Myths debunked about the Boost-a-Pump

Debunking fake claims of boosters killing fuel pumps.

[@lowhpgt500]

Been running vmp boost-a-pumps for over a year. No issues, 700whp.

[@nathanstander1493]

first off thanks so much for even replying to me thats much appreciated, thank you. i have emailed on 3 separate times to chris. I bought this through lethal performance and even spoke with matt at lethal and he says the same thing. aside from a good ground, i bought the plug and play version just for ease of install. I haven't physically called myself, but matt did reach out to vmp himself monday and then called me on the issue. like i said i know they said those units dont fail and im so upset that somehow mine did in a short period of time. i installed my turbo kit myself so you can understand that connecting 2 plugs and a ground shouldn't be so difficult. the car made great power on 6lbs of boost. it did 622 to the tires. thanks again for the response as i know you didnt have to.

[@brycejones4859]

luv the knowledge. getting ready to build my 14 gt. and I'm learning all I can.

[@lightblade543]

Great vid! To expand some, I guess you could say its a myth, for the Coyote anyway, the coyote fuel system changed the game up. I took a part a fuel hat when they first came out in 2011, tested the pump and then cut it open. I was looking into doing a larger single pump upgrade. I found out the stock coyote pump is a variant (detuned version) of the dcss turbine style pump made by ti automotive. Yup parent company of walbro who makes the now famous 400lph dual channel single stages for the aftermarket. Coyote pump flows around 350lph at 4 bar/56-58psi and the pump motor is rated to 18volts. It needed to be more robust due to going away from pulse width control to voltage stage control with a fpcm and has the integrated pressure bypass "regulator" in the hat. You could call this system a hybrid if you will mix between return and return-less. In short your doing absolutely no harm (at least that you could measure) to the coyote pump running at higher voltages with a booster. That being said older turbine and gerotor ford pumps is a different story, you do significantly increase pump wear on them, now its not an overnight thing but a stock fuel pump that would normally last 10 years+ may now only last 5 years etc as the commutator material was not designed to handle the increased heat from current when running north of their rated 13-14volts. I have seen plenty of dead pumps from older 5.0, 2v and 3v that when cut open have melted and shorted coil windings and the carbon commutator looks like dark chocolate pudding, regardless of what kenne bell's fancy tech marketing tells you, considering they had a monopoly on the market at the time with their boost-a-pumps. As a ford fuel guy with an electronics background I am not personally a pump booster fan but I would not hesitate to run one on a coyote it is an easy way to get more out of the fuel system and is way more reliable than doing it on the older stuff. My last tip is don't neglect wiring when it comes to increasing voltage and current to a fuel pump. While the plug and play options are nice and easy to install and work fine, it helps a lot to upgrade the power wire to the booster with a thicker awg wire and dedicated power source over feeding it with stock wiring. It lowers current to counter any more heat with the stepped up voltage and allows the pump to flow more. Since I haven't mentioned it fuel pumps do loose flow as heat rises, so that's a key factor. At stock voltage and 10awg wiring I have seen gains in flow around 10-12% shown by an decrease in max duty cycle in the logs and with a voltage booster and 8awg wire close to 20% increase in flow.

[@burkeyatm]

S&H Performance that’s some good info right there. Thank you very much for that 👌

[@joemastrosimone9108]

Would you recommend a BAP on a full bolt on and tuned, innercooler, 3 bar etc 2013 SHO 3.5L twin turbo?

[@lightblade543]

@@joemastrosimone9108 your SHO is a different ball game since its direct injection. The electric fuel pump in the tank is just a low pressure feeder pump to move fuel up to the high pressure mechanical pump on the engine. So boosting the electrical feeder pump will have almost no effect on overall flow since the high pressure mechanical pump has a set max displacement based on engine speed. Your limiting factor is the di style injectors. If your already installed larger di style injectors and still need more fuel. Next mod would be a larger displacement high pressure mechanical fuel pump. I believe the aftermarket has options for that now.

[@RecklessRegal]

I'm not necessarily a fan of YDBT, but I have been involved in the automotive industry for almost 10 years and had the pleasure of working with some of the smartest people you can think of, including the geniuses at Shelby American. Yolo is absolutely correct here on all points.

