MZ/IB Archive - WCCD Grace Café: It FEELS Like Free Will: The Action On Stage - (July 28, Hour 1)

[@LindaMorse-y2d]

Happy Sunday Saints. Love ❤️ you all. This Grace Cafe/Martin Zender is such a blessing in my life.

[@dawng.2919]

Good morning my beautiful family! 🕊️💕

[@EagleSean]

Good Morning Martin 🥰 And Y'all Recipients Of Grace, Love, Peace ✌️ Blessings 🤟

[@marcob4645]

@@EagleSean I admire your belief. Universal salvation is real in a scripture. There ain’t no hell no God will put any of his children in a dungeon of fire. He would have to be a psychopath to do someway that I want to come to free well whether you see it or not, both sides are written in the Bible at least 30 scriptures each. You can’t just OK your past just agree with everything. He says you have to search and look and find out questions about children of God and we have the same beliefs, but there is a question of I think God created our will and his will he could do whatever he wants this guy today says he cannot do that. He can do whatever he wants. He will have him have us maybe 70% maybe 30% us in charge. Say if you don’t work you don’t eat we know God made all the food and God made us out so we can eat we know all that, but we have to don’t choose to paste what toilet paper you gonna buy we have choices and we also choose and choosing as well as the same word, Paul says if you don’t work, you’re not gonna eat so you have to do something to get food on the table we all know God provided it to 30 scriptures saying that we have to do something don’t give into anybody unless you ask tens of questions

[@paulakruiswijk5985]

Its indeed unbelievble when you think on it that the christians actually do not get the basics... What a Grace we got that we believe. Thank you for this teaching of today Martin, wonderfull to see so much BoC in this video.

[@marcob4645]

@@paulakruiswijk5985 no one kin hear is saying that God‘s grace did not saved you in all my messages you cannot find that I believe in all my heart that god did saved me by his grace , not of me but of him , what that got to do with a man and wife getting into a accident and the baby dies is that God’s will or is it because the man don’t drive? God put Satan in this world to deceive us and to allow him to take us down the wrong path. God knew everything in advance, but he did not plan your decision.

[@srvafool]

Tony Nungesser and Dean Hough. I love them both. Jim Coram, same. Bringing truth for decades. When I first came into the knowledge of the truth of God's plan for all, I had conversations with Tony about it. He assured me that I was on the right path. The Concordant Publishing Concern has been such a blessing in my life. I can't begin to thank God enough that He assigned AE Knoch to start this work of God's truth. One the other hand, I see so many people who wish they had free will so they could take some credit for God's work. I read a great article about "God's revealed will versus His hidden intention". Absolutely outstanding video Martin. Thanks for all you do.

[@JKBelle]

Always the meat 🥩 of the Word and the FULLNESS of the truth from Martin! L Ray helped me out in the beginning of my journey understanding the salvation of all, but just as you said I could not agree that revelation was 100% symbolism.

[@jenniferweiss4734]

Absolutely amazing video, Martin.❤

[@zendermeister]

Thank you, Jennifer. ❤

[@GregUniRec]

Understanding the nature and reality of death, for me at least, kills two birds with one stone. If we understand that death is non-existence, that there is no soul floating around waiting for its body to be raise, we don't exist (kill #1), then what is the purpose of hell? There's nothing to put there to be eternally tormented (kill #2). I learned of the 2 gospels in the early 2000's. Almost 10 years later, I found you and Dan on the radio. You were teaching that there is so much more to the 2 gospels than I could have imagined. The nature of death was the first new thing I accepted, which made it easier to stop believing in eternal torment. The rest of my false beliefs fell like dominoes. What a great video to go with this teaching today. Seeing all of my fellow BoC believers was awesome. Thanks to Rodney, Kelly (nice to see her) and of course Martin (and the Grace Cafe). What a way to start my Sundays. God bless you all.

[@freedom4life77]

These presentations are great

[@nancykelly5287]

So, so good. Love this teaching. Can’t get enough of the truth. Thanks Martin and Rodney❣️

[@TheGreatUnfoldingRobWile]

Love how your putting these together Rodney and Martin, Love Grace Cafe' ❤

[@R.L.Buick.]

Outstanding production Rodney. Zender, you covered all bases. Kudos

[@matthewmichaelson9806]

Hey I know lots of those cool people in the video clips 😀✌️! Love you all, family of faith.

[@SandyMiller-ep9tl]

Great vid!! 🙏🏼💜

[@crystalaviles4091]

Simple God is playing both sides at his own discretion. He is the potter we are the Clay. We all have a part to play in a sense. I just want to love my brothers and sisters and try to be the a light for the world during this dark and chaotic world. But remember the darkness cannot overtake God's light. Darkness has no where to hide and can only go to the light. Chaos can be transformed into something beautiful. I didn't understand God at first. I questioned him and even started doubting my faith but slowly I came back to see that God is working and will fulfill his promise we just have to be patient, i pray everyone will see for themselves at their own time, it took me almost 4 years to realize what was going on. His love is bigger than we all can understand.

[@teejosh9550]

Great message ❤🎉😊. I wonder what it would have looked like if this program had been run continuously on this media.

