Destiny 2 Lore - Mysteries of the Vault of Glass! The three Vault visions & The Prophecy of Doom!

[@lightningstrike9876]

What's interesting to me is that the first vision involves an Eliksni inspecting a Ghost during the time of their own Golden Age. This seems to suggest the Ghost itself time traveled, as all the ghosts were only created during the collapse of the human golden age when the Traveler was weakened fending off the Darkness.

[@Malaphor2501]

I always wondered if the Eliksni didn't have their own ghosts, and they lost them all when the Traveler left them and Riis fell. I know the lore says they were created for humanity during humanities collapse, but what if it did something similar for the Eliksni, and it's not in the lore (yet)?

[@Purpletrident]

@@Malaphor2501 They were created when the Traveler was dying, so they definitely didn't exist back then.

[@lucent5209]

@@Malaphor2501your idea sounds good ( at least for me ), because, I'm not sure if it's in any lore book, mentioned how does the traveler gives or help with the advance of technology of the species it visited, the traveler may have given the eliksni something similar. And the fact that we still don't know how he acts or creates things. Remember that apart from creating the ghosts, that are something like drones, he also brings life to any place, like io or mercury. But sadly, for the eliksni it looks like the traveler didn't helped them, specially if we think that, if the eliksni had ghosts, eramis would have mentioned it, since she was in the fall of riis and when the traveler was with them. (I'm sorry, I don't speak english, I hope my commentary is understandable and readable )

[@cosmic-creep1384]

@@lucent5209 the ghost were literally made during the travelers weakend state which has been stated, aka the eliksni didn't have em. And idk why you're calling it a he 😂. it's a paracausal machine and nothing in the lore has given us anything to determine it's gendered. You already said you aren't sure if it's in a lore book so why speculate instead of seeing for yourself or finding a vid on the lore channel you're commenting on lmao

[@ghost_rouge]

@@cosmic-creep1384 the traveller is gendered. She has been named under femenine pronouns quite a few times.

[@bobisconsumed520]

Theory: Kabir's fireteam succumbed to the Vault because his LFGs couldn't shoot the Oracles

[@Penguinman2.0]

Probably

[@euruskreacatoa2370]

@@Penguinman2.0 definitely

[@sabre6464]

How did you know

[@dogsoldier123]

And he tried to 3 man it

[@DragonKnight90001]

Didn’t realise they have to be killed in order now

[@riskrunner4532]

Atheon when returning: "aw shit here we go again"

[@alsodharga_679]

"How many times do we have to teach you this lesson, Old Man!?!" -Guardians, Probably

[@quandale_dingle6353]

@@alsodharga_679 hes like me everytime you think hes done he always comes back with something new

[@dustydan4961]

@@quandale_dingle6353 did bungie give you a good telling off after the whole acceleration mod incident this season? And how many times have Bungie told you off?

[@hammer9856]

Atheon, welcome to groundhog day... That's what you get for messing with time lines... a bunch of p*ssed off guardians looking for blood... or in this case Vex mind fluid to spill.

[@js5869]

Atheon: you guys again! You know what just forget it. I know how this goes. *jumps off the platform*

[@LovesickLegend]

There's a lot of stuff that's been revolving around Sloane lately, especially with her death. Love how the crown splitter we got the season is actually hers. I will love probably to talk about that

[@danconti5984]

Atheon coming out into a timeline with warmind cells, Thundercrash titans, and anarchy with guardians who glow like neon signs: What the time traveling fuck did I just walk into?

[@notLura]

Classic Oracle joke

[@DavidWilliams-nu3en]

@PlasmaCubeX 😂😂😂😂 clearly

[@DragonKnight90001]

Either way its going to be a smashing fight get it..... cause glass........... its smashes........ no ok i’ll leave now

[@miistisadumback2783]

And hunters with fish pants and warlocks that shoot giant laser beams

[@jopabr24]

The second vision seems like a clear reference to a time around the Exodus. A massive crashed starship being defended by exos from a wave of Vex attackers on an unfamiliar world. Sounds like it could be any number of Exodus ships, but specifically the Exodus Black.

[@TL-ou9kj]

I don't know, could it be a vision of some of the exos as they went through clovis' portal, into a vex simulation on the forge world?

