Myth busting: do motorbike helmets have to be replaced after five years?︱Cross Training Adventure

[@crosstrainingadventure]

FURTHER NOTES, READING AND SOURCES: Many viewers ask me about the best brand. Or the best budget brand. With careful research you will probably be well protected with some cheaper brands. However, if you simply want the best it's hard to go past the Japanese brands, Arai and Shoei, for consistently great quality, durability and protection. We have no links with these brands. But if you can afford them, it takes all the stress out of wondering if you have picked a great helmet. Some riders have pointed out your helmet can have long term exposure to chemicals in some workplaces e.g. solvents, electric engines running constantly etc. Also keep your helmet away from gas/petrol when filling up, or any fumes in your garage. CAN DROPPING YOUR HELMET RESULT IN SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE? As per the video, the Australian specialists suggested this should not pose a problem if the outer shell is intact. However, we did have a UK viewer say they use a different range of tests (interferometry / speckle interferometry) which apparently show there can be damage to the EPS liner. I asked if they could provide results from any independent research but the relevant UK based helmet testing business understandably doesn't want to make their research public. WHAT ABOUT HEAT? What if you leave your black helmet in the sun for a few hours? EPS is very lightweight with very low thermal conductivity, its physical properties do not change with long term exposure up to maximum of 75°C. HELMET EPS FOAM LASTS A LONG TIME See this study. bit.ly/36au18M (bicycle helmet study but same EPS material) DO HELMETS EXPIRE? www.headsdontbounce.com/motorcycle-helmets/do-motorcycle-helmets-expire/ WHEN SHOULD I BUY A NEW HELMET? helmets.org/replace.htm SNELL'S LATEST STATEMENT: smf.org/faq#collapseFaqWhyReplace WHAT ABOUT THE OUTER SHELL? A study of cheap helmets in Vietnam found that sunlight did degrade the outer shell as these helmets are often exposed to sunlight for long periods of time. pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27586107/ Thermoplastic manufacturers are well aware of this problem, and add a stabilizer or inhibitor during the manufacturing process. In the first world, it's rare for our helmets to be out in the sun every day for long periods, and chances are our helmets are well treated with UV inhibitors... but it's still worth noting that we shouldn't leave our helmets out in the sun unnecessarily. AUSTRALIAN REFERENCES: Where Australian helmet experts are referred to, these are specialists at Human Impact Engineering involved with analysis, testing and design. They were instrumental in having Australia's antiquated helmet standard dismissed several years ago. www.humanimpactengineering.com/

[@frogzie]

smf.org/faq#collapseFaqWhyReplace: "Unused helmets stored in good condition do not automatically expire after five years. Replacing helmets every five years is a judgement call based on testing helmets used by the California Highway Patrol by Dr. George Snively." I've got a small issue there: hasn't Dr George Snively passed away in 1983 (may God have his soul). Isn't this 5-year expiration date actually based on helmet technology used 40 years ago?

[@kenbarclay6552]

@@frogzie Snell’s Gib Brown said, "there’s no way we can tell an individual how long his or her helmet will be good because the user is the only one who knows how a helmet has been treated". www.headsdontbounce.com/motorcycle-helmets/do-motorcycle-helmets-expire/

[@Showmetheevidence-]

Thanks :)

[@trevornugent9680]

Your a credit to the sport mate! You seem to be the only one calling out manufacturers for there bullshit. Keep up the great vids!

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Cheers, Trevor. Ryan at Fortnine has been doing a bit of myth busting too... but I think he has to be careful as he is the front man for a huge aftermarket sales mob. It's why I stayed unsponsored so I don't have to hold back.

[@tilled6695]

@@crosstrainingadventure You are making riders unsafe. The helmet rule is note their because of the helmet getting old, the technology inside the helmet is dated. but hey its just your head right? Its not like ECE or SNELL have shown how helmets degrade over time in sunlight or anything.

[@wyleb2]

@@tilled6695 link?

[@crosstrainingadventure]

I covered the technology argument in the video. Where is your evidence for your claims? I've researched the helmet standards and would love to see any mention of sunlight degrading the EPS with normal use. Bring out some factual evidence, please.

[@ropeysubstance1719]

@@tilled6695 you literally made this up

[@johnhunter8753]

Hey guys great video once again. I had my Shoei road helmet for 9 years before having a big off. It was scrapped badly on both sides and front and protected me 100%. After recovering from 11 broken ribs and 3 broken bones in my shoulder I went out and bought a new Shoei. Hope to have it for many years to come. 👍

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Can't go wrong with the Japanese lids, John! I reckon I'll be going an Arai X4 when my current adv lid is retired.

[@WoodysGamertag]

Great video but it's all about "need". It overlooks the fact that after 4-5 years I "want" a new helmet and the rule is just the excuse I'm looking for. :)

[@crosstrainingadventure]

I must admit just buying stuff is fun, especially if you can afford it! 😂

[@memoriam1868]

Very true

[@mimi1girl2dempsey3]

@@crosstrainingadventure Tyler Durden does not agree!

[@cliff8675]

I concur. My current 5 year old helmet still fits well and the liner feels just fine. However, three is a newer model with reduced wind noise thanks to a better aerodynamics and visor design and also there is an optional auto-darkening visor available on the new model. Commuting year round, I come home in the dark after driving to work (heading east) into the sunrise that morning. Better new toys, and no switching visors, completely worth it for me. That new helmet may get here this year, but it also may wait until next year, and "Ol' Faithful" appears to be fully capable of doing it's job during that time.

[@helmetinspection]

@WoodysGamertag ... nothing trumps "desire" 😂

[@secretsquirrel6255]

Great article!! I have an Arai Viper GT from 2009. After 15 years, condition is fine (no drops). Lining is also okay but needs a wash. The rubber nose cover has perished. After 15 years, I’m calling time and getting a replacement. Will be replaced with either Arai Quantic or Shoei GT Air 3. If I get another 15 years I’ll be a happy customer!

