Nascar Blows it at Indy

[@jackjohnson9603]

First time in NASCAR history the pace car led the most laps

[@badbooking3221]

Shockingly, Jimmie (ugh) led 71 laps and the pace car 52. Still though, 1/3 of the race under caution is awful.

[@AlonsoRules]

Martinsville in September 2004

[@SeanCon12]

@@AlonsoRules Well done, sir.

[@TheDoubleWLife]

@@badbooking3221 r/woosh

[@yeingsterable]

Anthony Kernich You mean October?

[@gageb28-95]

This was my first ever race in person. All I remember is my dad saying "We'll take you to Michigan next year to see a real race"😂

[@Godblessamerica2012]

CSXCupSeries 23 well I think you got a good deal....if you went to Michigan.

[@TheMW2informer]

CSXCupSeries 38 what year? I was at Michigan in 2008 which is so far my only race.

[@walmars3curity]

Ive been to both. Michigan was better but I liked them both

[@canadianatwork6753]

Went to Michigan 2014 and 2015

[@WCS6394]

Same here 😂

[@sethandbrooklyn7434]

There was 250,000 + in the stands that year. The next year they raised the tickets from $65 to $85 for the same seats. They had 50,000 in the stands at the next race. They never even said sorry.

[@robminmonaca]

Seth and Brooklyn they were just adding insult to injury.

[@JP_Stoeffler]

And now the Indy Oval is off the schedule

[@DepravedCoTApologist]

How to destroy any goodwill 101:

[@christianmotley262]

I think they said kiss my arse

[@williamwestdyke7122]

Indy isn’t off the schedule. It’s Aug 15

[@HydraDominus]

When you put 4X wear on heat 2

[@unwantedmudflap5639]

Ya Boi Kamina so true

[@josesolis1485]

so untrue considering that there is no tire wear in that game LOL

[@sportsfanboy9308]

ju ru exactly... it’s more like nascar 15

[@CubCadetMan71]

Or in nascar 2003 you just edit the tire wear to x20

[@McLovin1776]

You should retitle the video to Goodyear blows it

[@brianwertman5848]

Yes because NASCAR don't have ANY control of what tire GoodYear brings. Only thing that NASCAR have control on tires are how many sets teams can buy and that is it. I been a tire specialist for 5 years and a crew chief for a half a season.

[@AgtWashingtub]

They still should have tested and come up with a better tire, so it really is on both nascar and good year

[@andrewmcconnell5699]

Well Nascar could have said fuck this and just stopped the race. But they decided to waste all those teams money to run it with goodyear's shitty tire compound

[@EvanEversTheCaliKid]

Andrew Mcconnell Good luck explaining that to all the teams, fans, media, etc. Especially the fans that take unpaid time off to go to these things.

[@stellingbanjodude]

They should have suspended all competition and rescheduled for a later date, and invited the fans to return free of charge, so that Goodyear could have produced a better tire.

[@Johnsor21]

This race is the start of the decline in attendance for the Brickyard.

[@rudyk5518]

And in 2021, the Brickyard 400 will be gone. This race was the start of a massive decline in NASCAR’s success at Indy

[@EndlessFlameout4]

​@@rudyk5518 and now it's back

[@Starzcraft88]

man all the competition cautions makes this feel like a modern stage race lol

[@robminmonaca]

Starzcraft88 probably a reason why Brian France decided to do stage racing now.

[@EddyTee99]

at least the stages are within a reasonable distance, this race there was a yellow every 10 LAPS, in a 160 lap race, with no chance to rubber in the track so the risk of tire blowouts increase?!? fuck that lol even I wouldn't watch that shit

[@daviddement1550]

This race was an embaressment for NASCAR, even though it was the tires fault.

[@jeremeymcdude]

David DeMent it was a mix of the CoT, tires, and the track surface itself.

[@RacingAtHome]

That's just a normal NASCAR race.

[@AlonsoRules]

NASCAR is to blame for not scheduling any testing with the (awful) COT prior to the race. The cars has never turned a lap at the track until first practice on Friday.

[@DDS029]

Why is everyone so down on the COT? It was a race car, period. It's not like it only had three wheels. You get the rules, you build the car, then find out who made the adjustments in it that suits their driver, and wins the race. Of all the divisions I raced in there was always something that was different about the cars. And usually so did everyone else. The COT was a major advancement in safety. The things learned from it are almost still used today. It just in different wrapping paper.

