probably not suit the town. If you want to imergrate to another country you are vetted and looked at to see what benefits the country on that basis you are accepted or rejected. Why not the same standard for Orania. So this has very little to do with the ANC

[@CornéVenter-p2v]

@@andresullivan6473 yea I don't really care when orania started is about they build up and moving forward . ANC when they took place look how many things falling apart and corruption play a big role in this country.

[@andresullivan6473]

@@CornéVenter-p2v then your concepts on Orania are biggotted and lack truth. If you hate the ANC dont use Orina as a spring board for your own lack of doing anything to change the country

[@gxobinjasambemntungwa9694]

Racists always justify their act,am not surprised reading this comment

[@elizabethklimke6292]

I was ready to give you a mouth full. Thank you for giving an honest overview of this town. God bless you.

[@RalieWhite]

Baie dankie vir nou positiewe verslag, ons kan in vrede saam met alle volke leef as ons mekaar se waardes respekteer en n positiewe gesindheid teenoor mekaar handhaaf. Baie dankie.

[@Galuppi728]

Thank you. You're a breath of fresh air. Bless you!

[@Scorpion-se4ef]

The way i see it is they the same as the American Amish, they a community on there own and do not want to be influenced by people and liberal leftist in there community, I fully agree with them.

[@pamelamcmahonpanther4588]

They made themselves happy. The mass has their future in their own hands, up to you to make you happy.

[@Ajs195704]

Let oranje be a good example of creative n peacefull living ,so I pray they improve n expand that place 🙏

[@123heinie]

Hi Penson - I was a young man in 1992 when we voted in the referendum to do away with apartheid. I firmly believed that becoming one nation (albeit with different cultures and needs) - we would all be free South Africans . And because so many fought for the right to vote and be a full citizen of this beautiful country, I thought the price that was paid by so many would bring forward the will to build - to be - to create. I believed that South Africa would use the principles of an Orania - respect culture and language - people rights. But what we got was a divided country - a country that has become paralyzed because a few "leaders" who have no interest in building or creating. Politics have surpassed everything in the "job" market - and with it the civil service has crumbled into nothing. Work is non existent - and people are worse on financially than they were pre-1994. So what to do :For a start - recognize that we can learn from each other. That we are not enemies as the race baiters would like you to think. Bring this type of positive message - and then act on it. Don't sell you soul for a tshirt and a food packet - not for the DA, ANC,EFF or anybody else. Say NO to negativity - to pre-conceived ideas. Lets really talk. Lets do.

[@nmatsaba2383]

I've never agreed more, concerning that big three, it's going to be a tough one this year.

[@SA-Napalm]

every time a leader says "our people", they are not agreeing to the principles of the ending of Apartheid.. just saying

[@karenj8406]

Everybody who has been to Orania came back impressed on how the community sustain themselves. Such an eye opener and mindset change it seems

[@jacohauptfleisch935]

Thank you for a great review and look at Oranje. I am a white Afrikaans guy. Will I stay there? Probably not. What is great is that people from all walks of life visit Oranje and see what can be done by a community. The current national government fears the day when more people stand up and form their own community that looks after themselves - that works. Thanks again for an honest opinion.

[@normaday6289]

Thank you for actually going there and finding (most of) the Afrikaner courteous and friendly. It is the politicians especially the ones in red overalls causing and wanting devision amongst us. Give us the change to work together, as many already have and for many years. Together and we can be a great country again

[@andrepotgieter7083]

I also subscribe to Citizen concerned and 360 with Thomas! Their journalism is at the Next Level and everyone should subscribe to their excellence!

[@awaywithword]

Ps good work and honest observation. Dont judge anyone and life would be so much more relaxed.

[@pensonmlotshwa]

It’s tough not to judge… but we try to be better every day.

[@johanvandermerwe4620]

Why don't these guys have a good look how a town work for a community and then do same with Soweto or Alexander They have all the skills according them We don't go snoop around in there settlements but they always want to snoop our places and then call us racists if we refuse them to put foot there They didn't built it so stay away do your own thing

[@LollyClarke]

How I wish we could have a Orania, nothing but peace

[@angiepelser3251]

God forbid you to ever have orania. You were given a land of peace and that worked and broke it, south africa had it alllll and yous broke it in 30 years

[@expose_massive_banking_crime]

and fairness. And law for all.

