Destiny 2 Lore - What's Next? What happens to Humanity after The Final Shape?

[@marcussherlock6318]

It would be a real curveball if the Awoken in the Distributary returned after billions of years locked away, unrecognisable by time and isolation, transformed, incomprehensible, and incredibly hostile.

[@arryn786]

That would highkey be very interesting… a genuinely good idea from a destiny comment section👍.

[@lordgrub12345]

Maybe some more aphelion lore with that 👀

[@nicholascazmay2126]

That would actually be interesting.

[@marcosgonzalez8774]

Long time ago I thought the aphelion were the time displaced awoken from a far far far future, billions on billions of years

[@bored9611]

Would be sick, but I sadly think Bungie would be able to do them justice

[@maikbentlage5670]

In the Vex Mythoclast's lore tab, it says: "The Mythoclast is a Vex instrument from some far-flung corner of time and space, mysteriously fit for Human hands. It's origins, mechanism of action, and ultimate purpose remain unknown. Perhaps it will reveal itself to you, in time..." This always made me very curious, espectially the last bit of it which suggests we are going to figure it out at some point. Would love to see this!

[@Brrrstrument]

imagine the vex mythoclast is really an axis mind that used vex simulations to try and alter reality, but ended up turning itself into a gun for us, because we are the key into obtaining what the witness wanted, it modeled itself for us, made us curious, then the mythoclast will turn back into what it was, and become witness part 2

[@MrNoble1997]

@@Brrrstrument nah. Witness part 2 is boring and uninspired. Why retread old ground when we could do something different? I don't think they could make any vex mind be on par with the witness, and it would be pathetic to watch them try and fail to make that happen

[@mightymanatee5342]

Bungie already said that the Vex would be the primary villain after Final Shape.

[@AverageLemonCB]

@@mightymanatee5342 Thank god, the vex have kinda been slept on recently 😮‍💨+ The background of episode 1 looks like some funky lookin goblin

[@This_Pleases_The_Nut]

​@@mightymanatee5342Really? When did they say that? (Not that I'm complaining)

[@LOVEMUFFIN_official]

I want Torabatl. I want to go and help the Cabal Ascendancy throw Xivu Arath off their planet.

[@xrstevenson]

I literally made a Vow that I'd never stop playing the game until we take back Torobotl. 3 years ago i was so ready to move on from the Cabal. But now? Im with them to the end of the line and beyond.

[@lionheartgoodfellow3770]

Personally i'd love to visit Fundament or Riis, and perhaps try to reverse the taking of the emperor raven.

[@kylejoyce9057]

I would love to throw down alongside the Cabal , that would so tight and maybe like some psion aspects fragments or hell a new playable race with new moves and 👌 👍 😍 🥰

[@garrettviewegh9028]

I feel like that’s set up by the writers. We see as much when we learn Xivu’s become mortal this season. But, there’s other story threads left uncut: hunting down the remaining worm gods to end the Hive, lifting the curse in the Dreaming City and permanently killing Savathun’s daughter, maybe the Black Armory Forges come back in a side quest line? The prophecy of the Kell of Kells being the first to be chosen by the Light, The Fanatic and the Scorn, Oryx and Xivu’s Throneworlds being vacant for anyone to usurp and claim, the Nine going forward, rebuilding the City of Earth’s government to replace the now disbanded Consensus, the power vacuum and pyramid tech that will be left behind after the Witness’ death, the imprisonment or trial of many of the Witness’ forces that aren’t routed from Sol. There’s also Lysander and the Concordate that could bring the rogue factions into his fold after they’ve left the City, Crow potentially becoming Hunter Vanguard, the possibility of Amanda coming back as a Guardian, the Distributary, what happens to Braytech with Ana and Elsie, there are still many story threads to explore.

[@grahamkennelly4717]

I just want more cabal themed armor and weapons

[@WhoisPersona]

I would love to see us explore the true origins of the Traveler and how exactly something so powerful ended up in our Universe. Perhaps we could end up meeting more of its kind or even its creator .

[@Fr0sTy327]

My head canon is that The Traveler is a pattern screamer. Its what survived the collapse of the previous universe.

[@ArcaneStrain]

@@Fr0sTy327 My original head canon, from before the reveal from Ahsa about the Witness, was that the Traveler was actually an escaped experiment, having been created by the Witness and its race. Meaning that the Light is actually just another form of Darkness.

[@mayhem-2889]

Considering what we now know it seems the veil and the traveler were linked together and may have had one complete source of power. Lore states that the light and dark were potentially once the same energy. Even a ghost projection shows the traveler wrapped around in roots sorta like how the veil has. And with the vex caliber mission it seems the veil was missing another half at the end of the roots. It may explain why the traveler has all those lines around it as well as if something was holding it. And from the witness cutscene it seems like the traveler might have broken off from the veil or escaped it and crashed on the witnesses planet until they found it and helped dig it out.

[@antiope-d9780]

​@@ArcaneStraini think you've misunderstood a few things there. The Traveller was found by The Witness, meaning that it couldn't have been made by them. And the difference between and light and dark isn't just in name. The light is the power of the physical world, things like nuclear fission in solar and gravity in void, while The dark represents the power of conciousness.

