Nano Hone Diamond Resin Bonded 100 µm sharpening Whetstone.

[@richardharker2775]

When I saw the size of that chip my heart sank knowing what it would take. Patience to start with and some rhythmic meditation music. Great job Greg and gratitude to your lovely wife for recording all that time.

[@nadm]

Thank you for the comment. We try to share with you everything that we are learning. We're giving your thoughts and hopefully he transcends either what you already know or what you were expecting when you did it. We're glad to communicate our frustration and the accomplishment. Your support and your comment means everything.

[@Mr.pink_]

you pushed through that task like a beast man!! well done!!

[@nadm]

I appreciate your patience and watching me get through that. That was painful. My wife thought it was painful and I definitely thought it was painful. I appreciate you checking it out. Your words mean everything in it kind of makes it all worth it.

[@FAFO217]

Awesome vid. It's great to see a complete restore of the edge chips then sharpening

[@nadm]

I appreciate you very much. First time doing it and now I know why people charge so much. Excited to have the knife back though cause it was out of commission.

[@dimmacommunication]

I had a very rough year since sep 2021 , seeing knives makes me smile , I remember good old days . Also on big chips I would use (and I already did ) the " hybrid " approach, sand belter or bench grinder and then water stones. Cheap and effective :) should work on any non vanadium knife.

[@nadm]

Yes, I have the other machinery that I would’ve done this on faster, but this was a review of that stone. This wasn’t a video on removing chips.

[@dimmacommunication]

@@nadm 👍😃

[@davesmith5656]

@@nadm --- I got that. If anything it's a good demo of why not to try whetting way a full 1,000 microns of blade on hard steel. But I'm really curious about how well the resin held up to keep the diamonds on the plate.

[@nadm]

@@davesmith5656 do you know I don’t have the microscope because it broke. It would be interesting to see how it held up but I think it’s doing pretty good. The honeycomb thing is kind of interesting. When you put the knife down like you’re sharpening it then you don’t really feel any spaces but because I had it up right I could feel the spaces. I would never use 100 µm to sharpen a knife. Thinning it would be good.

[@Alistair_Spence]

I watched it all. I figure if you are willing to put the time into making a video like this then I should make the effort to watch it. Very educational, thanks.

[@nadm]

That was very nice of you to say and very appreciated

[@Cid_1]

The Atoma 140 & the DMT 120 Micron/XX Coarse does a great job with large chips like that since you don't have to worry about damaging resin. And I'm sure your Diamond lapping plate would do a good job also with the straight sawing motion. I would bet this Nanohone would be amazing for reprofiling also, thanks for showing us. I think I need to pick one of these 100 micron plates to try out. Thanks for the video

[@nadm]

I appreciate that comment. I do think thinning the knife would benefit from this stone. I would like to try though chip removal with something with a continuous surface. Just so I have a comparison. I've never had a knife be that badly chipped.

[@jeffhicks8428]

nanohone makes 200 micron. thats the thin machine. Bonded diamond leaves nicer scratches than coated abrasive. Also the coated abrasives will wear out faster than you think doing heavy work. Better off using sand paper, straight up. Get yourself something like 80 grit sandpaper and go to town, you can likely get it done with one sheet, maybe 2.

[@sharpcokorea]

I use it to grind wide bevel. I can get a very even bevel because its binder is very soft. In this application, honeycomb structures do not cause any problems, but rather improve the cutting speed.

[@nadm]

I know you carry these products. I agree with you that they are better ways to get this done faster. The goal was to just talk about this particular stone. I believe the stone would be great for thinning a knife.

[@MichaelE.Douroux]

Appreciate the work. Much easier to watch.

[@nadm]

It was painful to do but we got through it. Nice to see you here again this week. Hopefully everything is well in your part of the world.

[@MichaelE.Douroux]

@@nadm All is well. All the best to you, Michelle and the family for the holidays!

[@jonduchon9004]

Interesting video. The diamond resin plate seems to cut decently. I definitely learned that another method probably makes sense. I have not chipped anything that bad…..yet! We are big winter squash fans and I remain scared to use Japanese knives on them. All the best!

[@davesmith5656]

Get a generic HRC 56-58 knife, or get a cleaver with 25 degree bevels and sharpen it up to below 200 BESS. DO NOT CHOP with a cleaver. You place it where you want the slice, then lean on it or hammer it with a wood or hard rubber mallet. I've given up on "fine knives" with high HRC for anything other than soft foods like meats. Even with slicing chicken from bone, the high HRC knives chip.