[@gurcanaba5004]

I've cut through three, brand new Shoei and one Arai helmet which all had been used over ten years. The only reason for change has been inner material wear. In terms of safety and comfort a 10+ year old, well aged Japanese helmet would be my first choice compared to other makes.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Same here.

[@twmclean1]

Thanks for the info. I have a perfectly good Shoei Neotec helmet that's 5 years old I was thinking of replacing based on the recommended guidelines. I felt such a shame to throw away what seemingly looks like a perfect and expensive helmet. With your info and other articles I read I opted to keep my Neotec and just replace the inner liner and cheek pads. Saved a bundle!! Thank -you very much, owe you a beer if you ever in Canada.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Glad the video helped, Todd! There is always the chance the latest Shoei helmets might have some newer technology but if the old one is still in great condition overall then I reckon I'd be making a similar decision.

[@super_dan_fpv]

I have an Arai lid that I bought about six years ago. I don't wear it anymore but it turns out that when I bought it, the helmet was already about seven years old. I later found out that Arai allow their helmets to be sold up to seven years after manufacture and will warranty them for up to 5 years from the date of purchase. That's 12 years from the date of manufacture that you could safely use an Arai helmet just following their own guidance.

[@RollWithSoul317]

I’m so happy that I came across this video and just subscribed to this channel!! I have an AGV K3 helmet with a manufacturer date of 08/2015. The helmet itself is in pristine condition but I will replace the cheek padding etc. for some new ones that are smaller and tighter fitting! I really like this helmet and paid a pretty penny for it at the time, and it’s never been abused in any way! After doing a careful inspection to the EPS liner, I have decided to continue to wear it safely and proudly in part due to your most insightful and informative video! It totally makes sense!Thank you! 👏🇺🇸😀👏✌️

[@ronanrogers4127]

Going on 10 years with my Schuberth C3 Pro, and it’s still like new. Even the cheek pads and liners are great. Very happy with this lid, especially as I wear glasses, and the modular flip up chin is über convenient. I do take care of it though, it’s not inexpensive p.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Personally I would have no issues with still using quality helmets like Schuberth, Arai and Shoei at the 10 year mark, Ronan... unless there had been some amazing developments with new designs that provided much more safety. And I think that's unlikely, the innovations to date seem to just be incremental.

[@christopherbiomass7155]

I'm wearing a 1 week old Arai Corsair-x. Because the local track requires helmets to be no more than 5 years old. My prior Arai is a 1999 Quantum/e , and is doing just fine. My prior-prior Arai is a 1989 Signet, and it is suffering from age. The clear coat over the white paint has yellowed some (not a ton). Impressively, the white plastic parts have not yellowed at all. The worst part is that one of the foams used in the padding (the lightest weight one) has completely disintegrated to dust. The leather-like covering on the neck strap is cracking and falling apart (not the neck strap itself). The EPS is intact, but notable brittle with firm pressure of a fingernail (not so much that it crumbles or falls apart). I also have a 2020 Shoei (wrong style for the track). And I recently threw out a 1986 Shoei - it was in similar condition as the 1989 Arai, except the plastic parts were VERY yellowed. I threw it out because I have not have the MC that matched it since 1990. Or maybe it was that nickel sized chip in the paint from an impact that it had.

[@ItalianStallion1415]

That Arai XD-4 is expensive and I don't want to replace mine EVERY 5 yrs. Thanks for confirming a suspicion I had of the longevity of the EPS liner. Its a great investment if you know it can potentially last a few decades.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

My brother just bought one on special, it was AUD$700. He'll be using it for at least a decade, providing he doesn't crash hard with it.

[@danielc5205]

My current street bike helmet is 15 years old. I'm not bragging, I know I should replaced it, but I've never wrecked with it and it's still in good nick.

[@yamkaw346]

With the original inner pads? My shoei started disintegrating it’s inner pads after about that long and leaving bits of foam in my hair.

[@iskinmind7020]

Mine has been used for almost 15 years. Colors are faded now, and there are scratches here and there. But internally, after a pad and a visor change, it is as new. Liner is perfectly fine as well. Got myself a new one a couple of months ago, but it is still in a box.

[@matsprite]

Thank you for the research regarding helmets! Because of your warning regarding rust on metal brackets I replaced my Airoh Dome C2 helmet. I used it for 4 seasons of supermoto riding and the metal brackets were heavily rusted. I washed my cheek pads and inner lining 2 times every season. Keep up the good work and best regards.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Glad the vid was useful! Which year did you buy your Airoh? Rusted brackets and even strap failures were occurring a few years ago, and Airoh refused to replace helmets where the strap failed within three years. 😒 I think at some point they changed to stainless steel brackets but they never confirmed this despite several emails to them. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rqKpmHyLgK13d6s

[@matsprite]

@@crosstrainingadventure Now that you replied i took some time to find old photos of this helmet and have remembered more info. I bought the Airoh helmet new around 2013 (don't know how long it was in the shop/warehouse) and used it for 6 seasons til 2019. I washed the cheek pads and inner lining 2 times every season. The problem was not the metal bracket but the rivet holding the bracket to the outer shell was rusting severely. Before this discovery I was satisfied with the helmet. It was an entry level helmet, nothing special. After this I changed to a Just1 carbon helmet, got it slightly used (it was new around 2016). I wasn't very satisfied because all the plastic parts were falling off or breaking. But when I crashed hard (highside on asphalt) it protected my head very good. Outer shell is cracked and broken, inner EPS foam is split in half and I only got a minor concussion. I inspected the brackets on this helmet and both are just starting to rust. Just like you said on the part where the strap is touching the bracket, hard to spot at first. My current helmet is a carbon Leatt GPX6.5 Carb V19.1. After around 5h of supermoto use i have to say it is a good helmet. The ventilation is very good, it has a feeling that it is made well and confidence inspiring. There is one thing that is bothering me, when I'm riding the helmet is making a sound. It is just like raindrops falling on my helmet. Don't know what is making this noise. That is all of my experience with motocross/enduro helmets. If you wish I can send pictures of the Airoh rusted rivets and Just1 rusted brackets. Love your independent journalism keep up the good work and best regards