[@truthseekers1620]

if we lived in the absolute nobody would do anything

[@zendermeister]

Right! Great comment. You've got it.

[@srvafool]

They believed Jesus "died", but they don't believe he was dead. What??

[@marcob4645]

Where in the Bible does it say the rain came from the cloud and God put the rain in the cloud which I believe is true also , as a speaker you can make anything sound the way the speaker wants it to sound you got that example of the clouds like the cloud is a man comparing man with a mind and a cloud that don’t have a mind that God is in control of the rain I agree , but we can’t compare apples with peaches, you cannot compare the cloud to a man

[@zendermeister]

You are overthinking it. Take two aspirin and call me in the morning.

[@marcob4645]

So the man taking the test passed the test and everyone else in the class failed and he was congratulated , and he was proud, but someone came up to him and said do you know everything comes from God , so passing the test came from God, so my question is , is it because he studied harder than the other people in the group or God gave it to him even if he didn’t study and the other question is did he do something on his own more than others to receive God’s gift passing the test, and the other students didn’t pass the test we all know they did study harder than the other guy so the gift was there for them too, but just they didn’t study hard enough. Is that true or false? Yes, everything comes from God. I agree with that, but this guy who studied harder gave up things so he can study the gift was from God a man did something to receive that gift and if you didn’t do it like studying harder, it would’ve flunk like everyone everyone else is that true or false.

[@GregUniRec]

I had a different take on this analogy. Martin said that he "did better" than all the other students. He didn't say he passed the test. My thought was that he did better than the others (that's the relative view) but he still got a score of 60, which is a failing score. The others all had a score of 50 or less. They all failed the test (the absolute view). I may be missing something, but that's what I took from the analogy.

[@marcob4645]

@@GregUniRec the story went like this. The class took a test. One guy did fantastic and everyone else fails. That’s the way the story was told on the program that one person that fantastic and everyone else failed so if everyone else failed then that person that did fantastic past the test. go back and listen to it again.

[@zendermeister]

Answer: "All is of God." Stop overthinking it.

[@marcob4645]

@@zendermeister no you stop taking half scriptures as truth and leaving 30 or more scriptures and throwing them away, just because that’s the way you believe , $100 million just one scripture Paul says if you don’t work, you’re not gonna eat. This is one of few scriptures that goes against what you’re teaching, This is of the person who believes that God gave him the right for his free will , and how he lives his life. This is God doing this, for his children , So we cannot be a robot , This is of the person if you don’t work, you’re not gonna eat it directed to the person that has to do something on his own. you want to throw away 20 to 40 scriptures saying that we have a choice and a free will also, there’s been a contradiction for hundreds of years and you’re telling me you have the answer bullshit. God allowed us to have a choice. It is his will that we have a choice and a part of our free world. It is his will that we have that , take it or leave it that is the best answer for this contradiction in the Bible.

[@marcob4645]

@@zendermeister I see in the Bible a contradiction the way you explain it remains a contradiction, but there is an answer because there are no contradictions in the Bible. Jesus allows you for your own free. Will God allows you for your own free well and God has his own free well, important things going on in the world to do with God and the direction of the world. Also, there are certain things going on in your life that you have free will according to the direction of your life. It doesn’t Clyde or crash with Godfree well his free will consist of salvation, the end of the world, the woman or man you choose God will include a lot of stuff, but you have free will too whether you want to work for food or do you want to take drugs or not? This is your choice. Choice means free God leaves it up to you so we have a free willand God has the major free well that’s the way I read it in the Bible otherwise is a contradiction 100% contradiction. If you don’t read it the way I’m seeing it. It is 100% contradiction.

[@marcob4645]

This program didn’t do nothing absolutely nothing to prove the contradiction in the Bible about free will. No one answered the question . Did God allowed us to have a little free will of our own? I think yes, this KZbin program did not establish the answer between God will or mans will, yeah, his stories about the cloud about the kid who passed the test that’s him deceiving people create a story that’s what all creatures do they create a story and try to put it in scripture get out of here . it did not help. The situation of contradiction still remains. Martin, did you hear that it still remains you or anybody else hasn’t ever fix this contradiction? I don’t think you ever will. I have the answer I only think , and the answer is gods will would have all man to have there own free will . The Bible speaks that grace has saved you if you don’t believe in Grace, then you have to earn it on your own by the law you can’t have boat or you have the law. God gave a choice. Do you want grace or do you want to live by the law if you live by the law, you will not inherit grace and they live by grace you destroy the law. It gave you a choice and that’s the way free will is. Martin don’t think you know it all really don’t think you know it all but that’s your problem. God gave us a choice whether you want to live in his free will or your free well my whole KZbin message to you. You just assumed that you’re always right as a problem with all preachers you’re always right to say some bad words on this, and I’m not gonna go see where you have to go if you think you’re always right

[@zendermeister]

I think that, for some reason, you still don't understand the absolute vs. the relative perspective. By the way, there is no contradiction in the Bible. And no, God does not allow anyone any free will, not even a little. I am mystified how anyone can not grasp, "God gives to all life and breath and all." Too simple? Too humiliating?

[@marcob4645]

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