[@brandonskalsky5484]

We really need a phyrric victory of some kind. If we end up with a happy-ever-after resolution, it's gonna fall very flat. The Witness is too big, and too powerful, for there not to be some long-lasting impact from his attempts at creating the Final Shape

[@optumis1433]

There are two potential stories I’m curious about, and they may link to each other. The 1st being with Clovis Bray. Last time I checked, he wasn’t happy with in Season of the Seraph and might be a potential threat for us to deal with. The 2nd story involves the Vex portal on Europa. On the other side is a Vex forge star, and I’m curious to see what it will look like

[@mose3775]

I want to go to Volantis so bad. I feel like that would be the best place for us to go to learn about the vex.

[@yhelloh]

"Osiris stood before the Nine on Europa, but the time was not right..." -Brother Vance

[@lionheartgoodfellow3770]

@@mose3775 Yeah, but going by lore, that place is probably just a normal fuel depot/bastion for them, so i don't think they'd have anything really valuable placed there.

[@mose3775]

@@lionheartgoodfellow3770 You make a fair point. There was that mysterious tower that Clovis saw, though. He said something about how it didn’t fit in with the rest of the landscape.

[@lionheartgoodfellow3770]

@@mose3775 Maybe it was a sort of communication antenna for their network?

[@RodrigoLeaf15]

One thing I would love to see after the Witness' defeat is our allies settling on the Solar System alongside Humanity. Torobatl may be reclaimed, but the damage could be so deep that it would be uninhabitable for the Cabal, so maybe the Vanguard offers Caiatl to settle on Mars (as was teased on the first mission of Witch Queen), and we could recover the planet as a patrol zone, with the patrols and events themed around aiding the Cabal in settling down there :D Then the Eliksni, depending on how Eramis' story concludes, Riis-Reborn is there and could be a neutral Eliksni city. Maybe the House of Light chooses to stay on the City, under the Traveler, and they could help humanity to reclaim other parts of Earth (I NEED MORE EARTH ZONES ASIDE FROM EDZ AND COSMODROME D:)

[@MrNoble1997]

I hate the idea of hanging out on earth after all this is said and done. Our destiny lies in the stars. It's been a recurring theme since the launch of the franchise. We need to wrap up the threat of the witness before we can finally move on from the cocoon that is Sol

[@everythingsalright1121]

There are other zones mentioned in the lore. Sahara contested zone in the hunter red moon phantom mask is one

[@RodrigoLeaf15]

@@everythingsalright1121 The Eastern Flood Lands (where a Crucible map is), London, Old Chicago, Panama Canal, Brazilian Dead Zone, etc. Too many cool sounding places to explore, and yet, we don't do it D:

[@lionheartgoodfellow3770]

Well, Riis is still around IIRC, so a future storyline may center around us helping the Eliksni reclaim their homeworld.

[@dravendarkplays9607]

Manhattan nuke zone. Mutant light creatures

[@williamrobinson7900]

I REALLY want them to expand on the Aphelion because they sound absolutely menacing

[@samhank]

What's that

[@lionheartgoodfellow3770]

@@samhank Mysterious apex predators that have the power to destroy planets in seconds, and have terrorized the other races of the galaxy and the awoken, who fear them despite their paracausal powers. Only one of them, a crazy skilled warrior, has been rcorded having survived an attack from one. Yes, just survived, there's no mention of it having been killed. We know almost nothing about them and haven't seen them, and they seem to never leave any survivors. So these things/thing would probably be able to take on Guardians without breaking a sweat, and I think they'll prove to be very difficult opponents in the future...

[@rickydoesstuff]

@@lionheartgoodfellow3770i seriously doubt he survived by fighting it until it weakend or similar i think he managed to escape before everyone else

[@wearsjorge55]

Im excited to see the vex take center stage after final shape. Being the original big baddies before all the retcons/reboots/changes has always interested me and the concept art from D1 is still awesome to look at today

[@demolition3612]

Plus we have never seen the true vex military arm, they don’t seem to see us as that much of a threat, or they are preoccupied in another part of the universe

[@lionheartgoodfellow3770]

@@demolition3612 If the wyverns ard any indication, things are about to get real if they have any true warriors to bring up.

[@JynMojito-xp2yp]

The Cabal Atheneum Worlds would be a cool bit of lore to dig into and see! Lots of opportunities there for exploration, and perhaps deep, unfathomable horrors 👀

[@lionheartgoodfellow3770]

Raiders of the lost atheneums:)

[@JynMojito-xp2yp]

Ooooo, now I need this to happen. That’s a narrative that has Drifter written all over it 🤣

[@redfalcon8062]

Since we're dealing with Xivu Arath next. I'm assuming we're gonna go to a destroyed and invaded Torobatl to help Caiatil to settle a score with her.

[@Panthorius]

Take note that after we destroy the witness, bungie devs did state that there was more that we had to do to prevent the witnesses actions. My guess is there will be a collective effort similar to what we have done in prior seasons.

[@Sailer_Monke]

🫥 so cool

[@WebofHope]

"Echoes" I think is going to literally be the ripple effect of our conflict with the Witness

[@mylesfrost335]

like contigency plans?

[@Panthorius]

@@mylesfrost335 like we did with the warsats and other similar “all player” stat kills/completions. Still I look forward to the land changing and a new place to roam around in

[@orangesoda51414]

I would love to see a destination that's just one MASSIVE social space. Like a full on exploration of the deeper parts of neomuna, the last city, or efrideet's guardian colony. No big bad Enemies, no world ending threats; just a buncha secrets, vendors, and whatnot for us to discover new weapons and exotics akin to cyberpunk or something

[@ready1player31]

What I think is, well, do any other threats even pose a real threat if we can beat the Witness? The only way I can see that is... if the main character (us) suffers a final death.

