"The glory days of YA but make it spicy and aged up" As someone that has read both fourth wing and hunger games, HG is *WAY* more mature than FW. I went into FW completely blind (and when I say completely blind I somehow was able to miss the comotion around it, only saw the cover with dragons and thought "neat, fantasy with dragons, sounds cool") and the narration and characters were so juvenile and immature I fully believed it was a YA book until the first sex scene hit me like a sack of bricks.
@mynameismarines Жыл бұрын
Yes!! I was arguing with someone about this in my tiktok comments recently because they treat YA as a tone. HG is brutal while being age appropriate in its language and approach. Fourth Wing was frolicking through senseless death that made no sense just so it could get to the cheesiest sex. Like… these people walked away from the dystopian era of YA thinking “but what if all those teens were having sex?” And… I hate that.
@juniawetmann1311 Жыл бұрын
@@mynameismarines Yes, that's a really good way to describe this dissonance. The whole book treats the war and the war college with such dismissal and brushing off really heavy stuff while Violet focuses completely on drooling over Xaden, but at the same time we're supposed to see this as mature and heavy it's just baffling
@Ashbrash199810 сағат бұрын
@juniawetmann1311 If I had to guess, it's because FW's author wrote romances previously so she's continuing that. HG's had an author who seriously examined a topic and took it very seriously as it was. And her writing style matches very well with the subject.
@zcapari Жыл бұрын
some of the tiktoks were funny, mostly when they were focusing on the villain doing evil things, not on just being attracted to him IMO. Also guys, being evil and hot does not make you "morally grey", you're still morally evil lmao
@smilingstingray55377 ай бұрын
"hot does not make you "morally grey", you're still morally evil" holy shit I did not even pick up on this, but the second I read this, a bunch of characters who have been dubbed 'morally grey' by their fandoms just because they're hot, ran through my mind. I never realized this trend, but you are SO right. It's kind of disgusting when you think of the ugly characters who are considered 'irredeemable' just because they're not as visually appealing.
@intergalactic-loser Жыл бұрын
the craziest thing to me is that Korean manhwas and webnovels have already done this 100 times over and from the sounds of it 100 times better
@whiteraven562 Жыл бұрын
Villainess storylines are also a thing in Japanese lightnovels
@minerva911 ай бұрын
Chinese and Japanese novels as well
@escorpea7 ай бұрын
As someone who is new to manwhas give me some recs pls? 🥺
@Victoria-_4 ай бұрын
Exactly 😂
@GhostBirds Жыл бұрын
8:40 i havent read the book but these descriptions + the tiktoks are also giving me that marvel/superhero movie "....He's right behind me, isn't he?" style of humor. In small doses I don't mind it but with long-term exposure I would struggle a bit. I see the appeal though, the idea came from a good-intended place i think! maybe it mightve worked as a silly sitcom novella instead of the tone mix. or, one of those short episodic comics/webseries
@mynameismarines Жыл бұрын
I'm sure you would not be surprised to hear that there was a "he's right behind me" moment in this book.
@GhostBirds Жыл бұрын
wait really?? oh noooo 😂
@robgst100 Жыл бұрын
Those skits made me want to claw my eyes out.
@mynameismarines Жыл бұрын
I know they have a big fan base on TT, but I truly fail to find a single thing about them funny.
@juniawetmann1311 Жыл бұрын
Yes, when marines described it I thought "could be a cool idea" and regretted thinking it before the first one ended
@BookChats Жыл бұрын
@@mynameismarinesI thought maybe one joke in episode one was funny but as soon as the... "Joke"? Became that the character was attracted to violence it was not funny.
@devlyn873 Жыл бұрын
Those were painful to watch 😶
@ChrisBReadin9 ай бұрын
@mynameismarines to be fair...after having just read the audiobook recently....the 3 skits you showed are better than the book.....and the skits themselves are still terrible 😬😬
@ViolaVines Жыл бұрын
So knowing they were “ YA but spice “ clears up for me why the characters sound so young. Now…the ceo editing… that’s a choice….
@mynameismarines Жыл бұрын
Yes the “YA but juuuust old enough so grown adults can watch them have sex” thing is huge part of what Red Tower is my nemesis.
@ViolaVines Жыл бұрын
@@mynameismarines ah, you articulated why red tower just gives me a gross feeling. I may join you and making them a nemesis lol
@Evelyn_Okay7 ай бұрын
@@mynameismarines YEEEESS now that I'm an adult, I think it's soooo weird when adults read YA and get so invested in literal teenagers hooking up. It started with "Twilight Moms," which led to the 50 Shades era
@Imhrien Жыл бұрын
I mean, the way their site describes each book is literally "successful series meets other successful series, but searingly hot!" really solidifies the feeling that the Red Tower project is to sell as many half-baked vibes as possible instead of actually crafting stories. And while I can appreciate that people are having a good time eating up stories where you can turn your brain off, it really does echo Hallmark in the way that the same stories over and over have subtle normalization of shady ideas and then reinforcing them through repetition. Japanese and Korean Light novels, webtoons, and manga are going through an absolute glut of "villainess" types of stories, and even the silliest ones have decent deconstructions and commentaries of villainy and our attraction to villains. To anyone really disappointed by this novel, I highly recommend these as starters: (slapstick) I'm the villainess so I'm taming the final boss (peak drama & angst) Villains are destined to die
@exomake_mehorololo Жыл бұрын
Which shady ideas does Hallmark reinforce?
