MZTV 1636: This is What We're Up Against

[@nancykelly5287]

So thankful that it is not our fight, but the Lord’s. That’s backing a sure winner!

[@zendermeister]

Amen. You said it all right there, Nancy.

[@2wildboar23]

Excellent job Martin! The perfect message to listen to the day after Christmas while sipping on coffee and knocking down eight or nine more Christmas cookies. Here’s the list for convenience for the BOC. Btw- some of the verses are repeats but I divided the phrases up when making the list so that Paul’s emphasis and variety would hit harder. I was driving on the interstate and asking myself, “Just how serious is the threat? Just how serious is this topic according to Paul?” And the verses just started avalanching me. God bless deceiving spirits -1Tim4:1 their hearing being tickled -2Tim4:3 dogs -Phil 3:2 teachings of demons -1Tim4:1 directions and teachings of men -Col 2:22 false expressions -1Tim4:2 their mind as well as conscience is defiled -Titus 1:15 a different spirit -2Cor11:4 they will not tolerate sound teaching -2Tim4:3 bewitches -Gal 3:1 false apostles -2Cor11:13 perilous periods will be present -2Tim3:1 empty seduction Col 2:8 and precepts of men who are turning from the truth -Titus 1:14 a little leaven -Gal 5:9 another Jesus -2Cor11:4 wind of teaching -Eph 4:14 turning their hearing away from the truth -2Tim4:4 evil workers -Phil 3:2 the god of this eon blinds -2Cor4:4 human caprice -Eph 4:14 stratagems of the Adversary -Eph 6:11 enemies of the cross of Christ -Phil 3:18 a different gospel -Gal 1:6 fraudulent workers -2Cor11:13 craftiness- Eph 4:14 factions, dissensions, sects -Gal 5:20 Satan himself is being transfigured into a messenger of light -2Cor11:14 the systematizing of the deception -Eph 4:14 philosophy -Col 2:8 seduction of injustice -2Thess2:10 if our evangel is covered -2Cor4:3 always learning and yet not at any time able to come into a realization of the truth -2Tim3:7 human tradition -Col 2:8 transfigured as dispensers of righteousness -2Cor11:15 whose god is their bowels -Phil 3:19 despoiling you -Col 2:8 believe the falsehood -2Thess2:11 teachers in accord with their own desires -2Tim4:3 for it is not ours to wrestle with blood and flesh, but with the sovereignties, with the authorities, with the world-mights of this darkness, with the spiritual forces of wickedness among the celestials. -Eph 6:12

[@JKBelle]

Wow thank you 🙏

[@robnraa1]

Great compilation. Copied it and will use it to hopefully open some eyes.

[@lawrenceschuler9276]

Every Member of the BOC should copy this list and pass it on with brother Martins message today. It is so impactful when viewed together....40 warnings from Paul to the BOC! This just might be the video message that reaches the last brother or sister in the BOC, which then brings our snatching up to meet Christ in the air,, and the final 7 years of this most wicked aion.

[@Paula-yx2kc]

Thank you so much for this list, Larry!

[@2wildboar23]

@@Paula-yx2kc Grace and peace to you dear one!

[@dawng.2919]

Good morning my beautiful family! 🕊️💕

[@matthewmichaelson9806]

Good morning our beautiful sister 😊❤

[@dawng.2919]

@matthewmichaelson9806 😁❤️

[@simonundergrace]

Good morning, lil sis! 🌞❤️ Finally went to a doc about my back and got anti-inflammatory pills which are helping, thank God. Hope all’s well with you!

[@dawng.2919]

​@@simonundergraceSo glad to hear it.. I am hanging in there..❤️

[@caroleevandyk5544]

@@dawng.2919 Two days late, but checking in with you again Dawn!👋

[@EagleSean]

Good Morning Brother Martin And Y'all Recipients Of Grace Happy 🦅🇺🇲✌️Day

[@matthewmichaelson9806]

Good morning eaglesean ✌️

[@EagleSean]

@matthewmichaelson9806 Good Morning Brother 🦅😎✨

[@JKBelle]

❤

[@Terry-t2n2w]

Good meaning brother in Christ.