[@Anchor-Supreme]

This is one of my biggest worries. When you set the stakes as high as the complete destruction of the universe, do other stories even mean anything? There’s gonna need to be some massive shakeups in Final Shape to make following stories believable in terms of stakes.

[@cerulean5032]

@@Anchor-Supreme Has destiny's stakes ever been believable? Like has there ever been any point where the sentiment hasn't just been "Eh, we'll kill 'em or turn 'em into a gun sooner or later". Like even the current threat of the witness just seems like another darkness enemy that gets a cinematic death.

[@broderickfoster2107]

The Vex will be a massive threat at some point. They rewrite full blown timelines to be their way. Whilst The Witness is powerful and wants to rewrite our reality the Vex rewrite ALL realities. There’s also still Xivu Arath who is disconnected from her thrown world but is not weak by any means. Savathun still exists and is likely plotting something massive. I wouldn’t be surprised if another Midnight Coup happens within the Cabal and some new threat comes out (remember they made tech which sealed the traveler, can destroy stars, etc). The Fallen are pretty much defeated but if anyone could actually unite them across all houses in another house of Devils type situation we could be in for a massive threat to humanity. Also we still don’t know HOW we’re defeating the witness. There may be a one time thing that puts its power down to our level. That doesn’t mean other threats to humanity afterwards aren’t still threats. The witness is one being (though I know it’s made up of a whole civilization) our guardian or a fireteam of 6 can take care of 1 thing. However you put a full army in front of us and it doesn’t become that easy. We still haven’t cleared up all Red Legion loyalists in the system…

[@lionheartgoodfellow3770]

Well, we have various remaining foes that can pose a serious and credible threat, like: -The vex, who may seize the opportunity to finally bring their full forces and warriors to bear to ensure their version of the final shape -Any remaining disciples of the witness who may plot and plan to avenge their master -The remaining worm gods -The aphelion, extremely powerful, mysterious beasts that have trerrorized the galaxy for a long time

[@SnowieTheMoth3]

So my theory is, our Ghost in Final Shape is in a stated of Volatility meaning the Light inside of it is struggled to be contained (Why do you think Ghost is cracked and damaged with Light Shining through the crack?), If he leaves i believe he'll die from Volatility of the Light. Thus making us Mortal, our Death might happen after the Final Mission of the final chapter. As that one does look kinda Vexy. Plus where is our Grave located? Vex Network. Who found it? Osiris via Vex construct built by him called the Sundial.

[@dudebruh8534]

Marathon and it's live service seasons is whats next.

[@garrettviewegh9028]

Another thing to consider: the lingering threats that would have cause to hate us, and thus, want to destroy us. Namely: Savathun and her brood, she’s more of a chaotic nuetral, as she has her own agenda, and indirectly saving humanity was just because she wanted to have the Traveler and stop the Witness. She’d planned to betray it for years. Xivu Arath, after having lost her Throneworld, may end up claiming Torobaital as the ground to make her final stand against us. For her, this may be a gamble: she either destroys the Guardians, and others, that go with Caital to reclaim Torrobaital, leaving Sol much weaker to invade, and gain tribute to survive. Or, she dies at Torrobaital, and we along with Caital, destroy her forces completely. This would cripple the Hive. Now being down to three worm gods, a few hundred sacattered broods, and one final Hive god who has no intention of serving the light or the sword Logic, but instead herself. This would leave the Hive much weaker, to the point they’d be closer to extinction. Fikrul is another remaining threat, if he regains control of most, or all, of the Scorn, and make more, after we kill the Witness, he could create his own House. Made from remnants of past and more recent dead Houses, but perhaps he could also claim the Wrathborn, after Xivu is killed. He’d have good reason to invade the City with hordes of Scorn. Only with a second Six Fronts, the Coalition could aid the Guardians. We would need to find a way to permanently end the Scorn; by finding a way to permanently kill Fikrul once and for all. Nezrec, I feel, could come back, and has the influence and power, for many to flock to his banner. Not just Psions, kind you, he could terrorize many Cabal, Elskni, Taken, Scorn, humans, awoken, exos, and maybe even Vex, to join his twisted cult of pain. Finally, there are the countless other Desciples, and loyalists forces of the Witness, as well as remaining Pyramids, that could carry out the Witness’ plans after it’s killed. There’s a chance it left its forces with contingency plans in case it died and the Final Shape failed to be enacted. There’s the remnants of the Shadow Legion, the Sol Devsive, and any Hive that would still be loyal to it. The Pyramids remaining afloat within Sol after the Witness’ death, would also be a threat. We would still need to figure out how to destroy them. Though we could use the pyramid tech to improve our defenses and make new tools and weapons to help our cause. Ultimately, I believe Sol will be mostly at peace. But, humanity and the Coalition as a whole, may not be able to rebuild and reclaim what was lost in the Collapse, until we’ve destroyed and routed our remaining enemies from Sol. The Witness’ death will create a power vacuum. Only after we’ve dealt with the remaining enemies after the war, will we be able to truly rebuild, and build our new Golden Age.

[@haydenb8911]

Thank you byf for doing this incredible work for us! I enjoy every single one of your videos, and I know a lot of other people do too!