@Imhrien Жыл бұрын
@@exomake_mehorololo as someone who actually enjoys watching them, I have to just note and sigh that a lot of its movies are very aggressively heterosexual, aggressively imply that a woman needs a partner (and eventually kids) to be fulfilled and truly happy, that career driven women are morally problematic and just undesirable. They are also overwhelmingly white and have some movies with pretty gross tokenization. So yeah, I can enjoy the cutesy feel good cheese of a holiday romance, but still recognize that its showing me that only straight rich white people get to find love in their beautiful countryside small town that was settled by their colonial ancestors. Some of their movies have much stronger religious undertones than others as well. The network came under new management recently that announced they were going to address some of this very unbalanced storytelling, and then a competitor channel came out that caters to the much more conservative crowed, and some of the actors jumped ship to this new competitor. That its called the "Great American Family" channel tells you all you need to know about who's making these stories and what they're for. people.com/tv/great-american-family-channel-what-to-know/
@Imhrien Жыл бұрын
@@KATtube03 you hit all the main points and more succinctly than I could 👏
@MaryaHach Жыл бұрын
Let me add a title to the list: I'm in love with the villainess, for a sapphic comedy. It started as a light novel, and it's getting an anime adaptation this season
@jussalilguy Жыл бұрын
@@MaryaHach thanks for the rec, when i fell down the rabbit hole of villainess manga a while aback, this was the main twist on the villainess genre i wanted to see🙏🙏🙏
@monster-enthusiast Жыл бұрын
5:28 "there was not an ounce of fat on that man's body" I know she was trying to say that he's jacked but this is an awful sentence that conjures terrible imagery. It also feels wildly insulting to fat people (and not fat people tbh.)
@emryborge7027Ай бұрын
I think it was a murakami trolling, as it’s almost a direct quote from 1q84
@AntheanCeilliers2 күн бұрын
Recently I heard a KZbinr say, "call me weird, but I want some ambiguity in a man's digestive process," while talking about why fat is atrractive and I feels like it applies to this line too
@kimilynP Жыл бұрын
the CEO is editing their books?? that's...what is that?? Does that mean they couldn't hire editors before publication or they just didn't want to? I'm guessing the latter. I'll give them this, Red tower definitely seems to know their audience. The "tropes and vibes" girlies are obsessed. I'm just not convinced they'll have any longevity. Especially if they're trying to turn these books into series. People will shrug through one bad book if they're having fun, but sticking around through two or more is a harder ask.
@mynameismarines Жыл бұрын
They have an editorial team, of some sort, according to their website, but Yarros and Maehrer both thank the CEO as their editor... Yarros specifically talks about spending 21 days editing with the CEO. So. Lol.
@kimilynP Жыл бұрын
@@mynameismarines...wtf? 😳 so either the CEO *is* the editing team or is part of the editing team. Either way, not a good look. Their entire strategy lies not in actually having quality books, but in having slapdash books with high grade marketing. I have even less confidence in their longevity. I'll be curious to see if they're still around in 10 years...
@exomake_mehorololo Жыл бұрын
Is the CEO a hot villain?
@h3llthing Жыл бұрын
@@mynameismarinesOnly 21 days??? That’s WILD
@nootnewt3 Жыл бұрын
@@kimilynPthat’s most of the industry to be fair. The industry doesn’t care about “quality” it cares about making money. Thats why not only are these books not well written, they’re often poorly edited too. And this book was wildly successful. They need “blockbusters” that will pull in a lot of money, it doesn’t matter if they’re good books. These days they’re trying to appeal to tiktok readers who want YA-esque romances. That’s just the reality of it for better or for worse.
@887frodo Жыл бұрын
That Tik Tok compilation has big “I had to sit through this so now you will too” feels to it. And although I understand it, I can’t condone the cringe lmao
@mynameismarines Жыл бұрын
I literally downloaded 8 examples and only included three so I would call that restraint. But you are 100% correct that I wanted you all to see what I saw.
@rose_and_thorns Жыл бұрын
The very idea that someone watched those inane, obnoxious, and very not funny TikToks and was like THIS NEEDS TO BE A BOOK makes me wish the printing press had never been invented.
@dangerkayutak2032 Жыл бұрын
Yikes. Not funny.
@rose_and_thorns Жыл бұрын
@@mirimariana Um, of course they are? That's the whole point.
@vectorshingetsu5560 Жыл бұрын
God, the Tiktoks got increasingly less interesting as they made more! And weirdly thirsty for the fictional villain. Even 60 seconds was too much.
@jasminv8653 Жыл бұрын
It's been a series of tumblr posts like five years ago probably already
@mirimariana Жыл бұрын
@arp711 Oh sorry, though u were saying they were two different people
@mariam19554 Жыл бұрын
The red tower thing feels like the result of the capitalism and tiktok overtaking the book publishing industry. The books have to be sold in an elevator pitch using tiktok buzzwords and the readers buy and own as many editions as possible. It’s quick turnover times and first draft publishing, with the sequels being pumped out so quickly to maintain the viral moment. It’s honestly very tragic.
