Mythology Expert Reviews Greek & Roman Mythology in Movies (Part 1) | Vanity Fair

[@keirarcher4091]

“Great bisexual army” 😭 never thought I’d hear that statement ever

[@hannibalb8276]

@Seanus Patricus Why do you think it's untrue

[@CrisSelene]

@Seanus Patricus check this guy out, he thinks he is more informed than an actual professor of classics. Anonimity on the Internet really is a heady drug, huh?

[@aesir1ases64]

"serious scholar" .....

[@marcosduran4169]

Then you never heard of Thebes sacred band which was made of 150 male couples

[@lordseaworth6055]

@Seanus Patricus Any sources? If you claim something please provide evidence

[@Blokewood3]

In Wonder Woman, the enmity between the Amazons and Ares is somewhat ironic, because in mythology Ares seems to have been a major patron of the Amazons. The Amazon queens Hippolyta and Penthesileia were daughters of Ares.

[@merry_christmas]

Wish they'd explored that in the second movie, rather than ruining the impact and strength of the first.

[@khartog01]

I just want an explanation on how he killed all the gods. how did he kill Heracles or Athena?

[@anneliesgemma]

Yeah, whenever I watch WW I always get bothered by that.

[@alm2187]

We may prove a trend of Black Panther and Wonder Woman writers ripping each other off. How far back does that date?

[@Blokewood3]

@@alm2187 What does Black Panther have to do with any of this? I'm not even sure why the expert talked about it. It has nothing to do with Greek Mythology, and in the film, Wakanda is clearly in central Africa, nowhere close to the Mediterranean.

[@acaciaramey1215]

Hades is so misunderstood - only Greek god who ever did his job; didn't impregnate a bunch of chicks, was in fact faithful to his wife that he loved (that the other gods had to shift the cosmos to make that romance happen), and actually ferried souls, etc. He's really not a bad dude.

[@that_heretic]

Same with the Devil in the Bible. Lucifer isn't the bad guy of that story...only the antagonist. Those aren't the same things.

[@kittimcconnell2633]

Not quite faithful, he did have an affair with Menthe. But very misunderstood nowadays; he was not evil. And he didn't trick Persephone; every woman of that culture knew that a man offering her a pomegranate was a marriage proposal, like now if a man were to kneel and hold up a ring.

[@acaciaramey1215]

@@that_heretic Very well said.

[@bigmonkey1254]

@@that_heretic Uh, Satan attacked God (a very dumb plan to those who know the being) out of jealousy over not being the best thing to exist. When he failed, immediately began to attack God's favorite creation out of spite, twisting the being into the most self-destructive animal imaginable. Satan is a villain. He does everything we imagine of villains and worse. It's best to not associate Hades and Satan at all. Hades is effectively an immortal human who tends to dead souls. Satan is a spiteful, violent being dedicated to deception and corruption in all forms.

[@BettyMareeHOHCountry]

Hades and Madusa is misunderstood.

[@musicophrenia]

Shield called "hoplite"....yes professor

[@eggymayo3271]

The absolute reach they made this guy do to get black panther in here 😂😂

[@MW_Asura]

The f*ck does Wakanda have to do with Greek and Roman mythology 😂😂He made a huge reach to try and link those together

[@LeftJoystick]

Ah Wakanda, the story written in the…checks notes…1960s by two Jewish Men… Hmm.

[@imaginalex5850]

Lets remake history by reading Fairy tales.

[@mekingtiger9095]

The world post 2016 has been an utter disaster.

[@acktuwally]

​@@mekingtiger9095 I would go even further and say post 2008. Middle name Hussein.

[@renwigley9721]

Would love to hear his thoughts on "Troy" the movie, and how that fits in with other interpretations of Achillies and Petrocles

[@MoxHex]

I hear they were roommates.

[@Gemstones1000]

@@MoxHex they. Were. *_Roomates_* .

[@jasonofathens2254]

Patroclus

[@KS-xk2so]

I'm pretty sure the original texts were actually unclear on their relationship. Later telling's had them as lovers, and then not again, based on what was the social norm at the time.

[@platosfriend]

@@KS-xk2so Yes, the original Odyssey never explicitly describes them as lovers, but it does describe them as extremely close. It’s not a stretch to imagine they were lovers, was quite common and accepted in Ancient Greece.

[@chrisjarvis2287]

Just watched Metatron over on his channel call this guy out on all the lies in this video. it was amazing.

[@lorddiethorn]

Same

[@Honestly_take_the_hint]

Likewise

[@E_Proxy]

Idem

[@Hawk999]

Yup!

[@alessiosem2238]

Me too, i was unaware of this new yorker dem spreading lies over roman and greek history to bend it on spreading his political agenda.

[@MalikIshtarSama]

oh Metatron destroyed this guy

[@killgoretrout9000]

it's easy for an internet grifter like him when the tenured and published Professor has no chance to respond.

[@eagle162]

​@@killgoretrout9000not even a big fan of his but he has no chance to respond because he is an idiot.

[@corneliusdobeneck4081]

Pretty much ... and he doesn't even point out everything wrong ... wait, that should be a video: "Everythng wrong with the Vanity Video". Count should be pretty high.

[@jonv8177]

​@@killgoretrout9000 You do know Metatron is a published historian, & a teacher as well? He also happens to be a person of Roman decent.

[@SnakeOmni]

cope

[@wes9809]

The fact this has 62k likes shows he fooled 62k people (or bots). I'm only here thanks to Metatron pointing out all his lies w/ actual sources.

[@joemadden4160]

Myself as well.