[@szxnv]

Thanks for always updating us, i usually hop on once every few weeks and rely on your channel because although i don't really play the game anymore, this channel has kept me invested into the story

[@79bigcat]

Just like how there are distinct human factions, bear in mind that there are still splinter factions of our coalition allies. House Salvation, even discounting the Shadow Legion, Caiatl doesn't have full loyalty of the Cabal either, Sol Divisive and perhaps other, more potent Vex clusters out there, apparently at least one is gestalt enough to refer to itself as "I" and actually communicate to hold Neomuni children for ransom, Taken rallying behind one of their own with enough will to remain intact as we've seen with Riven. Then there's the possibility that threats need not be so external. Even if all Red's tech was destroyed, you think Clovis didn't keep the blueprints? We know he's steamed after Season of the Seraph, so he'll gladly take any chance he gets to avenge his ego. Mara always has plans and schemes, and we know from the Worm that some of them involve disposing of us. Her greater good may dictate betrayal at some point. Drifter may still have part of his bargain with the IX to fulfill. What that'd entail, I don't know. But, they're still very much a wild card to consider.

[@Kaiserfisk]

It would be cool if for a while its gonna be a breather arc in some way like your new job is to help clear earth and vist a lot of places we havent got a chance to see maybe even a clan base system like you build an outpost or colony or mabye we will finaly get a flat in the city but thats just me wanting some building mechanics and more earth exploration

[@jatavionwalker747]

I would love to see a few episodes go further into each class and their vanguard using the darkness alongside the light. Also a few focusing on the different subspecies of human, getting closer and more understanding on the awoken, exos and human guardians plus seeing them interact with their respective parts would be cool.

[@Fitsu13]

I love your optimism...but many alliances fall apart when their common enemy is vanquished, and that happens even when they didn't start on opposing sides.

[@clusterstorm3445]

Bringing in the Awoken of the distributary would be an interesting story beat to fallow. Going to a true Vex controlled system, and seeing just how powerful they are, and maybe, just maybe get a subscription of them to be on our side.

[@kekinshtein4912]

I think that a genuine reconquest of earth from the Vex and Hive would be a fantastic high stakes interlude, with TW out of the way following TFS it would be a good cooling off point and a tangible finish to the light and dark saga. The aftermath could be something similar to another golden age of expansion, maybe a step in a different direction with the gameplay formula of Destiny. Add some pvpve zones for clans to fight each other and third parties over. Make us take supply routes and stabilize regions of space. Actually utilize our ships and guardian powers outside of contained missions and patrols. Have the guardians get out there and cause some havoc with our new allies, but instead of as conquerors be liberators, establishing frontlines on every growing battlefields. I’ve loved the gunplay of Destiny since I played the D1 beta, and I love the gameplay loop but I honestly think that with the current weapon system, and state of classes it would lend itself to a more broad experience as an mmo. As it is we have all the grind with little to none of the QoL or payoff of a genuine mmo. Maybe I’m crazy but it sounds like fun to me.

[@moshandersontv]

13:57 terrible throw bro you would be taken off the starting lineup of pitchers for sure

[@ringomandingo1015]

I think Paracausality will be a topic in of itself. With the Witness gone, we’ll have more time to ponder the purpose of the Traveler and why we stick with it. With new info telling us that Light and Dark are the same and Clovis telling us we can amplify the light (or nullify it as we saw with Black Armory tech), we might even replicate the Light or Dark.

[@s_t_r_a_y_e_d]

as soon as you said "Liberation of Torabatl" I was on board. *Ace Combat OST - Liberation of Gracemeria playing in the distance*

[@pytle]

I would like a future story, where the traveler leaves chooses a new race on a new solar system

[@albylegato2202]

I know that it might be strange, but I’d love to see a moment of peace. Like we have just dealt with the biggest menace in the universe, the Witness or Xivu, and then there’s another objective like going in to the tower, we’re there’s a lot of cheering and everyone is enjoying the triumph. Just after that you have to talk to zavala, and he says that the work isn’t ended. Your objective is to do three patrol in the cosmodrome, and then you go to the place where the ghost resurrected you. You sit down there on the cliff with him, you take a look at the horizon, the screen fades to black and that’s it. I don’t know I think it would make sense, and I would feel very emotional if something like that would ever happen (I’m Italian sorry for the bad English if I made any mistakes)

[@Slop-cute]

Torabatl being retaken is something I think we should help Caital with, we owe her. I think a story with possible continuation is that of Shinn Maphur. I wonder what his stance will be upon seeing us stop the Witness.

[@kanebekkattla3963]

i'd say your probably massively underselling the population of the last city. considering it sprawls out from beneath the near-moon-sized traveler and that it's the future with a ton of tech that would allow it to support more people. personally i'd put it between 50 and 100 million.

[@Aqrelon]

For the future of Destiny I expect that Oryx will come back as character. In my headcanon Oryx isn't really dead but rather stays dormant because he believes in sword logic so much that he believes he has to be dead for sword logic to be true and since he's pretty much Hive god of curiosity (if I understand correctly) he could survive his worms hunger for tithes by overthinking the universe. He could come back as the wisest being in existence.

[@kennersboy3218]

I know this probably won't happen but I want something with siva so badly

[@ClammyHorrorShow]

I was thinking that Clovis Bray could come into contact with SIVA after his failure at controlling Rasputin at the end of season of seraph.

[@kennersboy3218]

​@@ClammyHorrorShowtrue but I'm not sure if bungie would these days. My it would be a really good expansion

[@84m30]

Let it go man lol 😂

[@BrazarB]

I don't see the point of Siva when Cloudstrider tech exits

[@kennersboy3218]

@@84m30 why are you going lol. It just saying what I would like to see

[@eugeneoliveros5814]

Like how the imperium of man is fighting wars against Xenos and enemies it was not able to wipe out with its lasguns, we no have to contend with possibly hostile alien races the hive didn’t wipe out.