@leahharlann Жыл бұрын
The CEO of Red Tower being the "editor" for both books is why publishing needs more unions 🙃
@miapopova2315 Жыл бұрын
I feel like making this idea into a comic book with short self contained chapters would have been a lot better. I haven't read the book or watched the shorts but from what I saw here the author's skillset and experience don't seem to be in long-form media.
@sourcandyspite Жыл бұрын
yes like the Househusband series that's on Netflix (can't remember the manga name), just little vignettes that maybe have connecting characters or events but are more similar to the "skit" vibe
@heysara910 Жыл бұрын
Like…Nimona?
@Sootielove11 ай бұрын
I was curious to read this book because personally I love hammy villain romances but that's usually in a "I will take over the world and give you Austrailia as a present" sort of self-awareness about villainy. I feel like the book would have worked better in that sort of lens because you don't actually need to make the villain morally grey to be compelling or romanceable but when you try to have it both ways you end up getting "I wished my father loved me as much as I love kicking puppies" energy
@MykkiOnTheCusp4 ай бұрын
Right? Like, I wanted a Megamind romance!
@anomaliecosmos22 күн бұрын
That last quote is a fantastic way of putting it. Adding that to my lexicon posthaste.
@Sootielove22 күн бұрын
@anomaliecosmos All credit goes to overly sarcastic productions. They come up with great quotes
@elskabee Жыл бұрын
The way a book like this could have been a Chuck Tingle style satire but instead it's.... well.
@vvitch-mist20 Жыл бұрын
Chuck Tingle writes insane stories but he has actual talent behind him. There is a method to his madness.
@elskabee Жыл бұрын
@@vvitch-mist20 exactly! whereas Assistant to the Villain just shows the author's inexperience in writing
@vvitch-mist20 Жыл бұрын
@@elskabee It really just needed a little more polish, but Idk if the editor has actual editing skills. Fourth Wing shouldn't have been published period with the state that it was in, and THAT was edited.
@elskabee Жыл бұрын
@@vvitch-mist20 yep, I've read plenty of books with some interesting or at least fun ideas that have been severely let down by poor editing and publishers going ahead with a book that isn't ready. It seems like Red Tower cares more about hype than anything else which is a real disservice to the authors and the readers
@vvitch-mist20 Жыл бұрын
@@elskabee I was gonna try to send in some of my work, but with everything I'm finding out and their questionable queer section. By questionable I mean there are 43 books but nothing on the actual page.
@AwsomenessRain6 ай бұрын
I misheard one of the skits as “your love interest” instead of “her love interest”, and I think that a story about the assistant to a gay villain in one of those dramatic love-hate relationships with the hero would be a lot more interesting than the bog standard secretary/boss office romances. Like, all the potential humour gets drained away the moment it becomes about how much the assistant wants to bone her boss, but being the third wheel to the world’s messiest gay romance? Now THAT has potential
@artchimera11 күн бұрын
I know this is an old comment, but the Miike Snow Music video for Genghis Khan has kind of this plot lol. I’d love a fleshed out well done book like that as well. There’s also a graphic novel called Nimona by ND Stevenson that has a great villain/sidekick plot if comics are up your alley!
@spukhaus5669 Жыл бұрын
I died at “a LeCroix of a plot” 💀
@sao-me1lt Жыл бұрын
same i will be using lacroix as a descriptor from now on
@gilliancarr1480 Жыл бұрын
I miss the person I was before I watched those Tiktoks. You are by far my favorite reviewer. You never miss! Your 4th Wing hate makes me giggle every time because they really swindled us all with that one.
@andromeda13811 ай бұрын
"the la croix of a plot" brilliant
@GatekeeperGuardian-wv3cd11 ай бұрын
As far as how PoC are treated in Fourth Wing there's also Rhiannon who is a very stock "black best friend". About the only thing I've seen that differentiates her from other stock black best friends is that Rhiannon is clearly the most intelligent character in the series but is never treated like it (Which I'm pretty sure isn't even that uncommon for the archetype she fits into)
@arkkon274010 ай бұрын
When I listened to Fourth Wing I took Rhia as the stereotypical queer friend so thats kinda interesting. Maybe im mixing the characters up but Yarros makes no attempt at differentiating these people besides the main 3 and it sucks balls
@Caroline-wb2kl Жыл бұрын
That third “why?!” about the main character’s feelings towards the woc in her workplace 😭 too real. How many times have I read a book on my yt friend’s recommendation and then midway thru been like “haha now why does this MC hate this new character… oh they’re not white yay! …oh. Oh! Oh???? No…………..” 😅😅😅
@aneweliseonlife Жыл бұрын
How many special editions do you think this one will get? 😂
@mynameismarines Жыл бұрын
Probably none because they'll be busy making Fourth Wing version #47
@YW23248 ай бұрын
Lol 😆
@emitheorbit111811 ай бұрын
4:28 Do y'all know that one SpongeBob reaction pic where Mr. Krabs stares at a chalkboard that says "Days without white nonsense: 0"? That's essentially my reaction to these videos of her
@notstlouise Жыл бұрын
i really don't understanf why the tiktoks have "morally gray" villain, even though it feels more like an old disney hyperbolic villains that are only doing evil for the sake of it..... a "morally gray" villain would need complex reasons to do things considered evil, not just "well, he is the villain" :-/
@mynameismarines Жыл бұрын
In the book, it tries to be like oh but there is a reason he’s doing “evil,” but then also it never explains or contends with why he’s also like murdering interns and how that is no longer morally gray or Disney villain but, you know, evil evil.