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Hvala for the information! You can send the pics to [e-mail] The Leatt helmets also rust. A friend discovered heavy rust after 13 months on my Leatt GPX 5.5. 😒 kzbin.info/www/bejne/jH3Ndnujn5tlgrc

[@ianrichardson38]

I paid £1,200 for my carbon fibre helmet 5 years ago and I've worn it twice I don't think I'll be throwing it away

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Is that a Schuberth, Ian? I'd be keeping a helmet that expensive for a long time too. 👍

[@robkcra]

I appreciate the essay. For what it’s worth, I had a top end bicycle helmet that had similar design elements to our MC lids. I wore it for at least 10 years without exposing it to any impacts. Then my bike fell over when parked in my garage with a cement floor. The helmet had been hung by its strap onto the end of the handlebar. When the helmet hit the floor, it’s liner shattered like glass🤔🧐

[@crosstrainingadventure]

What about the outer shell of the helmet? A study of cheap helmets in Vietnam found that sunlight did degrade the outer shell as these helmets are often exposed to sunlight for long periods of time. pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27586107/ Thermoplastic manufacturers are well aware of this problem, and add a stabilizer or inhibitor during the manufacturing process. In the first world, it's rare for our helmets to be out in the sun every day for long periods, and chances are our helmets are well treated with UV inhibitors... but it's still worth noting that we shouldn't leave our helmets out in the sun unnecessarily.

[@ya33a]

Yes, if it's a sunny day, wear your helmet under a shade structure, you can build one over your bike, add a couple more wheels to stabilise it....errrrrr.....leave it in the box or in your backpack and don the Raybans for the wind in your hair feeling...

[@crosstrainingadventure]

@@ya33a 😂

[@Sixbears]

I once went way too long with a cheap open faced helmet. Decades of on and off use. It saved me from injury a couple of times. One day I woke up and realized I was just plan lucky and replaced it with a new full face helmet.

[@oso_nomada]

Every 5 years?? Groooooooss! I commute by motorcycle daily, year around. Soggy PNW winter rides, sweaty ass summers…commuting and jamming through the forest. My helmets get maybe 2-3 years of dedicated use and then they are relinquished to the “back up” bin, which is really a frivolous attempt to keep the “wall of noggin” strong 😁.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Sounds about ride with daily use... mind you, if I was using a Shoei or Arai I'd just get new cheekpads and inner liner at the three year mark and keep going!

[@valinhorn42]

The simple solution to get rid of that uncertainty is to crash every 5 years.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

On the dirt bike I crash every ride, does that count? 😂

[@SAFFmv]

I’ve always followed the 5 year rule because I was led to believe it was actually law. Damn, that means I’ve thrown out a lot of good helmets for no reason.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

I used to think the same thing... so annoying! Meeting our national helmet specialists six years ago has really opened my eyes when it comes to helmets.

[@reesfullmer1194]

I asked the Snell representative at the BMW 2021 MOA rally these exact questions. Her answers were (to my best remembrance) were that 1) the 5 year 'rule' had more to do with the shrinkage and matting of the inner padding, making the helmet effectively too large for the rider; 2) empty helmet drops, such as from the seat, don't come near the force loading needed to reject a helmet, and 3) she was unaware of any scientific long term studies testing the 5 year rule.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Good to hear, Rees. Very similar to what our Aussie specialists said. And I've seen a lot of strap brackets rusting in the enduro scene so I've added that to the list of things can be be a factor, especially on all the helmets made in China.

[@kuladeeluxe]

This means the great fittting Arai Signet I bought 20 years ago for Go Kart racing can come out of the closet where it has been sitting quietly. Probably has been worn less than 50 times. Thanks, Barry.

[@helmetinspection]

@crosstrainingadventure we have data to support the fact that dropping your helmet on the ground *can* cause safety-critical damage to a helmet. Around 25% of customer's helmets we've tested after a minor drop have shown to have structural integrity issues. In most cases, these helmets showed no visible signs of a drop, other than perhaps some minor cosmetic damage to the gel coat.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

I'd love to see the data, thanks... especially if it's independent rigorous research, published in peer reviewed journals. But if not, still interested and I'll include any relevant link in the pinned first comment for viewers. I relied on info from specialists at Human Impact Engineering involved with helmet analysis, testing and design. I'm very aware of needing to stay up-to-date with the latest research as things can change over time.

[@helmetinspection]

@@crosstrainingadventure we've emailed you 👌

[@ropeysubstance1719]

that's only for really cheap helmets. japanaese helmets don't crack on a drop

[@Jrockilla137]

the sound of my brain bouncing off my skull gives me comfort

[@crosstrainingadventure]

😂

[@STho205]

Agreed. Probably 10 years for recreational weekend riders and shorter for daily riders. I took apart an old Scorpion full face and the construction had a lot of gaffers tape holding upholstery in place and that same cheap spray glue the China boys and girls use to assemble Walmart shoes. The removable cheek pads were sewn, but the rest was taped and glued. The glue was peeling, and the tape had deteriorated after repeated rain and sweat. The igloo cooler shell was fine. So I would say the China name brands are likely squeeking and have loose parts and styrofoam after 5 to 7 years. I had a Japanese 3/4 from 1975. It was all sewn. The foam rubber is deteriorated powder under the cloth but nothing is coming apart.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

No school like the old school... the helmet experts I spoke to said the cheap adhesives failing is a common problem with many helmets not lasting so long now. 😢

[@JGKohlenberg]

I’ve used helmets 15 yrs or more, but helmet tech and comfort improve so much it makes sense to retire them much earlier and enjoy a new one. Great video!

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Agreed, probably the main reason to replace a good quality helmets eventually is simply because of new safety innovations...

[@joem5639]

I use an Arai Signet Q which was manufactured in 2011. Other than replacing the front facing top vents a few times the helmet is in excellent condition. I think I’ll continue to use it a few more years now. Thanks for the confidence.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Arai and Shoei are built to last from everything I hear, Joe. And at least one of them has a seven year warranty. The only thing I'd suggest is see if there are enough new safety features on the latest models to make it worth the upgrade. The new ones should have variable density liners now. And they might have some mechanism to reduce rotational forces etc.