[@airconditionedrelco7099]

kinda sad people listen to these frauds and believe what they are saying without looking into it

[@Greenham6603]

Me too

[@RyanG0899]

Same here. Glad this clown is being called out on lying about history.

[@kostaspassias3815]

It's easy to fool people when they want to be fooled. Videos like this play to people's confirmation bias. They want to believe that their ideas actually existed all along so that that they feel vindicated in their insane worldview.

[@henryskalitz9094]

Many of the things he said are wrong and have been debunked. He also let his politics come through instead of just being neutral about the history.

[@Blue-Lights]

This is MYTH - ology?

[@Valehass]

His politics was front and foremost, probably why he's employed in the US education system.

[@hannibalb8276]

@@Valehass you people are beyond stupid

[@TimesUhave2BA_radicalintellect]

just because a white person says "this is not true" does not mean that it has been debunked

[@beetheking_7]

Explain what was wrong lol

[@AD-df5tm]

It's funny how Sparta has become this idealized place in modern times because it fully would have suuuuuuucked to live there haha. I remember in one of my college classes on ancient Greece some classmate asked if there is a modern equivalent of Sparta and the professor spent the next 10 min or so breaking down how, yes, there is a modern equivalent and it's called North Korea. lol

[@vanyadolly]

It's the same thing with Vikings. One of the most tolerant societies with extensive freedoms and rights of women is now idealized as some kind of ultra-matcho utopia.

[@connorconnor7536]

Actually the spartan women had more rights than the athenian democratic women, and they were more respected

[@thetruerift]

Never forget all the slaves that actually made Sparta function.

[@blkcasper392OG]

😂😂😂

[@shykorustotora]

The funniest thing is that 9/10 people who think "Yeah, I would have been a badass Spartan!" probably would have died during the Agoge and never made it to adulthood :P

[@Jompabompa]

Its sad that people actually believe what this guy is saying, he is lying and he knows it.

[@kueapel911]

"Oh finally, I got into the spotlight with a position of authority. Quick, what must I do? Lie for my causes ofc."

[@cody0126a]

He’s an absolute moron and an ideologue.

[@tctyt]

Blatant Historical Revisionism, endorsed by the state and it's woke ideologues.

[@gigasipke]

Yep he's an absolute joke, check out metatron for the corrections.

[@javiernavarro8936]

hes paid for that

[@petrilofberg1758]

What does black panther have To do with greek and roman mythology?

[@MoneyB-r2y]

Listen. ....then learn

[@samuelpereira3856]

@@MoneyB-r2ylisten to this video and you will become 10x dumber 😂

[@panayiotisladas161]

​@@MoneyB-r2yit has squat to do with it.

[@gampie13]

@@MoneyB-r2y aka blindly trust a liar

[@jamesj.mccombie5031]

@@MoneyB-r2y listened, still none the wiser, but I didn’t do the amount of reaching you and the “prof” did.

[@25taylor91]

This fantasy movie based on a comic book is not accurate. Omg no way 😂

[@lorddiethorn]

Yeah what an waste not to mention there were of an ton of other issues

[@him050]

It’s also not mythology - it happened 😂

[@mikepjersey]

​@him050 well sure some of people were based on real people and the battle happened but the aesthetic and storyline are based on the graphic novel. Pretty obvious they took liberties.

[@apokos8871]

the shield is called a Hoplon, not a Hoplite. Hoplite means "soldier that carries a Hoplon"

[@NefariousKoel]

I can't take this guy too seriously after some of his takes in this video.

[@djehuti3]

the shield is called an aspis. Hoplon means gear in a general sense.

[@apokos8871]

@@djehuti3 aspis and hoplon are used interchangeably to mean shield

[@Shippo28]

@Seanus Patricus right!

[@marxwasright25]

@Seanus Patricus why

[@Constantine-316]

An activist pretending to be a professor

[@valuedCustomer2929]

Modern academia

[@larymcfart4034]

​@@valuedCustomer2929 Critical pedagogy is making every degree look more and more useless. To think that STEM is being parasatized by this nonsense is astonishing to me...

[@Gabeconstantinemusic]

He’s also an ignoramus pretending to be an expert. And an outright liar. What a great service to mankind, re-writing history to suit your own personal beliefs.

[@guitarjym]

Well said.

[@chrisrenthlei821]

For real, just a lib fanatic

[@timelesswisdom.]

The snake on a stick is the rod of Asclepius a god of medicine

[@DefenestrateYourself]

2 snakes = Caduceus. 1 snake = Asclepius

[@Ostsol]

Greek and Roman mythology. Black Panther. What?

[@raukoring]

Political activism

[@randomname9502]

@@raukoring specifically post-modern / post-marxist mental derangement.

[@alphagerudo]

Dude married a black woman 😅😅 Desiree Sanchez

[@TimesUhave2BA_radicalintellect]

@@raukoring the greeks themselves said they based their gods on african gods... there are parallels between greek gods and african gods and the african gods predate the greek ones.... cope harder lil bro

[@ChiquitaSpeaks]

⁠ @@TimesUhave2BA_radicalintellect lol look how even mentioning Africas presence in a reasonable way in the Mediterranean gets tons of them riled as such (the amount of likes), notice how they didn’t make any mention of the Brother Where Art Thou (wayy more disconnected in America) movie…what raving insecurity

[@conm87]

The shield is an ‘aspis’ or a ‘hoplon’ - a hoplite is the name of the armoured soldier

[@jakubjary9052]

Orwell: if you control the past, you control present time

[@mattisairanen9566]

I think a point in 300 that’s often missed, that explains as lot of the historical inaccuracies, is that the whole story is in fact a retelling of the events of the story by the guy who lost his eye and was sent off to tell their tale, so the unreliable narrator is kind of built into the story.