@Lexiluthor.6911 ай бұрын
Wait it’s like a feudal fantasy type setting? I thought it was more like a supervillain/incredibles type thing
@alterVgo Жыл бұрын
I picked this up at the library recently because the description sounded like a worse (i.e. less critical thinking, more tropey romantasy) version of Hench, and I was curious how that would work. I'm not on TikTok so I hadn't realized there were skits, but I think you summed it up in the title: could've stayed as a 60-second skit. I feel better about DNFing it, if that's what they were building the whole story around. Also, "the La Croix of a plot" is such a descriptive and concise phrase, might find that sneaking into my review vocabulary!
@natasharedmane Жыл бұрын
I saw the comments about the skits and the curse that I call curiosity couldn’t help it and I went to check them out. Now I'm sitting here, freshly after opening the Dead Dove Bag in the fridge, thinking "I dont know what I expected" sigh edit: i commented before watching the video because I didnt think you'd add examples and now i reached the point of the video with examples and my skin wants to leave my body :') lmaoo
@callieconover8356 Жыл бұрын
these are all excellent points and I am HERE for your red tower nemesis era... could it end in an enemies to lovers arc? we'll have to see haha. Great video!
@mynameismarines Жыл бұрын
idk but enemies to lovers is one of my least favorite tropes! 😂
@IngaLangfeldt Жыл бұрын
When you said "it reads like YA, it feels like YA, it has themes like YA" I so wanted you to break out into a Gaston-like song about YA. That is all. Thank you for reading this book so we don't have to :)
@lexi8445 Жыл бұрын
I KNEW there was something going on with Fourth Wing's marketing. Thank you, this was very informative
@ilikecake3456 Жыл бұрын
First of all, you have the most delightful laugh on the internet!! Secondly, this video was great - I especially liked your thoughts re: "better to be dead than a survivor," and I like how you distinguish between the things that are not for you vs. objectively not good!! You're a really good, well rounded reviewer, and I'm really glad that you're on booktube. Lastly, if you're up for making a video with your thoughts/analysis on what the new adult genre is/what it could be, I would love to hear it!! Best wishes 💓
@VariousAndSundryBee Жыл бұрын
That laugh after you said the CEO was the editor really closed the case for me.
@stephysteph8558 Жыл бұрын
I don't mind the tik toks. They're so much shorter and the suspension of disbelief is higher. They're not great, but I see why this is a funny idea for a sketch. But part of the humor comes from the main character being the butt of the joke for how oblivious and horny she is, and the fact that we never see the villain, so the implication is that he's doing all this bizarre stuff just off screen, and trying to imagine what's going on adds to the tension and the humor. But that does not make a book. We can't all be as charming and creative as Terry Pratchett.
@danaslitlist1 Жыл бұрын
Me and Marines 🤝 being bamboozled by Booktok books (Fourth Wing) 😂 literally my exact experience “Like YA but spicy! And aged up!” BEGGING, BEGGGING, BEGGING! Publishers to just accepted New Adult. Too many grown ass adults wanting to read YA and demanding “spice” (aka content meant to arouse which is fine if it doesn’t involve MINORS) and co-opting a space meant for teens so loudly and taking it over. But the barely legal age characters being vessels for grown ups (myself included, I’m 25 LOL) to enjoy sexual content is….a problem. Also; I totally thought those skits were suppose to be mocking the trope but apparently not if there’s a whole book about it😂😂
@h3llthing Жыл бұрын
The wild thing about all of this is that I’m pretty sure these skits are knock offs of a MUCH funnier, better written series about being an assistant to a super villain by Daniel Fox
@supuchan Жыл бұрын
Huh, I am again baffled by current book trends. I wasn't really interested in Assistant to the villain, but thanks for suffering through it! The TT skits looked...mildly amusing as an idea to me, but I don't get the whole "and he's hot" thing. I think I would be more interested in a sort of jaded assistant who just works there, because what can you do, we all need to eat - but only as skits every now and then. As a book, it sounds way to exhausting
@Financiallyfreeauthor Жыл бұрын
Imagine if the villain was the sunshine one, delighting in his work and the assistant was grumpy and jaded!
@jussalilguy Жыл бұрын
yeah on tiktok a similiar skit i've been following is the 'assistant to two serial killers' one where the assistant is kind of bad at her job at the start and the character development is that she gets better lol and the serial killers actually start to appreciate her even if she's kind of a klutz when it comes to covering up crimes. i don't follow it religiously but whenever it comes up on my fyp i have a good chuckle or two
@HellsPixie89 Жыл бұрын
I former cast mate (local theatre) has a tiktok series about being the mortal companion of death. I'm between wishing they had been the one turn their skits into a book and relieved that they didn't do it too 😂😂 Also, you're laugh is infectious that I can't help but smile myself. Thank you for the content!