[@The52car]

@@DDS029 this issue was they didnt have a TEST with the new car, so they didnt have the opportunity to see if such problems would arise at an admittedly unique track.

[@Diecastreviews]

I still feel like i should get me money back from the tickets i bought to this race...

[@AlanWiltsie]

Diecastreviews I feel bad for you that you were at this race. This was the hardest race to ever watch on TV.

[@xTremontiBridgex]

+Diecastreviews We did get our money back for our seats. We called them from the stands during the race.

[@GatoradeCupSeriesX94]

No, the 2016 Xfinity race at Indy was even HARDER to watch. It is an sad INSULT to the 2008 Brickyard 400

[@Diecastreviews]

To be fair, i didn't even attend or watch it so i wouldn't know.

[@unicornmaster2737]

Well now they have restrictor plates so it should be better...

[@AllEliteTed]

The beginning of the death of Nascar at Indy. I remember being at the Brickyard 400 in 2001 along the front straight. It was a ton of fun and a good race. Just hasn't been the same since this disaster, even though the racing has been pretty good the last few years.

[@mikelow4374]

Someone should have just thrown on some good ol heavy truck tires and run to the finish just like that old Darlington race 😁

[@dylanbradford7863]

Someone knows their NASCAR history, led by 9 laps simply because he didn't have to pit nearly as much.

[@jimbass4512]

I remember being so excited for my first race to watch on my birthday when I turned 7. That was a rough day race wise, but I think I got a scooter so it made up for it

[@clankplusm]

Haha lol, it's only a day I guess, keeping on the bright side.

[@lucas_e_munoz]

That was a terrible race. The fact that ESPN was broadcasting this race made it a hell of a lot worse.

[@X2Lazy2WinX]

I don't know what's a bigger failure, Goodyear and Nascar or Michelin and F1...

[@ethanroebuck7203]

Without a doubt F1. It was even really a race

[@samb.4866]

X2Lazy2WinX At least Michelin refunded my ticket cost. Goodyear gave fans the finger

[@Berry12TVoice]

Ethan Roebuck never heard of the F1 debacle. Do you have a link to it?

[@gojenson]

I went to that race. I wanted to cry. It didn’t help that I was a poor college student in 2005.

[@fusionattraction4044]

@@gojenson damn Georgw Bush..

[@dcjlove]

Would have been awesome to see someone only run 100 mph all day and have their tires last. :)

[@Jesseface94]

NASCAR would've black-flagged them for running too slow and probably fine them for "actions detrimental to NASCAR".

[@derekbrown2780]

This is more like “Goodyear Blows it At Indy”!

[@Jtngetabettername]

So Montoya's been through both the events, ouch

[@clowe14f1]

NASCAR should have just called the race at Halfway

[@karlrovey]

They should have simply cancelled it.

[@HBKshowstopper635]

all these years later i look back to this as the moment where the cracks in the armor really started to show with nascar. you can argue any number of things before this, but for me this is the first moment where i was like OOF NOT GOOD.

[@duanebailey6253]

I remeber yelling after jr stayed out. He was in such a good position and was quick.

[@Ab_Ismael]

2008 Brickyard 400 is a great example of why GoodYear usually sucks at making a tire for NASCAR Stock cars

[@SAVINGEZRA]

This is the race that killed The Brickyard 400. Attendance dropped like a rock after this. It went from mind blowing crowds to almost a ghost town. Now NASCAR is running the road course instead in attempt to shake things up lmao.

[@AlonsoRules]

100% NASCAR's fault, they decided to test for this track at Pocono, which wasn't a diamond cut surface. The race was then a great display for the "second biggest race of the year". Look at the crowds today, barely above 50k.

[@MikeTheKoopaWarrior]

i guess they realized that NASCAR racing isn't as good as INDYCARS

[@Psyrecx]

MikeTheKoopaWarrior Well, that's kind of like saying 'Professional' Wrestling isn't as good as Olympic. Of course it isn't, much like wrestling, one is real, the other one isn't. Only inbred people are the ones who can't figure out which is which.

[@AlonsoRules]

IndyCar has its problems, like crowds at ovals outside of Indy and aero push. It is on the up however, but slowly.

