she thanked the bees for pollinating the flowers omg I think i love her
@prosperous72438 жыл бұрын
Love ur vids bae
@malevolentindulgence74557 жыл бұрын
Edelle Joy i think I like you
@niknic36 жыл бұрын
wait what you mean?
@annasmith37236 жыл бұрын
I saved a bee I found in my bathroom last week, because we need them! Seeing this has made me happier
@dbandhoo5 жыл бұрын
my fav part too!!
@Scorpion999Studios8 жыл бұрын
The way her accent comes out when she says Spanish words...bruh I think I'm in love
@TheCiddie7 жыл бұрын
Lol that's just how you actually pronounce the words in spanish tho
@bratsaints41644 жыл бұрын
She’s Colombian omg I’m so happy
@efraingallardo45393 жыл бұрын
she's not gonna butcher a language shes fluent in lol
@jakeezetci3 жыл бұрын
@@efraingallardo4539 almost all bilinguals i know (myself included) pronounce words from one language with accent of the language they are speaking at the moment, this isn’t just “lol she just native” thing, it’s a cute little feature of her
@ac91843 жыл бұрын
@@jakeezetci nah that’s just pochos
@firetruckboy76 жыл бұрын
Kali Uchis broke nardwuar, I see him smiling this is so cute
@ratmaster56 жыл бұрын
At lemme get yo snap dawggg
@cameroncorp5 жыл бұрын
@ASAP Pedal just stop dude
@bigcountryspoundcake45134 жыл бұрын
girlonline exe he’s nervous for everyone he interviews
@チャーリーブラウン-w8l4 жыл бұрын
@Asap Wock Cola Lol Right? He acts the same way and has been in better situations. Just fans clowing over Kali
@FezSmokesDanks4 жыл бұрын
im just a BEAN but thats ok hahah
@CorrosiveColin9 жыл бұрын
Nardwuar was getting real with those questions. He did his research and had her talk about something she probably doesn't usually talk about in interviews. Nardwuar doesn't just give gifts.
@mmwire7 жыл бұрын
"Nardwuar doesn't just give gifts" trueeeeeeeeeeeeeee
@JAYTBAYB4 жыл бұрын
Nardwuar IS a gift
@zeoberlerb63714 жыл бұрын
Jay Tjardez on god
@abyde4 жыл бұрын
Nardwuar was tryna smash. Can't say I blame him.
@cbrad_edits3 жыл бұрын
@@abyde he seemed more like he was trying to smash Tyler in that interview
@isabelibarra736910 ай бұрын
This was 8 years ago. The growth I’ve seen Kali go through is beautiful. She now has 4 albums out and has a baby on the way 🥹🖤✨. Just truly incredible 🥹🖤✨
@starboyinterlude9 ай бұрын
right 😭
@SidTheShid3 ай бұрын
@Rylie-vm4xqCHINA WING 🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥
@yei_yei2189 жыл бұрын
I'm mexican and I gotta say... I am proud of this girl. She has just became an inspiration to me. She's soo down to earth, (and amazingly beautiful) She's showing a proud side of Latino culture that we need in society. Go girl!
@nayelisandoval60328 жыл бұрын
+Yeidy Va.Ga. OK I thought I was crazy i'm Mexican too and I know shes Colombian but she still makes me so proud! She is truly amazing
@TheCiddie7 жыл бұрын
Yeah at the end of the day we are all latino/as so be proud!!
@yei_yei2187 жыл бұрын
Unique heck yess! ❤
@solidevil26397 жыл бұрын
yeah haha she isnt like jennifer lopez or selena gomez.
@1isaacmonroy6 жыл бұрын
yei_yei SHES Columbian tho
@JellyFicheable8 жыл бұрын
her voice makes me melt
@urfav_corinne10 ай бұрын
melting like an icecream?
@j3ssiahhh8 ай бұрын
when u smileleel
@og8820019 жыл бұрын
her accent is cute
@tynickxo22739 жыл бұрын
Grass Cannibals ahhh no, its an accent xx
@og8820019 жыл бұрын
Grass Cannibals ditzy? nah Id like to call her chill. And its clearly an accent
@JoshuaXRamey9 жыл бұрын
Sancho Enkhbayar it's a mix between a Columbian accent and an American accent. It's weird,, but not really.