[@NickelWhiteS550]

THIS IS WHY I HAVE THIS MAN TUNING MY CAR!! HE KNOW WHATS UP!!

[@a_zula1]

Instead of sifting through bullshit forum posts I get to come here and get the facts lol. Great video.

[@briantehachapi8898]

I have 258,000 miles on my stock '99 Ford GT Mustang fuel pump. I began running a boost a pump with 11 pounds boost and new motor 60,000 miles ago. The original boosted fuel pump still running strong!

[@Highlander1432]

Yo thank u for posting this About to get one on my 6th gen Camaro

[@bigkarl24]

Great video. My friends been running boots a pump for about 8 year on a all motor 93 octane camaro. I feel like the worst it will do is shorten your life span but honestly not by much. But I agree stay within your limits on it.

[@Bacongrease00]

BAP works fine to a point, BAP won’t: make your injectors bigger, your fuel lines bigger, your regulator regulate better, it will make a pump increase the output. You will see a voltage drop under high loads. 13.5 at your alternator maybe only be 12.5V at the pump especially on older vehicles. A few volts make a huge difference

[@everarmed_89]

@Alejandro Flores At what power/boost level should one subsidize the "factory" BAP on 11-14 GT500s on pump gas?

[@Invitingsauce]

Pumps die from heat. Keep el-fuel in the el-tanko and you won't have any problemo. Keep em submerged as much as possible.

[@TNels]

"Now you have a window in your block"

[@TurboA4]

This man knows what's up. Pulley down 3 times, window the block, put the dyno pulley back on, my shit blew up on your tune.

[@Naasko595]

when I sold my 2.3 vmp, I ran my 03 cobra with a 2.8 upper, stock lower, 60lb inj. and a kb bap at about 15 psi on e85. Tuned by Eric Brooks! Ran great no issues

[@Jackslade84]

So I have 16 mustang gt and want to purchase a g2 or g3 ess supercharger and you're saying that I can get away without a fuel pump upgrade. But have a booster pump for 7 to 800 hp? 115mm pulley 93 octane and 1050 fuel injectors?

[@glockmodder]

do i need to let my tuner adjust anything in my tune for a NA scatpack im running a flex fuel kit duty cycle is 84% without boost a pump it will never be supercharged or nitrous

[@OSIS909]

Alex for coyote President 🙌💯

[@SpeedDem0n83]

Vortech 3.6 pulley and e85 here. ID1000 and jms bap running to 7500rpm. No issues over a year and 13k miles with setup.

[@YDBT4LIFE]

Nice, i'd still take a look at logs to confirm she's healthy.

[@SpeedDem0n83]

So far so good still. I did install a new oem pump when I added the vortech and bap as the car had 50k on it then.

[@alcarames1]

Good info here. Alex can you make a video addressing the oil weight debate for the coyotes.

[@bigdondre]

Never heard of this till now. Cool to learn something new

[@MustangFourSix]

I have a V2 si vortech 42 lb injectors what would you recommend for fuel pump type or boost a pump 2002 gt mustang auto

[@cristianaquino4431]

Do you recommend a booster for Toyota V8? all motor, all bolt ons with bigger injectors.

[@raymundjusay4632]

Thank you for all the information on BAP

[@raga1s]

If a have a 2017 mustang gt with whipple 2.9 and I decided to install fuel pump booster do I need a tune?

[@firehawk5.076]

What about twin turbo ? Dw400 ,e85 ,high z 1000cc injectors . Bap still a need?

[@pumpkinhead7103]

Wht about a 15 coyote n/a bolt ons n e85 47 lbs injectors 18 intake cai?

[@Amerikendad1776]

Deciding on whether to supercharge or twin turbo my gt350. Thoughts? Pros and cons?

[@rodlint662]

If I upgrade my fuel pump with a dw400, should I keep using the boost a pump 14 mustang gt with a vmp supercharger

[@YDBT4LIFE]

Sure can't hurt

[@xunantunich1450]

Would you say its necessary to have a BAP for running E85 on a 2014 5.0 with cobra jet intake and 47# injector upgrade? Or would the injector upgrade be enough? Planning on staying NA , stock headers OR x pipe..

[@urianrodriguez]

xunan tunich did you figure this out ?