[@kevin07817]

Anyone here after Bristol 2024?

[@silentbob3208]

Dude... When I realized what was going on today, this came right to my mind.

[@NascarNixon]

Why would you "blow" $5 on something like that?

[@Dalton1294]

I remember this race. At every pit stop the teams were just changing the right side tires and the wear was really bad

[@briangideon9420]

It sucks that my first cup race in person had to be this. Was indeed very disappointing.

[@bigdave46148]

Goodyear didn't do a tire test after the track was worked on. The right front and right rear tires were wearing out with in 20 laps and blowing.

[@kullanbroadway]

The brickyard needs to be taken off the schedule for 2 series. We can't take any chances seeing tires blow like this like in that race from 2008. The brickyard needs to be only for Indy car and Indy lights

[@itsjakeyh7720]

I remember watching this race on TV as an 8 year old, being horribly disappointed

[@TomO-if7nh]

This makes me not want to buy Goodyear tires.

[@overdonelasagna5751]

Tom O you dont go 180 mph on banked turns tho

[@GeorgeOfAIITrades]

If NASCAR was a multi-tire sport, and Goodyear had to compete with another company, we'd finally get some good tires.

[@BLyonsDesign]

Last time they had to compete with another tire both companies ended up making their tires so soft that this exact thing happened.

[@MysteriousSteve1234]

That's the thing, even if there were multiple manufacturers it wouldn't solve anything, look at the 2005 US GP (funny enough also at indy) multiple manufacturers push them to out perform each other, which ultimately causes more and more unsafe conditions for the drivers as they put out softer and softer tires

[@johnboy4025]

1994, Neil Bonnet died testing a new tire... Stick with one type

[@AlonsoRules]

if there is a tyre war, there would be a battle for the softest and there would be failures

[@wilsoncrocker]

remember hoosier? if not look it up

[@lukaku20wba]

This is literally the US GP 2005 scenario

[@CaptPatrick01]

Or at least, what _would_ have happened if they decided to race anyway despite the warnings.

[@zedramer]

Two races for Juan Montoya at Indy with tires blowing up!

[@hmdwgf]

Another problem with the Brickyard 400 is that it usually takes place in late July, which is the hottest time of the year almost everywhere in the northern hemisphere for all areas below the Tropic of Cancer- Indianapolis included. For this year it's going to be held in early September after Darlington, when the weather is cooler, which is a good thing. But the NASCAR race at Indy should be a Saturday night race. Why not? The TV spectacle would make it stand out from the Indy 500 and it would give the event a different feel.

[@robminmonaca]

Well I read somewhere that the colts home opener is that day as well and might conflict with them.

[@robminmonaca]

hmdwgf IMS talked about putting in lights a few years ago but they didn’t want to ruin the look of the track and it would have been super expensive.

[@smackythefrog23]

nascar blew it because they didnt say ok, the tires suck, we are going to postpone this one and retry it after we get some proper tires.

[@TaurusSHO97]

I was at this race sitting in turn three. By time the race was over, I had rubber all over my clothes and skin. From a distance I looked like a black person. And I've noticed attendance there hasn't been the same since.

[@thomasg2488]

Goodyear should've been fired after this. There's a reason they get kicked out of basically every major racing series.

[@nascarfanatic2425]

I keep saying over and over that the 2008 Brickyard 400 is the worst NASCAR Race of all time. Not because Jimmie Johnson won; not because Jeff Gordon didn't win; not because there wasn't a big crash, but it's because of the piss-poor preparation they put into this race.

[@whoasked9500]

Jamie McMurray won it in 2010. Johnson won it in 2008.

[@nascarfanatic2425]

Oh yeah, my bad. I meant to type 2008. IDK why I said 2010. 2010 was a good one. I'll edit the initial comment.

[@MegaRumpelstiltskin]

2015 INDY and Michigan called and would like to have a word with you. The prototype for this year's "exciting aero package" was nothing but a single file freight train. At least 2008 had the drama of when the next tire would blow!

[@rogue_8370]

I remember this race they could only run 10-12 laps before a tire blew out It was a mess.