@IRevos9 жыл бұрын
Sancho Enkhbayar Her face isnt tho
@JohnnyOutlaw1009 жыл бұрын
+IRevos Pssh, Kali is beautiful, fucc you mean.
@dajaeverett24268 жыл бұрын
How does Nardwuar know these celebrities' darkest secrets and musical influences, like some of this stuff is not even mentioned from the celebs themselves..
@missale4298 жыл бұрын
ikr
@WakeUpNeo0018 жыл бұрын
Sinisterage stfu...what do you mean there's no other reasonable explanation smh he could be an alien he could be with the government or he could be doing exactly what you said lol
@missale4298 жыл бұрын
Jakari Britt true lol
@MyMy-ge2gv7 жыл бұрын
it's so awkward to watch his interviews..
@ESFDragxnFistEntertainment7 жыл бұрын
He's apart of the illuminati
@41D5Buckets8 жыл бұрын
I went through middle school and high school with her...glad to see her doing well.
@bluesquiddemon8 жыл бұрын
WHY DIDN'T YOU SMASH FAM
@41D5Buckets8 жыл бұрын
+Thats A huge b1tch she was nowhere near like this in high school bruh lol. completely different trust me. super low key
@TimelessViBe8 жыл бұрын
So she was like an enigma in high school damnn u lucky
@41D5Buckets8 жыл бұрын
+BeatsOutDBricks yea basically. she hung out with the real hipster, pothead kids.
@samuelh87098 жыл бұрын
+41D5Buckets so basically you're telling us she was that one bitch who you called ugly and weird and now you feel kinda like shit that you didn't f w her lmao
@thersten8 жыл бұрын
S/O to all the fly abuelitas out there watching this and fighting the evil spirits w witchcraft. you the real heroes.
@redcupcakeify8 жыл бұрын
Lmfaaooo
@nicchin1017 жыл бұрын
Made my day.
@hcaballero19926 жыл бұрын
If your grammar hasn't held a prayer circle for you, you ain't Hispanic haha
@mukesh_bombay5 жыл бұрын
nah chill
@set81368 жыл бұрын
Wow, this girl is super real. No filter, respect.
@cameralito9 жыл бұрын
Fuck, I first heard her voice in Tyler's Cherry Bomb. She has an unreal voice
@sadhbhcd50887 жыл бұрын
vatodownthestreet same
@knova6 жыл бұрын
I first heard her on NBA 2K 17, it was the song Riding Around.
@lionelthebuilder9 жыл бұрын
I love how no one here is hating on her, so rare
@VivianeSilva-qr1um3 жыл бұрын
Oi donzela mdjxjxjcnxnnxjchgoKoxijxmcmxmbrbHzgshxbnsndnt mmckxnxmdmmdmxm
I’m laughing at me coming along 4 years later and giving this it’s 666th like 👀😂
@sambt1233 жыл бұрын
she cute good personality and everything but physically not attracted to her
@joeypule9749 жыл бұрын
the way that she pronounces "colombia" 😳
@otielcraft3 жыл бұрын
@___ yeah lol
@limaelrey3 жыл бұрын
Fr there’s “ColUmbia “ which is how non hispanic say it and then there is “colOmbia”
@xoxoqueen52578 жыл бұрын
Her describing her favorite artists and stuff is exactly how I feel about Kali Uchis. She's literally amazing
@zakzilla62363 жыл бұрын
It’s ironic how now her whole albums and songs you could just listen to and feel like you’re in heaven, her voice is iconic and I love Kali sooo freakin much, like if I ever am sad, I just put headphones in and put ANY one of her songs on and I feel sooooo much better. Try it people I’m telling you.
@bzzbitch18442 жыл бұрын
I really happy for her getting more fame and recognition, cause she really deserve it. I love her with all of my heart , her music helps me go through bad times
@Kittyboss40510 ай бұрын
I just found her a few months ago. You’re so right.
@ninajacklene9 жыл бұрын
She thanks the bees for pollinating THE WORLD NEEDS MORE KALI UCHIS
@DMSthaWolf9 жыл бұрын
She mad cool.
@thersten9 жыл бұрын
Word.