@DarwinRoger8933 ай бұрын
That sounds like it's a good idea to turn it into a book. Makes me sad that this pathetic excuse of a book got published instead
@chance757 Жыл бұрын
i’m very intentional about not skipping through the videos of my faves, you being one of them mari… but those tiktoks were a no. absolutely not. i was double tapping before i knew it, i’m so sorry 😭😭
@mynameismarines Жыл бұрын
listen I understand. I did put THREE of them in there…
@Beach652 Жыл бұрын
Im here for your watching this imprint and trying to make sense of it, thank you. For an interesting book that looks at the collateral damage caused to regular people by heroes and villains, I recommend Hench by Natalie Zina Walschots - have you read that one? It's from the perspective of temp agency workers that heroes hire to run their operations - a pov I've not seen before.
@rookstory3 Жыл бұрын
I didn't realize Red Tower was that shady but I literally just saw that the preorder of the Fourth Wing sequel has bonus chapters!? Like in addition to the sprayed edges and the fact that they made it an "untitled project" on Amazon to get people to feel extra need for it is sooooo ... gross for lack of a better word
@lekha2578 Жыл бұрын
@ 17:23 does Marines say “the absolute la croix of a plot”? I’ve never heard the term “la croix” used. Am I spelling it right?
@mynameismarines Жыл бұрын
Lol, yes!! LaCroix like the drink, which is known for only having the barest hint of flavor.
@lekha2578 Жыл бұрын
@@mynameismarines omg lol that’s so good
@lulucool45 Жыл бұрын
nice! you got the spelling right in one without knowing the word
@lekha2578 Жыл бұрын
@@lulucool45 I knew of la croix the drink, I just didn’t put two and two together haha
@QueenOfMoggies Жыл бұрын
if ANY ‘working for the villain’ pitch was gonna work as a book it would be that blonde guy who did the ‘villain’s gay assistant’ skits imo bc those are actually funny, well-paced, have the assistant as unambiguously on the villain’s side and tonally consistent instead of having this naïve, sunshiney woman breezing through this immense torture lmao
@chrishedlund5751 Жыл бұрын
YA but "aged up and spicy"? Red Tower? Mama that's a Red Flag
@ashleylyon84 Жыл бұрын
I bought the book to support the author. I enjoyed her tik toks as they provided me with entertainment throughout lock downs. I enjoyed the book enough but I definitely won’t be continuing.
@heysara910 Жыл бұрын
THAT LAUGH at the end, I cannot. 🤣 I’m cackling with you, what is happening?! It’s like this is a weird vanity project for the CEO.
@LilyEvans1996 Жыл бұрын
The thing with Becky is she is actually cool. She really cares about her job. And I love that she doesn’t have to be “nice”. But she’s probably the coolest character.
@ariverdreaming Жыл бұрын
It definitely seems like this new publishing press is trying to create the most marketable and “viral” books as quickly as possible without checking the quality inside the cover. Their growing reputation will start to jam that short term strategy real soon I bet…
@annamichelle59 Жыл бұрын
Hench by Natalie Zina Walschots (pub Sept of 2020!) is the only thing I can think of whenever this book comes up. I loved Hench so much
@leightoningstrike6971 Жыл бұрын
Red Tower is giving me Zando project vibes. Zando's mission statement might as well be 'we publish podcasters half-baked books". Although Red Tower's CEO being the editor is beyond half-baked thats raw cookie dough gives you salmonella levels of undercooked
@croses511 Жыл бұрын
i've heard some loose inside publishing gossip (i can't verify it atm but i believe it!!) that yarros was hired to write fourth wing like an IP project, which makes me think red tower is more of a book packager than they're letting on? having everything personally edited by the ceo would make more sense in this case too -- nothing at all against book packaging or ip work! but i think that context makes this whole thing make a lot more sense
@Allison350864 ай бұрын
I did not know this started as a TikTok sketch but this explains a lot of the problems I had with this book. The characters and world are underdeveloped. The book gives you no reasons to support the Villain early on and you don't learn enough about the king to dislike him until the very end.
@spiderlegspinch9001 Жыл бұрын
This concept of a romance between the protagonist and a villainous man was essentially done, a long time ago, with Jane Eyer, and way better.
@heysara910 Жыл бұрын
Red Tower is a meme wearing a publishing house trenchcoat.