[@Charlzton]

And he only saw half of it ;)

[@TheSquad4life]

well the movie itself is based a comic strip/ graphic novel not entirely on the actual retelling

[@ezjean.1280]

Thank you, lots of people kind of forget that and that's actually what make the movie so great.

[@atomiccritter6492]

@@ezjean.1280 its a terrible movie because of those inaccuracies and full on bs

[@atomiccritter6492]

in short its a copout and bs

[@myman5472]

Regarding 300, I always thought persians were described in that fashion because Dilios is telling the story. He has embelished the story to boost the moral of the troops that are about to fight in the battle of Plataea.

[@MsKym4]

What a great analysis!

[@myman5472]

@@MsKym4 Yeah I mean, the story isn't meant to be taken as a historical account of the facts but as an embelished account of them within the story, as propaganda. The sequel tones down quite a bit the exageration of the persians becase now, even though the main focus of the story is portraying the greeks as heroes and follows the story of Themistocles we are shown Xerxes story prior transformation and we can empathize with him and his struggle a bit more, the same goes for Artemisia's story.

[@christopherjohnson6524]

300 is based on Frank Miller's graphic novel

[@stefanburns3797]

He’s a college professor. If he doesn’t say something is racist he doesn’t get tenure

[@Chuck_EL]

@@myman5472 hes right about the persians they were african ,asian, and arabic looking

[@ZOB4]

There is no way the Coen brothers created O Brother, Where Art Thou? while being completely unaware of The Odyssey - I don't believe that for a second.

[@KeyDash753]

Homer even has a writing credit on the film. Even if the Coen Brothers claim it was independent, their lawyers disagreed. I could buy some elements being coincidence, but others (like John Goodman having an eye patch) are pretty hard to brush off.

[@mustardsfire22]

I think they were aware of it, they just hadn't read it. They were going off the knowledge they had accumulated through the zeitgeist. I've heard Tim Blake Nelson talk about how it was on set with him being the only person who'd actually read it and he thought it was interesting.

[@cyn5422]

They weren't unaware of it. They said they were aware of it, as much as anyone is, through pop culture, but hadn't actually read the book.

[@apg13997]

@@KeyDash753 Wait, why was there a need of lawyers being involved in this? Homer's works are very firmly in the public domain.

[@KeyDash753]

@@apg13997 True, I often forget about the public domain thing. Still, even if there's no need to pay royalties or anything like that, they'd still want to give credit when it's an adaption and not original.

[@elusiveDEVIANT]

Freak literally went on about racism. These people cannot help themselves.

[@heldermonteiro2718]

Everything this guy said is completely nonsense

[@peterfyal4998]

The guy has a lot of problems

[@destinjones6624]

Ah. We got the fanboys raiding the comments

[@peterfyal4998]

@@destinjones6624 I don't think this guy has any fan boys tbh

[@ShawsOwn]

​@@destinjones6624What an incredibly intelligent way to counter all of the comments, points, & debunking in the comments. "Because you disagree, you're a fan boy. Despite making your own points. Meanwhile, I am not. Despite not making any points myself."

[@eduardmanecuta5350]

First of all, 300 is made after a comic book by Frank Miller. It isn't meant to be historically accurate. That's one. And second. They didn't let the diformed guy go with them because he couldn't lift his shield, not simply because he was diformed.

[@oldageisdumb]

*deformed

[@Rosspark100]

@@oldageisdumb *Spazzed out

[@cstgraphpads2091]

Go figure a professor of mythology would make some myths of his own.

[@wavewatcher_]

Underrated comment 👆

[@emergence2000]

It was really interesting including the Marvel movie angle. I had thought everything about the Marvel myths was made up. It was great seeing how there was some tradition to those stories.

[@potatogaming7044]

You thought that Thor was made up, by marvel?

[@Salted_Fysh]

@@potatogaming7044 the way he and the rest of the Pantheon are depicted? Yeah, that's mostly pure fiction and has little to do with what little we know of nordic mythology.

[@emergence2000]

@@potatogaming7044 I thought the Themyscira legends were made up, I did know about Thor.

[@KS-xk2so]

What's interesting is the conversation around how comic books and the idea of heroes/villains with super powers, have kind of become the modern version of mythology, without the religious overtones.

[@Salted_Fysh]

@@KS-xk2so well, mythology itself is not inherently tied to religion. A mythos is a tale or story that is passed along through several iterations of retelling. Historically that would be word of mouth but there are also modern Mythos in the age of print. Slenderman or Cthulhu for example are two examples of modern Mythos. A Mythos can and usually does contain lessons of a cultural, societal or religious nature but that is not entirely necessary. So yes, comic books are a form of Mythos creation but they aren't the only one in modern times. Sidedig: Captain America for example is the Mythos of US American (moral) superiority by way of utilizing a literal Übermensch representing supposed patriotic values.

[@catherinethorstenberg8957]

“Spartan soldiers were very much into each other” An excellent choice of words

[@LeRoiEnJaune]

Yessss, but also noooo. It's worth it for the joke, but it's important to remember that Spartans weren't bisexual as a matter of open-mindedness, but because they were catamites brought up in a society that expected the older to victimize the younger.

[@wes9809]

Metatron breaks this down. Don't fall for the lies.

[@thomgizziz]

@@LeRoiEnJaune Yes but it isn't as wide spread as this dude is trying to pretend it is. This "professor" is trying to rewrite history and pretend that his feelings are facts instead of just stuff he made up and feels strongly about them being true with no evidence.