@dylanimo26954 жыл бұрын
@@nickfasulo4646 yeah same
@catloaff7 ай бұрын
Cryinggg he asked Kali why did she sleep in a car 😭😭😭😭😭
@Dahlia44222 Жыл бұрын
Damn she's been around for wayyy longer than I thought
@TopRamin Жыл бұрын
cherry bomb was her big break
@judahsocutah10 ай бұрын
she’s been doing music since like 2012!
@coffffeiy5 жыл бұрын
"I want to say sorry to my abuelita for revealing her exorcism secrets" 😂😂😂😂😂
@Supersicmaggot6669 жыл бұрын
nardwuar vs fka twigs needs to happen
@yomayrarodriguez88119 жыл бұрын
Yes!!
@jptube219 жыл бұрын
True!!!
@Alejandromichael849 жыл бұрын
Joe Gaby Fuck, yes.
@og8820019 жыл бұрын
+ doja cat
@nebulous63209 жыл бұрын
And nardwaur vs ryn weaver and nardwaur vs halsey
@MatthewBell884 жыл бұрын
I like how chill she is and informative she is about her country and the culture she is from. Explaining and making it normalised is an awesome way to help with differences when people visit.
@jos66056 жыл бұрын
he got a crush on her
@iceprincess18696 жыл бұрын
J vidz who doesn't? lol
@lilmogwaii6 жыл бұрын
I'd ship it
@2Eliishere9 жыл бұрын
Nardwars outfits have been next level these last two vids
@SlowJoman9 жыл бұрын
agreed
@_.13_9 жыл бұрын
Don Cherry's suits are trash compared to Sir Nardwuar
@L337gypsy9 жыл бұрын
Rae sremmurd changed his life
@lvfismf7 жыл бұрын
I have to say this -- the female artists Nardwuar interviews are soo much kinder and so much more appreciative of him, his time, knowledge and gifts.
@gabrielakaez7330 Жыл бұрын
We need an updated Kali uchis interview
@jamescouncil20098 жыл бұрын
nardwuar been doing the mannequin challenge for years lol
@TheVintageRomance7 жыл бұрын
James Council maaaaaaan. Tell me about it lmao
@Smokesterr9 жыл бұрын
Lowkey in love with Kali. She got a voice of a goddamn angel
@santiagokamerbeek53744 жыл бұрын
It´s amazing how every person Nardwuar interviews just melts and falls to it´s basics. The hard man becomes soft, the serious woman starts giggling, the hating punk just calms down... what a serviette...
@Eyesofcecilias Жыл бұрын
She’s come such a long way and deserves all the good and success she has
@tyronetb3 Жыл бұрын
This is legendary. Kali up there giving her Grammy speech/thank you/shoutouts. I Love it.
@summertimeefine8 жыл бұрын
You can tell she's a dmv girl by the way she said "oh you got jokesss" lol
@buck_mar23195 жыл бұрын
So truu mo that shit ji gave her away real talk
@erickt19743 жыл бұрын
@@buck_mar2319 stamp
@buck_mar23193 жыл бұрын
@@erickt1974 on mothers
@brrtp3 жыл бұрын
9:00
@womp74963 жыл бұрын
On movas
@timothrykrasnapolsky3 жыл бұрын
Almost 6 years later and look what she's achieved already! SO PROUD OF U KALI UCHIS! Don't forget to stream SIN MIEDO!
@bryanmb99943 ай бұрын
Reeal, she's a mother now 😢🤧 it's amazing
@thequeenpath9 жыл бұрын
So proud of how far along she's come! Hopefully I'll be there soon :)
@GraphinityMurakami9 жыл бұрын
keep gunnin for it!
@qwandnorth31869 жыл бұрын
HoneyTheHippie you dope girl
@Sonamyfan929 жыл бұрын
Just checked out your channel and I love your stuff! I'm subscribing. Can't wait to hear more. C:
@kevinfortsch6 жыл бұрын
Honey Soula table for two was my first song from her. And no one heard of her then
@candycouldntbesosweet Жыл бұрын
I love how far she’s gotten since this interview 😊
@donob83259 жыл бұрын
"oooooooh u got jokes!"