[@xunantunich1450]

no BAP , running without issues. Just need more traction now.. :)

[@negativesplits06]

No need for a BAP with coyotes. Injectors and a tune are all you need to run e85.

[@nathanstander1493]

i really like all the tech you speak on here. i have an on3 twin turbo kit with a vmp boost a pump that shorted out after only 2 months of ownership. i bought the full plug and play version for ease of install. ive email vmp about this numerous times and it seems that they dont want to help me with my situation. i know they have said they dont have problems with these units but i can tell you mine pops the fuse at the booster if i move its harness around. if i stretch it out straight the fuse dont pop and i can drive the car around. i bought this booster through lethal performance only 2 months ago. im a certified mechanic so installation obviously is not a big deal especially when all i had to install was one ground wire. any insight on this would be appreciated as i shouldn't have to buy another already. please dont take this as a product bashing im just looking for some help. ive only gotten to drive this car 10 or twelve times since it was dyno tuned.

[@YDBT4LIFE]

Hey there Nathan, have you contacted us recently? (VMP)?

[@chuckluperful]

Great video, how much hp do you think you can go to " n/a " on a stock fuel system for a 12 gt ?

[@james10739]

I mean its not going to last as long i wonder how many amps it draws and what voltage they are boosting it up to i reckon you could get away with a much cheaper dc to dc booster to do the same thing

[@coryswinerton3296]

My stock pump just died yesterday with a BAP (18V) at 20K miles. However, I’ve had pumps last years with a BAP as well.

[@l9ikjam]

a BAP came with my whipple but I didn't install it. I didn't want the extra clutter in my engine

[@charleshenson4183]

SC Challenger Troll,the boost a pump doesn't mount anywhere near the engine 😂🤣

[@Milana-Arielle]

So can it be used for E85?

[@aarongarcia518]

What intake is on the nitrous coyote?

[@mrmete]

What about BAS do they work?

[@MitchellHubert]

Resistance= Volts/amps, if you put MORE volts through your fuel pump, you are creating more resistance which equals more HEAT. The more heat you have the faster things tend to burn out. Boosters are going to shorten your fuel pumps life no doubt. You think companies MAKING MONEY, don't have loop holes when you blow your fucking car up because your pump burned out. No one cares how fast someone went with a boost a pump. Use at your own risk people.

[@YDBT4LIFE]

I bet you think 9/11 was an inside job.

[@maximusvonce1381]

It was.. Wake the fck up

[@jamessteele82]

Brilliant, thank you kindly for this.

[@gt8674]

i have a 17 with Lu47 on a gt350 manifold and borla atak catback .. can i ho with a booter pump aky Vmp .. ?

[@YDBT4LIFE]

What.....

[@gt8674]

@@YDBT4LIFE do i need to have a super charger to have a boost a pump? i have 47lb injectors

[@YDBT4LIFE]

@@gt8674 I don't understand the question.

[@ryanfonseca3270]

does vmp tune vortech blowers also online? or would you reccomend I go to lund or aed for a centri, and stick with vmp for my tvs tunes?

[@YDBT4LIFE]

We tune centri 11-14, not yet on 15+

[@ryanfonseca3270]

Alejandro Flores right on!!

[@Lloydski]

So let me get this right from an electrical engineers point of view. A regular fuel pump is designed to run off of 14 volts, a booster pump does just what it says, it boosts the voltage up to around 20 volts, give or take a few causing the pump to simply run faster. Not second guessing but just looking at this from an electrical calculation. Is there something in the tune that watches the voltage, is the voltage to the fuel pump regulated some how. I know its not running at 20 volts all the time or they would not hold up period. In theory running anything higher than 14 volts to the pump over a long period of time would eventually make the pump fail. Like i said not second guessing just curious...

[@treyspinner1192]

guess I'm confused, I'm used to turbo 4s and all we had to do was run dual walbro set up in tank and didn't have to adjust anything. can't you just throw in a 450 and call it a day why the need for a boost a pump

[@YDBT4LIFE]

If you can fit it in the hat yes. lol But we put twin 465's and it's usually good to 1000 hp

[@lightblade543]

Its a motor size/cylinders and fuel requirement difference, a 4 cylinder needs half the pump and twice the injector to make the same power with a v8. V8 has 4 more injectors supplying fuel to motor, which also need fed by the fuel pump(s), so it needs more pump and less injector than a motor with less displacement and half the cylinders.