[@ceejay1476]

@@LeRoiEnJaune Current day traditions in afghanistan where they grape little boys come to mind.

“Homosexual projection” Better choice of words.

[@andyoc]

Metatron has cleaned this chap's clock. He's waffling

[@destinjones6624]

Kid, get off the internet and focus on school

[@markus_r_realiest]

​@@destinjones6624maybe you should go back to school

[@TimesUhave2BA_radicalintellect]

@@markus_r_realiest The reason you fools DONT think egypt was black is because History and scripture are both very adamant on the biblical jews and the Egyptians looking so similar that you really couldnt tell them apart… so if you think egyptians were black then you would be questioning things that the most powerful wealthy people on earth dont want you to question… thats the facts

[@TimesUhave2BA_radicalintellect]

@@markus_r_realiestmetatron did not pull 1 single primary source of the description of the Egyptians (assuming you know what a primary source is) and metatron did not even DARE to mention the 1974 UNESCO debate in cairo proving without a doubt that egypt is a black african society… none of the people advocating the psuedo BS you have believed all this time even had a quality response for Cheikh Anta Diop until after he was dead… they were afraid to argue with him publicly when he was alive 😂😂 yall are generational conniving cowards

[@spuriouslathos2518]

​@@markus_r_realiestthis guy is a professor. You're referencing a KZbin historian. Get a life

[@GreatGhastly_]

I don't wanna correct the expert so I won't, but the creation myth the Greeks held ( as I was told it) was that Zeus and Prometheus created Man together and afterwards Prometheus, loving his creation so much gave fire to mankind which angered Zeus, which in turn led to Prometheus being chained to a mountain and having his liver eaten every day. So Idk, maybe the professor has a different version that he studies/teaches.

[@praisethesunn6541]

This is exactly the comment I was looking for. I mean… he’s the expert but as far as I’m concerned that’s the gist of it. Zeus was bored so decided to create beings which he could lord over, so asked Prometheus to bake them out of clay and so on. It’s a great story as it is but it deprives the professor of an opportunity to make a trite comment on gender politics. Again, I might be wrong on that one but his constant interpretation of details through the lens of a tiktok cringe compilation drove me a little mental.

[@EdwardLindon]

Nice apophasis. But the expert is correct: none of the many extant Ancient Greek sources have Zeus creating humans.

[@EdwardLindon]

@@praisethesunn6541 You certainly were looking for it. But you're not "mental", just a bit gammony.

[@ryangriggs5288]

Also I thought Zeus told Hephaestus to create Pandora for Epimetheus to fall in love with her. Pandora was made to be curious so opened up Pandora’s box to release evil on mankind or something like that. Don’t think the expert was correct on this (I just love this specific story I am no where near an expert on Greek mythology).

[@normalhuman9878]

There are many versions of these myths and none of them are truly “correct” because myths change over time, especially ones that were spread as part of a religion

[@Shadowkey392]

How gullible were you Vanity Fair people?

[@ettinakitten5047]

Less gullible than the Metatron fanboys, clearly.

[@christerjakobsen8107]

@@ettinakitten5047 Metatron brought receipts, did you?

[@GarrettCates]

@@christerjakobsen8107no, of course they didn’t, they never do. They want to swallow everything the prof says without citing anything…

[@GarrettCates]

@@christerjakobsen8107but he hit all the buzzwords! Racism, white supremacy, etc!

[@pexxajohannes1506]

Too bad racism was not invented in anciet Greek but 18th century USA.

[@Kagarin05]

5:35 I actually feel this is just his pandering opinion. There's no way Spartan society would look at physical disabilities with anything but disdain given everything we know about them . . Wonder if there'll be other woke topics for the rest of the video and we're only 5 1/2 minutes in

[@Pyrowaffle]

I'd love to see your diploma sir ❤️

[@MrCytree]

@@Pyrowaffle what does a diploma have to do with anything? Are you using an appeal to authority fallacy? The guy in this video was demonstrably and hilariously wrong multiple times and he has a diploma.

[@Darek_B52]

What an insult to all those who enjoy history & learning it. Pathetic.

[@jamesjill795]

300 - We find in the end Dilios is the narrator, re-telling the battle of Thermopylae, prior to battle at Platea. Dilios is not professor of Greek studies at Spartan University lecturing to grad students. This is a "ra-ra" locker-room type speech to fire up the troops for battle, something leaders do all the time. This story is told a specific way for the purpose of his audience - troops about battle and die. He portrays the enemy as formidable but not honorable. The enemy is/will be difficult to defeat, but on the wrong side of things. He portrays his fellow Spartans as idyllic, and the enemy as bizarre and flawed. Ephialtes is portrayed as most grotesque of all to a Spartan, as he is traitor to his own and too weak for battle. I have no idea if Dilios had ever faced an armored charging rhino or a 50' foot tall elephant, but I bet he'd exaggerate re-telling the story to his peers!

[@huskybaiano3994]

In addition, Sparta was the most ableist society- they threw away babies with disabilities. So it would make sense that the disabled/disfigured character be evil

[@Alpha-ix5tq]

but it’s not even accurate to how they viewed Persians at the time

[@frankvandorp2059]

@@Alpha-ix5tq That depends a lot on which Greek source you're reading. The professor in this video just cherrypicked the most positive source about the Persians he could find, to then pretend that is how the Greeks in general viewed the Persians.