[@thesecretsage6642]

@@TL-ou9kj You mean the portal That's connected to Volantis The vex homeworld

[@saturn6784]

@@thesecretsage6642 Volantis isn't the Vex home-world, as iirc the Unveiling lorebook says they were born in comets. Volantis is a forge, a frame-factory

[@thesecretsage6642]

@@saturn6784 2082 Volantis, also known as the Forge Star, is a blue hypergiant star system colonized by the Vex. The system appears to lack planets, which may have been dismantled to build the array of orbiting Vex "statite" megastructures that are involved with prolonging the star's lifespan and harvesting the heavy elements formed in its heart. The system was explored by Clovis Bray I, who had stolen a Vex from the Ishtar Collective and traversed a gate it constructed on Europa that led to the system, under the instructions of Clarity Control. There the researchers on his expedition determined that the stone on one of the megastructures was 13 billion years old, yet the star itself should not have been able to last this long, only to realize that the Vex had been artificially keeping it alive. It was here that Clovis Bray collected the Vex Radiolaria samples he would eventually use to create the "Alkahest" needed to successfully create Exos.

[@TL-ou9kj]

@@thesecretsage6642 yes, sorry forgot its name

[@Chikakko]

Oh give us sweet Vault of Glass lore, GRANT US EYES LORE DADDY

[@kitchensynch624]

Oh the sweet lore, it sings to me. It’s enough to make a man based, o’ bearer mine.

[@Awoken_Remmuz]

More eyes on the inside!

[@robert2german]

Wasn’t expecting a Bloodborne reference here, but I won’t complain.... O Poster mine....

[@VallornDeathblade]

I wish Taniks would grant me Eyes...

[@craftyarts7431]

Fear the old blood

[@joshuasmith6909]

Pretty positive the Exo v Vex war is Europa. Lest we forget, a Golden Age ship was crashed in the lore tabs, right before they decide to go to war and reclaim the teleporter.

[@jopabr24]

Where? Which lore tab?

[@sabre013]

It’s tied to the lore of Lament, but the specific cards being the recovered exo memories.

[@jopabr24]

@@sabre013 Yes, there is a mention of ships in that lore book, but that lore book also makes it clear that the Exos didn't fight the Vex on their way to the ship -- the ship was completely destroyed by the Clovis AI. The Exos actually fought their battle against the Vex mostly underground, on their way to the Vex Gate.

[@surprizeforyou]

I wish the armor and weapons had lore this time around. Such a shame with the lore being so vast and odd. Speak to me, O Chronicler Mine.

[@elitegamer9310]

Maybe they'll add them in at a later date. They did it with last season's Nightfall weapons.

[@tylerflint8989]

@@elitegamer9310 we can hope

[@johnsaints969]

@@elitegamer9310 Would be interesting if they did it after the Season 14's story reach a certain point, seems to be going places.

[@thesecretsage6642]

What about the Armor ornaments? TELL ME

[@void-9572]

I recognize that phrasing. What's your play?

[@V1rusFPS]

Once destiny is up, I don't think I will ever consume video games the same ever again. This stuff really does mean a lot to me. I've been playing it since early high school, and I'll continue playing it through to the end of college. Love you, Bungie

[@riatsila144]

"Once again the ghost sees nothing but an empty starfield--but wait, floating by is a small structure, roughly two meters tall by one meter square, possibly left behind by one of the ships before jumping? That can't be right, it looks like it would hold some value to the Guardians, as about two-thirds of it is a stone pedestal, and at the top is an interwoven statue of the three animals on Guardian heraldry. The ghost wonders why would someone just abandon this?"

[@jackowisp]

Maybe if it’s “a sigil of Golden Age Earth” it could just mean it comes from there. However, since they capitalize the words, it implies something more. If it is the former, it could be a sigil of Clovis bray.

[@DragonKnight90001]

I was thinking more or the united nations symbol...... something like that. Not actually like it but you get what i mean though destinys golden age version

[@quandale_dingle6353]

The vault of glass has got to be the second most effective way to bend spacetime

[@shadowofsunderedstar679]

Read this in the preview wondering what the first was and then I clicked and saw your name

[@thunderlord6250]

U mean the best way to waste my time

[@doctorwhoinfinite]

@@thunderlord6250 eh, semantics lol

[@nobodie9996]

Best comment here

[@A1Strider]

The first way being space magic

[@vincentmarcella9712]

I love the "Eye of a Gate Lord" music, good choice

[@Knight_Raider27]

finds radiolaria “My name’s Kabr and welcome to jackass” Edit: Damn you Mephistopheles 😂

[@Penguinman2.0]

I audibly laughed at this

[@riskrunner4532]

Riskrunner users: "UNLIMITED POWER"

[@Knight_Raider27]

@@riskrunner4532 They say the risk runner is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.