[@nadm]

I hear ya. We cut one the other day with a different night and I kept checking the edge to see if it's survived. It did but it definitely put me on caution.

[@sonkekoster3105]

I would recommend to adjaust the tip of your nakiri after the treatment to adjust the profit for the front. Otherwise you get into troube, if you want to rock on small stuff.

[@nadm]

I understand. I don't think I need to rock on anything with that 240 mm.

[@knifesharpeningnorway]

Looks like a very effective stone thats for sure

[@nadm]

I think it would've been very good for thinning the knife. The spaces or something to get used to. You don't feel it when the knife is horizontal but you kind of do when the knife is vertical.

[@knifesharpeningnorway]

@@nadm yes i would imagine you feel the small bumps if doing the edge

[@davesmith5656]

I notice, Greg, you're using relatively light pressure. I imagine that an issue with diamond plate is keeping the pressure light enough to not dislodge diamonds from the binder. A flexible resin probably is a bit more resilient than some other form of adhesion. Diamonds should cut with light pressure, I would guess, given that they'll scratch glass. Edit P.S. "You're going to take forever doing that." (Didn't want to disappoint you in your predictions about the comments.) Interesting how your approach to it evolved.

[@nadm]

Hey buddy, we were definitely learning as we went. I appreciate you being here again. Definitely was trying to figure it out overtime. I think there were several ways we could probably adjusted some things. I'm glad the results are good in the end. Have mixed feelings about the stone for this purpose.

[@zialfps7038]

You should try the diamond resin bond stones from Columbia Gorge Stoneworks. They cut insanely fast, wear incredibly slow, and the 5 micron stone leaves a beautiful mirror polish. They're expensive, but impressive. If you've tried the diamond matrix stones for the edge pro, these are the same things but scaled up.

[@nadm]

I have never heard of them, so I would love it if you would send the link, but I will check into it.

[@jeffhicks8428]

@@nadm it's edc bro stuff. for some reason edc bros, many of whom have never used a whetstone before are obsessed with expensive bonded diamond stones. They think they're like little boy status symbol tonka toys or something. It's bizarre.

[@georgehafidz7486]

venev are cheaper, thicker layers and dual sided - but CGSW is on my wishlist (Gritomatic has them). venev are hard and fast if thats your thing- a little brutish but for a working kitchen knife they work fine

[@drewrinker2071]

I picked up this same stone and i gotta tell you, it honestly feels more like a 300 grit to me, idk if I'm using it right or of I maybe was using too much water on the damn thing, but my shapton 300 seems more aggressive then this thing does. one thing i can honestly say that I noticed with this stone was minimal burr, a very nice, crisp scratch pattern, and I didn't feel like I had to keep wetting it, and i actually like the honey comb pattern, as I think it helps hold water. As far as rough apexing goes though, I'm going to reach for my atoma 140 or shapton 120 any day over this just because it seemed way slower to me with the grit being closer to 300-400.

[@nadm]

Yeah, I kind of thought it would be a little bit more aggressive myself. I don't know if it's the pattern. It seems like I have dealt with the Shapton glass and it was more aggressive. I know this would be very even. The honeycomb pattern is weird because I guess I was trying to takeoff so much more material. And yes, the Atoma plate just seemed very aggressive as well.

[@NanoHone]

Greg, thank you for going through that. I learned a ton. I should let you know that I now have a 200 micron DR plate. It’s much faster than the 100.😅

[@nadm]

I would definitely love to get a hold of that and see the difference. Thank you for your comment in checking this out. You guys are amazing. I'm a proud American and I'm glad to see that we're doing some high quality stuff here.

[@nadm]

I just wanted to let you know that not this Friday but the following Friday we sharpened a ZDP189 knife using just your stones. We use the 1000, 3000, 6000, 10,000, we then put it on clean leather strop. The results were ridiculously phenomenal. I just wanted you to know that your product showed very well. There was an issue with load up on the stone. We don’t know if that’s a product of ZDP189. We did notice that that didn’t happen the other times that we used it. You might want to be there to comment on it when it happens or you can come out ahead of time. I haven’t added to that video yet.

[@NanoHone]

@@nadm thank you 🙏, loading is difficult to control for every steel. Also, loading means the abrasive is working. You can eliminate loading by making the stone more friable. Or making it so hard that it doesn’t cut. That sweet spot where you have good feel and steel removal also tends to be where loading happens. That’s one reason I lap often

[@nadm]

@@NanoHone thank you for your response. I really do appreciate it. Great product.

