New Age Agamemnon VS Magic Square Doomsday (Sit Down Saturday)

[@Thetazord]

“The part of the gun that plugs into your palm if you’re a masterpiece” lmfao!!! Oh Lordy! That cracked me!!!

[@emilianochaim5442]

you prolly dont give a damn but does any of you know a tool to get back into an instagram account?? I stupidly forgot the account password. I would love any tricks you can give me

[@santiagojacoby9885]

@Emiliano Chaim instablaster ;)

[@harryruffin1548]

One day, one day, someone will care about which is better.

[@JasonSawyer]

A year later, I went Magic Square and glad I did. Love it in hand. Usually prefer Newage, but not this round. I even sort of prefer the matte materials for Megs.

[@josephengland6404]

The weird thing is that I agree with all of your points individually but I somehow still prefer the New Age. I’ve never handled them so the materials don’t come into it. I guess it’s just the aesthetic preference of the G1 toon v Dreamwave look?

[@jeroenmeester9528]

You had the hips of the Magic Square mistransformed, with them transformed correctly he can do the full monty and and the full van Damme, and they will look cleaner.

[@snapshotsreviews4967]

“Best of is not good enough” I like that

[@james87look]

MS chest is too big,the paint look poor,and the gun is short,I have no reason to choose it

[@Matunahelper]

Great Vs. video! Surprised me a bit. I love that these two companies are still putting out good quality figures.

[@lando7763]

1:56 MFT's Legends-scale Springer would have words with thee, Sir Face! Maaaaaan, I'm just trying to get my movie cast down. The way my bank account is set up though... I'll admire a Masterpiece, but that's about it.

[@saysoun752]

I'm so glad I waited for the repaint of Magic Square as the metallic paint looks awesome. He's more fully painted and I don't have the front hip issue as they either fixed it or this video had him mis-transformed. There's no visible hip joint on my copy. I do like the NewAge version but, Magic Square gets more right, from all angles, that I went with them instead.

[@Robin-ve7ck]

I know you really value paint, and that’s fine, but the MS has such a better looking torso, I really think it’s a disservice to tie them just because the NA has paint.

[@GeneralRasp]

Love your dangerous conversations Bobby. To help your self-esteem, you are awesome.

[@joshuaknappenberger5842]

Legends scale comparison? This should be good!

[@kalron27]

I had similar feeling about model kits...until I recently picked up the new Vic Viper kit, the spaceship for Gradius. I was surprised at how much fun I had building it. Was it tedious? Yes. Was it worth it? Totally! Got the same joy I get when doing a custom. Luckily I picked up both Prime and Megatron Flame Toys kits, I'm looking forward to those builds soon. Great VS video here. As someone in the market for a min Megatron, it was informative.

[@jacobfoster9185]

Uhhmm actually mr.skull head you SHOULD know that Prime DOESN'T wear pants ! After listening to his responses hat's what I assume the commenters he's responding to sound like. Great channel, always good content and brave...or confident enough to own when things are subjective or you have a preconceived opinion instead of cowing to the mob in an effort to please EVERYONE ALL THE TIME to fill an emptiness within...can't be done and from what I've seen your integrity is more valuable to you than clicks and I find that refreshing. Thank you for your hard work.

[@andreyofdoom]

Great video. I've chosen new age based on materials, how fun he is to transform and handle. If you upgrade the legs it's great!!!

[@scottcontois3957]

When you upgrade the legs, he's even more out of scale and I actually think he looks worse. But, preference.

[@andreyofdoom]

@@scottcontois3957 definitely! I like the upgrade because the thigh joints bending forward on the old legs are at a weird angle but overall I'll take him in any form over magic Square due to preferences

[@scottcontois3957]

Definitely Newage every time, man. They're king now.

[@andreyofdoom]

@@scottcontois3957 I just got the EX Galvatron with the Unicron shell and so excited for their Shockwave and Devastator!!

[@scottcontois3957]

@@andreyofdoom I haven't bought a Shockwave or a Prime for years for this very reason. The coming of the Newage... And here they will come. As am I.

