CWWK X86 P5 M.2 NVMe NAS Board Review

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@StenIsaksson
@StenIsaksson 6 ай бұрын
Why does the seagulls fly over the sea? Because if they fly over the bay they would be bagels.
@picasso566
@picasso566 6 ай бұрын
I'd rather have this bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy
@yensteel
@yensteel 6 ай бұрын
Ha
@nascompares
@nascompares 6 ай бұрын
I mean, fair play @picasso566, that's solid wordplay. Respect.
@itsnahombereket
@itsnahombereket 6 ай бұрын
i hate that i love this
@blisterbill8477
@blisterbill8477 2 ай бұрын
Baygulls no longer reproduce in the wild. Thanks to human interference, they can only reproduce in captivity and are almost always flightless. The upside is that domesticated baygulls will never poop on a freshly washed car.
@krin-san
@krin-san 5 ай бұрын
Please prepare more videos like this one, about mini pcs turned into a NAS. The options are numerous but they all come with their downsides and finding something good enough ain’t easy.
@CodeSnowy
@CodeSnowy 6 күн бұрын
For anyone looking at this in the future. I bought one of these and put a 48GB 4800Mhz RAM on it and it booted without any issue into BIOS. Have not tested with OS yet but to boot to BIOS means it is fine 99% of the time.
@pconnor462
@pconnor462 6 ай бұрын
I could easily see someone designing a 3D printable case for this that puts a couple SATA drives on top of it, and then a 120mm fan along the back that would actively cool all of the components. Would love to see that come to fruition.
@Dreadylock9170
@Dreadylock9170 5 ай бұрын
i started work on one but ran into problems problem 1 the fan headers are 1.25mm pin pitch looking for adapters haven't found any except for in china what they (cwwk) recommend is USB fans so now looking for USB headers (2.0 pin pitch) for USB 2.0 found some on another web site , next comes the propriety SSD/HDD header you could break these no replacements,they don't sell them ( could have use a plug like in a laptop, ask them for a cad model they pointed my to some weird can format .x_t looked at at it using e drawings and realized nothing looks professional so i had to measure each port to get locations and rebuild cad model. so i believe this is a waste of money to even get vs a raspberry 5 with a hat for 4nvme drives yeah sure it has more memory and probably more power.
@jimmyTimtam
@jimmyTimtam 3 ай бұрын
I have the 8core i3 model coming and was planning to do exactly that when it arrives. I will drop a link if all goes well. i3 has twice the processing power than the other models so I might run proxmox and some light VMS. I don't think he striped the nvme drives so this could be hindering the read writes on the daughter board possibly. I will stripe and test the speed.
@Bytional
@Bytional 2 ай бұрын
There are already bunch of Chinese DIYers have done it, they made a open source project called qNAS, you can have 2 to 5 bay 3.5 sata bay or 2 to 6 bay 2.5 sata versions.
@CodeSnowy
@CodeSnowy Ай бұрын
​@@jimmyTimtam Have you had any luck. Also any info on speed and CPU performance? I am very interested in getting one of these and would love to have more info before I get them.
@kosmos3718
@kosmos3718 10 күн бұрын
​@@Bytional could you give a link on these? how are more than 2 SATA drives supported with only 2 pins? or are they doing away with the nvme slots and using the PCIe 3.0x4 for SATA?
@franktothemax
@franktothemax 6 ай бұрын
The I hate seagulls bit gets me every time.
@paulwoodward8265
@paulwoodward8265 6 ай бұрын
please do more, can it do raid5, or is that daughterboard not up to it?
@Trains-With-Shane
@Trains-With-Shane 6 ай бұрын
I ordered the i3-n305 version yesterday. Going to stand up a NAS and run my home network services off of it. I went ahead and spent the extra money for the 32gb/1tb kit as it was only $2 cost difference than ordering the SODIMM and the NVME drive separately, lol. My usage case for this isn't going to require blistering file transfer speeds. Was hoping you'd have some software testing in this video as I plan to run a ZFS pool for the storage and some proxmox/docker stuff.
@ivanmalinovski7807
@ivanmalinovski7807 6 ай бұрын
Just fyi, I've got the Terra Master F4-424 Pro, which also has N305, and is semi-passively cooled. it has a cooling block, but it only has one fan on the side for the whole system, and if it's not super well ventilated, it'll get pretty warm under pretty light loads, unless I ramp up the fan.