@moni6013 Жыл бұрын
i remember blocking the author bc i cringed every time she popped up on my fyp
@mynameismarines Жыл бұрын
Protect your peace 😌
@s.y.k.a1912 Жыл бұрын
Happened to me with Alex Aster😂 Her whole "I've been rejected 472847286372 times" whilst already published two books before... she ain't lying to no one lmao
@sao-me1lt Жыл бұрын
I haven't seen you laugh this much in a video, it gave me life. Esp the one after you mentioned the *CEO* was editing 💀Great vid & I look forward to hearing more of your thoughts on publishing trends
@Deiicide Жыл бұрын
I have been interested in both books, but my library has both! So will be renting both of them so will be able to tell if I like them. Thankfully since they are popular, at least they will have them and if I don't, I'm not out any money. Great Critiques
@mynameismarines Жыл бұрын
Thank you! Hope you have better luck with them than I did 😭
@TheAquamarine4 Жыл бұрын
I can’t get over how my initial thought when you described the premise was “oh so if the assistant doesn’t kill the villain to get their job then what’s the point” and from the cover i already knew that wasn’t going to happen because it’s such a comedy with light blackish purple and cartoon images so obviously it’s not going to take itself seriously at all:( so i mean i could probably write something more fun
@Thatdumbgremlin Жыл бұрын
You would HATE Starbringer. I managed to finish that beast and it was the first book I wanted to chuck at my wall.
@scroogemcduckrich9705 Жыл бұрын
Yes!! Glad to see you Marines!
@amychurch Жыл бұрын
Can’t wait for you to finish Star Bringer 😂
@mynameismarines Жыл бұрын
Will she ever? Send help.
@rose_and_thorns Жыл бұрын
Good sweet Lord, this has a 4.03 on Goodreads with almost 21,000 ratings. We are really living in the worst timeline.
@kimilynP Жыл бұрын
I'm almost completely convinced that Red Tower is doing something (probably multiple somethings) to inflate their ratings and drive hype. With this and Forth Wing it definitely feels inorganic to me.
@lulucool45 Жыл бұрын
WHO is reading this 🥴
@lilysmuck5637 Жыл бұрын
Red Tower is known for review bombing their new releases with fake 5 stars before they come out🥴
@mynameismarines Жыл бұрын
I have screen shots of reviews under Assistant to the villain that look like not reviews… and even knowing that, that rating is too too high.
@rose_and_thorns Жыл бұрын
@@mynameismarines Doesn't surprise me in the least. UGH.
@bicho6313 Жыл бұрын
I always side eye things that call themselves fluffy and fun but have SA. How is that light hearted and fun? Pick a lane.
@whiteraven562 Жыл бұрын
same with having lots of death. Like, how is torture fun and fluffy?
@Marie45610 Жыл бұрын
"La Croix of a plot" What a great way to describe a book. I haven't read this, even though the concept sounds like it could be good if written by a better author. Shame it ended up being bad. I think this concept would work better without a romance.
@slumbersdesire Жыл бұрын
YES, SLICE-OF-LIFE! That was exactly what I was thinking! This book sounds like it'd be a great short webcomic? I imagine it as a comedic / slice-of-life / office lady kind of story. A lot of the comments here seem pretty negative about the book? Never heard of it, the book or the series, and I don't intend on reading them, but I do read a lot of Korean/Japanese/Chinese manga/webcomics and this premise would fit right in. Since the LI has zero personality, having gorgeous artwork would be a good fit! Honestly, I would probably read it. Also the part about the CEO being the editor... I can only say: run away, Marines.
@kayri687 Жыл бұрын
whenever u post a video it makes my day!!!
@sophhnavarro Жыл бұрын
I'm glad you're looking into this, definitely shading publishing for subpar books...
@Financiallyfreeauthor Жыл бұрын
Why am I hearing so much about this one and fourth wing but I’ve never heard of starbringer? Was the marketing different for that one?
@ramalam98 Жыл бұрын
I am simply gobsmacked
@kaitrates Жыл бұрын
Mari it hurts too much to laugh but i can’t not when you do. NGL i wish i hadn’t bought this.
@ChrisBReadin9 ай бұрын
Yea after reading Assistant to the Villain and watching your review on both this and Fourth Wing, i think i can safely say im done with Red Tower books
@thgritic102 Жыл бұрын
I got this book bc of the skits on TT & thinking it would turn out like the manga Satan's Secretary. Giving it 2.5/3 stars bc my expectations for it didnt match what i was feeling when reading. Here's what SS was about. The FMC is more of a kuudere (cool yet loving) instead of a deredere (lovey dovey), but she has a personality of soneone who wants to reach the goal as quick as possible (corporate slave). Her boss, the Demon King, hired her to help rule the world, and comedy ensues bc he didn't expect her to work for him willingly (he basically kidnapped her but she didn't care as long as she's getting paid). Their contrasting personalities work well bc DK is serious but out of date w/ what's happenign in the world while she's serious and miss his terrifying words as opportunity goals (example, he & his demon team wants more "recruits" & she agreed to it but said she would have to be on maternity leave often, so she denied it as she cares for work more. DK was still stuck on her even agreeing in the first place 😂). So i was expecting this book to be almost like that where the humor relies on the villain being confused on how willful the sunshine is. Have sunshine woman be the villains fan & thats why she somehow found the villain & want to work for him. Have the villain be confused w/ how big his kill style is that he gained some nicknames that bugs him bc he takes his work seriously while True Crime people romanticize him. Have the second female character be the rational/straightman in this chaotic dynamic as she only cares for momey, so she facepalm & get upset when she can see the budding romance in front of her while VxS are love starved & dont know what to do. Have sunshine be a serial killer who's like The Praying Mantis where she kills men who are attracted by her "sweet & innocent" look instead of treating her like a human being, and she decapitates them. She found camaraderie w/ her new squad, but the villain is trying to figure out who she is bc she's being hunted down. 2nd fem knows FMC is the Praying Mantis, but stays quiet cause she finds MMC finding out to be hilarious. Have other villains look for her bc she has such a high bounty on her, so the villain protects her wondering why they're after her. Sunshine didnt go after billain bc he's the few men who treats her like a human being than a possession. The mystery revolves around each character. There's so much to do w/ these tropes & cliches, yet authors are barely even scratching the surface of it 🤦🏿♀️
@10283a Жыл бұрын
YAY! Another post!! I hope you have a great day.