[@jeannetteviviers9851]

Thanks Penuel. Great objective video. You are the right person to do a video on the Afrikaner history. We suffered greatly under British rule. I grew up learning about the British concentration camps ancestors of mine died in. Between 18000 and 30000 Afrikaners died in concentration camps. Afrikaner economic empowerment only started in approximately 1948; my grandfathers were a bus driver and a miner respectively. There was no money for education. My generation didn't grow up with silver spoons in our mouths. Be well, Penuel.🎉

[@harrysmith3125]

Thank you, young man, for saying it like it is. I am a Christian Afrikaner, yet I have never even contemplated moving to Orania. Thanks to your unbiased post, I am almost envious of my people who live there.

[@debbiefouchee5255]

Thank You for clearing that up, a lot of people that think, Orania is all about racism.

[@lyndabanks3151]

WOW! GREAT WHAT YOU DID AND YOUR KZbin VIDEO! I live in JHB - And I just love all our wonderful People from all colours cultures and Backgrounds - We have the Best County and People in the world and I would not change that for anything! I believe that we have a Great County with Wonderful People and I love being with/Amongst them all. However, if we could all live & Work together like the Orania People - Imagine just how AWESOME and WONDERFUL SOUTH AFRICA COULD BE! Oranje is a great example of People working together to achieve a massive Goal. Thank You for Your Phenomenal Work, Information and Video! You are so Appreciated! Big Time!🤗😘

[@danisilemlotshwa4752]

xie xie Princepen, I can't wait to visit Orania, great video thank you 🙏

[@shaungrobler3607]

Two words Pride! Legacy! You have to have and understand some form of this in life to enhance everything around you!

[@shemaneexpressdeliveriespt8869]

"Guys, It's so clean, you feel like you're trespassing literally for being there" That was my take for the day✅

[@pensonmlotshwa]

I definitely have never seen a place so clean. Many South Afrikans would feel a type of way being in a clean place like that…

[@gstar3569]

I tried to confront 3 young ladies ( maybe 15 years old )today who decided to just toss their garbage on the floor a few meters away from a dustbin. I received a sullen look and no response. I cannot understand how people have no respect for their environment… it’s disgusting , the disrespect is astounding. People live in their own garbage… do they have no dignity or self pride, then you expect people to respect you, help you, pay taxes for you??? We need a benevolent dictator to discipline South Africans we behave like fucking toddlers it’s shameful.

[@ednafourie7509]

​The whole South Africa use to be clean like that. Look for old photos pre ANC. Black people was not what the ANC and EFF described They were well dressed and proud. They did not run fron police as law abiding citizens. It was only the terrorists and people like the totsis doing what EFF is doing now. They raised their own children not the government. For years we listened to the propaganda you young ones was fed and wondered if truth will ever come out. Do you know that the older black people who tried to speak up against ANC lies was "necklessed" the older people was scared to speak up. There was a lot of violence. One day the whole truth will come out. I am so sorry that you have to grow up in the South Africa you see now. But maybe it is a blessing too. At least you can appreciate the cleanliness you see in Orania now. @@pensonmlotshwa

[@weymouthesterhuizen1145]

God bless South Africa. May we all (races) learn from such Afrikaaners and let our cups overflow to help motivate to do the right thing and look after our communities as our goverment has failed us when we just look at law and order. God bless SA and all our communities. Amen.

[@NerinaRSA]

It was so refreshing to listen to you. Being an Afrikaner, I've never been there.. However if they can do it the rest of us can do it too.

[@theresagosling1530]

EVERY TOWN IN SOUTH AFRICA USED TO BE THAT CLEAN.

[@Enoch940]

Save SA . Give country back to the Boere.

[@MargaretEibl]

No do not give it to the boere.,look what de Klerk did. He sold .this country down the river. When the United Party ruled, there was no racism whatsoever, no apartheid. There was peace and love between black and white. You want to dominate and push a language that is not yours. It belongs to the .cape colourd people. There you go again trying to say it is yours when it is not. If you want a language at all, then speak high hollands.

[@FlorenceSeptember]

I think the villages have alot of land and open spaces, which can become an Orania too. If people in the villages start doing the same. ❤

[@TebogoMasinga-hf8cw]

Wow these people are visionaries We should actually learn from them. I think that is the South Africa I would go for...

[@ianjacobs2998]

Great views. GREAT PODCAST

[@abriesteyn6055]

Well done guys.. Thanks for a true and good show..