[@Knight_Raider27]

@@__The_Real_V__ I edited one mistake already.... please no

[@sabre6464]

Lmao

[@Samantha_Says]

As a PC player, I was very disappointed that VoG in D2 didn't actually give that much story or explanations, so I appreciate this video

[@wildzhalo3262]

Ok there needs to be descendant ornament for vex mythoclast, I like the chrome one but I wanna see a descendant ornament of one

[@RMLK]

Oh daddy giving us our daily dose of lore, my brain is ready.

[@somarreivax7629]

Daddy🤨?!? The fuck...

[@CrookieMonsterr]

@@somarreivax7629 Lore Daddy*

[@drewbolton8286]

Indeed

[@jonpapi_2247]

@@somarreivax7629 Yea Idk y they steady say daddy like its not weird but whatever 😂🤷

[@drewbolton8286]

@@somarreivax7629 DO NOT SUGGEST BYF IS ANYTHING LESS THAN THE MOST REFINED SPECIMEN OF A HUMAN BIENG, LET ALONE A MAN, THE UNIVERSE IS EVER SLATED TO BEAR WITNESS TO. HE IS GOD INCARNATE, THE DEMIURGE OF SCHOLARLY WARLOCKS AND INQUISITIVE HUNTERS ALIKE. THE MAN IS NO MAN BY MERE MORTAL MEASURES, HE IS AS CLOSE AS ONE COULD PRAY TO ALL BEINGS OF RELIGION, LEGEND, MYTH, FOLKLORE OR YOUR OWN IMAGINATION TO BE THE FINEST EXAMPLE OF EVOLUTIONARY DEVELOPMENT AND YOU WILL NOT SLANDER OUR MESSIAH. Yeah, "lore daddy" is a exceedingly popular endearing term for Byf, used by his fanbase and I like to think his significant other does too for comedic effect.

[@meanerminnermina7333]

I got 93/100 for English in my final year of school and deep inside my mind I know it's because I tried to emulate the authoring style I witnessed in destiny and its lore. So thank you Byf for making that masterful storytelling accessible.

[@kamanira]

"Others bear symbols never seen in the tower to date." We just got the first of the banners. The House of Light. More will come.

[@embr4247]

i just realized thet the computational power of the wex could be caused by each radioloria acting as a transistor. so they are like a computer prosessor with more transistors than humanity has posessed in out entire excistence so far.

[@jorgenjorgensen2739]

Basically imagine if every genius in human history had their brains linked and with the speed of a supercomputer the size of planetary systems... through multiple timelines. It's OP af.

[@GhostRydr1172]

Maybe the emblem of old Earth is simply the CB initials on that destroyed ship. Possibly the same ship full of Exos evil Clovis AI blew up.

[@Xenronnify]

I remember reading these when I first got them, waaay back in Taken King. They were, in part, the reason I found your lovely voice and productions! It was the first time I'd really looked at the Grimoire as something other than a checklist.

[@benwiersma395]

The wording of “a sigil of Golden Age Earth” leads me to believe it was *a* symbol from the Golden Age, but not necessarily *the* symbol representing Earth during the Golden Age (whatever that would even be). I reckon it was something like the POBA symbol, a sigil from the Golden Age

[@mozeytown]

I'm thinking more likely the Clovis Bray symbol, considering the only non-Vex creatures the Ghost can see are exos.

[@dear7782]

At 12:30 I feel it’s interesting that they say “though fewer examples can be seen.” When referring to Future War Cult and New Monarchy as this could relate to the story latter this season.

[@saladmancer4802]

Interestingly enough, when Lightfall comes out it'll leave another dlc or two before the 10th year of Destiny. I think Lightfall will have the Traveler either die or flee, but unlike the dark future lore something different will happen that results in both the Traveler and the Pyramids losing at their own game.

[@dinklberg3065]

That would be interesting

[@morganpriest7726]

Some sort of force of gray? Neither inherently good nor evil?

[@saladmancer4802]

@@morganpriest7726 not quite, the Traveler and Pyramids aren't inherently good or evil, more of a force that is a union of the two, equilibrium.