[@dt1458]

this guy clearly doesn’t know the medusa myth or is purposely misrepresenting it

[@avacornthelastponybender8583]

M. Night Shyamalan's The Last Airbender was more faithful source material than Disney's Hercules 🙄

[@andremoreiracosta6319]

The movie 300 is based on a comic book, not a historical book, that’s why there is so many “non accurate” info there

[@cronchybo]

that makes a lot of sense

[@lorddiethorn]

@@cronchyboyeah which why you really shouldn’t not used in historical studies nor black panther. This guy is an massive hypocrite

[@enderz1341]

"The Cohen Brothers never read the Oddessy." yet, in the credits, they credit The Oddessy......

[@proto566]

This "Prof" is talking BS 9/10 anyway

[@dimitriospolymeros1497]

They said that.

[@moenibus]

Dear lord, how is this person allowed to spread such ignorance and misinformation? falsehods, slander, nonsense.

[@johanmetreus1268]

Freedom of speech, which allows even utter idiots to be heard. Fortunately, it also allows them to be called out as such.

[@mooncat7009]

@@johanmetreus1268it doesn’t though these days… you cannot criticize anyone when it comes to africa….

[@durzod2052]

the 300 is a movie based on a fricking COMIC BOOK (excuse me. "graphic novel"). It is NOT intended to be a history lesson. Anyone who treats it as such needsto do a little reading of books.

[@Mac-t884]

You should address this to Zack Snyder then because he claimed it’s 90% historically accurate in an interview.

[@wolvves4293]

300 was based on the graphic novel, not history. And the reason why the Persians are depicted the way they are is because the narrator in the film is a Spartan that returned to Sparta to tell the rest of Greece what had happened to gather support. He demonized them so that they would appear evil and non-human.

[@TrixieMatteI]

Nothing he said goes against that though. He's simply stating that Persians were misportrayed, and they were.

[@bewawolf19]

@@TrixieMatteI No, he calls it racist and problematic depiction when it isn't racist in the slightest. The same professor also in the same video makes the exceptionally bigoted assertion that if your race doesn't match the culture you are knowledgeable on, you can't teach people so I don't see why we should stretch his claim and assume he wasn't acting in bad faith as it clearly is.

[@lorddiethorn]

@@TrixieMatteIlol you clearly are an foolish. He should know this and tell you but you defend the immoral person because you are sheep

[@MEDVE1978]

Wow, this guy would argue even the vikings were Africans. This is like a parody.

[@TT09B5]

@steiner554 Its complete revisionist which is fascist.

[@TimesUhave2BA_radicalintellect]

The reason you fools DONT think egypt was black is because History and scripture are both very adamant on the biblical jews and the Egyptians looking so similar that you really couldnt tell them apart… so if you think egyptians were black then you would be questioning things that the most powerful wealthy people on earth dont want you to question… thats the facts

[@TimesUhave2BA_radicalintellect]

@@TT09B5 The reason you fools DONT think egypt was black is because History and scripture are both very adamant on the biblical jews and the Egyptians looking so similar that you really couldnt tell them apart… so if you think egyptians were black then you would be questioning things that the most powerful wealthy people on earth dont want you to question… thats the facts

[@beetheking_7]

This yall problem. Yall can’t handle the truth. It’s so feminine to deny truth. What is he saying wrong lol you triggered bc your history is a big lie?

[@samuelpereira3856]

@@beetheking_7 Americans and their multiple choice exams 😂

[@ainamaree]

I just finished watching Metatron's reaction to this video and came here to check out the comments section. 😂

[@ettinakitten5047]

Hope you're not gullible enough to believe Metatron's drivel, lol.

[@christerjakobsen8107]

@@ettinakitten5047 You sure are everywhere in the comments trying to do damage control.

[@Tyevic]

@@ettinakitten5047 I do when he backs it with proof lol.

[@destinjones6624]

​@@Tyevichis proof is utter bs.

[@metallicoctopus2037]

Does this guy actually like the people he studies? He seems VERY anti-Greek and anti-European. Almost like its politically charged or something. Like, why on Earth is he talking about Jan 6th in the middle of a video on Greek and Roman mythology? The same question can be asked of why they included Black Panther in this video, its neither Greek, Roman, Mediterranean or actual mythology. Its almost like they needed a movie that didn't include people that look European.

[@eggymayo3271]

Exactly

[@Alaplaya9]

1: I don't think he selected the material he was asked to talk about and 2: Can you explain how he is "anti-Greek" or "anti-European"?

[@frankvandorp2059]

@@Alaplaya9 You seriously think he talked about January 6th because the interviewers asked him to? And even if so, his statement connecting J6 with Sparta was an embarrassing reach that would reflect poorly on any academic, so why didn't he refuse?

[@playedit0ut290]

Short answer, wokeness.

[@ManiacMayhem7256]

​@@playedit0ut290 Longer answer, Antonio Gramsci and Herbert Marcuse

[@scifoncra6376]

talks about Mythology. uses the term "Herkules" for the GREEK HERO. Not Herakles. Until he does. Weird decision there. Could've mentioned that Hades didn't have those two "imps". Those were Ares's. also uses the term "african" like it encompasses the whole continent, but then Greek and Roman for respective mediterranean people. also forgot to mention that greeks respected snakes and believed them to be connect to healing, hence why it's in the medical symbols. Athena's animal was also the snake, not just the owl.

[@redbeardreturns3550]

Thank you!!!! Also isn't the snake in medical symbols a reference to "koondalini" idk how to spell it.

[@Arthur-pc1eh]

@@redbeardreturns3550 You're mixing Indian and Greek concepts...

[@JRec-ql5fc]

To be fair, 300 is based on a graphic novel, which is obviously a very stylistic type of comic. Alas it’s based in history but it partially explains why certain liberties were taken in regards to the supernatural elements.