@marconwps
@marconwps 5 ай бұрын
Mmm terramaster try to install xigmanas ?
@Trains-With-Shane
@Trains-With-Shane 5 ай бұрын
@@ivanmalinovski7807 I think i'll be ok given the fan that comes with it, the open form factor and the fact that there is ambient air movement where this thing is going to live. Hopefully i'll have it in a few days and can tell for sure. The usage case was to find something that pumped out less heat than my 14c/28t xeon with 6x 3.5" drives.
@Trains-With-Shane
@Trains-With-Shane 5 ай бұрын
@@ivanmalinovski7807 I've got it up and running. the little included fan seems to work pretty well. Now I just need to find some screws to actually attach it. The system came pre-assembled but lacks hardware to attach the fan, grill, and filter. I'll come up with something. Also in my testing just using four 256gb NVME drives in a RAIDZ it's able to sustain writes when copying to the device at 1gbt. I haven't tested 2.5 yet since I don't have that part of my infrastructure upgraded yet. It's in the works, though and I have most of the stuff I need. Also forgot to mention that i'm just running Proxmox with Cockpit in an LXC container as the NAS. And just finished standing up an Ubuntu server 22.04 VM and everything is working out just fine. Proxmox is installed on a 2.5" SSD using one of the included adapters so I could utilize all four NVME slots for the storage pool. It'll later be upgraded to either 2tb of 4tb drives. Just picked up the 256gb ones as a cheap proof of concept test set.
@Trains-With-Shane
@Trains-With-Shane 5 ай бұрын
So it looks like this thing is going to be plenty powerful for what i'm going to use it for. Should make for an excellent low power and/or travel server. Just need to come up with some kind of enclosure for it. Or some feet to stand it on, etc.
@tommybronze3451
@tommybronze3451 6 ай бұрын
Hi, actually I’ve got an idea for testing system like this one: populate it with nvme drives and boot from ubuntu usb or something similar. Make a zfs array (raid5) and copy some large video file to it. Then just copy from one folder to another within that zfs array! That should tell people how goot the cpu is in terms of calculating checksums and parity data. You could setup a ram disk and copy data from the array to ram disk and the from ram disk back total the array - that way we would know the read and write performance for at least sequential data.
@AdamPrtn
@AdamPrtn 6 ай бұрын
Great review of a very good device, may look at grabbing one of these for homelab use. Also the Seagulls! God I wish I lived near the seaside!
@nascompares
@nascompares 6 ай бұрын
I mean..If you saw the work that goes into the audio gating to remove ALL of the seagulls audio in these vids...you would never consider a seaside residency in a million years!!!! I swear, one day I will publish a 20min vid of an empty studio and just the gulls...it's like a David Attenborough blooper real of bird noises....
@That_Stealth_Guy
@That_Stealth_Guy 6 ай бұрын
Quite an interesting little board. What has me more interested is the break out board from PCIe 3x4 to four 3x1 slots. Could that be added to a board that is more robust. I have a Asrock Deskmini B760 that has some interesting features. Intel 12-14th Gen 65W processors 1 PCIe 5.0 X4 slot 1 PCie 4.0 X4 slot 2 Sata ports (via similar break out cables) 20 GB/s USB Type C, See where my mind is going with this. It might just be worth the $150ish to get this board and do some tinkering
@scottbrooke4896
@scottbrooke4896 6 ай бұрын
I'm running this system with Proxmox without the 4xNVME. E-Key 64gb boot drive at 3x1 speeds and a 2TB regular NVME at 3x4 speed for CEPH only. Putting the fan on the heat sink was required. 32gb RAM works perfectly fine. It's ok as a Proxmox node as long as you don't expect too much out of it. The 4 E-Cores are obvious at times, but normal operation is great. 3 node Proxmox cluster running CEPH for the only storage and about 3-4 VMs on this node at any time.
@THEG12EG
@THEG12EG 5 ай бұрын
What's a e-key?
@scottbrooke4896
@scottbrooke4896 5 ай бұрын
@@THEG12EG m.2 slots are keyed for different functions. The “WiFi slot” is an E-Key slot. The cool thing about it is it usually has a x1 pcie lane and regular storage will work. Slowly. Regular storage m.2 slots are M-Key.