@alexanderscheiber90325 жыл бұрын
@@kairoofficial5722 shrieking
@ricanking205 жыл бұрын
@@kairoofficial5722 hahaha Jesus
@louisfiorina74975 жыл бұрын
@@kairoofficial5722 the fuck
@sumairb99785 жыл бұрын
@@kairoofficial5722 lmao chillllll
@prod3kero4 ай бұрын
@@ricanking20 what did he say
@yewawtmayt28054 жыл бұрын
She actually gives me butterflies wtf
@Danne3139 жыл бұрын
So happy to see her here! She is pure dopeness, unique content indeed. luuv!
@BrendaSwagg9 жыл бұрын
"I wanna say ..hi to my Tio jaime" LMAO idk why i laughed
@Zgamer79 жыл бұрын
This chick is amazing
@AlecHendo8 жыл бұрын
had to watch this to learn how to pronounce her name lol
@LUVRG1RL8 жыл бұрын
I was surprised when she said uchis I always thought it was pronounced "ukis"
@pbm23248 жыл бұрын
+sanaaalexis She's Latina, latinos we Pronunciate the CH so that's why she said "Uchis" in that way
@tsdifferent8 жыл бұрын
Alec Hendo same yo
@princessholy45448 жыл бұрын
+sanaaalexis tch tch tch Sanaa
@itgirl37847 жыл бұрын
+sanaaalexis OMG ME TOO HAHAHAHA
@haileyw66099 жыл бұрын
Her voice is so soothing! I love it
@xochitlbk Жыл бұрын
damn her glow up since this interview is crazy. proud of her
@Sandman07929 жыл бұрын
All u people sayin thank Tyler and all that shit need to chill and do your research lol. Kali already had the interest from MANY big artists and labels before Tyler came around. On another note, I hate these new camera angles man wtf! Go back to normal Nardwuar!!
@briannewlin2039 жыл бұрын
I agree about the camera angles
@Sandman07929 жыл бұрын
Brian Newlin it's so weird to adapt to right? haha
@Sonjay7189 жыл бұрын
+SandmanLIVE Also Tyler said that Taco put HIM onto her
@Adam-ph2yc7 жыл бұрын
I ain't seeing no-one say "thank Tyler"
@cristianperez62726 жыл бұрын
If you watch tyler’s cherry bomb interview she gives a hugs thank you to him for helping her “find her voice”
@emergencytrip2 жыл бұрын
This is the best interview with her ever. No one has ever had an interview with her like this. Thank you.
@jarryj19958 жыл бұрын
More like Nardhard
@Chris-iq5pr6 жыл бұрын
Jarrick Williams 😂
@MrAngusyoungistheman6 жыл бұрын
Jarrick Williams “Mr. Nard ‘Stay-Hard’ Ward” -Snoop Dogg
@azrashello4 жыл бұрын
LETS GO I WAS THE 420th LIKE
@pastel73244 жыл бұрын
😭😭😭😭😭
@EyeAm9 жыл бұрын
I always watch these interviews to see who new artists are inspired by. Good way of finding music
@carlyshultz3172 Жыл бұрын
Kali if only you knew! I’m learning spanish. But your songs! You sing like a siren. So melodic, so entrancing. But it moves me! It speaks to every one, no matter their native tongue. Your artistry SHINES, you’re a creator in the flesh ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
@Jaaisaafi6 жыл бұрын
Narduar seems phased by her beauty lol. I would too haha.
@aug719 жыл бұрын
Nardwuar vs. MC Ride.
@AURELIOADASME9 жыл бұрын
Nardwuar: Who are you? Mc ride: I AM THE BEAST I WORSHIP!!!
@aug719 жыл бұрын
Aurelio Adasme Nardwuar: "What's your favorite color" Mc Ride: "OH MY GAWHD BITCH!" On some real shit, I met Nardwuar this year during SXSW, outside of Dirty Dog Bar, I asked him about Death Grips. He stated that he has tried countless times to contact Zach Hill, but never has received a response. Although he has been ignored, Nardwuar told me he won't give up. I told him, I have watched his interviews since 7th grade, not in College, and I would love to see that Death Grips interview. He is very genuine.
@aug719 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't just call them 'rap'.