[@09fatbobmike]

Can you use a booster without a pump control module?

[@YDBT4LIFE]

How would the pump see the proper voltage?

[@09fatbobmike]

@@YDBT4LIFE good question. I know the hellcats and flex fuel models have the fuel pump control module. that part is not found on my car when using the Mopar parts site. I will have to chase the wires and see what I find I guess. I agree it should have something. When I measured voltage at the pump when it primes it is at 10.3v and at idle and wot the voltage remains 12.8v.

[@a.d.5274]

Will a 13 gt500 with a 2.4 pulley CAI and tune need a booster pump?

[@YDBT4LIFE]

yea i would honestly to have the added safety of additional fuel.

[@rayrayokelly]

@@YDBT4LIFE you have a facebook

[@cpfeil43]

KB bap on my cobra 3rd season now. No issues.

[@joshuafarwell9761]

I use the 12v to 19v amp off amazon for $17. Run e85 in my 1.8t making around 400whp at 11:1 25psi at redline. Save your money and buy it off amazon lol

[@bumblebvr6]

Link?

[@MustangNthusiest]

I have a Local shop, crying that I just put the VMP Bap plug n Play on my 2012 Shelby with Pump gas Gen2R and 2.4 pulley. Bitching and crying saying I should have just upgraded the stock pumps for the same amount of money? What's your thoughts Alex.?

[@brembojoe]

Yolo!!! Love the channel in a no home way... keep up the good work!!!

[@usdm420]

Look at you, all *pinkies up* while driving now....with your fancy self driving car.

[@coyote5.043]

Keepin it real as usual. Good shit man

[@stevenr8606]

I sold KB Boost-A-Pumps & NEVER, EVERY heard any 'stock' fuel pumps, or any aftermarket fuel pumps burning out (quiting) [1st one in 1994]. And, I had a SC from KB also a DYNOJET chassis dyno. Sooooo, they heard they are bad on the internet... 🙄, they must have lost the race.

[@rggt6225]

Would there be any benefit on a boost a pump on a N/A coyote ??

[@YDBT4LIFE]

Not on pump gas

[@rggt6225]

@@YDBT4LIFE I run e85 what benefit would I get thanks alot

[@NemesisDigitalMedia]

can you tell me more about this Rob Shoemaker guy, people are all over this dude for tunes on the Facebook groups . You and Jon are like the only guys id trust with my car though.

[@YDBT4LIFE]

I have nothing to say about mr shoemaker. :)

[@NemesisDigitalMedia]

lol I hear ya, just seems like this guy came out of nowhere and hes got a little squad promoting everywhere

[@YDBT4LIFE]

I'll tell you this, if i was not tuning my car i would only trust VMP LUND or AED.

[@maximusvonce1381]

Justin runs way too much timing on California 91 octane tunes with 82mm pulley

[@TurboMik3]

how can I get in contact with you so you can tune my coyote Alex?

[@ricardosimon1975]

do open air filters give true whp?

[@YDBT4LIFE]

Yes, especially Supercharged.

[@shnoopydoopy6707]

so with a boost a pump on pump gas you dont even need injectors, how is that possible?

[@YDBT4LIFE]

Boosted or n/a

[@shnoopydoopy6707]

@@YDBT4LIFE i mean im just trying to figure out with my 03 cobra (boosted obviously), iv been researching and on the kennebell website it says you dont need fuel pumps or injectors just a boost a pump. I thought the flow of injectors and the fuel pump was a separate job. How could a boost a pump compensate for both?

[@YDBT4LIFE]

@@shnoopydoopy6707 depends on boost psi

[@bander908]

Excellent video! Thanks !