[@ciaranjones9449]

@amirali khatame I always thought the point of 300 was telling the story of the battle through the eyes of an ancient Greek. During the Persian wars, they were extremely xenophobic towards the Persians, and so 300 portrays them as alien and effeminate - the way ancient Greeks during the Persian wars saw them. It also portrays the Persian army as huge and the Greek army as very small, which is meant to show the great discipline and martial prowess that ancient Greeks thought they had. I think 300 is an interesting take on historiography in movies. It's essentially an extremely nationalistic film like Pearl Harbour or The Patriot, but the audience is meant to be ancient Greek people instead of modern Americans, none of whom are alive today.

[@SkullAngel002]

@J. Rec Exactly. I don't understand why this professor is getting bent out of shape. Sounds like he wasn't told this movie was based on a graphic novel, which itself is all about visual drama to sell box office tickets, nor does director Zack Snyder claim this movie to be complete or partially historically accurate. Otherwise, the professor should just watch a History Channel/PBS/Nat Geo documentary about Sparta with accurate dramatic reenactments. He also contradicts himself at 24:55 by talking about the "Fidelity Discourse", basically saying he doesn't subscribe to the idea that a story has to be told accurately to the myth (or original story) and that changes are welcome because it comes down to the performance and audience reception (you know, like how Zack Snyder's 300 was told and many people liking it).

[@JRec-ql5fc]

@@SkullAngel002 well said.

[@JRec-ql5fc]

@@ciaranjones9449 interesting!

[@atomiccritter6492]

@@SkullAngel002 Just because someone doesnt claim historical accuracy IF a film is made about an historical event it SHOULD be historically accurate unless you CLEARLY state otherwise. 300 was bs

[@daemonthorn5888]

7:25 The symbol of the staff with a snake wrapped around it is not used in medicine because it is a symbol of death. It is used as the symbol of medicine because it is the ,"Rod of Asclepius", who was a God of healing.

[@jaxbeck9550]

I think the idea is he’s elaborating on the origin of the symbol. After all what did we make medicine for other than to fight death?

[@fuxxx21]

That is a stretch. He got a fair few things wrong in this video as would any other woke professor. He also denied the Greeks had any creation myths. Actually they had many, the earliest stating that Zeus engineered man.

[@nenecitosart1405]

@@fuxxx21 yeah as soon as he used black panther a fictional character not associated with greek mytology and 300 showing Persians a certain way as being racist I was out. This guy is definitely a woke liberal hack.

[@DannySB991]

@@nenecitosart1405 You really did miss that point didn't you. Go outside and touch grass, you'll be happier.

[@fuxxx21]

@@cedar4539 Having to get in a section in on Africa, on a Greek/Roman topic... because you know.. Floyd. His link back to Greek mythology and the lion of Heracles was completely unrelated. Talks as well about black slavery, colonization of Africa and a warped Western view of what Africa is... etc etc.. Its desperate stuff. Of course there is more, but if you are leftist, its better not to torture yourself and just pretend this video was normal..

[@Ohnonono123]

Another cliche woke professor inserting his politics into everything. Yawn

[@AuntieDawnsKitchen]

Love it Sometimes when my engineer husband goes to a tough meeting I’ll tell him, “Come back with your spreadsheet or on it.”

[@heart7773]

Need to remember that in the movie '300', it's narrated after the fact as a propaganda tale to inspire the army, & just like in all wars, demonizing the enemy is common in propaganda. Look at WWII propaganda as a example

[@arman_1024]

I don’t understand how that excuses the racist and bigoted imagery. Yes, World War propaganda was usually very racist and led to several problems, so how is this narration explanation an excuse for dismissing the imagery? That simply seems like a cop out to protect Miller and Snyder. Let’s not forget that Miller also wrote “holy terror,” a comic in which all Muslims (men women and children) were depicted as terrorists, and Snyder claimed that “300” was 90% historically accurate.

[@dimipartcaster7770]

It has nothing to do with propaganda. Persia invaded in Greece so 300 Spartans went at Thermopylai to stop the enemy. It wasnt about demonize nobody. They went there to defend their land and their families. And it was more than enough.

[@dickjones4356]

@@dimipartcaster7770 "It has nothing to do with propaganda." Except that battle BECAME propaganda so it still have to do with propaganda.

[@dickjones4356]

@@arman_1024 "I don’t understand how that excuses the racist and bigoted imagery." Except it is a movie and not a documentary but clearly you are not educated to understand that. By the way calling it racist and bigoted imagery only proves that you have no arguments after all. "and Snyder claimed that “300” was 90% historically accurate." Well did the battle not happened? Since 90% of the story is true you really have nothing to complain about.

[@yungjoemighty879]

simp

[@loganus9114]

This guy is an Establishment Scholar, in other words, his knowledge of the world is through a "We Wuzz" Wakanda science.... In other words PURE FANTASY

[@OLBarbok]

He proves it with using all this misinformation to spread his political views, he is a activist and nothing more.

[@connordeboer2928]

18:22 he is just wrong Prometheus did not create Pandora, Hephaestus did after being commissioned by Zeus. Pandora was also not given to Prometheus, she was given to his brother Epimetheus. I don’t like the fact that this “expert” in Greek mythology doesn’t seem to know that.

[@alikhanzhussipali1376]

Well, almost every greek myth has at least 2-3 versions, so it's actually more down to what like most/think is original one

[@georgezachos7322]

Small correction. The round shield was called 'hoplon'. The word 'hoplitai' used, means 'shield bearer ' and refers to the soldier using it.