[@nadm]

Sir, I happen to have a device of yours that you brought to Blade show. It was a prototype. It has a handle on each end and you load a smaller stone. I believe it’s about 1 inch wide by six or 7 inches. Something you make standard I’m sure! You sold it or gave it to someone who knows me. I have it now. It looks like you can kind of sand, the knife and abrade material away. Would you care to comment before I do a video on it. What was your intent? And is there something better coming or are you abandoning the entire idea?

[@Doodle-.Snoozel]

Some people scrape their knives on cutting boards but Greg does it with whetstones😂

[@nadm]

I was trying to figure out how to use this damn thing. This honeycomb matrix thing is kind of weird.

[@dimmacommunication]

@@nadm I have a super coarse stone and it probably doesn't work on knives, but flattens every stone , even silicon carbide.

[@sharpfactory3705]

Nice Video

[@nadm]

I'm sure you have some experience with doing this. Love to hear your comments if I could've altered my technique at all.

[@sonkekoster3105]

Hi Greg, I would try to get the chips out by normal sharpening motion.

[@nadm]

It’s just there so deep it would take forever. You can do it. That way you maintain your profile, but it will just take a lot longer. It’s not wrong!

[@hoggif]

I've tried my Atoma 140 for coarse modifying blade profiles and I just hate the feeling, it is so grabby, especially on edge leading stroke. I much prefer feel of coarse stones. Fortunately I have some like 120 Shapton (that I don't really like much) and Debado MD-20 (200 grit). The difference from say 140 or 200 is not that much and something like "oversized" MD can be very nice to use. I find MD-20 very powerfull and I grab it any day before my Imanishi 220 or Shapton 220 if I want to re-profile stuff. (Shapton 220 is great for the very coarse sharpening while not being as great feel as 320 that I love in that series). I tend to use something like 45 degree angle for chips/reprofiling to avoid digging into stones (like 90 degree angle can do). It also removes part of the bevel and makes a nice base for continuing towards sharpening at some point. Oh, I also find diamonds like Atoma 140 need rather light pressure in order not to dislogde diamonds while much more pressure seems fine for coarse stones where wear is acceptable. I find MD-20 with some pressure probably as fast or even faster than Atoma 140 with light pressure. I guess belt sanders can beat all stones by a margin if you have one. I do coarse work too rarely to get one.

[@nadm]

I have a belt sander and several other pieces of equipment. This was just a review of this stone. The honeycomb crisscross shape seemed to probably be good for thinning the knife, but I was catching it some with my technique. I've not done a lot of this, so you were seeing me figure this out. Time consuming process, but we saw I got the job done. I do like the oversize stones as well. In this instance, I would probably like the continuous feel of a course stone. This is probably gonna last a very long time because of the diamonds. I have mixed feelings on this particular stone.

[@hoggif]

@@nadm I guess the honeycomb can help by making some room for removed material. With normal stones a lot of removed material is at the surface of the stone after a while. (Even atoma 140 can look black and use a quick rinse every now and then).

[@michaell397]

Atoma clearly stated that you do not use the edge leading strokes on their matrix stones. Nor do you use the diamond flattening plate. it will literally pull diamonds out of the matrix. The way He used the stone took years off of its life. GRRRRR!!! A 10 Minute job with the proper equipment. KnifeMaker/Retired after 47 years in the Shop.

[@hoggif]

@@michaell397I agree it is bad for diamond plate (very bad, especially if you use anything but light pressure).

[@tinman1955]

Would it be better without the honeycomb holes?

[@nadm]

It's hard to say because I don't know what the purpose is going to be. If it's for thinning, I think it's not a problem. It was just catching the way I held it upright for taking out the chips. I know it's gonna last a long time because of the diamonds. It does feel really smooth when you lay the knife down..

[@capolot]

How do these compare to venev or naniwa diamond stones? I’ve been wanting to try one out.

[@nadm]

So I do not have this particular type of stone in different micron. I'll have to get some so I can review. I have some diamond stones by Naniwa!

[@Japaneseknifestudio]

Hi Greg .Do you think a low grit cbn stone would fix those chips faster?Im curious

[@nadm]

Yes! CBN cuts as fast as diamonds as far as I’m concerned. I’m not sure if the pattern on here helped or not. This is 100 grit basically. So if you had the same great in the CBN, and I’m sure it would be equally aggressive, if not more.

[@Japaneseknifestudio]

Thank you Greg .your channel very informative.You deserve a lots of subscribers!!