@WildeBookGarden Жыл бұрын
There are SO many weird/icky things about the "YA but make it spicy", why are grown adults still doing that 😭 AND WHY IS THAT CONSIDERED A LEGITIMATE PUBLISHING STRATEGY. People are literally making money off this ick 😭😭 this kind of tonal dissonance you describe so well here is one of my LEAST favorite things, I hate it so much!! Either have a consistent tone, or use contrasting tones in a way that is effective and meaningful - don't try to tell me we're just here for a silly fun time and then throw a ton of awful sh*t into the story that you just ignore!! random, but idk if you ever saw that animated movie Megamind but from what I remember it did this vibe SO much better. The FMC wasn't the villain's assistant but she does eventually end up working with him - and I think his character arc/our understanding of the character was handled well AND the movie was also kind of ahead of its time in the way it showed how creepy and scary the whole unrequited love/incel thing can be (who is not the MMC just to be clear)
@nootnewt3 Жыл бұрын
Meh I think NA could have potential if these characters went through what people in their 20s go through, like your first full time job, actually being independent, what it means to be an adult. But usually NA just means YA romance but with smut. And I guess I’m just… not into YA romance anymore as someone in their late 20s? It’s just a bit too young for me. If I read a romance I want complex characters and actual bumps in the road.
@crystalsbookishlife Жыл бұрын
I had to fast forward through the tiktoks 😬
@mynameismarines Жыл бұрын
You aren’t alone 😂
@BreeKaitlyn Жыл бұрын
Honestly, I may be the odd one out in the comment section, but I did enjoy this book. I also think since I read it during a reading slump and didn't want to do too much thinking, this was a good book to read. I think the book had a lot of potential - sunshinexgrumpy trope (which I am such a sucker for LOL), the villain's family, the betrayal of Evie's father, and even the worldbuilding - but I feel like the author missed out on that and hopefully clears it up in the second book. The most thing I hated about this book was Evie LOL. I couldn't stand her as a protagonist. I also thought the writing was too simple, but since I read this during a time I didn't want to do much thinking, I actually enjoyed the simplicity of it. I'm an English major and sometimes I don't want to sit and analyze and figure out what the author is trying to say all the time LOL. I appreciate your review and it got me to think about a few aspects I didn't think would be an issue. Especially with the part about Becky - I did find it odd and horrible she was the only darker skinned character in the story made out to be the antagonist; I didn't realize it when I was reading it and went back to look. Thanks for another great video, Marine!
@solfell_ Жыл бұрын
this book seems like another project that's created more by algorithm than it is by a passionate creator who has an earnest story with nuance and interesting characters. it's more trope than story, which is extremely frustrating, because i feel like more and more books/movies/etc are taking queues from what gets the most attention, rather than what's actually good and meaningful art. ofc not all media needs to be meaningful or good, but it feels like the schlock is getting more than its fair share of the attention purely due to how profitable it is.
@bookishcreature8907 Жыл бұрын
Those TikToks are so…… tumblr. The type of posts I would like when I was 12 and really impressed with myself because I read books unlike other girls. God, I’m having horrible flashbacks now 😅 I studied book publishing at university and this project reminds me of the kind of research article I would write, analyzing the titles of a imprint that has a veryyy particular audience and what that says about our ~ society ~and the reasons people consume the types of stories they do. Good times. Anyway, looking forward to the future videos! Also, you look really pretty in this one 😊
@exomake_mehorololo Жыл бұрын
So why do people read these and what does it say about society 😅 I need answers I'm concerned
@L0rdOfThePies4 ай бұрын
Peak era Tumblr posts have a chokehold on current trends lol istg
@Tamya999 Жыл бұрын
I can’t lie I had to fast forward through the TikToks because I was physically cringing
@mynameismarines Жыл бұрын
That’s what I’m saying!! The humor was so hot for me that I was cringing through the whole book.