[@donaldkgarman296]

GOOD MORNING SAINTS

[@matthewmichaelson9806]

Good morning 😊

[@matthewmichaelson9806]

Good morning 😊

[@patriciatehaate236]

Good morning ❤

[@donaldhandy1060]

By the Grace Of God I'm a believer is also a great little ice breaker

[@zendermeister]

Truly!

[@patricialord6859]

Hello beautiful family!

[@zendermeister]

Greetings, Patricia!

[@TruthGrooverBOC]

Good morning, Saints ❤✌️👆

[@JoyceKreis]

I never call myself a christian...I am a believer in what He did😢😢😢bless you Martin...will always pray for you❤❤❤❤

[@zendermeister]

Thank you so much Joyce. amen to being a believer. I so appreciate the prayers---I've never turned down a prayer yet!

[@maryy2121]

Love y’all ❤️can’t imagine how miserable I would feel now if I didn’t have u all❤️

[@lionbear7706]

Same

[@JKBelle]

Same ❤

[@Annatar]

So would most of us. We are mostly isolated

[@billya3628]

Right there with ya.

[@zendermeister]

I feel the same way!

[@MatthewFisher-v1k]

MZ, we thank you for this review this morning. M’s Hottubians ❤️

[@zendermeister]

You are welcome. do you guys spend all day in the hottub?😛

[@MatthewFisher-v1k]

@ MZ, that would be fun. We start our day there. We listen while we tub. This morning was listening to the Iowa Conference; we reminisced about eating lunch with you and you meeting our dog Maxine. We love your inspirational and encouraging show. M’s Hottubians❤️

[@Zedek_PhD]

“The poison is in the name” wow that hits hard Martin…. I won’t be able to forget that reference

[@zendermeister]

Amen. Satan has STOLEN the names of God and Christ. Absolutely insidious evil.

[@undergrace722]

🔆Grace and Peace🔆

[@robertlakey]

I focus more on how many will become believers - all! The only difference is WHEN we become believers. A few now and all the rest later. So, when I get disgusted with those advocating eternal conscious torment, etc., I just thank God that their belief is temporary - at the most a few days (one day is with the Lord as a thousand years). And I pray for them as Paul advised Timothy (1 Tim 2:1). It gives me peace in this faithless world.

[@svenandhelga6959]

I hear you. As much as I despise the teachings of the god of Christianity, I very much look forward to the people caught up in those lies, seeing the truth of the wonderment of the COMPLETED work of our Lord

[@zendermeister]

this is a good thing to do. thanks for encouraging us all along this line, Robert.

[@jenniferweiss4734]

Well said, Martin. I learn more about God and his son Christ Jesus from you and other members of the body of Christ. Welcome to any and all new subscribers to the truth. ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@zendermeister]

Thank you, Jennifer. I welcome all new subscribers as well.

[@GregUniRec]

We are definitely fighting an uphill battle against the lies of Satan. No-one wants to hear the truth of God. Let me rephrase that... very, very few want to hear. The god of this eon has a strangle hold on humanity. I love how you closed this video. The fight is not ours, it's the Lords, and WE WIN! Praise God! Praise our Lord Jesus! WE WIN!!! (sorry for the exclamation points, I couldn't help myself).

[@2wildboar23]

It is a total miracle that God brought us out of such massive thick widespread deception. It continues to astonish me. Hallelujah

[@JKBelle]

@@2wildboar23I was just saying the same thing. It’s an absolute total miracle!

[@zendermeister]

Sometimes exclamation points are required, Greg. Certainly the case here.

[@teejosh9550]

Great message ❤🎉. Last week, I told my mom to think about this fact: If Christian was a derogatory name in those days and people would hide to avoid being persecuted for their faith, why is it not happening again? It implies that Christianity is not what it used to be now because the derogatory name has now become celebrated name. Something must have gone wrong somewhere.