[@ounkeo]

I have both and while I generally like Newage TF figures, I prefer the Magic Square Megatron. It's just a better figure all around apart from materials and finish. The NA Megatron has better materials and finish, but the figure is a mess visually. Even comparing it to the rest of Newage's TF legends line, their Megatron is really messy looking.

[@suprasport9118]

Mann!! That Magic Square Megatron is absolutely Fantastic!! I think the proportions are Perfect!! Is almost like they took MP-36 and fixed all the proportions issues. I know people like the g1 accuracy. But am like you Bobby S I just think they should take some liberties and bring it up to more modern Standards. Yes! Agree MS really needs better materials. As always great video review!⭐🌟

[@i.still.function3463]

I love how I had to turn on Captions to understand what your #3 had to say. She said something about Blankets lol. TOOOOOOOOOO CUTE.!

[@snitchbug]

wonder how the soundwave from new age is gonna shape up more expensive but comes w more tapes i’m not sure which aesthetic i like more

[@leftylion816]

My guy! The Smiff & Wesson nod at the start of the comparison.... Very dope! Outstanding review and I may drop a few dollars on the Magic Square. Wish it was painted tho

[@edbraun383]

Dope

[@officerbarbrady8387]

I like the looks of the magic square one more, but the Newage one feels pretty good and the transformation looked more fun. Kind of hard to make a fun transformation when the figure turns into a handgun

[@robertdahne4268]

Just got the Magic Square metallic version, and I also noticed where the upper lags meet the hips, that it looked odd. (I worked hard to find a way to word that, other than, 'his balls are showing at the top of his legs') Then I realized that you just push the legs up, and they completely go away. It allows more flexibility when you pull them down, but it doesn't have to stay that way.

[@mpcollector8807]

Great video. I own both figures...and Bobby about captured my feelings completely.

[@harryruffin1548]

I’m ready for the dangerous convo next week, I’m very curious to say the least.

[@inflewence]

It's crazy how you can see confirmation bias. During your review of MS, I was like I can't replace my Newage but that's what I bought lol. Side by side when you point out the upper body I'm like damnit.

[@domd8290]

You said it the end. The build / materials put NA over the top IMO. Price of the newage may be more but you're paying for a better built figure with better paint and better materials. So it's worth the extra cost IMO. Now add the upgraded hips with 3rd party back filler to NA and you got maybe the greatest Megs of all time.

[@barbahuub]

So you have to buy NA Meg AND a upgrade kit, to make him look somewhat better, but still nowhere near as cartoon accurate as MS Megs? Look at NA Meg, his legs are ugly, his waist area is ugly, back isn't clean, he just looks so incredibly lanky...

[@Levi_52_336]

Newage just revealed their Ultra Magnus, and in turn, their Optimus Prime.

[@Trikeboy2]

yeah, and it isn't that good. Stumpy alt mode and oddly proportioned Ultra Magnus. The white Prime looks decent though.

[@Levi_52_336]

@@Trikeboy2 I think I prefer NA OP over MS OP, but MS definitely takes the win where Ultra Magnus is concerned. When talking about the actual truck mode, I still prefer Na, as it seems it has an interior. Sure, the truck bed is DX9 Dutch/MP-44 levels of mess, but strangely enough, I prefer that look over obvious legs.

[@snitchbug]

Joel Wrubel can’t seem to find that do you have a link?

[@snitchbug]

Joel Wrubel weird... i thought the first one looked fine this seems to have those chunkier proportions the takara one went for

[@AwesomeMooseSmile]

The one thing that really put me off of the newage figure is how they did the hips, but apparently with the re release I think they fixed that issue so I'd still prefer it over the magic square, because I don't really like bulky megatrons, for some reason it appears more awkward than the cartoon design.

[@thugg4lif]

Bobby=Godmode

[@cadsux]

Is it paint, or is it really a clear-coat? And there is New Age's alternate hip & lower legs assembly which improves it somewhat.