[@cozysundew33]

Bungie could pull a flood or we will finally realize both sides are evil and we split off from both groups as the Gray and proceed in making both sides lose without killing them (cause we’d have to kill them both at the same time) could even get a new set of Balance Powers which are a fusion of our light & darkness. After all we are the one factor none could predict why cause a certain someone named Elsie Bray

[@JCLavish]

Lightfall will be year 9. I remember seeing in a twab that Bungie still has a Post-Lightfall DLC planned, but they don't want to reveal to us what it entails yet. I think they may have used the word epilogue?

[@beninmalgaard9836]

Nothing fascinates me more in Destiny than the Vault of Glass lore and anything connected to it.

[@TheDemonfromhell96]

I think you've forgotton that the exo's were trying to leave Europa on ships but Clovis of course wouldn't let that happen, at least for his daughter.

[@TL-ou9kj]

Hence the destroyed ship?

[@TheDemonfromhell96]

@@TL-ou9kj Yup, don't remember if it was just her ship or all the ships the other groups of exos were escaping on, but yup.

[@Ceraphid]

I love how vog is essentially a lot of quantum physics inspired mechanics, almost makes you wonder if time's vengeance is a paradox atheon created backlashing on him

[@Rivenisthebestdragon]

Completed VoG for the first time last sunday since I never played d1. I enjoyed VoG it's interesting and fun. Had a great time learning it.

[@possum8220]

That last card literally keeps me up at night.

[@kanetaylor8330]

I need to say this because I’ve been living with this story for years now and I want someone else to hear it. When destiny 1 first launched, my first exotic armor was the helm of Saint 14. Feeling some sort of connection with the helm, I named my exo titan Saint 15, thinking I was the 15th Saint. After a bit, I began to learn the lore, learning that the number after an exos name is the amount of wipes they’ve been through. And that Saint died in the cosmodrome, exactly where I woke up. In my head canon, I accepted that I was just Saint 14 revived. Years later, with the help of the infinite forest, I traveled into the future. On a quest to receive a legendary shotgun. When I finally arrived to the grave of the guardian who wielded said shotgun, I was shocked to see that my exo’s face was the same as the dead guardian lying peacefully amongst the dead vex. Realizing that I had just seen my own grave. Even later, through a vex time paradox, Saint 14 emerged. I did not play this season, so when I returned I was shocked to see him standing in the tower. Most guardians after that season left with the experience of having visited their own grave in the future, which I had already done. I had the fortune from their strength, to look at myself and see a total stranger. Unaware of the second life he’s living.

[@garyhatfield88]

@My name is Byf Just want to start with, I love your work. Don't feel pressured to do shorts to accommodate those with short attention spans or whatever. You tell the stories the way I kinda always wished Bungie would have. Do you man! You're killing it as is.

[@LordPandaLad]

Shorts are good for those like “Did you know?” Lore snippets of Destiny. It would be hard to make a large topic so short even through multiple shorts it wouldn’t bear the same affect as a full in-depth video.

[@smokeyson]

Does anyone else gets chills listening to this lore?!

[@gaeren]

Sidenote regarding the ship's prow: In vanilla D1 concept art from the roadmap, there was an artist's concept of a Europa glacier, that had an earth sea vessel, a supertanker, encased in ice and split in half when the glacirer split. Could this possibly be the "crashed ship". It's reaching I know - just a consideration to think about. Great vid, byf!

[@darkdruid2590]

I’d love to see some shorts, especially breaking down some of the lesser lore of armor pieces or their descriptions

[@cyd_hunter99]

KZbin Shorts would be great! Quick factoids or short entries related to recent updates or content would be a good plan.

[@thepedestrian9856]

So like what did Deep Stone Crypt teach us? That it’s easier than we thought for Fallen to achieve Godhood. And same with Spire of Stars? Did it teach us that the Red Legion never give up like ever?

[@dsgowo]

DSC was the catalyst for all our discoveries about Clovis Bray and the Darkness, and there is a *ton* of lore there

[@nomad_specter]

I never got past confluxes in D1. Never had a had a clan and people weren’t that kind back then so I’m really glad they brought it back. Got my first clear last week and couldn’t be happier.