[@zendermeister]

this is a freaking excellent point, TJ.

[@teejosh9550]

@@zendermeister yes sir 😊

[@vernmiller4175]

Hey good morning saints I like the church building background picture. It lets ppl know we are not against the building 😂

[@lisadisme]

beautiful buildings..I love those windows and rafters or whatever those wooden beam things are.

[@zendermeister]

Haha, yep, it's just the people IN the building. But I hate the building as well because it lures the unsuspecting with its beautiful human architecture. so actually, I AM against the building!

[@Annatar]

Hey Body of Christ! Let's do a roll call! Jorge here, from Puerto Rico. Now I'm a bit of a digital nomad traveling mostly in Europe, based in Poland

[@zendermeister]

Glad to have you along for this ride, Annatar. Greetings to you in Puerto Rico.

[@LindaMorse-y2d]

I pray I'm just a believer.

[@zendermeister]

You are a believer, which is more than being "just" a believer. It's a living miracle.

[@LindaMorse-y2d]

@zendermeister that made me smile. God gives to all: life and breath and all. You and I and all here are indeed miracles. Let's just keep enduring....

[@lisadisme]

Imagine Paul if he was able to see the shit show that is Christianity..guess he did now that I think about it..see 2 Timothy 3.

[@zendermeister]

Yes, true. But I don't think even Paul could believe how rotten things have gone.

[@patriciatehaate236]

BODY OF CHRIST IS What I call myself

[@zendermeister]

that works!

[@1ladolcevita1]

Great video and comment...it's kinda numbing the breadth of the deceit. Truth is even the what we call protestants are really still catholic. Just slightly reformed. (that's why it was called the reformation). Just because we call a priest a pastor, a mass a worship service, the eucharist the Lord's supper and so forth, Nothing really changed. They stand up there and perform, we sit and watch. I love your tongue in cheek backgrounds. Was the Pugh research organization really the "pew" research team?

[@lisadisme]

@@1ladolcevita1 I call them Catholic lite..all the crap with only 1/2 the guilt.

[@zendermeister]

Hello! In fact, it actually IS the "PEW RESEARCH TEAM." That's the literal spelling of it. And you are so correct about Protestants being only a different form of Catholics. Spot on observation.

[@JKBelle]

As of late I have been correcting myself and saying I AM NOT a Christian (and I’m especially not “the bride” of Christ.. so annoying how many of these religious Christians ALWAAAAAAYS talk about “marrying Jesus” and being “the bride). 😖 I simply say “to my knowledge, I am a member of the BODY of Christ because I actually believe Christ died, and was actually NON-EXISTENT for 3 days, rose from the dead and is the firstborn of a new creation.

[@caroleevandyk5544]

That is a very good way to put it when asked what l am and believe. Got to remember your post!

[@zendermeister]

You are so RIGHT ON, JK.

[@truthseekers1620]

it really sad our God is a winner not a loser our God's saved the entire human race their god's a hypocrite their god burns their enemies

[@zendermeister]

Yep, that's what they believe.

[@KeeferAGM45]