[@thomasg2488]

And now we have tires that have no fall off. That's just great

[@ethanroebuck7203]

Im so glad my family waited until the next year to go to this race... I heard that the reason for all these blow outs was the year before Indy had the track re-paved and GOODYEAR refused to do a tire test and this was the result, and if you remember, Formula 1 had the same issues and that was the reason, Bridgestone again refused to run a tire test and only 6 cars started that race. That is what i like about nascar is they at least still ran, formula 1 was a HUGE disappointment that year, i mean who wants to see any race with 6 cars on track? Nascar teams at least ran the race

[@ethanroebuck7203]

Ah yes, my mistake. It was Michelin that refused to tire test.

[@FallingPicturesProductions]

The next year's race wasn't any better. Sure, it wasn't muddled with tire issues, but NASCAR went the other way with it and tires were so hard, and the aero package so perfect, that it was impossible to pass.

[@bullterriermolly5874]

Ya well f1 is smart cuz in a open cockpit, a blowout and any crash caused by it creates dangerous debris and deaths way easier than in a stock car, I cant believe you shit on f1, nascar couldn't make the pit crew in f1. Lol

[@timothyalston9171]

9:25 How that should've gone: Punch: "What can you do right?" Mike Helton "Nothing."

[@DanielNuteson]

who's here after Indy announces the Brickyard 400 will be on the road course?

[@josephh.189]

I remember being there that year seeing all of the cars having issues with the tires

[@victorvaca3057]

Came here after Texas.

[@DarthEvilicus]

At least the field didn’t all retire in protest before the green flag

[@glamourgirl2123]

"Goodyear can't build a tire that's worth a crap..."

[@dylanbradford7863]

We should've listened to Tony.

[@OwnedByUno]

Litterally in 14 years it's still facts

[@Kartkid024]

LOL, this was the first Nascar race I ever attended......Was quite disappointed with the race, but still had fun.

[@M1lesJames]

Probably the worst NASCAR race ever, excluding rain shortened races.

[@DillonMurway]

Did you watch Talladega in October?

[@M1lesJames]

Dillon Murway Yes. Decent race. The ending was weak, but glad Logono won.

[@DillonMurway]

Kenny Powers The GWC rule was bullshit

[@M1lesJames]

Yes, it is. NASCAR can't make a rule and stick to it. Dale Jr should've won

[@MikeTheKoopaWarrior]

No, The 2016 Xfinity race at Indy was much worse

[@avengedfate9471]

Montoya probably going "Fucking pavement hasn't been changed since 2005"

[@johndaniels4623]

Not gonna lie, I’m disturbed this was posted a decade ago, thanks for video

[@johnstark4723]

lol, I was there shooting the race for a newspaper. Got some nice pics that weekend 😜

[@sirnickels9979]

I'm sure you had a decent selection of pictures to choose from with damage

[@johnstark4723]

@@sirnickels9979 And one hilarious photo was Robbie Gordon's left front tire on fire and the shape was the same as the logo on his car for the cell phone company 🤣

[@danieltaylor1666]

Ah I remember going home covered in tire dust

[@Tiger31193]

In Indy, there are flutes on the track surfase, so the track can be sooner dry if it rains. The problem was by Michelin and Goodyear the soft tire.

[@seannicol7309]

Could you imagine like if they did actually run out of tires because of this? Like this was an embarrassment, but if they did end up not aging enough tires to run the whole 160 laps that would have been astronomical

[@elvissmith404]

bring back Hoosier tires

[@DDS029]

They are Generals now. Continental bought General who bought Hoosier. The ARCA tires are still the continuing evolution of the Hoosier tires, but General is the name they want to get the publicity. Hoosier is the trusted name in short track racing, so they left the Hoosier name on them. NASCAR likes having a different tire maker that has experience on speedways, in case Goodyear ever was to pull out. And now, also a name brand.

[@evanwilliams6406]

This is what killed the prestige of the Brickyard 400, this was a complete farce. This is where Neil Bonnett's old quote "the pace car has a good chance of it" has a whole new meaning.

[@Dalejr88rox]

I'd say this race was a bigger disgrace than the 2005 US Grand Prix. In that race, Toyota were really only the cars suffering from the Michelins (Williams reported their cars weren't experiencing extreme wear like the Toyotas). Goodyear's tires affected everybody in the race

[@TAVIII]

incorrect they all had the same issues.