[@mikehock5285]

I would say either/or is better than none at all. Unfortunately for Newage, MS killed them so bad in the overall sculpt, that all the paint/clear coat in the world wouldn’t have won them this one.

[@nated1792]

At least have them transformed correctly before you critique. Magic square megatron hips are not pushed up like they should be and in gun mode push the feet up thats why the toes have articulation. Great show

[@albineigengrau3212]

I don't have any interest in Legend figures, but I did enjoy this comparison and it reenforced one thought in my mind: we still don't have a definitive MP Megatron.

[@Glitch969]

I actually like the Magic Square plastic.

[@Anduril1974]

As do I. It allows for far more creative and cleaner transformations. And it's durable as hell.

[@cowboybarbaryn1302]

Just prefacing this by apologizing for providing an overly long criticism/opinion that was in no way asked for. This is a very interesting case I think, because despite understanding and to an extent agreeing with magic square taking most of the points. I still think it’s the worse figure. The transformation is an entire third of the figure, in addition to the robot and alt modes. Each part plays into each other when the figure comes into play. And so I think ultimately the problem lies in the scoring system. Specifically in that each section is given equal weight. On paper giving every part equal weight is good but, a figure technically looking better, having more accessories, and a slightly wider range of articulation means nothing if it feels like crap to handle, and the transformation feels like crap as well. Maybe that’s just down to my personal sensibilities, but I feel like transformation, and the materials and build quality should be weighted higher than appearance and articulation, especially if either of those two things are affected by the materials and the transformation. Alternatively a transformation can also be fun enough to make up for a lackluster robot mode or slightly sub par materials (specifically have Cybertron Deluxe Thundercracker in mind when I say this). Basically each of these qualities is influenced by others and isolating them all and providing the equal weight when some have more influence on the overall quality of the figure than others, (transformation and material/build quality over the figure looking clean in both modes and the range of articulation. Although there is obviously a point where either of those two can become too compromised and the transformation is at fault for that.) TLDR: I think the outcome of this comparison shows the flaws of this system in how isolating each aspect of a figure like this instead of considering how the factors influence each other can lead to really weird outcomes.

[@g.b.f9859]

I had to go back and check, because I did not remember you mentioning price in the past, though you did. Feels kind of surprising to me given your stance on compromising based on price to even include it as a point giving category. I do disagree with some of this, though I am admittedly biased to Newage, I expected MS to win on presentation as a bot and then some, though I disagree with alt mode since it doesn't even look like all the parts are holding together in place. Such as below the hammer on the back of the pistol. I also feel like the thicker grip on the pistol is off putting on the various figures that do that.

[@domd8290]

Not to mention the feet sticking out in alt mode. Not sure how MS got the point there.

[@aaronthweatt4280]

The sweatpants metaphor doesn’t quite work, because in that scenario you have a better alternative 4th option that is immediately accessible. In the Blast-Off scenario, if you want something reminiscent of the cartoon you do not... there is no “something else.” It is still a great question: Should we buy something that we know in our hearts is far from perfect just to check the box on our shelves? I don’t have the willpower to do that, but kudos to anyone that does. I’m sure Fanstoys will have the “perfect-looking” Blast Off by 2027... but it will have single-jointed elbows and a weirdly inaccessible waist swivel 😀.

[@zilvertron]

What he meant was that you are not forced to buy anything, dont buy it just for a placeholder lasting maybe less than a year if you dont end up liking it. And if its just "the best at the moment" just play the waiting game and its bound to come up with something thats even better later on, leaving you open to spend your money on stuff thats more urgent to your tastes. To me that Blastoff had its flaws, but hes a character i dont really care that much for that i absolutely must have a perfect version of him, since it most likely gonna stay in combined mode a long time. To me personally i most likely will remove Swindle and play around with him and put it back in leg mode when im done, so to me it matters what his alt mode is and in the end what combiner team I end up buying. For others they might have a different favorite Combaticon that they need to have as perfect as possible, but if no such version exists yet, just be patient, dont settle for "good enough"

[@jonathanbrown943]

The hip joints on MS Megs are meant to be pushed up more so that they don’t stick out like that. You missed a step when transforming back to robot. Edit: that’s also why he seemed shorter during the review, because the hips were correct then.