[@SimphiweZondo-v6e]

thank uou for the the orania information

[@WyBez]

Thanks penson for your input, you are so honest and gave first hand info which i which we could make goverment to think the same about the country's people and not skin colour, the future is still to come and the past is gone, if this country could become a next orania for "ALL" cultures then this would have been the only country in the world to the love GOD wants us to have to each other, thanks again !!!

[@JFDSmit-rm6tw]

While I was in the military, I heard a story of a black Sergeant Major whose car broke down near Orania. The people who eventually helped him were a husband and wife from Orania who towed his car to their home, let him stay over in their house for the night and the next day his car was repaired and he left.

[@vicvanvuuren198]

Thanks for your honesty

[@mariusnel8129]

Thank you for your video. I'm Afrikaans and a Christian, but I can't see myself staying there. They are in the middle of nowhere. The heat can also get bad. It's a mission to get something to grow there. However, we can learn a few things from them regarding water purification. Madiba was also there for koeksusters and tea along time ago. Thank you for going there and be blessed 🙏❤️

[@angiepelser3251]

Thank God that the people of orania are ruled by God,

[@denisemackay1988]

Great presentation 👏 thank you

[@yugoslava6409]

It is so true that you mentioned it is not about race only. It is about Afrikaans' identity that they guard and preserve ultimately. As an Eastern European living i SA for several decades,I can firmly say that I have experienced hostility from Afrikaans people, like from no one ethnicities, nationality, or races group. Ever ! Having said so, I haven't experienced much negativity, neither. It's just a plain, straightforward, nonverbal dislike and clear message that I am not part of their click and that I will never be. I got the message, and I have accepted without a grudge. But I still have respect for their work ethic, their constant hard work, their presrsevance and all good they manage to bring to this country ( minus apartheid). Well done for your unbiased presentation. You have nailed it !!!❤

[@momleon]

Thanks for your take on Orania. Joost said when morning shot went there. they plan to have enough power by the end of the year to not have load shedding from 7am to 10 pm. the ultimate goal is to be completely off grid.

[@jelesstaats5130]

Greeting from the land down under. Live and let live. reminds me of a modern version of the Pennsylvania Dutch in the US.

[@bakkiesbuitendach442]

As Afrikaner and Lover of Christ I had a negative and uninformed/immature view of Oranje. Thanks for your objective and extremly informative view. Realy changed my mind and filled me with deep respect and admaration!!!❤❤

[@logic_matters]

Imagine this ethos being implemented in South Africa as a whole.. I mean removing race as a denominator, but focusing on the good and actually RAISING the beauty of all cultures. It's the finger pointing at this and that which is creating this void.

[@angiepelser3251]

That can never happen because those that worship god can not be EQUALLY yoked with those that worship ancestors which dokter and SUNGOMAS. Never, we as Christian's serve God and have no other godss. And for that reason black and white will never unite, god will never allow it,

[@christoomey1275]

First time I have watched your channel, honest and open points of view about an area we all have had our own opinions about Orania, without experiencing the place

[@JazminYa]

Nothing wrong of loving your culture... they are not harming anyone..people are just gelous because they make it work and live peacefully and working together and understanding eachother and no conflict to try and explain why you are different. They are not racist. Others may do that also... it is beautiful and can be examples of teamwork and cultures learning and making life work... just like animals living together and respecting eachother space

[@elnalush2748]

Good evening Penson. Some food for thought. The whole of South Africa, every town, looked like Orania back in 1994. Clean towns, immaculate roads, functioning municipalities and health services, clean water, continuous cheap electricity, excellent schools, universities and police service, very low crime rate, perfect functioning airline and railways..... Hard to understand that it took the present government only 30 years to turn a 1st world country into a Gaza strip lookalike! ........

[@mandisaxaba6789]

Thank you for the info. Would like to visit there sometime in the future.

[@HansCoche]

In 2004 I had black neighbours and I can honestly say, they were great. Never any problems and they kept their environment clean. Both worked and they were honest. Thats all that society expects from anybody.