[@gsppuffer]

every electric motor has a service factor rating and never ran to 100% so a boost a pump is fine as long as voltage doesn't go too high

[@michaelg589]

Of course it works. Thats not what anyone is arguing. But, pushing more Voltage to a motor is going to cause it to wear out faster. Thats not fucking rocket science. It may last for a while, but the stock pump is meant to run off the stock voltage. More power equals less longevity. Show me ONE pump thats been fed more power than it was designed for that lasted 100k miles. Im not saying its necessarily stupid to use BAPs. I will most likely install one myself if I install a blower on my LS3. But, im doing it while knowing the pump's life expectancy is going to be diminished a bit. I can only hope It isnt a catastrophic engine failure when that happens. However you can have that chance no matter what when youre messing with aftermaket fuel systems as well.

[@davidcrowe9531]

I've always been skeptical of a booster . I've always put a bigger pump in . You know your shit Alex . Would you say I"m doing the right thing or just over thinking the booster . Thought I would get your advice cause once I get my rs3 I will be hitting you up to tune this bad boy .

[@scubagto420]

what about a bap and a dw400 could that be enough on an s550 roush 2650

[@YDBT4LIFE]

For what fuel

[@scubagto420]

@@YDBT4LIFE so I am on 93 octane no bap stock fuel pump roush rs3 19 car she’s making 754 in mustang dyno 10R80 not sure why it’s so high she kept asking for timing up top intake corsa longtube headers & exhaust stock size grip tech pulley vmp heat exchanger i just ordered the dw400 and was thinking a bap would love to try e85 if possible but for now 93

[@YDBT4LIFE]

@@scubagto420 sounds like Dyno is way off. But a bap is a good idea. No e85 without a fuel system

[@scubagto420]

@@YDBT4LIFE what do you recommend for fuel systems ?

[@YDBT4LIFE]

@@scubagto420 fore innocations level 2

[@GameOver321]

Hey man. I have a question for you about purchasing a 11 GT500 or a 12 BOSS. Do you have an email or something? Id like your input. Thanks

[@YDBT4LIFE]

Buy the GT500, Better trans, Takes well to mods 2.5 pulley Cold air intae tune Exhaust 600+RWHP on stock blower. something something PROFIT.

[@GameOver321]

11 SVTPP GT500 9K Miles 3.6LC KB and full bolt ons. $35K. Plus glass roof;-) 12 BOSS stock 10k mikes. $25k

[@YDBT4LIFE]

It has a KB? yea get the Boss. looks like the gt500 has been modded to death and it's way cheap so i'd rather not buy someone else project. A Boss with a TVS...will be nasty.

[@GameOver321]

Thats what I was thinking. I know the guy with the shelby hes the original owner. Never tracked. The boss with a TVS or paxton is a tough combo to beat. Those road runner motors are built TOUGH. All forged internals

[@racequad9]

Don Johnson damn, $25k for a 10k mile Boss is dirt cheap

[@FootageFactory]

Of course I needed your 2 cents to guide my life!! For real!!! Urgh, you hit the nail on the head, a smaller pulley is like crack!

[@divemaster037]

Great information here. One criticism. It's not necessary to swear so darn much. Doesn't make you sound more knowledgeable, and doesn't add one thing to an otherwise great informational video.

[@mustbefast9923]

Hahahahaha

[@blu5.0gt44]

Thanks 😊👍

[@juniorbarry121]

Panda panda panda!! 🐼🐼🐼

[@ryandillon7904]

I personally burned up 2 stock fuel pumps with the KB BAP on 93. once while tuned by Lund and once while tuned by e85. maybe I had a a bad bap or something.

[@YDBT4LIFE]

Could've been.

[@Bacongrease00]

Was your wiring legit because fox body fuel pump wiring is usually pretty janky in stock form.

[@NikeBird57]

So I'd be completely fine with a bap and bigger injectors for e85 for a naturally aspirated setup. I just have a 97 cobra and everyone has told me I need to upgrade my fuel pump to go e85..

[@YDBT4LIFE]

Well for 97 cobra i'd get a new fuel pump, we're talking coyote mostly.

[@NikeBird57]

Okay, thanks for the quick response!

[@johnallen7230]

CTS-V DW300C fuel pumps and JMS Fuel-Max BAP 850CC injectors 15 psi >700rwhp on E85.......JMS or nothing

[@richardyaklinjr1017]

Pumps cooled by the gas...keep enough fuel in em

[@YDBT4LIFE]

Yes sir

[@richardyaklinjr1017]

@@YDBT4LIFE I burned out 2 stock in tank pumps....always ran low fuel to keep weight down because my cars slow....learned the hard way

[@entegee339]

BAP's have been on the market as a tried and true solution for additional fuel delivery (to a point) for nearly 2 decades. Requirements for fuel is nothing more than some simple math. Do some reading kids. I weep for a community that needed to hear this message.