@legacyphoenixx Жыл бұрын
I haven't read the book, only seen a few review videos on it, but from the way its described I think it might've worked better as a "fantasy workplace black comedy" where the assistant is also morally bankrupt and completely head-over-heels for the big bad evil villain, who 1) actually does evil things on-page and in-focus, and 2) was like, an old decrepit undead necromancer or even a demilich-style floating skull, things where it makes functionally no sense why the assistant would find him so hot or even slightly sympathetic and that's the joke I like commentary and satire on popular tropes and trends in books on occasion, but this sounds less like an examination of why people are drawn to antagonists even if they are meant to be reprehensible (and sometimes even parallel/represent actual evils in the world) and more like the author acting "in on the joke" of recent fantasy NA/adult trends without really adding anything to the conversation. It's the same feeling I got while reading fourth wing before I DNF'd, so I guess this might just be what this publisher is already looking for and trying to build a brand around
@camillagilmore1547 Жыл бұрын
Your description of this book weirdly puts me in mind of the film Igor, with its sympathy for the villain theme and anachronistic use of language and setting, but Igor is a thoroughly good film with John Cusack, Steve Buscemi, Eddie Izzard and more. So I guess I'm recommending Igor to anyone disappointed by this book?
@MeMyshelfAndI Жыл бұрын
Everything was so shallow and simple and tropey and simple and did I mention how simple it was? I thought the prologue was pretty fun, but everything else felt like literally a middle-grade. I couldn't even consider it YA (putting in perspective with other MG & YA that I've read) Similar setup (apart from the romance) but YA and wayyyyyyy more aged up AND with social commentary-- I'd recommend Nimona. Skip Assistant to the Villain entirely.
@hbookreviews Жыл бұрын
I queried Red Tower for my debut book and was heart broken when they rejected it. 😢 But now I'm thinking it was prob for the best
@autumnmei Жыл бұрын
“The Morally Grey Fantasy Villain’s Personal Assistant” So…basically what Isaac and Hector were in Castlevania?
@Samthewise92 Жыл бұрын
Red tower books is the morphe of the book world and I will not elaborate. 😂 you should just know it’s bad and run.
@heysara910 Жыл бұрын
Morphe MAKEUP?! God, that tracks.
@Samthewise92 Жыл бұрын
@@heysara910 yes so much yes
@reaganh1038 Жыл бұрын
Would definitely love to see your take on the novel Hench
@amg304 Жыл бұрын
I appreciate you taking the hit and reading these books so we don't have to. Thanks.😊
@devlyn873 Жыл бұрын
OMG agreed.
@tthepageturner Жыл бұрын
Love your reviews and commentary! I have no interest in reading the book, but this was fun to watch 😂
@kir-is-here11 ай бұрын
15:13 “a block of wood” lolol a book podcast called Unresolved Textual Tension calls this type of flat love interest a “sad piece of toast” 😂
@hinaichigo5701 Жыл бұрын
This could've been fun if the villain was more on the lines of megamind. Imposible tho, megamind is not a villain.. is a supervillain 😂
@Sootielove11 ай бұрын
Ohh nooo.... the only woman of colour being the token "we hate the other female character for no reason" godddd. That trope sucks enough when it's the way these books characterise any other woman, but have some self-awareness, authors, please....
@Bookish.Ellyse9 ай бұрын
I saved this video until I could read the book myself. I never saw the TikToks which is probably a good thing or I would not have enjoyed the book based on what I saw in this video 😂 I personally had fun reading this because it was very cheesy. I don’t think it’s a great book by any means but it was fun. I do think the fancy sprayed edges and special editions have gotten out of hand so fast! I’m worried we will start seeing a lot more books that are just pushed out for sales because people do want the pretty books. I’m tired of buying one version just for another cool one to pop up 😭 Anywho really enjoyed your take!
@desireemclaughlin1455 Жыл бұрын
The reveal that the ‘editor’ of both of these books is the CEO?!?! I was not expecting that twist. I just went and looked up the authors of Star Bringer to see what else they’ve written, and one of them has a book called Blackmailed by the Italian Billionaire. Sooooo…good luck! 😅
@KewlImp10 ай бұрын
I haven't read Assistant To The Villain yet, but you mentioned the anachronistic especially in Fourth Wing pulls me out of the story so fast. Your characters use modern swearing, fine. At basic training I swore all the time (even though we weren't supposed to). Okay, that is fine. But the concept of a 'hot guy' isn't an old verbiage it's a new one. Like a baddie. That just bothered me. The language you use in your authorship matters. Got a fantasy world, create a swear, in my book its 'all above and below' or 'everything above and below'. It's very clearly meant to be a curse, most people would read it as a curse, and you don't sound like you're recording a tiktok, like a totally viral tiktok, like i'm-going-to-get-someone-cancelled-and-I-like-it tiktok. I'm down for smut/spicy but the rest of the story has to match. No plot/slice of life romance is fine. Just be honest and use the right language.
@AbiofPellinor Жыл бұрын
The LaCroix of a plot 💀💀💀
@marianamauricio Жыл бұрын
i know humour is very subjective but my godddd being subjected to those tiktoks you showed was a little painful oof i had to skip ahead 😮💨
@saraproblemhere5 ай бұрын
I just had to read this for a book club. I agree with most of your points, but am beholden to point out that the "good" character, Tatianna, is also POC. Not that it's easy to find out, because the author doesn't do a great job of describing her characters. You have to piece it together as you read.
@onarosebeam Жыл бұрын
I DNF'd Starbringer it was SO BAD
@mynameismarines Жыл бұрын
I’m for real for real struggling.
@AntheanCeilliers2 күн бұрын
When I first heard this premise I thought it was an erotic Despicable Me parody and that honestly sounds way better