[@EvripidouM]

Οπλον and οπλιται

[@fire1ce]

At 24:38 he said that he has visited some locations that associate with the entrances of the underworld. Does anybody know where they may be, I would love to visit too!

[@pollomollo]

This “historian” is the equivalent of “biologists” claiming men can get pregnant.

[@AntiFaGoat]

Spoken by esteemed B+ Graduate of middle school biology... in 2005.

[@pollatin1052]

@@AntiFaGoat Well then. Explain further if you know so much.

[@iamhungey12345]

@@pollatin1052 Going by his user name, I hope it's satire.

[@dangerdan2592]

​@@iamhungey12345Sadly it's hard to tell, I think this may be a real person but idk.

[@scrappydoo7887]

Spot on

[@edgarmanuelcambaza6459]

I disagree with the final thought. For some people, what we call "myths" represented their religions and now their culture. Some actually believed these stories. If we want them to respect our religions and cultures, it seems reasonable for us to respect theirs. I know Hollywood loves some creative liberties but it often cheapens the stories into a set of clichés.

[@vladimirc422]

Heavily politicised. Meineck keeps conflating Egypt and Maghreb with subsaharan Africa although they have little to nothing in common besides being on the same continent.

[@jjdude00]

seriously, I see the rock landing in like the congo or something, and he's here talking about the european perspective on Egypt and north Africa 🤦‍♂️

[@gammaliol]

He keeps on putting them together as if he knows that an average person will link Africa to black people and thus get their achievements

[@devoncunningham3334]

just like germanic and slavs have nothing to do with greece and rome yet u guys conflate them with ur ancestors

[@devoncunningham3334]

@@gammaliol yes Egypt, Kush and Ethiopia were all africans that existed way before greece and rome and especially western europeans

[@gammaliol]

@@devoncunningham3334 they're all Caucasian along with northern Africans

[@DrWhom]

"By the 4th century, Sparta was spent" - Yes, that's when they won the Peloponnesian war. Some Professor of Classics...

[@salvocaccamo8089]

Ehm, that happened in the fifth century… By the fourth century the fate of both Sparta and Athens basically depended on the Persian king’s will, and Sparta as a state had been in crisis for a loooong time. Check your facts before you frown upon people

[@nanushka]

I think this expert doesn't know '300' is based in a comic book / graphic novel. The movie is almost identical and very graphical. It's not meant to be historically accurate by any means

[@thomgizziz]

Well the "expert" isn't historically accurate by any means... he says a bunch of lies in service of his political beliefs.

[@memegalodon4522]

I see the title of expert is very loose nowadays.

[@RyanG0899]

Metatron sent me here. This guy isn't just a clown he's the whole circus.

[@impactsalesandlife9299]

Omg, I didn’t expect so much social/political commentary when I clicked this video.

[@MrCmon113]

14:08 Lol. So if I'm German, everything that Germans ever made or used belongs to me. Even if it hangs in a Museum? I can show up to a Museum in New York and just take their German medieval armour?

[@Alejojojo6]

You can even go and seize all the cars since it's a german invention too lmao haha He has such a dumb logic.

[@mouhalo]

No but in 3000 years you would be entitled to it

[@xavierg1415]

Can we get a non-woke expert?!

[@Alaplaya9]

Sorry, to be an expert you have to know stuff and once you start knowing stuff, you kind of become "woke".

[@tiborcsendes5269]

@@Alaplaya9 Only if you twist that knowledge into some absurd woke nonsense.

[@flvflv4712]

​@@Alaplaya9and to say what've said you must be really ignorant 😂. It's the other way round pal

[@Einygmar]

@@Alaplaya9 Not really. There's no inherent "wokeness" in science. Some non-formal\soft scientific disciplines such as social sciences can be "woke" due to the nature the methodologies used in them having more emphasis on interpretation (speculative approach) rather than constructing empirically falsifiable theories. Different schools of thought can have different interpretations. Many of them are present in academia as orthodox and heterodox, some of them are "woke".

[@frankvandorp2059]

​@@Alaplaya9 Nah, wokeness mostly means you tell politically preferred lies about certain subjects regardless of the truth, as evidenced by this guy's clueless lecture with its countless factual errors. In academia specifically, wokeness means you become an expert not because you know things, but because you say things. Things that people in positions of power like to hear.

[@aakla]

I could be mistaken but I think 300 isn't about the 300 it's about the story the one eyed dude told people about the last stand of the 300, that's why it's exaggerated so much. To hype up the spartans.

[@thetruerift]

One thing that needs to be mentioned whenever Sparta is mentioned they could be professional soldiers because of the THOUSANDS OF SLAVES they had. The ratio of slaves to spartans was something like 7:1.

[@jerrogs]

but 300 is based on a comic book... a fictional adapatation by Frank Miller of the Battle of Thermopylae.

[@sebastjankoracin7774]

This guy is the best actor in the world the fact he is able to phisicaly hide the fact that he is completely drunk and high is amzing

[@ChristopherPomerleau]

I wish there was more history and less wokism.

[@Aurora2097]

I do appreciate his views on greek myth, but i cannot follow what he says about african mythology.Theres a lot of that but i see very few of it in Black Panther... Black Panther is much more modern fantasy imho than myth.

[@stillbrian9448]

This guy's an actual professor?

[@Sira_Kackavalj]

Going by his job position, yes. Going by his education, no. He probably got his PhD in woke politics

[@Animalfarm4481]

The fact that vanity fair recommended this guy says it all 😅

[@johnspence5689]

Didn’t know you were an expert on racism, shoulda put that in the title

[@tortaahogada9685]

Persians looked like twisted monsters because, as we see at the end of the movie, it is a story been told to inspire the Spartan army, so they would exaggerate to fantasy some details to hype the warriors

[@frankvandorp2059]

This guy does not explain mythology, he rewrites it to better fit his own 21st Century political narratives.