[@Sedward135]

That second vision could be seen now as the exo landing on Neptune

[@tylerkelchen5872]

I still believe there were 6 guardians in thwt first fireteam and 3 got erased by the gorgons

[@tylerkelchen5872]

@@aimlessjames8939 predith (can't remember spelling) made it down there, that's where we find his skeleton

[@mikethehunter5212]

@@tylerkelchen5872 *Praedyth*

[@inquisitorbenediktanders3142]

Thx for this it's great to find out lore about this weird thing. NOBODY EXPECTS THE INQUISITION!!!

[@KingCarta]

I think that KZbin Shorts would be a really interesting format for you. I like the idea of truncating a items lore in a quick video for people to digest. Then you could create a playlist that links the related lore tabs.

[@beast0339]

I'm really glad that I could do this raid, I was really poor back when VoG was the new thing, so I couldn't play online to do it. I really enjoyed doing the puzzles in this one, and killing Atheon the funny way by tethering him to some supplicants was really quite enjoyable to pull off :p

[@rootbeerguy690]

Something interesting I want to see in a future video is what Savathûn's potential plan is and how she's using Lakshmi to sow chaos in the Last City with Quria at the helm. First off, where's Savathûn directly involved? In the lore tab for The Deicide, Aunor sends a message to Ikora detailing a set of manipulated binary code that's being sent through various FWC networks and beyond, code that turns out to be Savathûn's Song. Meanwhile Quria is undeniably in the Vex Network and has access to the resources within, as does Savathûn by extension. They have powerful tools at their disposal, ones they actually might have had for longer than we thought. As for Lakshmi's part in this, there's a few pieces of lore here. There's this week's page of the Beneath The Endless Night lore book, called "Conspirators", which talks about a private conversation between the 3 prominent faction leaders, Arach Jalaal, Executor Hideo, and obviously Lakshmi-2, from Jalaal's perspective, suggesting they should try and get someone new into power within the Vanguard and Consensus, with the current person of interest being Saint-14, and Lakshmi states the FWC has someone on the inside in order to "ensure an orderly transfer of power". Jalaal's tempted by the potential power he could hold, heavily implying the other two leaders, more notably Lakshmi, wish for the same. Then, there's two FWC weapons, the Stochastic Variable and the Pleiades Corrector. The Stochastic Variable's lore tab is very similar to the lore tab of the Far Future from last season, listing several timelines and futures, the last future stating ": the Botza District : a crackling portal : Fallen flee : FWC banners : Zavala is gone : Mithrax on trial : Lakshmi-2 looks over the crowd -" with the end of the tab, right after the last future, stating "Lakshmi-2 : Head of state : Exo : prophet : savior". In fact, "prophet" was also present in the Far Future's lore tab, referring to Ixel, the Far-Reaching, although it was also present in the beginning of the Far Future's tab. As for the Pleiades Corrector, its lore tab is a report from the FWC's Head of Research and Development, the Endless Night possessing an electromagnetic field that rewrites any scans they make and is sending the scans through the FWC's systems by disguising it as collected data, subsequently shutting down vital systems in the process, as well as suggesting the "Night" part of the Endless Night is psychological warfare. With those tabs in mind, we can create a sort of order: Lakshmi-2 has a desire for power under the belief that the Vanguard has been ineffective ever since the Speaker's death thanks to "Conspirators", the Stochastic Variable's lore tab states the device used to view various futures suggests that Lakshmi will become head of state and will be seen as a prophet and a savior following a specific set of criteria, but it's suggested that future is potentially false thanks to the Pleiades Corrector, as the Endless Night is rewriting FWC data, potentially including the futures seen in the Stochastic Variable's lore tab. If this is the case, the fact that the Stochastic Variable's tab matches the Far Future's tab in terms of format suggests that Quria and subsequently Savathûn are the ones responsible for the Psion Conclave's attempts to assassinate Zavala by manipulating the data Ixel found within the Vex Network, with the Endless potentially being a backup plan after the assassination attempts failed. Either way, Savathûn seems to have been a bigger influence in this year's seasonal story than we initially thought, if this happens to be right that is. Side note: It's possible that the Festering Core strike that came out in Year 3, which involved the Taken, led by a Herald of Savathûn, attacking a Vex data core, could've been when Quria got inside the Vex Network itself, meaning Savathûn's had its power for over a year and is using it now, taking advantage of the opportunity.