@Wired4Life29 жыл бұрын
#AYEAYE #noided
@austinsftw9 жыл бұрын
Idgaf how silent and apathetic his interview would be. Mc Ride vs nardwuar would be legendary 😍
@mayamagination7 жыл бұрын
shes like lady gaga but gentle
@jaleelc25 жыл бұрын
In Lady Gaga's dreams
@tatianaortega60494 жыл бұрын
she reminds me more of Amy Winehouse
@swoodc6 жыл бұрын
never seen nardwuar flirt before lol @ 9:00
@shyrym3 ай бұрын
Skibidi ohio rizz sigma meal fanum taxing your guyatt
@sacboy98 жыл бұрын
The dj girl at 7:15 is absolutely stunning :O
@katemtz56986 жыл бұрын
Joshua Friend once in a concert she was there and she accidentally played the track while Kali was speaking and she gave her the death stare... It was hilarious 😹
@ModestMousekateer9 жыл бұрын
Nardwuar vs. Sufjan Stevens
@pheeuh9 жыл бұрын
yes!!
@TheTacticalMess9 жыл бұрын
Bruh yes
@GrplrZrn9 жыл бұрын
pheeuh lmao wassup sophia
@pheeuh9 жыл бұрын
Corrina Price leah?! ❤️
@GrplrZrn9 жыл бұрын
lol yaaa. im on mysisters acct.
@thatlilgal3 жыл бұрын
Her voice is so comforting
@spookshelves98343 жыл бұрын
This is always gonna be one of my top 5 interviews, it's just so calming to watch, the flow is so natural
@aririi1451 Жыл бұрын
We need an updated interview!! ❤
@dreesy4 жыл бұрын
I’m Colombian and I can tell for a fact that back in the day everyone used to have the mohawk, we call it “El Siete” still a thing nowadays even though most of us moved to temple fade
@luchifex3 жыл бұрын
KZbin out here throwing me this after 5 years just as she released the telepatía video.
@selahjade73743 жыл бұрын
💀
@plvt0n1vm9 ай бұрын
WE NEED AN UPDATE INTERVIEW, NARD! PLEEEEEEASE 💚💚💚💚
@smash445566778 жыл бұрын
Bruh, did not know she was from the DMV. Mad respect.
@chFRESCO6 жыл бұрын
smash44556677 Nova
@limaelrey3 жыл бұрын
@@chFRESCO ayee 703
@googoolars3 жыл бұрын
What does that stand for? I know that acronym as Department of Motor Vehicles lol.
@luislagunilla57163 жыл бұрын
@@googoolars DC, Maryland, and Virginia
@cutiebaemuah3 жыл бұрын
@@googoolars LMFAO
@kellyobrien3594 ай бұрын
I smile nonstop every time Kali talks, she’s just such a genuinely pleasant person
@jeanclaudevindiesel2075 жыл бұрын
"oh you got jokes, okay!" 😍😍😍
@matthewalexander3831 Жыл бұрын
10:56 - 11:16. I can’t believe no one highlighted the hilarious mini photo shoot she took there and all the poses as well. ❤
@dstroh224 жыл бұрын
she's correct.. just visited Medellin 6 months ago and there's bad ass graffiti murals everywhere. not tags and gang scribbles but full on artistic creative and so colorful
@the_ghost_of_teddy_perkins2 жыл бұрын
I've never seen Nardwuar so chill doing an interview before. That's cool to see a different side of him
@nicholasputt90545 жыл бұрын
That eye twitch at 5:03 is crazy
@linnycrocus60234 жыл бұрын
why does every person i have a crush on end up being colombian lol
@gimpyio4 жыл бұрын
Unconscious natural attraction lol
@comehereco3 жыл бұрын
We are beautiful
@axlrose19623 жыл бұрын
🇨🇴😎👌
@Snackboii7 жыл бұрын
lmaoooo Kali smiled when he talked about the kidnapping such a bad bitchhh
@NativeTears3 жыл бұрын
So happy she’s had a song playing on the radio lately ❤️ no one deserves it more than Kaliiii.
@briannajimenez87003 жыл бұрын
She used to be so silly and upbeat back then
@ninajacklene9 жыл бұрын
Thank you ~Kali Uchis~ for being you. And Nardwuar for having her on your show! Kali Uchis is a huge creative inspiration to me. Also is well spoken, thoughtful and polite. Musical goddess. Glad I watched this. Respect her Art ppl
@samaddey49909 жыл бұрын
"the bees for pollinating the flowers" hhahaha same
@maniramorales11268 ай бұрын
I wish she could play never be yours in her recent concerts
@Stress_._Free7 ай бұрын
Foreal a remastered version
@arely62845 жыл бұрын
I enjoy how she doesnt keep it much like a interview but as a converstation
@karmaincarnate29168 жыл бұрын
God damn she's immaculate. When she mentioned Quentin Tarantino unfff
@sov3613 жыл бұрын
I heard Telepatia this year and fell in love with the song!