[@cybertronianexchange595]

So I have a couple thoughts/suggestions I would like to leave you with. 1. Paint - I think giving something credit for being painted is not a good approach. Look at the head sculpt photos. Newage looks like booger paint and ruins the head sculpt. Look at the torso and pelvis area. The booger paint is back and makes the Newage look gooey and less crisp. If you are going to give credit for paint, I would take in to account cleanliness of application, and you should consider in the judgement, was paint needed or did the sculpt pull it off well enough to not need paint and allow for a better more crisp sculpted figure. 2. If you have to break the scultp to get a pose, Newage thighs moving forward for that kick, then that cant be in their favor. Newage not being able to pull off the full montey should have put the point to Magic Square. 3. Build materials - you go back to build materials being bad for Magic Square figures. There needs to be a better way to measure than then just touching them and saying it feels bad. Can it be measured by how many peices pop off during transformation or how floppy joints are or breakage? And if none happen, can they just be different but comparable? I have seen videos of someone stomping on a Magic Square Prime and nothing breaks. I haven't seen anyone do that to a New Age figure yet. Anyway, those are my thoughts. I love what you are doing and your perspective matters to me and I enjoy the content very much. Keep up the good work my dude.

[@hw7738]

I mean, all of Skullface's reviews are going to be his tastes and collector bias. All the points you mentioned, particularly paint, he's brought up before. In this video he literally gave MS the point over NA's limited Hip joint (what you called Thigh). He's mentioned loose pieces and joints in previous MS releases. I have both MS and NA figures, there's definitely a difference in the feel.

[@cybertronianexchange595]

@@hw7738 Right, I am not saying he hasnt, but he didn't in this one and I dont recall when he has, just calling what I saw and made a suggestion. Giving the point to the hip or thigh to MS I must not have saw that correctly, I only watched it once and happily retract that statement if it is as you say. I too have both NA and MS and yes, I can tell a difference in touch, but it doesnt make one better than the other was my point. It may feel better, but is it? I would say material being better comes from the transformation and play and how it holds up. Stress marks, cracks, breakage, loose joints, parts popping off. All could be factors in material (as well as engineering in sigular cases rather than mirrored joints). I have both of these Megatrons and I will say that MS is sloppy out of the box in regards to mold cleanup. I didn't notice some flashing on my copy and cracked a hip skirt hing. I like Bobby's perspective on Transformers and really only watch his videos because of it. I don't expect to agree all the time and I certainly wasn't beating him up for it. I just noticed some things that didn't add up as logical conclusions and wanted to make a friendly suggestion. Take it or leave it, no hurt feelings either way.

[@hw7738]

@@cybertronianexchange595 Fair enough. Cheers.

[@astartespete]

You are an incredibly sensitive man, who inspires joy-joy feelings in all those around you! OK, ego boost administered, bring on the dangerous conversation my good chum.

[@sammyboy6823]

I like new age especially that I have his upgrade for his back..

[@_AlexB_]

A dogshit sandwich could win over ms imo. Materials are everything. Kid comparisons are hilarious, thanks :)

[@aarongrove4744]

Danger vid.. racking my brain on what TF subject could be considered dangerous.. i got nothing

[@erichoskins8812]

For me magic square has a superior transformation. Its more complex and hence more fun. Its a masterpiece level transformation in the legends scale. That said newage is also fun.

[@cybertronianexchange595]

One other note, Magic Square had just as much butterfly movement in the shoulders as Newage.

[@Qc4073]

I think the biggest issue on New Age is the ab region. It’s way to long. Thanks Bobby I hope you all are staying safe

[@mK-lw4pi]

You hear about the newage optimus and magnus?