@THEG12EG
@THEG12EG 5 ай бұрын
@@scottbrooke4896 oh I've always wondered what that slot was called 😂
@NathanLayman-g8b
@NathanLayman-g8b 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video! I'm very new to all this. How would you say this stacks up against, say, the friendlyelec 3588? They both have 4 M2 Gen3x1 slots. Does the oversaturation problem / cooling issues make up for the difference in CPU performance for a basic home NAS / plex server? Which would you recommend for that purpose?
@HelloHelloXD
@HelloHelloXD 6 ай бұрын
Yes for more tests. Maybe raid z2 on Truenas?
@THEG12EG
@THEG12EG 5 ай бұрын
Your best putting a OS disk in the WiFi slot imo
@Airbag888
@Airbag888 6 ай бұрын
Maybe get 20 will have 10gb NIC and proper lanes to saturate the link in read and writes :) I'm guessing the SATA connectors are for 2.5" drives and don't provide 12V to 3.5" drives?
@Spreadie
@Spreadie 6 ай бұрын
I already have the exact same mini PC without the NVME adapter and 4 way daughterboard. I wonder if you can buy them separately...
@FlexDRG
@FlexDRG 15 күн бұрын
Good to hear how poorly the speeds are on this system. Any idea if the name performance would be better on the i3 version?
@jimmyTimtam
@jimmyTimtam 3 ай бұрын
Did you stripe the drives and test the speed or did you treat them all as individual drives and just copy between them
@surjitsinghdeo6533
@surjitsinghdeo6533 Ай бұрын
is there a similar system for sata hard drives?
@roblatour3511
@roblatour3511 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for the review. Been looking for a solution to more simply support two 3.5" external hard drives; I assume this will do the trick - is that right? Also, of note, at 8:11 you mentioned it has 2 x 10 G ethernet ports but the link to the device on AliExpress says 2 x 2.5 G.
@roblatour3511
@roblatour3511 6 ай бұрын
@@ymeshulin your right - he said two USB 10 Gig ports - don't know how I missed that - I was assuming he was talking about the ethernet ports
@thetailwind
@thetailwind 15 күн бұрын
@@roblatour3511 I think he meant to say USB ports.
@ChrisPanton
@ChrisPanton Ай бұрын
Looking to setup a plex, immich and home assistant server. would this support all of that you think? Trying to determine the best nvme route to go if so
@hoegger77
@hoegger77 4 ай бұрын
lovely machine! just got mine :D But i cannot get the fan to work. What bios setting did you use?
@toungewithgills1
@toungewithgills1 20 күн бұрын
Is the BKHD C612 2011-3 motherboard worth building a NAS out of? The one I looked at on Alibaba and AliExpress has 10 SATA and 1 VGA I don't remember the rest.
@RobertoAnile
@RobertoAnile 6 ай бұрын
i have the i3-n305 variant with the board and 5 (FIVE) nvme attached and running.. 4 nvme on the expansion board (pcie4x4 downgraded to 3x1 each) and the 5th drive in a custom a+e to m-key adapter i built myself. everything works perfectly fine, running proxmox on the 5th drive and with mdadm raid5 array with lvm on top on the other 4 drives.. lan ports are lacp'd so i get full 2.5gb transfer speed, quite happy and sold my old DS920+.
@cl-be2zs
@cl-be2zs 6 ай бұрын
Can you make a video/post on how you did this?
@RobertoAnile
@RobertoAnile 6 ай бұрын
@@cl-be2zs uhm yeah i guess i could post something about, you mean the 5th drive adapter? or the whole setup?
@evgenypotapov3716
@evgenypotapov3716 3 ай бұрын
@@RobertoAnilecwwk released this board with case, so would be apreciate if you show your hole setup
@RobertoAnile
@RobertoAnile 3 ай бұрын
@@evgenypotapov3716 yeah i ordered that case so to swap the dev board and have it cleaner, i promise i will make a video with the 5 nvme disks installed!
@evgenypotapov3716
@evgenypotapov3716 3 ай бұрын
@@RobertoAnile are you happy with disk performance?
@AndriiGumennyi
@AndriiGumennyi 3 ай бұрын
What is the storage configuration there? Do they provide m2 2242 AND 2280 as others N100 vendors? Or the only m2 slot is occupied by this "extender" board and all we have to do - fill in 4 slots there?