[@wimoweh1951]

SAFE AND CLEAN is not too much to ask

[@wilmaconradie8382]

I feel they bother nobody, they are proud of the town and rightfully so. Many people can learn from what they have achieved. They have everything to lead a peaceful independent life. Why do certain people want to cause problems and be negative. 🙈🙉🙊🙏🙏🙌🙌

[@daniepelser2684]

Kultuur you pronounced it spot on

[@LollyClarke]

Back in the days our area was clean and safe, now it's filthy and broken, I went to Australia, clean and so safe, what happened to our beautiful SA

[@angiepelser3251]

Australia are ruled by whit, netherland, Holland ruled by white, and run well. Look at every country in AFRICA RULED BY BLACK A TOTAL DUNG HOLE BROKEN POOR CRIME RIDEN CORUPT WARS FIGHTS KILLINGS POVERTY STRIKEN FILLED WITH HATE TOWARDS OTHER RASIS, THE BLACK IS THE BIGEST RASIST, THEY POINT ONE FINGER TO OTHERS AND CALL THEM RASIST YET 3 FINGERS POINT BACK TO THEM, NEED I SAY MORE

[@RianRian-em2ng]

Yes my god is the so soooooo good Amen

[@Scorpion-se4ef]

Oranje is for the Conservative God fearing Afrikaaner, put it simply.

[@debbiefox8675]

excellent talk thank you so much. the OHM party is aiming for this sort of living for all South African people, running our own communities, an no government. we dont need them.

[@flyeagl]

Exactly the idea of One Small Town

[@Rikusm1]

How clean orania is is how clean SA used to be

[@Another_Story_]

The Afrikaneers were the founders of Cape Town and Johannesburg.

[@Rikusm1]

@@Another_Story_ I'm just going to assume that you replied to the wrong comment...😉

[@NerinaRSA]

The biggest lesson from this review is there's life after governments and politicians. Do we need them?

[@Just_A_Guy85]

My thoughts as well! We don’t need any of them. The masses have abandoned their responsibility to lead themselves. We’ve made politicians celebrities and superstars, they offer no value!

[@awaywithword]

The thing is this could be seem as another living social experience experiment. I do believe localized communities with localized agricultural and local government is far better than centralized government. Holding on to our culture is a good thing for foundation of character because it is systemic whatever their narrative. While holding your culture learn diplomacy and build bridges of trade and cultural exchanges.. we must self empower. The current government is making sure the citizenship of this nation becomes heavily dependent on their failing subsystems keeping all in poverty and servitude. It's a shame. However I do believe people are waking up. Viva south africa viva the people. We will unite for common good. Cause we know know what is common bad. Our government is intentionally deciding to devide is . In race and poverty. Down with the anc

[@BobyourUncle]

The worst thing the ANC did after 94 was amalgamate all of our smaller towns into these mega metros. Smaller municipalities run by people who are passionate about their community that get paid a small stipend instead of "professional politicians" who draw massive salaries and contribute less than f-all provide a far better sense of value to those who bankroll the whole show.

[@StaySoft-r6l]

Let Oranje be a lesson to all people. We dont need the anc..we are able and capable on our own. Stop moaning with jealousy and learn something. Most people who say..racist..they are haters

[@KoosSmit-n1j]

Respect Orania

[@TebogoMasinga-hf8cw]

SELF RELIANCE💯💯

[@FlorenceSeptember]

The tribal leaders was and is suppose to do this for their people in the villages

[@noleenpillay6341]

Instead they just collect tax payers money- they get millions every year from government and they spend it on themselves living lavish lives instead of building the villages

[@isrbillmeyer]

So the question is: - How safe did you feel in Orania? - How safe do you feel in the township? - What is the chances of being a victim of violent crime regardless of race in Orania compared to in a township?

[@unathimichaelmxaku8105]

Who created townships for what reason we need to start there.

[@isrbillmeyer]

@@unathimichaelmxaku8105 Right.... so deflecting I see. Ok - let me rephrase then... I used to stay in Sunnyside in the early 1990's. It was very safe. How safe is it now compared to thirty years ago? Or... Schubart Park flats in the mid city of Pretoria. Was great, swimming pool, shops, clinic etc. Basically majority white in the 1990's. How about now? Oh wait - it is so derelict even the window frames has been ripped out of the building, just the skeleton of the building remains. Or the Police barracks that I used to stay in the mid-city (HG De Witt it was called). Very nice back then. Oh - now it is also totally derelict. Also even the window frames has been ripped out of the building. How about the SAPS HQ - Telkom Towers - bought in 2015? Oh... not safe for occupation anymore. OR how about some farms - like Letsitele Valley Citrus farms (I grew up in Letsitele / Tzaneen area). Or Sapekoe tea plantation. Or Zebedelia citrus farm. All "redistributed" with massive assistance (paid by taxpayers of course). Back to you.