[@wv4life375]

I’m still wearing my Imperial German spiked helmet (pickelhaube). When I’m not wearing it on the trail it still goes with my ass less chaps.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Awesome with a long black leather coat too...

[@wv4life375]

@@crosstrainingadventure ahhhhhh that would cover my ass. No no.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

😂

[@MK-sk2mi]

Don't forget ur leather vest with no shirt under

[@ntdscherer]

All chaps are assless. The things that cover your butt are called pants.

[@videosbruno]

If you're a heavy user good luck making it last 5 years. The price some brands charge for the inner liners you're better off buying another helmet.

[@jimfeldman4035]

That's assuming you can even find those liners. HJC is great about listing them, but try to find a company that can actually order. Even the "cheek pads" that are supposed to be available to customize fit, are like hen's teeth.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Good point. It's a real shame almost no one does long term reviews of helmets or covers the cost of inner liners. I remember buying a Suomy enduro helmet and the liner fell apart within two years... and the new liner was almost half the cost of the helmet! But then at other times we've seen the liners on cheap helmets last for ages. Go figure.

[@ioandragulescu6063]

@@jimfeldman4035 I should preemptively buy a set of liners for my rpha 70 and put them in storage.

[@jenschristensen1774]

@@ioandragulescu6063 The foam might degrade even in storage. I just got a new liner for my Shark Vision, as the old got too soft. It wasn't cheap but it was upgraded with air pump for an even tighter fit. Win-win! :o)

[@ioandragulescu6063]

@@jenschristensen1774 stored in proper conditions (normal temp/humidity/no sunlight exposure) in the original packaging, I think it will be fine for many years.

[@ShipyardWelder]

Still use my 13 year old Arai RX7 Corsair. I can't afford to buy another helmet now. It's still in great shape.

[@sevenrats]

I had read about this issues years ago and used my 2012 Bell Star until 2024, when I sold my bike. I also used a Bell Solar bike helmet for at least 13 years. There is absolutely no reason that EPS foam would degrade if you keep it out of the sun and away from chemicals. As far as the outer shell, it's made of plastic. It would take a million years for that to break down.

[@pmaly9473]

Old helmets are great for backyard pit bike racing where speeds are up to 15 mph and your head is only 3’ from the ground. For street cruisers, an old full coverage helmet is still better than a new half shell helmet for protection. If you are racing or just riding risky, wear a relatively new, undamaged good fitting helmet. Most bones will heal in good time, except possibly the skull.

[@OCDGarage875]

I still have my HJC motocross helmet from over 20 years ago, while it was never worn for long periods it still fits tight today. Now I only use it on my ebike.

[@garywinkworth3380]

hey another good laugh great info. I have an old nolan helmet ive had since around 1983 . Its had it . the outside is still in good nick but the foam interior is badly worn. I keep it only because ive had it so long. Its no longer safe now.

[@RoadsOfOz]

My trailbike helmet I use has been in service for over 15 years. But, The helmet is probably only used max. 4 times a year. It is kept in a cool, dry place and has had no significant impact. I check it for wear before taking my trail bike out for major rides. After each ride, I wash the removable liner. Been planning on getting a newer helmet, but keep putting it off. Maybe one day.

[@1Beetlegeuse]

Something to note that I recall reading years ago was not to place the helmet on the fuel tank at the servo after you've filled up. I haven't tested it but pretty sure petrol and the vapors dissolve polystyrene. Probably take a lot of fill ups for enough vapor to have any effect but something to keep in mind.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Very good point, Rupert. I don't how quickly solvents affect EPS but you do want to keep them at a distance!

[@theravedaddy]

My shift moto x shirt n jeans are 35 years old, the best fit out of all the modern stuff and still in 1 piece. The THH 22 year old helmet is still in great shape too. The gear sellers hate me.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Awesome! No school like the old school.

[@bluezhawg2104]

I replace mine when it begins to smell like a locker room. Despite my best effort’s hygiene wise that happens to be about 5/6 years.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

You don't wash your liners? For dirt riding, I wash the cheekpads and inner liner every three rides... probably about every 10 rides for the adventure helmet. Otherwise it just gets too unpleasant putting them on lol.

[@bluezhawg2104]

@@crosstrainingadventure Yeah I wash my liners all the time. It’s just 100 plus degrees Fahrenheit most of the year. The helmet I was referring to is my helmet used for commuting. Love your content and with any luck I’ll be visiting Australia in a few years.

[@kaosspear]

Had my agv for 7 years now still going strong only had to replace visor.

[@bkrashisbdelegs2763]

If Snell or ECE wants to thoroughly prove that the lifespan of the helmet is only 5 years, they can conduct an experiment for us at a very low cost, but they didn't do it. They just said that

[@SandraOrtmann1976]

I have not used any helmet for a very long time. Mainly because it took me some time to learn that you should not feel comfortable at the beginning, but that it should feel a tad snug. So as mine felt really good at the beginning, and as soon as the padding started to set, I could turn them on my head. Which caused pain at higher speeds. So I bought my current helmet with that in mind. I have been using it for three years now and have zero intention of replacing it. My husband's is now eight years old. I is a Shoei adventure model with carbon shell and shows no signs of failure.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Can't go wrong with the Japanese brands, Sandra. 👍

[@Kbailey4JC]

I ride 4 days a week with a more than 10 year old Schuberth C3 with the Schuberth bluetooth. Love it. It is still very quiet. It was tight when I bought it so now it is very comfortable but not loose. This year the slider for the top vent broke and last year the slider for the tinted shield broke off so maybe it is time for the C5 or Neo-tech 3.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Great to hear it's still going great. I'd love a helmet that quiet but in the sub-tropics ventilation is critical for a big chunk of the riding year so it's always a compromise between quietness and ventilation.

[@drewiliffe4855]

Every new helmet that I buy is better than the old one. My new helmet is quieter and the visor seals better in rain. I don't mind having the latest technology looking after my head/brain so I am comfortable in replacing it each 4 or 5 years. Some people ride every day while some ride twice a month. The liner/pads etc will wear so placing a time frame really is a difficult thing to achieve. The golden rule is never buy a second hand helmet as you can't know if it is damaged.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Five years usually sees a few innovations and improvements, at least with the better brands.