[@Dalejr88rox]

Wrong. Look it up. Toyota was the only team to have a blowout. The RedBull and Williams teams even reported that their tires were fine, but Michelin advised them to not race

[@TAVIII]

***** Of course they would say that they wanted points

[@Dalejr88rox]

OK That doesn't make any sense. If they wanted points, why didn't the race then? The FIA didn't force them to not race, it was their own discretion.

[@TAVIII]

***** Yes they were forced, if there had been a crash and someone had been hurt / killed F1 would have been ended.

[@olive8252]

I love the constant roasting of Goodyear

[@gravmelly]

whos here after texas

[@bdavis24fan]

I was at that race. oh boy that was fun.

[@hydroman333]

@smackythefrog23 Very nicely put. I've seen this all too often with popular sports / music groups / businesses / etc. They start out small and are really good because they are run by people who are fighting to put the best product possible out to the customers, but as it becomes more popular, business minded people who couldn't give a rat's orifice (keeping it clean for the kiddies) take over for the money and end up ruining something good. Unfortunate.

[@chevyblock550]

This race should've made NASCAR go back to Hoosier.

[@germerican7182]

I remember this clearly i enjoyed the race

[@mzxrules]

@vidEvWill was thinking that the Coca Cola 600 in 2005? was worse, but there was a bit of racing in that race. Looking at Wikipedia, the worst race might have been the 2009 Coca-Cola 600 in '09. It took 6 and a half hours to complete 227 laps, or an average speed of 52.4 mph.

[@MinhLe-kt5zg]

Technically if u think about it it was Goodyear’s fault not really NASCAR’S because NASCAR had no control about what tyres Goodyear make or what they bring to each race

[@sulphurous2656]

Anyone here after Texass 2022?

[@josephgibbons1631]

I remember this embarrassment. ...... someone at Goodyear had to get fired.

[@kutsumiru]

did they not test the tires here at all prior to the race?

[@mrgeebers]

And thus kicked off the dark ages of NASCAR

[@xxAlexanderTheGreatx]

I don’t watch a lot of racing so can someone explain what was different about this track compared to others? What caused the tires to shred?

[@kyleraymer5581]

If I understood it correctly it was just too much stress on the tires. It's a very fast track with not much banking thats very tough on tires. It's actually not the first time a racing league has had tire issues at Indy. F1 had a race where only like 6 drivers were able to start the race.

[@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT]

This race killed the Brickyard 400

[@Cramhead43]

u know what really sucks.... I WAS THERE AT THE TRACK!

[@gagemcpherson4454]

This is the race that killed the Brickyard 400 I remember watching this race with my dad and grandpa

[@jmjrulz9482]

This is why NASCAR needs more than one tire supplier. Either that, or someone else needs to take over from Goodyear.

[@mikemaynard7224]

No to more tire suppliers. Remember Hoosier in 94? 2 drivers died because of this.

[@DDS029]

We were running Hoosiers on our ARCA car without a problem, same cars (0 to 5 years older), same weight, same tracks, same tires. The difference was we didn't pretend to know better than the Hoosier techs. We did what they said to do. Not all the wacky steering geometries, camber settings, tire pressures, the NASCAR team's tire "specialist" did. Bodine had the field covered at Dover. He could run a full fuel run, and then some, without blowing up after 20-25 laps like the Goodyears. The lesser talent drivers would burn up their tires and wreck, while the more experienced Goodyear teams could run a few laps longer. So when the "less talented" brought out the yellow it was just in time for the better teams. Bodine didn't need tires, except that new Goodyears were faster than 25 lap Hoosiers. So to make sure he could stay out in front of the wrecks, he had to change tires also. And there went his advantage of not having to make as many pit stops. A tire war is not good for ANYBODY. One side or the other at any given race is going to step over the line. And which two drivers died in '94 because of tires? If you are talking about Bonnet, you are mistaken. Our ARCA car crashed in the same spot the day before, and broke the wall. You can see in pictures of Bonnet's accident, that the D and A are missing off the wall. Ours was a first timer at Daytona. A gust of wind caught him off guard. Unfortunately, he did what you do to "save" the car on a short track which was the wrong thing to do here. Our car slid sideways onto the apron, shot up the track, hit the roof of the car on the top of the wall, and came spinning down the track. When I took the car to the Museum at Talladega the next day, the tires were flat spotted, but were still holding air the last time I saw it thirteen years ago. So on Neil's car, he either over corrected and knocked the air out of the RF when he hit, ran over something, or they didn't set the front end geometry like it was suggested for all the teams that used to run the Goodyears, and abused the RF. We ran Hoosiers before that, and we ran Hoosiers after that, and never had a problem unless we messed up the setup.