[@user-pwfus]

Bigger fuel pump is cheaper and much better all around do not install quicky stuff long term will cost you more.

[@btt327x]

What do you think of the VMP always on style compared to the JMS one on a trigger?

[@YDBT4LIFE]

It's choice really JMS makes and adjustable one, ours plugs right in and no wiring.

[@joed3264]

Actually the best JMS bap is the one that plugs into your accelerator pedal. Voltage ramps up as you depress the pedal.

[@4lakeslandscape]

fucking shit no wonder my cars running stupid I just solved the problem for my tuner smh

[@benjirinec1554]

Alex where did you learn to tune cars at ?

[@YDBT4LIFE]

Kind of picked it up form many places, But my bulk learning happened at VMP

[@lukakapyro]

Panda got gapped tho lol

[@YDBT4LIFE]

B GerK he's not going to win them all.

[@lukakapyro]

Alejandro Flores ikno it was joke. Its been alot of trolling by philly towards us but kennygevo been holding it hold for the home team.

[@qwicxs]

I was just told my KB boost a pump need to be taken out by a tuner in two. On my supercharged s550. Man I am being flooded by miss information and opinions about to pull my hair out.

[@YDBT4LIFE]

Depends on the tuner

[@qwicxs]

Alejandro Flores I’d really like you to tune my paxton 2015 mustang. Wish I was closer to you so I could put it on a dyno. I have HP tunersloaded on it now it has a 93 octane tune only and runs good but I’d like to have a 91 and 93 octane tune from you. Only two stations in town and if I want to take my car out of state Id like to flash it to 91 and not have to worry About octane... I’m ignorant but I watch every one of your videos. I’ve learned a lot from you..Can you tune to HP tuners or do I have to have the NGuage flashed? I’d really like a tune by you. Feel helpless in Kansas no shops that are reliable

[@YDBT4LIFE]

@@qwicxs I dont use hp tuners. If you want a lund tune you must hot up [e-mail] and use a lund racing ngauge or a sct x4

[@qwicxs]

So I’ll have to buy another entire NGUAGE. Bummer...That’s why I was confused I thought if you had an NGUAGE you’d have to just flash it. I appreciate you getting back with me and talking to me. I don’t mind buying another one just to have you tune it. I took your advice and found a really nice built 2015 Mustang. Paxton NOVI 2200SL with a 3.60 pulley. Billet oil pump gears KB boost a pump I’m assuming it’s install under my back seat. Have had no time to look where they installed it looked in the trunk nothing. L...I’ve been told it’s probably installed under or near the rear seat. Or by the driver side panel. Bought it at Texas Hot rides and drove it home to Kansas here is the parts list they gave me .. paxton front mounted inter cooler, paxton air intake, Boundry Billet oil pump gears, TSS Billet crank sprocket, ID1000 injectors. Stainlessworks long tube headers, Ford racing catted midpipe ... and the KB boost a pump... the car is not starving for fuel but I bought it and it sits in my garage with 25,000 miles on it. Looks great he put a lot of mods on the outside dropped the car put tons of money on the exterior.. it’s my dream car.. but nervous about driving it without someone to look at the car. I’ll buy a Lund tuner but I got to figure out the fuel system where that pump is at. Want my tuner to have all the info about the car. Thanks in advance... Big fan of your channel... hopefully you can throw me some advice if you have time... take care

[@bobsurvives]

What the fuck are you driving...

[@Beerme-pl2ml]

that's his new daily hes getting serious now.

[@ruslanarzu]

2nd. great video

[@NismoZTX]

Look at all those cool numbered comments

[@watsonanthony8438]

Lol

[@Thatoneguyinjdhdbxbsbsjxjd]

First

[@donkiebals123]

I want my 5 minutes back. While I agree with you, debunking a myth requires more than driving around and ranting about your opinion. What a freaking waste.

[@Beerme-pl2ml]

3rd lol