[@jamesdenton3692]

Barry ,perchance you might someday do a comparison on helmet ventilation. You can for sure sympathize with offroaders plodding along in 30C temps.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

We are always looking into cooler helmets, James! The problem would be sourcing helmets to do a test. Nobody seems keen to ever lend us bikes or products for reviews as we tend to be quite critical lol.

[@simonturvey1493]

11 years, shoei road helmet.reaplaced the liner after 8 years. Great fitting helmet.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Out of interest Simon, do they charge a lot for a new liner?

[@simonturvey1493]

@@crosstrainingadventure hi, it was a while ago, about 15 years, but the main liner was around $60 at the time. Pre online shopping for me, so had to wait for it to come to the shop. I imaging fif its a current model you'd get them in a few days like most things. Thanks for asking. Love your channel by the way. Lots of fun and info. Keep it up. A lot of people talk about it off line also. 🙂

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Sounds very reasonably priced at the time for Shoei!

[@gapexx]

@@crosstrainingadventure Have a similar long streak with my Neotec 1, use it nonstop for the past seven years. I changed the liner about a year ago but mostly because it was reallly dirty from a sweaty month long trip in Vietnam, not because of wear. I think the full liner, all parts included ran me about 100€. Not cheap, but the helmet is in great condition, perfect in terms of functionality and I have the expensive SENA intercom so I'm not really keen on changing the helmet. Besides SHOEI is a great product, I can see me using it for a couple of years more.

[@JamesVallois]

That's right kids run around with shitty skid lids. The only time you're going to find out how well they work is if you survive the off.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

There are inspections we can do though to increase the chances the helmet will do it's job. Make sure the strap, fasters, and brackets are all in good shape. Check the EPS liner has not cracked or degraded with exposure to chemicals or sunlight.

[@robzz9002]

Logical or not, for the sake of a couple of hundred every few years, I’d rather be safe than sorry. Overkill perhaps, but the contents of my head are infinitely more valuable than a few £ every few years.

[@yamkaw346]

If your buying lower end helmets for just a couple hundred then yea, go for it, it’s probably one of the cheaper ones prone to rust, and likely cheaper plastics and glue that will degrade. But when you’re buying the higher end stuff it’s much easier to justify new inner pads rather than a whole new lid

[@robzz9002]

@@yamkaw346 I don’t buy cheap helmets and the likes of Shoei and Arai can be had for £300-400. Like I said, for that money, I’m happy to replace mine every few years. There’s things that you can save money on, but protecting your head shouldn’t be one of those things. Amazes me that people would rather take a chance for the sake of a relatively small amount of money.

[@yamkaw346]

@@robzz9002 jeez here in the states helmets are a bit more than that, believe my last shoei was over $700. Still completely pointless to replace them after only a few years.. that’s like replacing tires very 500 miles or changing your oil every ride, absolutely no benefit. But hey will you send me your old ones? Would hate to be wasteful.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

BEWARE OF EXPENSIVE BRANDS DOWNGRADING! As a brand makes a name for itself, it can be bought out by multinationals and then they outsource production to cheaper countries. An example? The Touratech Adventuro helmet used to be a rebranded Schuberth helmet (made in Germany). Now it is a rebranded Nexxus helmet made in Portugal.... but the website still claims their helmets are 'made in Germany'. TOURATECH WEBSITE: "Since 'Made in Germany' stands for expertise and specialist knowledge as well as excellent quality, Touratech AG has been developing, designing and producing in southern Germany since it was established." 😒 ridermagazine.com/2016/02/03/touratech-aventuro-motorcycle-helmet-review/ www.webbikeworld.com/touratech-aventuro-traveller-carbon-helmet-review/

[@derekbender]

Fair play. Also check out the new FIM standard that Fortnine covered.

[@davehowe_just_an_old_dirtbiker]

I think if I hit my head hard enough to crack the helmets to let sunlight come through, my wife would throw the damn thing in the trash, and my bike too 😢

[@MatthewC137]

Then just get a new wife.

[@EricBanner571]

I have lots of helmets ranging from expensive shark and HTC to a cheap $70 Aldi helmet for dual sport use where it was subjected to lots of dust and dirt. They all meet Australian standards and as long as they fit your head correctly and have the features that you need, they are much of a muchness.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Ha, I bought the Aldi one when it was $65. Used it a crazy amount for years and it was still fine... just gave it away with a bike sale. Held up way better than some $500 to $700 helmets in our group.

[@miroslavresutik5867]

My Schuberth C3 Pro is over 10years old. Just changed the inner lining and scratched visor this year and it feels like new. I always invest in good helmet no matter the cost, it pays off in the long run

[@crosstrainingadventure]

It simply makes sense to buy an excellent helmet and simply use it longer. I'll be doing that from now on!

[@mickleblade]

About 15yrs ago ride magazine in the UK did a helmet test. They bought 4 of the cheapest polycarbs from hjc and drop tested them from 1m, 2m and as a joke 4m, to simulate an upstairs window. The 4th lid was a control. The dropped helmets were marked with their impact points, then tested on those points by a proper testing house. They all passed.... Hmmm. Perhaps that was more due to crap standards at the time.

[@Dom-nt4gn]

Interesting points made, can't fault the logic.

[@endurotruckererniedesjardins]

I have a HJC snowmobile helmet, I rarely wear, its from 2001. Butbits like brand new and it spends its life in a helmet cupboard. Its dry n cool n dark. My fox v3 Bubba Stewart is from 07. Its like new and I wear it always. Again its stored in a cool dry dark cupboard . When I find a new helmet I like, that fits good. I'll buy one. Till then its the v3

[@elwood62]

I bought into the myth and replaced more than one helmet long before I actually needed to.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Same here in the past, Elwood. Meeting our national helmet specialists six years ago was real eye opener...