Can you talk about coming clean and what to do about shame and guilt? I think what has happened is years ago I thought I could get away with "doing wrong", didn't, and then ever since I've been trying to run away from shame that by this point is almost 20 years old. And AS MUCH as you preach grace on here, as much as I see it in yours and Stephen's and Ace's writings... I NEVER have been able to open up to God about it. In therapy I always stopped there, because I'd get physically ill and try to FORCE myself to open up, but couldn't. The thing I've been after from God this whole time is TRUST... and I learned from all this time "trying" that trust is not something I can conjure up within myself. What I think has happened is that the last few years my picture of Dad has changed a lot from the angry, "go to Hell" kinda god I used to know... but I'm still expecting that if I "open up" I'll hate myself. THIS IS WHY the locusts vs the people I wrote you bothered me so much. To explain that, I need you to understand the background I have... I always wanted someone in my life I could be my honest, flawed self with and not fear repercussions. Growing up, admitting fault was met with anger, derision, and then catalogued for future weoponization for putting me down later, etc. It was easier to do nothing than to fail and endure "shame". Love was "purchased" by being good or "staying out of trouble". It was never free, I could never actually be myself. The big turning point of my life into this was me stealing my moms wedding ring when I was twelve This post is the first I've mentioned it in years it feels like. I'm about 30 now. It's almost 20 years since. I've done a lot of "good" since then, taking care of my dying grandparents and things like that... and yet it feels like THAT event and everything else I'm still running from. It still makes my heart stop thinking about it. I did a lot of other awful things too throughout my life, as I imagine most have in their lives. I CAN'T SEE GRACE....because if I can't see myself HOW can I see God loving it? If I'm afraid to look at myself, then I can't see God loving that very thing I'm terrified of, can't see Him with me. It seems to me that only when I "trust" Him enough... I'll open up to Him. The same was in therapy, I only ever started to speak when I started to realize the guy across from me didn't HATE me. I'm afraid of accepting shame because I'm afraid the feelings of guilt and shame will consume me and I'll become even worse then now, despise myself and what I am. The locusts and tribulation bother me because I KNOW a bunch of people who do things to avoid shame like me. People who DON'T KNOW what it's like to be able to be an honest, broken person and receive love in truth rather than having to act around it. I myself? SO MUCH of what I do that's "good" isn't for the thing itself, but trying to BURY shame with good works so as to not HATE myself. And I'm afraid if I open up and see what's inside me I'll hate myself so much, maybe to the point of dying. I guess I was just "hoping" God would take certain people and DO that with them in a gentle and kind way rather than beating them up until they "spit their guilt out". I have a hard time believing if He's willing to hurt others like me, He wouldn't also want to torment me too. All I've ever really wanted to was to feel safe and loved so much that I can be HONEST and let go and not get crap back, get more hurt and pain in return. No more "you disappoint me" and "you are horrible" stuff. Can you talk about this? And also, can you talk about Paul not feeling guilty? I saw your mztv 1310 (I think) about him having a clean conscience but... would he still not feel bad even after the fact, remembering things like killing people? How exactly does this work? Paul didn't LOATH and hate himself so... what's going on, exactly? Or in my case, how would justification, lets say... make me not feel guilty for something horrible I did to my parents when I was 12? Becuase when I think of Christ on a cross, it makes me think "I got that Guy killed because I'm such a horrible awful thing" and it depresses me and makes me walk away for a bit. It's like I think the cross is an example of God's disappointment with me, still. :/

[@tonylehr8714]

We all sucked. That's why Christ died for all.

[@mattloyselle9218]

Hi there, these people here care about you, and so do I, even though we haven't met. My names Matt, I'm not a teacher, or a good writer, I'm just a nobody believer that can sort-of relate with those feelings of guilt and shame you have. I read all of your comment, and I wish there was a two sentence statement I could say that would make everything make sense, but I don't think there is. It sounds like you think that God is still upset with you, or is angry with you, or even hates you. And you mentioned it's because Jesus Christ had to die on the cross for your sins, like it could have been avoided if you would have just did a better job, or something like that. The thing about broken people, is that they're......well...broken, someone who is broken can't help to not be broken, and your not alone there, we are all broken in some way. We don't get to really choose the situation we get handed and we screw them up alot. There are things in my life I wish I would have handled differently, but it just doesn't work because I'm a sinner and so are you. God knows this, he knows everything about us, he knows that we are broken and mess things up, you haven't done anything that he is not aware of. If there is one person (in a matter of speaking) that you can trust, and be honest and open with it would be God, our faults do not phaze him, he's too big for that. He hasn't abandoned you, he has a vested interest in seeing you fixed, and made well, that's why when we were still sinners, Christ died for our sakes. This wasn't God or Christ putting on display the faults or wretchedness of man, it wasn't God showing humanity "look what you made me do". This was God fixing a problem, what problem? Sin, missing the mark, the thing that causes God to turn his face (figuratively) from humanity, and It was done, it was finished, before you even had a chance to do anything. That's why there is now no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus, the problem that God had with us was taken care of by Christ, a problem that we inherited really, from Adam. So I can say confidently that God is now at peace with you and me, there is no more need to feel guilty or ashamed, God is not holding any of that against you, to him, all of that died with Christ on the cross. And the best part, God raise him from the grave without it! God's beloved son is alive and seated at his right side. So with sin taken care of, he can freely give us his grace, without having us do anything in return, and with God at peace with you, you can be completely open and honest with him about who you are, and not get crap back. No disappointment, no loathing, no "you should have done better" just love, and understanding, and grace from our father God. That's the best news ever. And maybe when you can see how that God loves you and is at peace with who you are, you can start to love yourself, and be at peace with who you are. I'm really sorry this comment was extremely long, and I hope It was in someway helpful. Everyone here loves, and cares about you, I'm praying that God gives you understanding to receive these truths and that you see more of God's love and guidance on your path in life. Grace and peace to you from God our father and the lord Jesus Christ.