[@doomslayerprime9749]

If I gotta be honest Kinda wish both versions should have the ability to be weilded be masterpiece figures lile Soundwave or even 3rd party combiners like Devastator

[@kek23k]

They are way too big even in gun mode to be held by an MP but I've got the Newage and it could easily be held by any of the Zeta/Toyworld combiners.

[@mechaknuckle]

The newage one feels more like megatron

[@morpheusprime]

You forgot to mention the shin rocker on volatus lol

[@alphatrion100]

I already have megotroun. Does the job.

[@philipbauman4032]

I’m curious if you’d be able to swap the heads and the MS still be able to transform. That’s head is just an eye sore for me.

[@Mechanic618]

Appreciate you pushing back on the MMC figures. They simply aren't good. Being the best in a group of trash is still trash.

[@brenoferreiraferreira4409]

There are a couple of things I don't get about your scale chart, I'm sure you're doing your best with what you're given but still I need to ask!!! MS released an Optimus figure first so to be in the right scale this new Megatron should be at the same size as their Optimus and it isn't, it's bigger. MS Megatron is bigger then NA Megatron and on the images you showed relating the scale chart the NA Megatron had his head over the line and the MS one had his head on the line. If MS is bigger how can his head be on the line and the NA be higher?!!! That means you're using two different scale charts, that could make sense if one was the MS scale chart and the other was the NA scale chart but since MS Megatron is bigger then their take on Optimus, Megatron's head should be higher then the line on the MS scale chart so you're not using a MS scale chart and a NA scale chart. Why are you using two different scale charts and which scale charts are those?!!! NA never released another figure that should have the same size has Megatron so it's closer to the right size then MS who released another character that should be the exact same size and isn't. MS completely fails on the scale department, if there is one thing where NA wins every time besides the materials and paint is the scale, at least according to the Sunbow scale chart. MS is all over the place with their scale, first they where following the DX9 scale, like with their take on Blaster which was the same size as the DX9 Soundwave, then they started a different scale with their car bots, another with their trucks and yet another with their minibots, only two of those where in scale with each other and in scale with their Optimus (I don't even know which was which any longer). Now they released a new Soundwave and a new Megatron that are barely in the same scale with each other (Soundwave is to big) and both these two are not in scale with their Optimus, they may be in scale with one of the other 4 different scales they have been releasing but not with Optimus. The only thing where the scale of MS is better is mimicking the absolute disaster the original cartoon scale was. Is it me, am I missing something important relating the TF scale?!!! Please don't tell me that the original scale was all over the place because almost every one agrees that the Sunbow chart is the one we should follow. I would like all companies to respect the same scale and scale chart but at lest I would want them to respect their own scale chart, there can be exceptions ofc otherwise we would never get characters like Unicron or Metroplex but all the other characters should be on the right scale. Maybe your MS scale chart reflects the MS scale chart mess and that is why according to some figures what you showed us may actually be right but even so NA should have won the scale since in the overall they are following the same scale and scale chart. Thanks for the comparison Mr. Skullface and sorry for my outburst, even though it may come across as directed to you it wasn't, it was directed to MS. I like theirs figures and I'm not bothered by their material and lack of finish paint wise (in fact I even like their figures matte look) but I hate the fact that their scale is all over the place, to some one like me, to whom the scale is important, I have a hard time displaying their figures with the rest of my Legends collection and even within their own releases. I know I can stop buying MS figures altogether but I believe as a collector and as a MS client I'm entitled to express my opinion and try to push them into what I think is the right path. I've been trusting them to respect their own scale chart and prior to having the figures in hand I don't know if their going to do that or not (I can wait for reviews or comparisons like yours, they are a big help to the community but if I wait too much the prices tend to go up and I already spend too much money as it is) so it ends up not being fair for me as a buyer. Again thank you Mr. Skullface you know I love and follow your work.

[@zilvertron]

please use enter now and then cause that comment is just 1 massive book and i aint even gonna TRY reading it

[@alphatrion100]

Just get megotroun and prop skypillar. They scale great together.

[@brenoferreiraferreira4409]

@@alphatrion100 sozewaghtyeolofen... for you to man!!!