[@jamesdenton3692]

Many racing formats ,moto and RR ect will not allow lids more than 5yrs old .Got a discounted Klim because it was shelf dated. Now more than 10yrs old fits beauty, no sign of damage after many many small thumps . Sometimes think about replaceing it but worry about "The New Crap".

[@crosstrainingadventure]

I wonder if they also specify which helmet standards are needed too, James? It's interesting because you might have a very expensive Shoei or Arai that is five years old, and you might be able to replace it with something very cheap and only DOT approved... DOT is a very antiquated study and a recent test of brands found many weren't even qualifying for that old standard. 😒

[@nickbenfell4327]

Proper storage and cleaning of helmets I think helps. My 7 year old Arai looks almost new, 2 year old Shoei and HJC helmets look as new. The Shoei and the Arai are great but expensive, the HJC cheap by comparison is uncomfortable and noisy. Do yourself a favour and buy a Shoei or Arai, look after it and it last many years.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

I think I'll be getting an Arai XD4 next, Nick.

[@wayward03]

Only vaguely heard of a "5 yr rule" and don't follow such a thing. I replace my helmets when they get damaged or or are significantly out of date.

[@chrisblanchard4938]

My Arai VX-Pro is 14 years old and I still use it. I did however ordered a new one, i thought it was time. It has been a great helmet and I had to replace the padding once.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

If I splashed out on a premium Japanese brand I'd use it for at least 10 years, Chris. But I'd probably replace it not long after as I'm sure there'd be some safety improvements on the next model... just my personal opinion. I'd certainly keep the old one as a backup if there's nothing wrong with it.

[@Amiryunis]

theoretically the outer shell and eps foam can last long, but what about the straps that hold the thing to your head? aren't they wear out from use and become brittle and might snap at the d ring or the buckle? isn't it the same rule that goes for racing seat belts and car seats for baby's? personally i will change the helmet after 5 years or sooner. safety is #1 priority!

[@crosstrainingadventure]

I've never seen a strap fray or wear out, Amir. Maybe it can happen? I did see a Fox children's mx helmet strap come undone after three rides, but Fox helmets are generally the worst of the worst.

[@KLRmurdercycle]

Hard hats have bs expire dates as well. If you weren't crushed it still should be good. I have a... 90s HJC clx2 helmet in great shape but missing a vent from a roll off of a chair. 2000s Zoan mx helmet in great shape, was during my learning years. 2000s Gmax dualsport helmet, heavy junk. Speed And Strength dualsport helmet, replacing the Gmax crap. Washed several times and probably 70k km in it. In great shape still. Also SS shell is shared amongst other manufacturers around the $250-300 range. Icon Variant with the Totem graphics, couldn't resist. Great fitting and you can wear goggles in them by lifting the shield sides a bit and sliding the strap under. The only thing is after a year the shield has deteriorated quite alot, even with soft cleanings. Time for new shield which is disappointing considering it was a $500 buket.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Always a shame when a good helmet is spoiled by a cheap visor 🤔

[@erikjensen6503]

Have used a few over five years some much less as they were of questionable quality and started falling apart (good name brands cheaper models) i fell in general a good Helmet from a reputable manufacturer in the mid price and higher of their line are worth the investment. Also agree to check in out and bin as required! Thanks for the info

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Out of interest, which ones tended to fall apart quicky Erik?

[@teatowel11]

I've had an Icon for 3 years. The press stud that hold the extra chin strap corroded and check off within a year. Brittle peak has been broken from being dropped. Cheak pads are worn. I might be still safe but it's scratched and ugly ad hell so I'm replacing it. I'm getting an arai this time and will take better care of it.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Rust within a year would make me very dubious about the helmet overall... even if it's a non-critical part. I'd always be worrried about where else they are cost cutting.

[@hudbenz1]

About 2 or 3 years. One of our riding buddies is an ER doctor that has been one for 30 years again I don’t know why he’s been doing it for so long but he took my helmet and x-rayed; it was beyond messed up cracks beyond belief throughout and I was just running single track just falling here and there In my opinion was a little force. Yes the doctor of my friend isn’t a helmet expert, and but just from looking at the x-rays he concluded that it could pose severe problematic issues in the future. I never thought that just dropping your helmet could pose such a great issue but also with small bumps throughout the trails can add up to a significant decrease in protection.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Interesting, Hudson... normally impacts don't crack the foam, they compress it. I was told cracks are likely with exposure to chemicals or sunlight. I'll have to get back in touch with our resident helmet gurus and see what they say.

[@pilotdane1]

My helmet is 5 years old now. Was fixin to get a new one because of what I've been told by many people actually. May put that off for a wee bit. Gonna have to ponder on that one.... Thanks Barry !!!!!

[@crosstrainingadventure]

My adventure helmet is six years old now. Everything is still in good shape, EU standard-approved, it's had no hard knocks, it was even one of the first ones to have the variable density liner... I reckon I'll use it for a few more years yet. 👍

[@ryunruly1227]

Was cleaning out my one season in Leatt helmet and noticed some superficial surface rust on the brackets. Barry, in your research have you found the same problem with helmets not made in China, like Shoei and Arai??

[@crosstrainingadventure]

As per the latest update on our enduro channel, not a single case with any Japanese helmet... and some have been using their Shoei or Arai for up to 20 years and the brackets are still shiny (pics sent to me). kzbin.info/www/bejne/qZqsqaGJoKlreLM

[@mickalbatross4883]

Replaced my Shoei RF900 after 26years with another Shoei only because the lining was deteriorating. I tried to purchase a new liner but was told they stop making them when they stop making the helmet. Living in the outback I rarely ride my road bikes and never in the rain. Motocross helmets 5 to 10years if I'm lucky. Currently using a Fly. Joining the DR club some 4 yrs ago my Bell adventure helmet is still in good condition. I'm led to believe WA road rules require replacement at 10 years but haven't confirmed this.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

I'd be interested to hear if there's a 10 year rule mandated in WA, Mick. I haven't heard of any of the states having laws like that but then I haven't gone looking for it either...