[@AverageOrangeJoe]

I thought about this theory back in D1. What if Kabr's fireteam had more guardians in it originally. However they fell victim to the rituals of the Vex and were removed from existence. There's no way to prove it because, well, they never existed. Would give reason to the construction of Super Good Advice.

[@Xenronnify]

also ABSOLUTELY I'm on-board for YT Shorts from Byf.

[@unabalazura]

The second vision might as well be the exos that went to the vex homeworld in a massive attack but it's never spoke about cause it was a failure for Clovis

[@mr.marvel514]

Regarding the last vision from the Vault, I strongly believe that The Darkness will not win in the end and nor will The Traveler leave us because if that was the case, why would it defend us from The Darkness not once, but twice? I personally believe that in Lightfall, The Traveler's light will be suppressed much like it was during the Red War and Restricted Zones, but worse, and we'll have to rely on our Darkness subclasses to help The Traveler break out of the clutches of The Darkness. That's just my opinion of how Lightfall will play out tho.😁

[@treyden]

Definitely start doing Shorts!!! It'll expose you to a whole new audience that might fall in love with Destiny!!

[@cheesushcrust4545]

I'm fairly certain the second vision is referring to the Europa vex war. I think the crashed ship is the escape craft that Clovis shoots down to prevent people from leaving.

[@IndoCalrissian]

I think the Clovis Bray symbol could also be the golden age sigil. That or Exodus program, but idk how those two line uo timeline wise. If Bray was making Exos before the exodus program, could be there's an ship out there full of exos.

[@alphtheor.879]

I want a single player destiny game where we get to play as famous characters in famous battles such as six fronts, twilight gap, the great disaster, eris mourn and her fire team fighting crota, the first team's fight into the vault, it could be called Destiny Legends of the past, maybe we could even play as some warlords or iron lords.

[@amadpeasant7783]

I would assume that the crashed ship in the second ghost fragment was from the evac ship Clovis AI shot down to prevent Elsie and the other Exo leaving.

[@DragonKnight90001]

*meanwhile in the vault* Praedyth: ........... are they here? Ok HIT IT!!!!! *plays i need a hero with Praedyth singing the lyrics*

[@devonhickman3428]

With Dead orbit already planning to leave and future war cult seemingly falling to pieces i believe the times are different and that we wont flee to the stars like the Fallen before us and so hopefully just hopefully this time we and the Brays can fix things cause as we all know Guardians make their own Fate

[@Techhunter_Talon]

I think a variation of that last entry may occur. Especially considering knowledge of some leaks that we'll have to wait to see if they end up being true or not.

[@shahanbaha3818]

When I read the vision 2 lore card I immediately thought of Europa and the vex gate in the glassway, not sure if it lines up in the lore

[@noahw1299]

We keep Kabyr's memory alive by never letting him live down drinking Vex milk

[@Kodak_Sak]

The last vision may have been all the factions fleeing the city after the failed coup of the vangaurd .

[@serialdreamer1162]

"I'll see you starside." After that last exodus story, i uh hope not?

[@Patrick_Archibald]

with how much time travel and future prophecies have been involved in the lore while now, I personally can't imagine a way the series ends in that dark of a way. I feel like what's more likely is the Lightfall story will either be a large scale event resulting from the Witch Queen story will lead to many guardians falling, either dying or turning to the darkness, and the traveler being weakened or some other similarly major crisis that turns into humanity being on the verge of the worst threat it's faced since the collapse. This could result in a time crunch in the last season of the year where we're having to go through different futures to find a way to stop whatever event it is which given how Bungie has proven a willingness to take the dark unexpected route could be believable that we'd still fail

[@isaaccastromayor7981]

The „ro6a“ around the Cosmodrome is actually „RFBA“ and it does in fact stand for the Russian aeronautics institute/division

[@cooperblackburn4267]

Chills just chills

[@zacharyhowell3962]

Byf is lore master, you do shorts we'll watch them big guy.

[@zellcaraway9262]

Man. I've watched a handful of these lore videos, and I love the lore and the game, but it brings me sadness. I miss it. I miss all the raiding parties, the friends I had, and the memories I made. VOG in D1 was a raid that first got me into really playing with other people, so I was always playing single player until then, even for endgame content. I soloed nightfalls because that's all I had for help. Once I had people to play with, it just became a challenge I'd do for fun. Solo night falls, raids with too few people, things like that. I've since lost touch with old raiding buddies. It's hard to make new friends like that, or connect with old ones because everyone is so busy, including me now too. I wish I could get back into D2, but I dropped it before the garden raid came out. I don't even know how many DLC's behind i am. All I know is that I miss this game, this community, and the memories I made.