[@nadm]

@@Japaneseknifestudio we are going to be here a while. I did use the stone today by the way. I used it for some polishing. I was setting the original grind. It works very well. Very impressed.

[@sonkekoster3105]

How did you manage to create such big chips in your knife? if this is caused be normal use, the heat treatment should be bad.

[@nadm]

I explained that early in the video. So the spaghetti squash has that piece of root on the end of it. This particular steel is white paper number one. So you know it's super hard and brittle and then it hit that root.

[@capolot]

How long does this stone last?

[@nadm]

I have no idea. It should last a long time but I haven't had it very long. It will be interesting to find out. I imagine it should be quite a while.

[@HPAcustomriflesandcerakote]

Please tell me they gave you that nano hone lapping plate. Lol that thing is ridiculously expensive

[@nadm]

It was not given to me. And yes it was.

[@HPAcustomriflesandcerakote]

@Never a Dull Moment does it work really good? And is it just a layer of diamond or are those entire cleats on it an abrasive of some kind

[@buffalojones341]

Greg, my man, you coulda got a Wen Tormek knock off for $140 and knocked this out in 5 min 😆😆😆

[@nadm]

I have an actual Tormek. The point was to try to use the stone and give my opinion of it. This wasn’t a video about fixing chips.

[@buffalojones341]

@@nadm I know, I know. Just giving you a rough time 😊

[@nadm]

@@buffalojones341 it’s OK. This one was a strange video. I’ll be interested in using this again, but it was definitely strange to use in the first place.

[@bensonhai]

What big chips you have....sounds loud...

[@nadm]

I thought it was interesting that someone would make that humongous knife for cutting vegetables out of white number one. Very hard and rigid.

[@Vandelay666]

So expensive... How is it better than an Atoma 140 diamond plate?

[@nadm]

I put a link in the description. I’m not really sure how much longer it would last. It might be layers of diamonds versus the Atoma. You would end up buying a new strip.

[@dadadadave100]

Aloha Greg

[@nadm]

Hey buddy, I hope you have some good holidays!

[@dadadadave100]

@@nadm and you and your family as well my friend

[@robertdavis171]

Boy, I'm not buying that knife that chipped on only spaghetti squash?

[@nadm]

I agree that I think white number one is just so hard and then it should have not been used for this type of knife

[@knife.spa.berlin]

To be honest, I am not impressed by that nanohone stone at all. I think my qorn out Atoma 140 is much quicker with that pressure you used. Next time you should try to keep your hand over the stone while pressing. I would love to see the sides after you did that little thinning. I think you should raise the cladding a bit more after you erased that amount of steel. Just my two cents. But as always I appreciate your time and effort to show us your products. That's so nice and helpful!

[@nadm]

Yes, I have other ways that I would’ve done this that are faster. I have a belt sander, I have the Tormek. I also have that horizontal spinning wheel. So there are other ways I could’ve got this done faster, but this was me doing a review of this 100 µm stone. The honeycomb matrix really messed me up.

[@ВасяВасюкевич]

Nano Hone Diamond Resin Plate Micron 1 - look at the work under a microscope. that's horrible, shows on the channel MARKET - ANDREY

[@nadm]

I appreciate you coming and sharing information. I read the statement several times and I'm not completely sure that I'm reading it properly. I also don't understand the end of the statement where you capitalize a couple of words. I definitely welcome you to elaborate. I thank you for your supporting the channel and checking us out. I always love learning from someone so you're more than welcome to teach me. I try to be humble and put myself out there and be very vulnerable. Thank you again for taking the time to teach and say things nicely.

[@ВасяВасюкевич]

@@nadm hello, with capital letters, there is such a channel on KZbin, copy the capital letters and look for a channel on KZbin, look at the work of the bar under a microscope ....

[@antoniot3734]

🄿🅁🄾🄼🄾🅂🄼

[@nadm]

I don't understand the comment.

[@georgeyoung4292]

Dont use diamond flattener on resin bond diamond!!! Literally the worst thing you can do.. SiC or Alox poweder will take care of the resin but leaves diamond particles ..

[@nadm]

I just got sent some of the SiC and I haven’t had a chance to use it yet

[@georgeyoung4292]

@@nadm Ok.. I just put it there just in case cause diamond flattener is too agressive and they shouldnt be dressed very often.. My practice is using soft nagura just to remove some of the surface loading after every sharpening and use lose SiC and Alox on tampered glass every 7-10sharpening (but i have CGSW matrix and Venev) Thank you sir