[@gpaull2]

5 years?!?! You’re supposed to replace a helmet after each crash...I’ve never been able to make one last even half that long! 😜

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Well it depends if the helmet had a big impact in the crash... as per the vid, our national specialists reckon they need a really solid hit before you might have compressed the EPS foam.

[@ride4life_motorlifestyle]

I use my helmets maximum 7 years since i have 2 types of helmet i use depending on the ride, also have 2 bikes. I ride 30 to 40.000km per year all year round, slightly more than the average rider. When the padding is worn i don't change the padding but buy a new helmet. Padding in good helmets have a better lifespan than the cheaper ones and i think my head is worth it changing the complete helmet once in a while. Over time helmets do improve with better ventilation and/or less weight.

[@mojoriden]

year 7 on my shoei x2. just about ready to get some new inner liners. They have replaced a few of the pinlock tabs at no charge. excellent helmet over the years. no way did it need replaced at 5 years.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Do they charge much for the liners? I'll probably get an Arai or Shoei next and I'd definitely plan to use it for at least 10 years and just replace the liners as they get worn.

[@mojoriden]

@@crosstrainingadventure about $100 for an entire reline.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Hmmmm. Not too bad, there are cheap brands that charge the same...

[@markmiller7103]

Thanks for telling the truth and not tying to sell us something.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Our pleasure, Mark. We are regularly horrified at how 'influencers' are using their vids to promote crap and get rich. We'll stay poor and try to be a critical voice in the industry. 😁

[@transdetendal]

i have now used the same helmet on off since 2009 and only bought a new couse i had helmet lift at 130+ kmph, the new shark d skwall was 5times more expensiv but have same issue so now im trying to find a remedy to helmet lift

[@scoobytunner]

My dad bought me an (HJC HJ-09) helmet when i got my motorcycle permit at age 14. I used it about 70% of the time for 14 years ( i can ride without a helmet in my state). I rarely use it anymore since i sold my sport bikes and went dual sport (adv/dirt helmets now), other than a bunch of nicks in the paint from droping it on the ground it is in perfect shape. Not bad for an 18 year old helmet. I think it was $150 at time of purchase.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Yep. That helmet will still be functional and protecting you quite well. Some of the new safety features on modern helmets will probably protect you a little better, but we don't really know by how much...

[@scoobytunner]

something is better than nothing lol. believe it or not, it is snell rated and the drag strips still let me use it on the track. They have turned away friends with dot helmets that were 5 years old.

[@FourIntoOne]

Do helmet sanitisers and spray on/in deodorisers constitute "chemicals" ? Obviously these can come in to contact with the EPS liner.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

I think that could be risky. Even fuel fumes when filling up your bike can be bad apparently, if your helmet is near the fuel tank.

[@endurohusa2271]

I used my Axo helmet for well over 10 years No rust on the buckles after 25 years and original liner Purchased it in the mid 90s and still have it

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Always good to have them around as a spare. For years I had an old helmet that only cost $65 lying around... I'd just use it when there was an issue with my fancy one.

[@jassaw]

Are used to write sports bikes, and just now after 16 years purchase a cruiser. I will be using my almost 18 year old helmet.

[@_ldm_3501]

It's simple. If the outer shell or inner EPS has a dint, worn area (from sliding for example), sits out in the elements or has a crack then bin it. If your helmet is old(ish) but in good condition and you have no other option then it is better than nothing. If you are not comfortable wearing it, then hold off riding until you get a new helmet. It's your head and your choice.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Sums it up 👍

[@jmc6659]

Im still using my Shoei rf1100 from June of 2010 I have replaced the cheek pads and shield ratchet mechanism still a perfect helmet.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Yep, if I shelled out for Shoei or Arai (and I probably will next time) I'd be using it for at least a decade.

[@theravedaddy]

'Letting sunlight through' My 17 vent holes in my LS2 just entered the chat...

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Only 17....? lol

[@theravedaddy]

@@crosstrainingadventure yup, i actually get sun burn wearing it....in hexagonal spots through the vents!

[@Gg_gorilla_bikes]

@@theravedaddy baldy!

[@theravedaddy]

@@Gg_gorilla_bikes yup. Whats your point?

[@peterjames1596]

Ive done lots of helmet research and I’d have to say I agree with pretty much everything in this video.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Thanks Peter! I've had a few guys disagree and I'm always keen to hear their evidence as I'll take the video down if I'm definitely wrong.

[@Showmetheevidence-]

I heard 7-10, but just 5… wow. Glad you myth busted this!

[@crosstrainingadventure]

At least one of the Japanese brands has a seven year warranty, so they are clearly expecting the helmet to be used longer than that in most cases. But when we look at the rusting strap brackets on some of the Chinese made brands (and these often aren't cheap helmets!) you might only get one or two years before the rust has kicked in. 😒

[@Buckarooskiczek]

Had a Bell Star for five years until a roommate’s girlfriend’s dog ate the insides out… As a result, a friend gave me his old Bell 500 which was about eight years old. Wore that for 10 years before it rolled off a cliff and off into the Arizona desert…Got another open faced Bell after that…can’t remember the model but it was another 10 years with that. Got my HJC in 2011 and it’s still perfect but I take very good care of it and may consider another modular type soon…

[@crosstrainingadventure]

No doubt this is a dog that eats homework too? 😂 I figure that was probably when Bell helmets were still made in the USA? They are all made in China now and we do hear reports of rusting brackets here and there. 🤔 HJC seems to be a good brand, have heard no complaints at all.

[@Buckarooskiczek]

@@crosstrainingadventure yes, I got my Bell Star in 1973 for something like $60, when I worked at Vetter Fairing Company…which I believe eventually was bought by Bell before they went Asian. (BTW, that dog added insult to injury by shitting on my bed…🤬)

[@jbreathe]

I don't go by the rules unless my helmet is too compromised..nice research..thanks :)

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Good approach I reckon... and even Snell admits it shouldn't be a 'rule' but more of a guideline.