@AndreaReyes109 жыл бұрын
I need Nardwuar vs. xavier wulf
@6PR4NA99 жыл бұрын
Fr
@derekbrown63849 жыл бұрын
+Andrea reyes all of wulf interviews suck though, he has a shit ego
@Andrewes1229 жыл бұрын
+Derek Brown the xwulf interview on nojumper is good.
@Notfast868 жыл бұрын
yaass
@YeahLikeICanMakeVids6 жыл бұрын
Andrea reyes q
@AmyaBourgeois9 ай бұрын
8 years ago omg we need an updated!!!!
@killingthemood20004 жыл бұрын
I need to have an interview with Nardwuar so I can remember my childhood
@rebeccamaldaro86849 жыл бұрын
I have respect to this girl for doing everything she has done by herself, she makes all of her own things and has no label also it is hard to get out of a third world country
@MsCheesencrackas9 жыл бұрын
She looks so different on Instagram .
@monicageorgette58679 жыл бұрын
+caro sanchez I think this video is old.
@MsCheesencrackas9 жыл бұрын
+Monica Georgette nah but it's been this way for a while tbh lol
@MorningMindfulness6 жыл бұрын
She knows her angles
@gsev389 жыл бұрын
She has background and culture!! I like that really digging her rn
@tragediesnotsinners3 жыл бұрын
Kali is everybody’s crush ♥️
@Sabossa6 ай бұрын
*Card declines at therapist* Therapist: So how was it being threatened to be kidnapped by gangsters in your most vulnerable state and sleeping in your car
@marisolmontesdeoca62473 жыл бұрын
Astrud Gilberto is amazing. She is the queen of bossa nova. She was married to Joao Gilberto. His daughter, Bebel also has amazing music.
@dank24599 жыл бұрын
Shout out to Harris Teeter! Everyone from the south knows what I'm talking about!
@atcquentin9 жыл бұрын
+Daniel Kennedy harris teeter is dope shout out the free cookies
@KodakKid6 жыл бұрын
Kali had the best exit after the "doot doo" of everyone ever.
@NataliaLinares9 жыл бұрын
SHOUTS TO APC COLLECTIVE IN COLOMBIA...loved how Kali said Graffiti in a Latin accent...you go girl! Abriendo espacio....
@Bevtone3 жыл бұрын
The blackbyrds are yet another seriously underrated under appreciated band
@mattTorres29 Жыл бұрын
Wow this looks it was filmed recently she’s timeless
@lily-fy8xp Жыл бұрын
Shes so baby here awww 😢💖💖
@RyanBakerIsAMonster9 жыл бұрын
Thank you to the bees for pollinating the flowers.
@carlolo607 Жыл бұрын
Just went to her live show here in Seattle. I wanna say it was awesome!
@jdzdrifthouse Жыл бұрын
I'm going to the SF Show tonight, I can't wait!!!!!!
@jeezuschryst9 жыл бұрын
awe she's so sweet! ALL THE THANKS! great interview, nardwuar!
@zerofriends69 жыл бұрын
Nardwaur the greatest interview to ever live. And she's mad cool.
@n.shostakovich82489 жыл бұрын
I don't really know how to pronounce her name. I wanna tell ppl about her music but I always end up saying some shit like 'Kaley YouJizz' so ppl think I'm talking bout some porn actress and think i'm tryna fool them damn
@tiberbeats9 жыл бұрын
this is one of my favourite comments ever
@RIIXER9 жыл бұрын
Günter Bickelmaier oocheese on red tube.
@PushYourEdge9 жыл бұрын
nightshot999 hahahahahaahaha i know right! strait up tho i died lmao
@xgrimesreaper9 жыл бұрын
+Günter Bickelmaier kah-lee oo-cheese
@onlythelonely939 жыл бұрын
+Günter Bickelmaier you should pronounce it like ka-li u-cheese I think. but I'm spanish and i read everything just as it sounds so maybe I'm wrong