[@caroleevandyk5544]

@@mattloyselle9218Hi Matt, your reply to Keefer is spot on. Very well said.

[@caroleevandyk5544]

Hi Keefer, we all feel for you but you will continue to struggle with these painful feelings and thoughts until you see God accurately, which you have not yet, it would seem. You said you think the cross is an example of God’s disappointment with you. And you killed Jesus. Now, is that true or false? I appreciate that your view is heavily influenced by your upbringing and the kind of father you had, from what l think l understand from your comments. However, your views of God are false due to the fear and shame you have been experiencing. You need to have a better understanding of this problem of shame and guilt. Consider this quote, “In fact, shame is the satanic antithesis of God’s love. If the love of God heals, fills, and frees us to partner with the resurrected Jesus in his battle for humanity-shame assaults, cripples, and enslaves us, causing us to be both personally miserable and Kingdom ineffective. Psychiatrist Curt Thompson’s words are paradigm altering: “[Shame] is used…to dismantle us as individuals and communities and destroy all of God’s creation. [Shame] is the primary tool that evil leverages, out of which emerges everything that we would call sin.” In other words, we don’t sin in a vacuum. We choose sin under the influence of a deadly, spiritual toxin called shame. God loves us and creates us to respond most naturally to his love (John 14:23). His love never, ever gives us reason to disobey. Only shame beckons us toward the darkness, shouting to our spirit day and night, “No one loves you. You’re alone. You have no hope. Be afraid. Hide-behind performance, money, addiction, violence, sadness, or even some warped version of Christianity. Live feeling rejected. Every day of your miserable life.” Without doubt, Satan’s shame isn’t simply trying to slow us down or distract us. Shame wants our very selves to die.” And didn’t you say that, “And I'm afraid if I open up and see what's inside me I'll hate myself so much, maybe to the point of dying.” See, the adversary wants you to die. Keefer, you have been assaulted, crippled and enslaved. And only meditating on the truths of who God is will set you free. Here’s another quote, “Shame does indeed have many faces. It seems to be everywhere and yet still be elusive. Maybe that’s why you can’t do anything with it until you put words on it. But God puts words on it, so we should too. That itself can be hopeful. It can also leave us wanting more. If you want more right away, just watch Jesus. He goes out of his way to meet, touch, bless, and restore the shamed: - a Samaritan woman who is not measuring up to community standards - a woman whose sexual past identifies her as a “sinful woman” - lepers - tax collectors - a woman whose bleeding renders her unclean - a disciple who denies any association with him (see John 21) The gospel of Jesus is “I AM YOURS AND YOU ARE MINE, AND I’M NOT LETTING YOU GET AWAY!” So please meditate on God’s truth that you have been crucified with Christ, you are a new creation and your past and present is not a problem for God. What l hear you saying all the time is that you are constantly meditating on what you have done wrong in your life and you feel so awful about it that you can get no peace of mind in your relationship with your Creator. What you think about all the time will determine how you see yourself and God.