[@RawSpeed2311]

I think the age of the helmet is much less of a concern than the condition, internally and externally. Most folks also don't realize there are a number of standards that helmets are manufactured to with higher standards costing significantly more (think motoGP costs and risks). I have only had one minor 10 kmh ground slide in 40 years of riding with no helmet graze but have never been able to afford a top shelf helmet. My reasoning is the helmet should not cost more than the bike and if the impact is so significant to damage the helmet badly, then maybe I don't want to be around to see how badly the rest of me fared. I'm more worried about a broken neck than a skull fracture and death simply isn't a concern for me (it may be for those around me). I only replace my helmets when either the lining and visor need replacing and often that is more cost than a new helmet. I have never damaged a helmet other than very minor handling scratches and once replaced, they get mounted in my trophy room (except I still use the occasional old one for karting). I rate helmets on fit, comfort, noise, ventilation and vision, comms mounting and lastly fogging. For non-accident conditions, helmets make the whole experience safer (bird and debris strikes) and enjoyable and keeps the bugs out of my hair. LOL.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

It's interesting to hear you didn't even graze the helmet in your one accident, Cam. When dirt riding, I've come off the bike hundreds of times, almost always at low speed. I can only think of four situations where my helmet actually hit the ground. Only one was hard enough to just daze me for a few seconds....

[@DerpEye]

I have two identical Schuberth helmets, the oldest being 2013y model. I've replaced the lining and it looks like new. I mean, you would obviously change a helmet in 5 years if you were to use it daily or commuting.

[@yamkaw346]

Why? I commute in mine for the last 5 years, still looks and feels new, why replace?

[@crosstrainingadventure]

It will come down to the quality of the helmet, I guess. Some cheaper helmets will have the cheekpads and inner liner falling apart, or at least getting compressed, from that much daily use. If you can buy replacements then that's fine. But often the cheaper brands don't sell replacements. Once you lose that firm fit, there's a danger of the helmet rolling off your head in an accident.

[@Zeggawong]

None of my helmets have lasted 5 years... AGV started to rot and foam was crumbling, Nolan fell apart, Shark was the worst pads degraded and helmet became too loose and visor wouldn't stay put, hjc rpha 11 strap is fraying and cheekpads won't stay in... Should say Rpha 11 is still best helmet by far of any Iv had just with the cheek pads wouldnt come out everytime i take my helmet off. So comfortable, cheek pads haven't compressed at all and easily the quietest helmet with the best ventilation.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Was that with a lot of use, Jenkins?

[@Zeggawong]

@@crosstrainingadventure Only a couple of days a week.

[@derf9465]

Had my last AGV grid since 2012. Replaced it last week. The pads had compressed and the fit was rubbish. Other than that, it was all perfect. Replaced with a shoei NXR should last me another decade.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Out of interest, do AGV sell the pads Johnny? I'd be replacing it at the nine year mark too, but just wondered if they were available in case the pads had worn out faster...

[@markhenry192]

I have a couple of Hedon helmets, quite pricey and too pretty to bin after 5 years. Good to know I don't need to. Thanks

[@got_to_roll]

I am very fond of a good value and saving money. I'm also fond of brain function. I own 2 Shoei helmets, GT-AIR and Neotec, both about 5 years old and I'll replace liners in them if need be. Very much worth the money invested!

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Can't go wrong with Japanese helmets, Todd. 👍

[@got_to_roll]

@@crosstrainingadventure No room for poor quality or a bad fit in your helmet.

[@mikeprevitera5839]

I had a helmet last 6 minutes once. On the second lap at a track day I opened up the throttle too much too soon.

[@cliffw5061]

my Krios is about 3-4 years old... Still fits, still feels and smells good. I'll keep it a while

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Good to hear, Cliff. I know quite a few guys had issues with earlier models and some felt it was overpriced, but sounds like yours is fine.

[@cliffw5061]

@@crosstrainingadventure It was pricey... but the lightest Adventure helmet at the time. My neck likes it.

[@robertdavey319]

Great video I've never followed the 5 year rule but when the liners break down then I do, I need to replace the liner in one of my favourite designed Shoei helmets, where can I buy the liners? Can you do a video on liner replacement?

[@crosstrainingadventure]

It is a shame some brands don't replace liners, and then those who do often charge crazy prices for them. I don't think I'd do a vid though Robert, it should be easy finding the info. And a vid would probably be out of date after a year or two and then be providing incorrect info.

[@cruellordsoth]

Had a lid for 6 years the sun had slowly changed the colour of it over time decided to get the same Lid again just a newer version but it was half a kg lighter and had MIPS

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Always a good reason to update... often they'll have some new safety feature built in. 👍

[@charliedillon6319]

I used to replace mine after 3 years. This was more to do with the fact that riding motocross you tend to bang your head more. But really it’s like getting a new car 😂 you get bored of the look after a while and want to change it up and get all the benefits at the same time.

[@skyking228]

I have a 7 year old $400.00 Schuberth modular helmet still in the box. Thought I was going to have to toss it... Thanks!

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Good quality helmets from what I hear. If the inner liner is still in good condition and it fits snugly... thumbs up. Also I'd check the brackets anchoring the straps. One Suomy dealer said he had two new helmets on display and these somehow rusted heavily over two years - never used and inside the shop! But I'm sure Shuberth will use quality stainless steel or similar.

[@skymningforelsket1302]

It's like the shampoo bottles that instruct you to "wash, rinse, repeat." To sell more shampoo b/c you keep washing your hair over and over like a yutz. I think on a good quality helmet with a fiberglass shell, you could just keep rebuilding the inner liner and replacing the visor, and use it indefinitely.

[@martin72345]

My dad rides an XS1100, its a 79' model and I swear his helmet is just as old. No visor. No liners, just EPS and hard shell. I gave him a newish old one of mine and stole his Lego man lid. I did this long enough for him to get used to his new/old helmet of mine. before returning the Lego man lid. An extreme case. (lets just forget for a moment what he spends on bicycle gear)

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Classic! 😂 I'm glad you got him to bin the old lid, Martin. If the EPS was in good condition he would have still had some protection but damn, that's an old helmet!

[@skymningforelsket1302]

If the old man made it that far with what he was doing, why not let him alone. He must be doing something right lol