[@wprescott82]

I honestly wish I could think of something that could be interesting after The Witness, but with the way the narrative has been handled in lightfall and the last three seasons, I don't trust them to make a story worth playing. Like the Nine have a lot to offer, but if how they handled the Veil is any indicator of how that would go, I almost hope they don't touch them. And that's my concern: we aren't going to be getting much story where we, the mc, makes progress towards a goal or goals, we are just going to get lore padding about everything else in the universe that we witness.

[@MasterCJ117]

There's also the Nine, we still know basically nothing about them, who knows if they were truly on our side or even neutral, for all we know they knew how powerful the Witness was and realized it was their only real threat, so they decided to befriend the enemy or their enemy, humanity, and once the Witness is gone they'll act, and it'll take a minimum of six people just to beat the Witness, which means it's at least 5x more powerful than any individual Guardian.

[@mayhem-2889]

The witness is definitely gonna have to be taken out by more than 6 guardians. I see the witness potentially being a community raid boss probably 12 max so it gives the feeling of everyone needed to defeat them. Bungie did say the witness could solo riven with ease and it took 6 of us to defeat riven

[@MasterCJ117]

@@mayhem-2889 I mean, we could solo Riven with easy during the Craftening lol

[@GloverGaming3]

I'm not sure how much the Neomuni can help with repopulation since they're all in the Cloud Ark, and removing them seems to be a hassle at the very least, if not impossible

[@thearcheovistofsolkeeperof6326]

The Neomuni are physically asleep, they can just go back to their body and wake up

[@the-scarlet-queen]

I'm not sure how the story can go in a direction that feels like there's real stakes on the line assuming we beat the witness. A god of darkness that's capable of reshaping the entire universe and we kill them, what else would be left that we couldn't defeat? I'm interested to see how Bungie handles that.

[@mayhem-2889]

When the witness will be out of the picture the vex will no doubt act on the situation even some of them are scared of the witness according to the mission where we get the lmg with nimbus. Now that the main threat that’s terrifying them will be out of the picture they may act and bring up there own final shape. Plus xivu arath is going to be needing to be taken care of and is no doubt furious at us, eris, and savathun from banishing her from her throne world causing her to be eaten away by her worm. Also the curse on the dreaming city still hasn’t been lifted yet after many attempts even taking out the source quria and trying to with savathun. Potentially since our fate lies beyond the system we can also have a chance at maybe retaking riis and helping the eliksni maybe even eramis if she sees what she’s done

[@athroughzdude]

You forgot to mention Clovis Bray and how he's probably gonna try to conquer the system to shape it in his own giant headed image.

[@samuelkoca181]

Learning more about the Vex and Siva, are my 2 favorite ones.

[@FinxOmally]

I wonder if we're ever going to venture out to the areas the Drifter has been.. That could show us some really dark corners of the universe.

[@giga-egg]

if bungie let us leave sol then they could do pretty much anything they want with new enemy types, subclasses maybe, weapons, and so many other things

[@WebofHope]

One thing I want to point out is that we still don't really know Sav's end goal. She will *maybe* be a foe we have to contend with. She *might* turn on us. She might also decide she's having too much fun with playing along with the alliance and just stay on as that one aunt you don't really like but can't help be in awe of because of her sheer audacity. As for the future: "Echoes" I think is going to literally be the ripple effect of our conflict with the Witness. Cleanup of Witness forces, patching whatever holes in reality it's left in its wake, that kind of thing "Revenant" I'm basing entirely on the stasis blue of the teaser, will be hunting down Eramis who as far as we know is still alive, just gone to ground. What/how that plays out depends on her but I think it'll be mostly reunifying the remaining Eliksni, or as you mentioned maybe retaking Riis "Heresy" is too blatantly Xivu-centric to not be related to her somehow.

[@ericventurino9011]

I would love to see some of the planets the drifter has been to after we assist our allies in reclamation. Also I will be very disappointed if we do not encounter an Aphelion as a new enemy/boss in the future. The final story i want to see also is that of the 9. How did they come to be what is their true purpose and power. A trip into the distributary would be pretty awesome as well. Alot could have changed in the billion years Mara hasn't been there

[@juangimenez4082]

Imagine if Rohan revives as a guardian and he can wield nanites as shown in the Generator Rex show and the Omega nanite can grant him a huge degree of control of Arc energy and control overpowered of Neomuna and Siva

[@garyfink17]

we never really think about how dire humanity's and our allies' situation is in the destiny universe. it's a post-apocalypse on a galactic and intergalactic scale. I think that future chapters of the destiny story would be about going with the traveler to fix everything.

[@hoanglinhvu106]

there's also a possibility that some light bearer might band up to create a "vanguard", opposing the co-existence of multiple race (eliskni, cabal,...) and became a main threat

[@Whowhatzz]

Id love to learn more about the aphelion! There are deep space horrors in the destiny universe and i need to see them.

[@samhank]

What does that mean

[@Whowhatzz]

@@samhank like what does "the aphelion" mean? It's just the name the awoken gave to this Monsters. Otherwise I'm not 100% sure what you are asking. I just mean I'd like to see Bungie give us some more info on them, or show them to us in game.