[@unathimichaelmxaku8105]

@@isrbillmeyerWhat was group ares act.?

[@isrbillmeyer]

@@unathimichaelmxaku8105 Seems like it was laws that prevented things like what I listed in previous post.... You can whine all day long. What is clear is - there is Orania, Kleinfontein and some other similar coop's and initiatives. And there are the many many many examples of areas taken over, expropriated, given Billions of taxpayers money - and they are destroyed. All in the past thirty years. It was not Van Riebeeck who destroyed the places I listed. It was not Verwoerd. It was not me. I know and you know who did it. The absurd attempt to drag in the group areas act is not going to make your case. All it proves is that without trying to blame someone else you have nothing. Niks. fo-kol.

[@jvdm9317]

@@unathimichaelmxaku8105 Group areas act? WTH are you talking about? It was a public part of the City.

[@windowshoppa09]

😊that is what following Christ is supposed to be like. God madecall and loves all. We are supposed to be like Him.

[@rekkabcleaningandlaundroma3580]

The ANC and EFF can now see who is the most competent, skilled, capable and qualified in this country.

[@Rikusm1]

Nice video man

[@wot4922]

The sad thing on our Country is that people are lazy, dirty and have an inability to be self-sufficient. They'd rather sit, do nothing and collect grants.

[@jacobusbasson3512]

Youre a great guy

[@majasa932]

I loved this entire interview , it was fair and clean. I admire what the community of Orania has achieved through determination and hard work. However, being an evangelical Christian I cannot agree with the view thatvother race groups or even white people are being excluded from that community. God created man after his own image, that is a spiritual metaphor, not a physical. Amongst true Christians there are neither cultural nor racial barriers

[@RianRian-em2ng]

Spot on my man

[@annatjierobinson6856]

Some people are so yelious of Oranje. Rather learn from them. The anc took SA and look what they did with it. 😂😂😂

[@FRANCOISPOOLMAN]

The TRUTH! WILL SET YOU APART!! GOD BLESS! BLACK BROTHERS and SISTERS!!❤🎉❤❤🎉❤🎉❤🎉🎉

[@Darren_Phillips]

Good video

[@pensonmlotshwa]

Thank you Darren!

[@paulkruger3070]

If people want to be on their own, live in their own bubble, support themselves and not depend on others who are we to critisize. What a lot of good the ANC did for SA, lol. Everything the ANC touches turns to sh*t. I respect the people in Orania, what they're doing is beautiful. Why don't blacks try doing the same and prove that they're capable... I'll wait, lol.

[@Just_A_Guy85]

The reality is that most black people don’t want to work together, I have lived experience as a black man. There’s nothing I want more than to live in peace on my own piece of land and not be bothered by corrupt politicians and criminals. This country is run by criminals, that’s why ordinary law abiding citizens are so scared of even defending themselves when attacked in their own homes. A majority of the population is more interested in “someone else” making things happen.

[@MamokobaZulu]

Atleast there are no drug dealers there,no human trafficking, no crime , no illegal foreigners, thanx to Orania municipal

[@micheyp1]

Well done you for a detailed report back So much better than Ade Adepitan's report Penuel should go have a talk with him to see what the real beef was

[@danielbrink9475]

They Have Built One Of the Most Advanced Water purification systems that i have ever seen, that turns Sewerage Into Drinking Water , I have Been a Engineer For the last 20 Years , the Only Other such Systems i have seen In the World are In Dubai And sheng hai.

[@bngmnh3583]

...they built Orania from scratch, do the same in your area & leave other people alone

[@lukasvr5088]

I see several skeptical comments but thank you for giving a balanced view. Of course, you will not agree with everything they do, neither would Oh, nothing wrong with your shirt!!

[@mankaner]

goeie video. dankie meneer. ons kort meer mense soos jy wat die regte mindset het. nie alles hoef te gaan oor rasisme nie en ons almal op die ou eind is suid afrikaners, of jy nou wit, pienk, bruin, swart of geel is.

[@lizelsteyn2884]

Take this example and pay it forward

[@pswanepoel77]

Well said

[@makhosinidube7950]

Comparing Orania and the rest of South Africa is insane.