[@jackieboyborden]

also fun fact, the Spartans did actually wear armor

[@EmperorNerox]

He seems so sure the ancient sources were clear about this and that about Sparta, but what ancient sources ever mentions they used a phalanx formation?

[@christophersnedeker2065]

That's just how warfare was at that time and place.

[@kiera6581]

Imagine today if you threw in a credit card trying to get to the Underworld. You: *swipes card* Chiron : Sorry, sir. Your card is maxed out.

[@tomhumphreys3929]

I dont think the Persians being depicted as monsters and deformed was to be taken as literal because at the start of the film we are shown that it is Dilios who is telling the story of leonidis and the 300 to him men afterwards, so i believe the reason the persians were depicted that way was because it was dilios fantasy story telling that portrayed them like that.

[@XxGreatestyouknoWxX]

This dude is a lib head, he's spouting activist propaganda to promote "white hate". The guys a weirdo.

[@LilianaStoica-m2w]

Go Metraton for pointing the truth! best channel for mythology !

[@Flyingtart]

Happy to see Metatron making a video about this. A lot of anachronistic political horsecrap that sadly goes to the big audience.

[@ViejoLocuelo]

Hmmm… I had no idea you could get a degree in ancient mythology by watching Black Panther movies. Cool!

[@boudebond]

I hope he is not that political in his teachings cause that would be a shame.

[@thomgizziz]

of course he is.

[@Joedem92]

I assure you that he is, as are all of the liberal professors. In fact, you could tell the politics of a professor about how vocal they were about politics. The less political detours in a lecture, the more conservative they were. When I was in college, I had a professor, on day 1, say that she was a communist and hated America. IN NYC. They can’t help themselves.

[@persiswynter6357]

Black Panther - no call out that Bast is the CAT goddess (literally pussycats), SEKHMET is a lioness.

[@persiswynter6357]

And that she's Egyptian, not Greek nor Roman.

[@thestarlightvarietyshow9303]

This is amazing. Would love to see him or other professors on segments like this

[@tric5122]

I think this guy is hilarious trying to take on all these serious issues of today in a fantasy movie where they didn't even really care to try and get it historically accurate. At no time was this movie trying to be taken serious as a historical movie.

[@whyjnot420]

expert: We have to treat Greek and Roman history as part of an area of the world with many diverse cultures also expert: But I'm going to treat Africa as monolithic Maybe something was lost in editing, but that is how he came across here. Also, seems like he was a bit too focused on the modern world... shouldn't be surprised given the title of his professorship.

[@redbeardreturns3550]

Yeah his takes really botherd me. Like dude, focus on the historical context. Not the modern ideals we have today. 300 is racist now? Was the Jan 6th comment necessary? Was there a need for constant pry barring? This "expert" just reviewed all of these films with his rose tinted glasses on. Also poiting out the fact that Spartans experimented with sexuality without acknowledging the connection to the downfall of their civilization is just wrong.

[@mrthisbetterstick7776]

My biggest problem with 300 was that they spend 500 bazillion dollars on CGI, yet forgot to airbrush out everyone's polio vaccine scars.

[@BigBear_all_over]

I don’t believe it’s fair to say that 300 was racist. It was based of a graphic novel and the Persians were hyperbolically depicted as monsters. It’s a fictional adaption of that war.

[@RKB-2001]

He is just a political agent doing nothing more then propagating his ideological ideas, I know the word "professor" has no meaning anymore anyway but still sad that this dude can be called that

[@Mac-t884]

The graphic novel was written by a hateful bigot who’s known for depicting non-white, eastern people are evil and monstrous.

[@GrapeWrath]

As for '300', it's not wrong. it's a point of view. if characters seem monstrous, it's a metaphor.

[@StuartEaston23]

Yeah I think that's lost on a lot of people in this comment section. Too many people immediately wanna jump to "muh racism", when the narrator is intentionally trying to make them sound as horrible as possible.

[@bloodink9508]

The one accidentally good thing about Pegasus in Hercules, despite the fact Pegasus isn’t related to any Hercules myths, is the that they accurately point out that Pegasus is the name of that specific individual winged horse and it the name of a whole breed of them. There is one Pegasus and that’s it.

[@Blokewood3]

To be fair, some ancient writers like Pliny speculated that there were flocks of winged horses living in the wild. It wouldn't be that unreasonable to name such a group after their most famous member (and presumed ancestor).

[@rileymcphee9429]

Tell us more about these actual sites of the entrances to the underworld, please!

[@Spirofett]

It always bothers me that 300 is judged as a historical film. It's a comic book movie, based on a Frank Miller graphic novel. Zak Snyder was bringing those pages to life, not the history books.

[@drew.168]

More of this guy for sure, very well spoken.

[@agathaohoshley5630]

I could listen to him for hours!

[@ibroughtreceipts]

Shining example of what kids are learning in universities, nothing but garbage. I’m glad they keep creating content like this so we aren’t blind to what goes on in those classrooms.

[@IamStantastical]

"Masculinity" and sexuality are not mutually exclusive my Prof.

[@aappaapp6627]

Heracles being the first black panther was a hot take I wasn't expecting today 😅😅

[@TingTong2568]

This guy missed the point no country and civilization can survive remaining in isolation.

[@Galvaxatron]

This guy is a mythology expert in that he expertly makes up myths on the fly.