[@samhank]

Thank you for replying

[@Anchor-Supreme]

It would be very interesting to see other human factions begin to see the Tower as a threat, such as the remaining faction forces that left the City. If Destiny is expected to survive post-Final Shape, we NEED new enemy factions to fight against. Fallen, Hive, Cabal, Vex, and Taken are a good amount, but the lack of new races or even new enemies is causing things to get boring.

[@IainG10]

I have a strange, off the wall theory; we are going to learn how to create wormholes from what the Witness has done to the Traveller. Using this we are going to return to Toronatl to evict the Hive, and possibly even recleam Riis.

[@Alex-kk4bk]

The distributary and a reunion of the awoken would be an insanely unique and interesting setting for a whole year of content honestly

[@shootureyeout0769]

I’m curious about what Shin Malphur & the Shadows of Your are up to They almost seemed instrumental to us learning darkness subclasses, but they vanished before Shadowkeep (over a year before we got stasis) Also I thought they vanished in preparation for this final conflict with the Witness, but it seems they won’t be here for it

[@furionmax7824]

For me. As a player. Its full on retirement. Ive been playing since D1. Im seeing this through to the end. Finishing the story. Maxing out my gear. Maybe ill take a pic of my Guardian in its full gear and hang it up as a souvenir. Bc when i retire. I aint touching destiny ever again. Its been a fun ride. But a good man knows when its time to get off. Plus im getting married next year so i aint gonna have time for it anyways. Or the money lol

[@hunter2509]

To be completely honest I just wanna know more about the space spiders you mentioned in your video on Cyrtarachne's Facade. Imagine Starship Troopers with space magic.

[@PretenderAval]

A couple of things i can see happening after the MAIN threat is gone - some possibilities 1. There being no MAIN threat to anyone and everyone who's to say our allies, Awoken, caitl, Rasputin etc, wont just turn against us maybe not immediately but some disagreements could happen 2. what was said in this video "other disciples" xivu arath, and fallen that going into maybe new tech 3. Something im surprised they have not already done or thought about = Guardians turning on each other whether thats drifter/cayde kinda bandits or even factions deciding to conquer areas, or even a Rebellion since there is no MAIN threat and we are considered the strongest beings in the universe at that moment, etc. (although i will say obviously this could change depending on what happens to the travelerin the final shape and or the ending)

[@geasslordzero]

"While I don't want to write the moon off entirely it might be a lost cause". Ok hear me out a minute.... what if we get every single warlock together and we Nova Bomb the moon?

[@DamienPearce-g2e]

Perhaps we'll see light bearing cabal on our side some day too

[@hrodvitnir7524]

Humanity needs to be united? We aren't even united irl, LOL

[@drakozash8153]

From what I've seen in game and in Lore a lot of the Neo Muni view us as incredibly dangerous savages. I don't think they'll turn on us but I don't think they'll share their tech in any meaningful way.

[@Shadowleon70]

3rd Darkness subclass after Final Shape? Wat y'all think?

[@innocent-_-]

Please bungo let me wield Nightmare as a subclass. Let me unleash my rage against all those deserving and bring vengeance to my enemies through fear

[@killerofzombs115]

The Skrank Gang is next, obviously.

[@Ghost_Toast5000]

Prime opportunity for a new alien race to fight 👀

[@mexicanprime106]

I don't see that happening sadly

[@Banana-Boi]

A better time was with the arrival of the witness.

[@ActuallyNTiX]

i don't believe so tbh. i mean, we already GOT a new alien race in the witness and its minions, but I know what you mean. you want something like a whole new race of Tormentors/Subjugators, a whole race of those Lubraen-lookin guys.

[@ballboys607]

​@@mexicanprime106They've been teasing the Aphelion race for literal years, I can't see them possibly missing this opportunity

[@Sypitz]

@@ballboys607your confidence in bungie is misplaced.

[@TheChinchillaArmy]

There still is the Aphelion. Haven’t heard any more word on them yet, unless they just entered the DCV without any further plans currently

[@firenzarfrenzy4985]

What’s next speculations: - First major thing that sticks out to me is Xivu Arath. The most well known member under the witness’s forces. I believe this is what an expansion will be based around in the near future or at he very least will be related to the episode Heresy. Oryx got an expansion and so did Savathun. Logic says so should Xivu Arath. - Vex. Echoes Episode is looking to be Vex centric. Vex we’re said to be the victors of the flower game, succeeding in their final shape in every instance prior to Paracausality as a variable. With he witness gone, it falls to us as he most dominant force to keep them at bay. We may be helping the Neomuna with this since Sam has said they’ve plagued Neomuna for their entire history. We also might return to some sites on Venus/Mercury. - Scorn. Fikrul is still out there and the episode with scorn on it is called Revenant, this fits with the fact Fikrul is immortal and revenant means “one who has returned from death (after a long time)”. - Disciples. What we have done with he witness is fast tracked our way through his layered hierarchy. We’ve carved a path through the hive gods, taken out some key disciples, and that has opened up a channel into fighting him directly. However given his Millenia long presence, it would be poor to say he has no more forces left. The VoW lorebook has an entry written from an unknown disciple, meaning there is definitely more to the witnesses forces than Rhulk and Nezarec. - Eramis. Her wavering loyalties places her in a position of unknown action. She seems to still serve the witness but we do not know for how much longer. She is not drawn to the witness because of the promise of the final shape like all the other disciples. She wants to release her fury on the traveler for abandoning Riis and condemning Eliksni to a poorer future. She did not have to warn Mithrax about the Loyalist trap but she did, our negligence causing Amanda’s death. She also disapproves of the idea of scorn and wrath born. Her emotions clearly show in the lore excerpt where the Technocrat is returned to her as a ‘gift’ by the witness. It pains her. We may be able to sway her to our side as time goes on. If the witness is gone, she is not beholden to anyone. She doesn’t have the fear of defection anymore. She genuinely seems sad as expressed a couple of times to Eido, once in a transmission and the other in a lorebook. It is sad she believes ‘the Eliksni have a bright future but I do not belong in it’.