[@brenoferreiraferreira4409]

@@zilvertron Yes I understand but if you have time to write a comment about how big my comment was maybe you could try to use that time to actually read it and you may find that you agree with what I'm writing.

[@zilvertron]

@@brenoferreiraferreira4409 With the price of a headache? no thanks

[@amusedjester]

For Scale, I'm confused that it shows 2 completely different results against the same line chart. The perspective of the shot changes things dramatically. It does show that MS stands almost a full head above NewAge. Because of the different shots of the line chart comparison, it's a shame you didn't have a MS Prime to compare these 2 against. I actually have the Newage megatron and MS prime and they stand almost perfectly at the same height; megatron stands maybe millimeter higher. This would mean that the MS Megatron would too tall and too wide against their own MS prime. Watching them side by side I would almost agree that the MS megatron looks better. However on it's own, Newage megatron looks more correct. What matters at the end of the day, though, is how well they look against the prime in your collection. For me, NewAge is much better to have with the MS Prime. I really wanted 1 line to complete my legends and although MS, i think, does the best sculpt; their scale is too much messed up against their own products.

[@alphatrion100]

New ages are always smaller. I bought their jazz. Useless. Waay too small I like the bigger mech fans toys scale. For example they stole the ms blaster and improved it and made it bigger.

[@MythsAndHeroes]

deos drago they’re 2 different scale charts. Magic square is using the magic square scale chart. New age is using new age scale chart

[@amusedjester]

@@MythsAndHeroes I was actually referring to the line chart you had in the background of the 2 figures. It's the same one, right? But shot at different angles?

[@amusedjester]

@@alphatrion100 I guess it depends on the buyer's perspective. I try to use the Sunbow line chart and sometimes the cartoon but mostly fall on the chart for size reference and the NewAge carbots and their Jazz is a perfect match for MS Prime. Although, theor Ratchet and Ironhide are a smidge smaller than I would like.

[@MythsAndHeroes]

deos drago no. It’s not.

[@randywatson8347]

Magic square looks too beefy.

[@mrhay2u]

The Magic Square one looks like it has on a thong

[@aarongrove4744]

No interest in purchasing either.. but it was very interesting video! Seeing how far that scale has come.. very well put together Bobby!

[@sammyboy6823]

Magic square is to beefy

[@hakjob9847]

Vortex is the weakest for me. He cant even rotate his right arm and his head pops off when you look at him.

[@hakjob9847]

And yeah his arm "can" rotate, but the kible from his helocopter mode restricts it outer rotation making it useless. I dont think any reveiwer mentioned it because majority of them are right handed so they only rotated the left arm and not the right

[@hakjob9847]

@@LesterFecto still dont like the a semetry. Its just a wierd choice since that peice couldve just been molded better with a half circular jut around the peice. Im going to do it myself and maybe fix the head. I would hope they just release a neck upgrade but instead they are releasing heads of all things (swindle third head came with blast off i think) times like this makes me wish i had a 3d printer lol

[@jerryperry1788]

This is a shameful Newage figure they’ve ever made

[@leanmeangreenbeanmachine3347]

the paint on the newage doesn’t even look good lmao

[@dommic9593]

I have both these figures and are both good . newage megatron has a crotch upgrade from the company and it gets much better in posability and aspect . i wish he stops bashing magic square materials because its made of certain abs plastic that does not break so easy . watch the video on sun of the empire about their materials . they use their legends inferno figure. these figures are little master pieces and except for their price there aint much to critisize . here in europe we purchase hasbro deluxe figures for stupid prices because they are imports so i can simpatize with these opinions but still if you like g1 figures and dont want to spend money on masterpiece products it is a good alternative. also if it does not matter the size for you

[@kaseyflemingart]

Newage ABS plastic > Magicsquare Nylon Plastic. I also like the more narrow chest on newage over magicsquare

[@ryandozier8053]

Call me crazy- I wouldn’t transform my Megatron unless it was masterpiece scale, which would in turn make the gun life sized or just about. I think personally I prefer the look of the MS.