[@zendermeister]

Keefer, I can't say anything more about it than I've already said.

[@truthseekers1620]

don't they know by falsifying God like falsifying info saying he gonna burn his enemies and taking his name they are taking his name in vain

[@JKBelle]

No they can’t see it. They say it’s God’s “justice!”

[@zendermeister]

They for sure don't know that. But it's still for sure true.

[@Annatar]

We are truly up against a fearsome enemy. By the way Martin, Buddhism and Hinduism did indeed exist hundreds of years before Christ came in the flesh, around 500 BC, though Hinduism's predecessor, the Vedic religion and caste system, stems back to around 1500 BC.

[@zendermeister]

I didn't know that! Thanks for the info, Annatar.

[@kunkun6562]

What is the separation of heaven and earth for believers and non-believers?

[@JKBelle]

The body of Christ receives an inheritance among the celestials at the snatching away and we get in early. Izzy-reel will get 1,000 years to rule the earth and Satan will be put away. Most people now will die during the great tribulation hence the reason that there’s 1000 years to repopulate the earth, etc.

[@kunkun6562]

@ what about after the 1000 years

[@kunkun6562]

@@JKBelle also martin says ‘decent’ people aren’t condemned at the GWT which just isn’t the case as no one is good enough on works. A decent friend or family member to us is in fact a sinner

[@JKBelle]

@@kunkun6562I never said anything about being a decent person. I have no idea who’s going to be at the GWT judgement and who will experience the 2nd death before death is abolished. It’s about the ELECTION of God. Romans talks about a ELECTION before anyone was born, doing anything good or bad. Ultimately all will be saved, but that’s in the 5th Eon after the 1000 year millennial reign.

[@zendermeister]

Hello. Not sure I understand this question. some believers are going to heaven (the body of Christ) and some will remain on earth (the bride of the Lambkin; Israel). As far as we know, non-believers will finally be saved at the Great White Throne and will be on the new earth.

[@truthseekers1620]

the gospel is so simple even a baby could understand it

[@tonyladokguy8985]

Or the GEICO caveman!

[@JKBelle]

@@tonyladokguy8985 yet religious Christians NEVER understand it

[@zendermeister]

True. And yet it takes the spirit of God to understand it.

[@zendermeister]

@@tonyladokguy8985 🤣 Or the Geico gecko.

[@truthseekers1620]

@@zendermeister very true i did not come to this conclusion on my own

[@yostoisonin2559]

Actually, hinduism and buddhism were there centuries before Paul. But that isn't the point, I know.

[@zendermeister]

But it's good to know. I didn't realize that.

[@Paula-yx2kc]

Martin, you sure look a little outa place with the background on this vid! 🤔😁

[@theloveofthetruth]

#Paul Speaking#Concordant Version: the FELLOWSHIP of HIS sufferings, Conforming TO HIS DEATH. What you are sowing is NOT being vivified if it should NOT BE DYING. (Phil 3:10 CLV)(1 Cor 15:36 CLV) we are being PUT TO DEATH the whole day, We are reckoned as SHEEP FOR SLAUGHTER." (Rom 8:36 CLV) DAILY am I DYING. (1 Cor 15:31 CLV) but that which is HIDDEN IS THE JEW, and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, in SPIRIT, not in letter, whose applause is NOT of men, but of GOD." (Rom 2:29 CLV) for WE ARE THE CIRCUMCISION who are offering divine service in the SPIRIT OF GOD, and are glorying in CHRIST JESUS, and have no confidence in flesh." (Phili 3:3 CLV) and should be reconciling BOTH IN ONE BODY to GOD through THE CROSS, killing the enmity in it. (Eph 2:16 CLV) in Whom there is NO JEW NOR YET GREEK, there is no slave nor yet free, there is no male and female, for YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS. (Gal 3:28 CLV) For there is NO DISTINCTION BETWEEN JEW AND GREEK, (Rom 10:12 CLV)

[@shawnacardin5420]

I have called myself a Bible believer in lieu of Christianity for a long time.