[@firenzarfrenzy4985]

I want to propose more but I both don’t think I can extrapolate more and also narrative is being limited by logistics. Titan was a place that already existed and yet they could only bring it back as an activity and not a patrol zone because of how hard it is to make old data compatible again. So anything extra Solar is unlikely unless they really want something huge like an expansion around it to make it fully utilised and pay off for the resources put into it. Some people have said Take back Totobatl. I’d personally like going into the Distributary. Awoken architecture is so beautiful. Byf said reclaiming Riis. All magnificent ideas but perhaps I am being pessimistic.

[@scottbrayton9484]

Im excited for heresy, which is presumably a plotline about some large faction of the hive forgoing the sword logic

[@thebagel_lord]

Given what the new destination armor for TFS looks like, its safe to say we will be seeing a form of partnership between Neomuna and the Last City. I'd like to visit totobotl, if bungie decided to make its reclamation a thing we help spearhead then it would be an excellent place to have an episode center around

[@Noblesix84]

Personally, I think our next three Episodes should focus on us and our allies, or at least our allies. I see three primary objectives after the Witness is defeated and if things don't change that much. We need to secure The Reef and Dreaming City for the Eliksni and Awoken, reclaim Torobatal for the Cabal, and hopefully reclaim Earth so that we can begin to grow our own population and territory.

[@lionheartgoodfellow3770]

What about Riis? it could also still be around.

[@armourdillo1236]

We've been on the defence as guardians for so long, I think the chance to truly go on the offence outside the system, on a crusade against the remaining hive/taken and torabatl or the vex or similar.

[@PixelleHearts]

Distributary! They live millions of years faster than us... who knows what's going on in there. They could be fighting their own form of darkness beyond our comprehension.

[@S3Cs4uN8]

Personally I see the story of Destiny remaining largely confined to the Solar System for the time being, Humanity has an extremely long way to go before it can even begin to think about being Galactic Police and the first step invariably has to be securing control of Earth and rebuilding Human Civilization. Maybe then we might actually have some connection with the humans we nominally protect.

[@thursdaygirl_]

there have been so many hints in lore tabs, flavor texts, and in game dialogue that point towards us going beyond Sol and i really hope Bungie doesn't drop the ball as far as that goes

[@ryanosborne7534]

After final shape there is a new god that announces to the universe it is selling this universe off to the highest bidder in order to work on another universe called Marathon.

[@Mrmeek4-m6s]

these possibilities of how it may pan out and the logical problems to face are tantilizing but not enough to keep me playing, i will continue to listen through you but i know after the grand finale i and my brothers dont intend to pick up the game again

[@feralprocessor9853]

I imagine if we defeat the Witness we somehow break it apart into independent fragments or reverse its darkness gestalt concourses back to its origin as the "predecessors." Which is more opertunity for more content.

[@tsunertoo9149]

Saladin: "we must destroy the Cabal" Cabal: "No Valus Saladin! YOU THE CABAL" *and then Saladin was Cabal*

[@SnowieTheMoth3]

As someone who loves the Eliksni race, and their Lore: I want to Visit Riis. I want to help the Eliksni reclaim their lost Home. I want to see them United under one perfect house. One graced by the Travellers Light. One other place teased in Vanilla D2 on Titan that one specific Scan Log referencing Hypireon. (?) Or however it was spelled i have completely forgotten by now. I want to see that, as well as the entity the Awoken of the past have seen. The one where it left a ship empty, no crew, no entity, no entry point nor exit point. These are things i want to explore.

[@DoubtfireClubWGPowers]

You already know the answers but you need to ask the right questions

[@RuseVeil]

Every so often I visit Clovis to see if bungie randomly throws in a new line of dialogue. Nothing has been seen yet but I wouldn't be surprised if Clovis attempts something colossal after his failed capture of the warsat network.

[@FlyyKaRizZmA]

After Final Shape. We pull the plug… on Destiny 2.

[@potato1341]

I wouldn't write the moon off as a lost cause so long as Xivu doesn't make moves on it. Only reason the great disaster came about was because floods of underprepared guardians rushed in. They were cut down by Crota, whom since we've killed (several times), as well as Oryx, then Savathun realigned herself to work for the traveler. I feel Eris really gave us the edge to retake the moon, with what we now know thanks to her experience in the hellmouth and our ability to root out ascendant hive, I think the moon isn't a lost cause, but it definitely be a trying experience

[@atilacanavezi7073]

I hope that the next saga will be after a considerable amount of years from now. Of course it depends on the exact way that the current saga will finish, but putting the narrative many years ahead will do good to everyone and open up a lot of space to adjust anything. We could start at the peak of the new 'golden age' expansion.

[@vgernyc]

Would be interesting for Mara Sov to take us into the Distributary in Destiny 3. If the Witness is defeated and likely will be, Mara can return to the Distributary to tell her mother, that it is safe for the other Awoken to join her. Maybe the Vex or Savathun discover the Distributary as a result.