[@lindajansevanrensburg5767]

AMEN EN AMEN 🙏 🙌 👏 ❤️

[@wernerswardt7512]

Your absolute objective view of Orania surprised me, but thank you for it. This country don't need people like Malema who just want to divide us but we need more openminded people

[@Swiftkeyprotexter]

I'm not gonna lie, you articulate the story in a funny way and it's true aswell 😂

[@RianRian-em2ng]

Good good my man

[@truthandjustice6838]

A white British couple that bought there had their right to stay there revoked as they insisted on being served in English.

[@MozzieWest]

Dankie Penson❤

[@fransmurati2370]

It is the same concept as for example Dingaans Zulu kraal that was for Zulus in they're own culture enviroment or any other Tribe as it was in the old days.

[@Starsky1413]

Douglas I’m a South African and I really hope you’ll get into politics and behind UK president You’re a fantastic human Go for it man

[@dn822]

Its about protecting the culture and language. Im white Afrikaans and it will be nice if Oranja can find a way to let anyone that wants to speak Afrikaans and embrace the culture to go live there. I believe there are coloured people and even black poeple that would fit in there and embrace it.

[@MmetxaRuth-sp7km]

As a Zulu descent I honestly feel that Afrikaaners have the right to self determination and everyone should embrace them as fellow Africans just like any other tribes are being embraced. it is clear now that it was the British who started this mess regardless we all have bad histories no tribe is innocent, Zulus to say we did our fair share of atrocities but no one judges us as having evil intentions yes the stigmas are still there but slowly fading away. If Afrikaaners wants their own space as long as it comes from good intentions personally I embrace it.

[@kobusyssel2840]

​@@MmetxaRuth-sp7kmYour comment has literally made my day. You are so right. Politics have messed up this country. Not the citizens. Be blessed

[@MmetxaRuth-sp7km]

​@@kobusyssel2840average south Africans are peaceful, it's just that our ideology is Nationalistic/tribalist orientated instead of humanity oriented, if people viewed humanity more important than national identity or tribal nothing would justify wars and invasion. Nature is diverse.a rose comes in different colours yet they are all beautiful, how is that we can't view humanity in the same lens. We need to truly realise who benefits from hate across the world.

[@inavogel626]

Why? That would be denying them their freedom. All those people you mention don't share the history and the culture of those people.

[@dn822]

@@inavogel626 WANT Mens moet bietjie verder dink. Hulle gaan alles verloor. Daai plek gaan toe gemaak word. ...daars niks verkeerd maar dis nie ek of jy wat gaan besluit ...en raai wat..ons doen onself alweer meet kwaad as goed

[@armandslabbert5493]

My family is from Kuruman, straight up desert. We had a few reunions, I enjoyed being with family, but, would I want to live in the desert (kalahari at that) hell no. These guys bought arguably some of the least appealing real estate in the country. If Orania was in Natal or eastern cape, they would be catching real hate, imagine how the place would look. Regardless. I know I wouldn't be accepted there even though I am Afrikaans. I probably don't meet their "Tannie" manner standards. And I'm definitely not 'enough' of a Christian, and believe me; they can smell it. Combining what I've said, Orania reminds me of my family reunions just by the sound of it, Afrikaans people living together, and kakking each other out whenever someone does something like not clean their dishes. Edit:nice touch making Orania orange in the thumbnail, I personally hate orange, I don't get why the dutch were always so obsessed with that horrid colour

[@BrettStealth]

Orange became the colour of Huguenot Protestantism

[@luciasuter4142]

It’s sound like Bophuthatswana . Back in the day.

[@SerroBourne]

South Africa is not divided along racial or economic lines it is divided along cultural lines

[@johnellis5865]

It seems like Orania is a good model for other groups in South Africa to form similar communities - not too large ~ 3,000 like Orania where everyone knows their neighbors, looks out for each other and doesn't have problems with outsiders coming in to do crime. As for the "Haves vs the Have nots" - it's all relative and in comparison. Look at places like Gaza or the worst slums in Liberia - those are really "have nots" - thus there is huge migrations, illegal and legal immigration to more 1st world countries like those in Europe, UK or South Africa back in the day or to wealthier suburbs of South Africa. This concept of making everyone "Equal" - well that leads to horrors like Cambodian Communism - the Killing fields or the Hutu slaughtering over 500,000 Tutsis in Rwanda who "had more things", were taller than the short Hutus.

[@theresagosling1530]

EVERY TOWN IN SOUTH AFRICA USED TO BE THAT CLEAN.

[@philizeed8938]

@@expose_massive_banking_crime but BEE and tenders came along and ruined everything!