[@mojomojo7439]

Jm, your clueless, I hate people who think they know about racing and especially about tires

[@jeffniznick9280]

@@mikemaynard7224 Thank you!! I remember Hoosier getting into the nascar game. Horrible idea.

[@sammycoats524]

What was different about the tires?

[@Kartracer6]

I remember this race but what exactly was the issue with the tires and what is the deal with Indy having issues with Tires. F1 now Nascar?

[@rudyk5518]

I hate competition cautions. To have multiple in one race is a nightmare

[@eccentricgamer4111]

Indianapolis Motor Speedway & Tire Problems. Name a more iconic duo, I'll wait.

[@Foxdidnothingwrong]

Clint Boyer and the word Clog

[@GatoradeCupSeriesX94]

It just happened this year at the same track...

[@alexthesniper1952]

This was mainly Goodyear's Fault, I really don't fualt Mike Helton or Brian France in this case, for trying to do their best with that crappy tire compound Goodyear brought that year.

[@girlwithaguitar24]

This is what you do in this scenario, NASCAR 1. Suspend Race until Monday 2. Ship Pocono Tires to Indy 3. Don't have this fucking debacle.

[@cdmurphy32]

I was at this race man did it suck it was so hot and every other green flag lap it was a caution and then JJ won the damn thing lol

[@lo1bo2]

4:38 Jaime quoted a driver and said "shit" on the air.

[@devinbrown1775]

Did the track got repaved because all the tires come apart?

[@mikulitsi1819]

As someone who watches NASCAR seldom, I didn't know NASCAR had its own disastrous F1 US GP-like tyre disaster. This is what that F1 GP would have been for Michelin teams had they raced. They would've needed to pit every 10 laps or so.

[@idkplayer]

4x wear on NASCAR Heat 4

[@brandonpennington1983]

Out of all my 30 or so years of watching NASCAR this is the only time I've seen anything even close to this, I think it was also the COT car of tomorrow, they said that I'm pretty sure, I read a comment that said they diamond ground the track that year too, so a combination of things caused this. I don't hole this against anybody because look at all the times they go race and everything works out perfect, almost every single week. So yea just a fluke.

[@snappy452]

This was the worst race I ever made myself sit through. If there were a drivers union, no way would they have raced that day.

[@johnnyroberts3761]

This race made me hate Mike Helton so much more. Thank God he’s not the Nascar president anymore.

[@robminmonaca]

Johnny Roberts well now Brian France has to go next. Did Mike retire or was he fired ?

[@johnnyroberts3761]

I think he took on a different role. Brent Dewar is the current president, but Helton is the Vice Chairman, so he's still involved in Nascar in a way

[@robminmonaca]

Johnny Roberts well NASCAR needs to clean house if they want to get anywhere close to what they were in the 90s and early 2000s. I can’t watch NASCAR at all anymore.

[@comicaljunk]

I was at this race was so mad I barely watched Nascar after and don't anymore. Nascar should've refunded the money to the fans

[@kyleraymer5581]

This was the first Nascar race I ever attended:(

[@the_road__warrior6185]

I sure do miss hearing A.P. In the booth.

[@nascarfan88ta]

I remember this. Every 10 laps caution was out it seemed like

[@gregstephens4028]

which year was this?

[@GeneralSmitty91]

And thus began Tony's complaints about tires lol

[@jam_plays_games]

So when they leave Indy in 2021, I know which race to blame for ruining my favorite event

[@reno145]

I would think more of the blame can go to Roger Penske, as the new owner of the track. As soon as he bought the track I thought “well, there goes NASCAR on the oval.”

[@donaldfuller5041]

Was Goodyear trying to be cheap with the construction of the tire?

[@ricardomeertens9165]

2020 youtube: watch this

[@stephenmoore63]

This race and listening to the guys in the booth every year on ESPN was hard to watch.

[@Jamersonde]

The tires should be better this year @ Indy. We should have longer green flag runs & NO competition cautions.