[@REDcladSPECTER]

This may be a small story bit in the grand scheme of things, but I want to see the Sunbreaker Order rebuilt anew. We got just a bit if lore about their destruction at the hands if the Red Legion when Destiny 2 started and we only had a little information on them when they were introduced in the Taken King. I’m sure that a few of their survivors probably joined the city but I’d bet they had plenty of loyalists who would refuse to align with the guardians. How fun would it be to find surviving Sunbreakers, learn about their history and philosophy, reclaim and rebuild their forge from the Vex with the help of Saladin and maybe even Ada and the Black Armory. There would be tension between us and them due specially to our alliance with not only the Cabal but with a Cabal leader who served under Ghaul. Besides building up a foothold on Mercury would be a great start to potentially taking the planet back from the Vex.

[@jlb4685]

Hate to say it but I think Destiny’s second saga will go out on a whimper like Marvels phase 4 post Thanos.

[@alexbaer455]

I'd like to see a diplomatic side of things, with earth going from a huddled refuge to a metropolis of humans, exos, awoken, eliksni, and cabal

[@RyuRaeArashi]

Just starting the video. I am kind of hoping we clean up the witness, end up going to Torobatl and helping Caiatl re-establish their home world. I'd love to travel outside of Sol in general, see more worlds we've never seen. Galaxies we've never traveled to and the like. I'm hoping the "final shape" is the re-merging of light and dark into one, because both forces are required for the universe to exist.

[@AymenDZA]

Drifter: "We're down to one city, I could cause an extinction level event"

[@rubenjaimes1194]

I want a vex story where we go back in time to see our characters life, death and resurrection by our ghost. Also the fighting at six fronts, fighting during the first collapse. Would be bad ass !!!

[@PG-tm9pe]

europa is becoming more of a vex infested ice ball but it will be interesting to see what develops with clovis or any of the remaining braytech facilities, and how much that will affect the future story. maybe he comes into play with extrasolar colonization efforts.

[@WinterPhoenix]

I kinda want a evil us like a Goku black situation

[@DragonKhy]

I love to think that we’re at a point similar to where in Avatar they’re gathering everyone together and getting ready for the final battle

[@generalnawaki]

15:18 300,000 people. after that as long as you can avoid disaster and plague you're population will be fine.

[@KAMI__KITSUNEE]

literally was just asking myself this ilysm byf, same wavelength my man

[@AstroGlen]

What about Clovis Bray? his ai is still alive on Europa and he sent a message there saying that we knew his plan to take over the warmind. I'm sure he will pop up again and I hope he does.

[@dravendarkplays9607]

I think once the witness is defeated we could see some sort of truce with savathun. She leaves us alone and tskes over the moon, she sends lucient hive to help us reclaim lost areas

[@fluffdafire157]

Im kinda hoping we can expand into the infinite forest like just sit down and take control of a part of it and begin to explore it more thoroughly than we have before

[@twobee-1654]

I think an expansion where we help to break the curse of the dreaming city and potentially go to the distributary would be fire

[@demonsorrows]

(Apologies for length. Just thorough with my thoughts is all.) I still think the big baddies of the next saga will be the powerful ascendant plane beings stuck in The Deep. I also believe the energies we use may one day be understood to be sentient in a way. My guess is it would play on something like: "The Distributary is the combination of Light and Darkness. The ascendant plane Once were both one in the same "universe." As the Traveler and Veil split, so did the major aspects of the ascendant plane's Shapes and Shadows. The aspects of Darkness and Light, shapeless abstracts of energy, molded forms once intertwined, unwoven to be the conjurers of their own destinies. Guardians believe themselves masters of solar, void, arc, strand, even hive magic. True, if your views are determined purely by demonstration. Utilization in what seems like a whim, but not in understanding why. They don't yet understand those energies have a will of their own. They formed and evolved as much as any galaxy, sun, planet, or creature from the depths of time's oceans. Humanity, amongst other countless species, have wielded these energies as parlor tricks, for creature comforts, as well as power to defeat our enemies on the battlefield. The question remains: towards what end do these energies, these powers, wield us?" Using an Osiris way of speaking in my head.

[@Keemperor40K]

They can also create new enemies, ones that have existed without coming into contact with the Traveller or the Darkness. The Galaxy is a large place and however large the enemies we have faced are, there may be many out there who have grown without even being aware of the struggles that have encompassed the travelers saga. While the traveler stayed with some species for a long time, others he just got them on their own path and later left, and the Witness in its own twisted way also created terrible servant civilizations, whether they are aware of this fact or not.

[@DrunkOblivion26]

At some point, the re-taking of earth (sol) will need top be a priority. A season, campaign, or something.

[@Dorian_Kellum]

Honestly… as much as I would love us jumping in a Cabal Carrier and performing an orbital D-Day invasion (which is probably what would happen) and putting the boot to the last of the Hive gods, scaling back and dealing with uniting all the settlements on Earth - truly reclaiming our own home - would be really neat. It would be a good story for someone like Hawthorne to show up again (maybe with Crow) as a more down to earth character. “Yeah, you beat the Witness, yeah you’re a god-slayer, but humanity is still scattered and a shadow of its golden age self.” Maybe someone like Lysander could show up and try to unite the factions and attempt to divide us again, trying to drive us into another dark age. They kinda did this in Splicer, but that was just the City. A village on the other side of the planet will shoot at Mithrax (and maybe us) the second they see him

[@dherko]

It's clear to me that we are going to get a Vex after credits scene after the final shape just like when we saw the Pyramids in the beginning kicking off the next saga.