[@exren9830]

I think the defining thing in the second story that would indicate it isn’t Europa was the fact that this major Exo-Vex War seemed to have the Exos organized and on the defensive. From what I remember, the large-scale conflict of the European war was almost entirely the Exos continually assaulting the Vex to reach the Glassway

[@gabetasse7232]

Im not as big a lore buff as many but this idea has been stuck in my head since vog re launched. The oracles and specifically the C Lydian scale they use are written and woven throughout the games music and its lore. It’s as if the notes of these scales represent fundamental aspects of the word of destiny. Corners of existence such as time and space, but they represent themselves in musical notes. Many soundtracks seem fond of this particular scale and there’s enough lore that delicately dances around this subject almost winking to us that something is here from what I’ve been able to find. I’m certainly not the first to come to similar conclusions around the music of the game but back to the oracles for a minute. I find it interesting that they have that particular scale almost certainly for some intentional reason. They also always play a “song” consisting of an order of these notes and they’re able to manipulate time itself. It seems to me like these notes correspond to some fundamental universal force and by playing them in a desired order, you may dictate you’re desired reality within the timelines to come forth and this is how the oracles work. By breaking the song you stop the reality. Osiris seems to know more about this... Feel free to let me know if I’m just way off and they’ve already explained it but I don’t think there’s anything yet on how the oracles actually mechanically work and what the deal is with the notes.

[@henrynunez7872]

And this is why I find the lore that expresses the Vex’s full and true power of reality better than any that express the other race’s powers. The Vex see all and know all, they will know more about anything than any living sentient race that can reach the stars.

[@Antare5]

Always here for your content as long as you enjoy making it, Byf. If you're excited to do youtube shorts then I'm sure they'll be good

[@Soldeathscythe]

Byf if you so shorts I will happily watch them

[@cyd_hunter99]

Been waiting for this, nice

[@chakatsnowfire888]

oky that last bit gave me chill's thinking that we lose the last city and that The Traveler leaves and we have to leave earth kind of makes me think of the movie Titan AE

[@QuestGiver]

"heh, hold my ***hiccups*** 'ka-beer'"

[@LooseDeuce]

My theory is, Exo defectors were trying to escape Europa in massive Ships, Clovis, being the madman he is, activated the Glassway to stop them. Some escape but most got taken down. Massive ground battle ensues.

[@idkwhatcoolnametouse8987]

Regarding the 2nd card, and as reference to the Kraken Mare lorebook, this could possibly be a battle between Exos that were affiliated with the North American Empire and the Vex, but it's really anyone's guess, since it's pretty clear now that the Exo program was a success, to the point that an entity such as the NorthAm Empire was able to procure what can pretty much be an army of them.

[@thekodawolfgaming]

Honestly can we petition Bungie to add an NPC to read lore and stories, such as depictions of raid groups from streams or from old D1 vids to add some more seasoning to the Tower, and if they were to choose a KZbin personality to fill the role of that character I can see no one else other than Byf

[@patrickbo2045]

Beautiful raid and I do enjoy it SOOO much. Thanks Bungie for that experience! Now all I need is a mythoclast and a good machine gun :P

[@captainspice1239]

I feel as if these timelines can be possible. But those timelines didn't have one factor. Us. Not us as an entity but us as a guardian. The other uses corrupted yet we didn't we stayed on that fine line and if Sagira and the Exo Stranger are correct, we may be that stray variable needed to break that cycle.

[@mattylewin1684]

that would be amazing if you do youtube shorts. i think it would be interesting enough to watch as well. as far as the far off future goes for the tower and everyone in it, i can only say we should be prepared for whats coming if it comes to our home planet being abandoned as the traveler would abandon us....lets hope that doesn't happen. although it does seem that it is turning out that way with some of the things happening in the world of destiny. i would say let come as it may and ride the wave til the end....ship weapons and our ghosts in tow.

[@lincolngreennowjurassicgre5074]

The darkness will become the hunted, every titan every warlock...every hunter! We will take these ships by storm!

[@DuoDoUrden]

If you do shorts. You definitely need to cosplay as your warlock reading from a tome of some sort.