[@zendermeister]

That's the way to go.

[@truthseekers1620]

what hell sheol hades or gehenna

[@solvinglight9846]

God condemned David when he began to count Israel (2 Samuel 24:1-7. Likewise, it is a mistake to try and count the body of Christ.

[@JKBelle]

He always says he could be wrong. He is just thinking the BOC is “probably” a rather small amount due to the fact there is so much deception (especially now)

[@zendermeister]

Probably not the smartest thing to do, but fortunately I'm in the body of Christ (David wasn't) and so God deals with me with transcendent grace. I get your point, though.

[@TheGreatUnfoldingRobWile]

Your background is so churchy 🤣I hate the label "christian" Thank you Martin

[@zendermeister]

Yeah, can't get much more of a "churchy" background than that one.

[@theservant752]

John 6:40 KJV (40) And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. Matthew 7:21 KJV (21) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

[@lisadisme]

Now we are aware that God is working all together for the good of those who are loving God, who are called according to the purpose that, whom He foreknew, He designates beforehand, also, to be conformed to the image of His Son, for Him to be Firstborn among many brethren. We can't help, but do His will

[@theservant752]

​@@lisadismeYour conclusion sounds a bit like covert Calvinism to me... not really my perspective.

[@lisadisme]

@@theservant752 it's not my conclusion it's Romans 8:28-29..God is sovereign and in control..thank God

[@theservant752]

@@2wildboar23 i quoted the kjv.

[@theservant752]

@@2wildboar23 how would you define aiōnios then?

[@gabrielalexander9753]

Martin, here is another "false expression" in the Christian lexicon: ETERNITY. Here is the etymology of this word: The Latin word aeternus comes from Proto-Indo-European *h₂ey-, Proto-Indo-European *h₂eyu-, and later Proto-Italic *aiwom (Age.) Ultimately, "aeternus" has the identical meaning of the Greek "eon." This is clear as daylight; unfortunately for the Christians "the god of this eon blinds the apprehensions of the unbelieving..." So, how about the word "eternal?" "Eternal" is the transliteration of the Latin "aeternī" (masculine), aeternae (feminine), or aeternī (neuter), which are the genitive forms of "aeternus" and simply mean "eonian."

[@zendermeister]

Great explanation. thank you, Gabriel.

[@truthseekers1620]

here is how i would say it what do you believe i believe that Christ died on the cross for my sin he was entombed and 3 days later was vivified

[@gabrielalexander9753]

Martin, I would challenge you on one thing: You say that the word "Hell" appears nowhere in the Scriptures. I will prove to you that it is EVERYWHERE in the Scriptures. Here is the etymology of the word "Hell": "From Middle English helle, from Old English hell, from Proto-West Germanic *hallju, from Proto-Germanic *haljō (“concealed place, netherworld”), from Proto-Indo-European *ḱel- (“to cover, conceal, save”). This is the very definition of Sheol, or Hades. The word "Hell" IS in the Scriptures... What ISN"T in the Scriptures is the Christian concept of Hell... Isn't this the very definition of their "hypocrisy of false expressions?" "What we've got here is a failure to communicate." Cool Hand Luke, 1967

[@caroleevandyk5544]

I once read that in old England people used to say they were putting their vegetables in hell for the winter. Hell meaning an underground root cellar, sort of like a grave, unseen and below ground.

[@JKBelle]

They would “bury their potatoes 🥔 in HELL!” It simply meant a “covered hole in the ground!”

[@zendermeister]

I was referring to the obvious fact that the word "hell" was not in the original Scriptures. But even in the Concordant Version, "hell" is rightly NOWHERE to be found, but rather "Gehenna," "the unseen" ("hades") and Tartarus.