[@firstcurse5891]

I tried Vog first day and I found out damn near every encounter right away but my raid team wanted to believe everything wasn't changed so it took us 4 oracle attempts for them to realize you have to do it in order

[@datcookiedough7255]

Go ahead with the shorts Byf we're cool with it.

[@St0nk5]

prophet of doom from garden is all i could think of when I saw that debuff

[@seanmurphy7845]

Besides the detail of the crashed ship the second vision is very likely Europa, as the vision has to take place after the Traveler's sacrifice and we know that the Braytech facility on Europa was entirely unaware of what exactly was going on in the rest of the solar system.

[@rickmiseryking7342]

Vault of glass lore is music to my ears

[@Smoke_n_NoMirror]

Yes please do shorts. Your the best

[@huntingtie3263]

idk if there is any lore surrounding this, but i'd love to learn more about the Gorgons. idk why they seem so interesting, but having harpies that have the ability to erase anything they see and having an entire labyrinth dedicated to housing these odd harpies sounds really intriguing to learn more about, if there is more to learn about

[@doncheadle8179]

Awesome video Byf, would love to see KZbin shorts. Whatever you wanna do dude 😁

[@casebiros]

I think the third vision is closer than we realize. I believe that in a Beneath the Endless Night page, Dead Orbit is preparing for an exodus because of the endless night. Maybe that is when the city is conquered and Lakshmi is correct?

[@TheZamaron]

Even though VOG didn't have any lore for it attached to the new Season, here's my own head canon for it. During the Age of Triumph, we're able to figure out a way to permanently kill Oryx, Crota, Axsis, and seal the Vault. With Atheon defeated and the Vex unable to figure out how to erase things from timelines, Panoptes continued his side of their plans, he would predict futures and try to find one that might lead the Vex to victory, however because the the arrival of the Black Fleet would eventually see Mercury and the Infinite Forest absorbed by the Darkness and the Vex couldn't completely comprehend it's power, all predictions ended at a black void, but Panoptes got close to predicting a way to at least defeat the Guardians and the Traveler, for he was able to get a reading on the Light when the Traveler unleashed it's energy at the end of the Red War, this set Panoptes's plan in motion and he called the Decedents and Precursors to Mercury. Luckily Osiris and us stopped this plan, and Panoptes was destroyed, but the Vex adapted, and more engagements continued as things escalated, eventually Mercury was lost, but the Vex used Panoptes's data to figure out how to bring simulations into the real world. thus they put the Endless Night into effect. With the Night active and slowly draining the City's energy, the Vex were able to reopen the Vault of Glass, and now Atheon continues to try and figure out how to erase things from the timeline. But continuous raids into the Vault and destroying Atheon again and again stalls these attempts at this goal, thus buying us time to to continue to work at ending the Endless Night. Also the Vex may have other plans we just don't know about. Honestly it's the Vex, we're always just theorizing their overall plans much like we are doing with Savathuun, at least the Hive, Fallen, and Cabal are much easier to guess at since they all exist entirely in the main dimension, while the vex inhabit a weird state of time and space together, and we really don't know the full hierarchy of their faction.

[@FurryGram]

I think that those shorts would be good if you can find something short and sweet to put in them. I mainly come for the lore and your very calming voice ftmp.

[@iancarroll4687]

I think the ghost in the second card was on Europa during the war between the exos and vex. I remember The Clovis AI destroyed the ship they were going to use to escape, the ghost could have been transported to the beginning of the fight to retake the Glassway and shut down the portal

[@firecrushfox]

Given that Lightfall is two expansions away and given the communities somewhat mutual agreement that we're going to be getting at least one more Darkness subclass, if not two more, I can see Lightfall being a time where the Traveler flees, leaving Guardians stuck with the only option being to use Darkness-based subclasses. If not for a whole year, then I think at least for the campaign of the Lightfall expansion.

[@Stenbox]

Btw it's not "POBA", it's "RFBA" in Cyrillic (РФБА) which stands for Russian Federal Bureau of Aeronautics.

[@chicago928]

The firtst one mentions a fallen with a Ghost, not something I recall happening. The second could be Saint-14 getting his ghost?

[@quack_a_doodle5922]

I love the vault of "Gloss"

[@thesecretsage6642]

For me it's the vault of Grass and Motes

[@Alpha.Phenix]

15:02 Thanks to sunsetting I've basically already lost mine.