@Andy-fd5fg
@Andy-fd5fg 6 ай бұрын
I'm confused.... intel says the n100 and n305 only support gen 3 pcie. The products own specification sheet says the onboard M.2 slot is only gen 3 x2..... where did you get gen4 x4 from? Is that a PCIe switch chip on that daughtercard? If so, all of this would explain the poor performance when writing the the storage.
@SambitBiswas
@SambitBiswas 6 ай бұрын
What’s the closest thing to DSM that we can install on this one?
@CastIronEric
@CastIronEric Ай бұрын
So then that is the best nvme nas for under 500?
@theroboticscodedepot7736
@theroboticscodedepot7736 6 ай бұрын
How much memory did you have in it when you did your tests?
@m14srv
@m14srv 2 ай бұрын
N100 raid 6 nas ?
@mnadamn
@mnadamn 4 ай бұрын
I would love a comparison between this and the odroid H4 plus
@PubgPeaks
@PubgPeaks 5 ай бұрын
You can remove the seagull sound using spectral editing. Not as simple but can be done or just improve sound isolation in your studio. Btw nice video
@nascompares
@nascompares 5 ай бұрын
At this point, as annoying as it is, if I removed the sound of gulls, a small % of subscribers would lynch me.... It's catch 22... So.. I'll settle for leaving them in, but also getting increasingly annoyed by them...that's healthy, right?
@DJ369-Miami
@DJ369-Miami 27 күн бұрын
I just bought an external USB 3 4TB drive hooked up to a Mac mini. Cost $100 (for the storage). Then I just Remote Manage into the Mini and I can do anything and more that a NAS can do. If you want redundancy get a second drive and some software to mirror the two. Case closed.
@frankwong9486
@frankwong9486 6 ай бұрын
I have purchased one also but it looks slightly different The nvme carrier board has an extra brown soft cable And the header on the main PCB is slightly changed on placement The model I ordered is a n305
@klyxk
@klyxk 5 ай бұрын
I think that brown cable it possibly a power cable - on the v3 in the video you can see a red/black cable going to the daughterboard instead of the wide brown cable that comes with the earlier models
@kennethfeagins1414
@kennethfeagins1414 5 ай бұрын
I think the 3x1 was a miss. I would have much preferred a PLX on there, so each is at a 3x4. Then I can use these as a small mesh of nodes for some of the work I have.
@nascompares
@nascompares 5 ай бұрын
Would definitely need to beef up that CPU if they did! Even the N305/i3 wouldn't stretch to that. Would need a decent emb.ryzen or Intel core Mobile Soc - which would get REAL TOASTY in that frame
@KS-wr8ub
@KS-wr8ub 6 ай бұрын
Been eying that board nog for a coupe of weeks. Would be potential candidate to become a NAS in my RV. But is it a 12 V or 19 V PSU?
@dktol56
@dktol56 5 ай бұрын
12V, 3A. He briefly displays the power brick at 2:25.
@cl-be2zs
@cl-be2zs 6 ай бұрын
Would you buy this over the Asustor Flashtor 6 - I know the Asustor is more than double the price?
@stanislavtrifan96
@stanislavtrifan96 5 ай бұрын
This is only board with cpu(you need package and other stuff), asustor is full package
@הומושמן
@הומושמן 3 ай бұрын
Could you please create a comparison video of CWWK 5P to CM3588 board? or probably there is any ryzen powered alternative with 4 nvme ssd idk that would be the best router/nas/homelab for me tbh
@Cynyr
@Cynyr 6 ай бұрын
Hmm, dual nvme for l2arc, dual sata ssd for os, and one of those asm1166 sata m.2 cards for 6 hdds for bulk storage. Can i get this a itx form factor with a atx psu input. No jmb55 sata because they don't support aspm.
@hauger27
@hauger27 2 ай бұрын
Bought and put together this system using 4x WD Black NVMe drives set up in a RAID5 setup. It seems to work but when transferring files into it the RAID5 bricks and needs the entire system re-installed. Tried both OMV 7 and TrueNAS scale and had same issue on both. I'm assuming it's a thermal problem causing something to corrupt. Anyone else have this issue and anyone manage to solve?
@miriamramstudio3982
@miriamramstudio3982 5 ай бұрын
Great video. Thanks
@klausjones9012
@klausjones9012 2 ай бұрын
My cwwk Box arrvied a few days ago and I was wondering, if you guys have tried an M.2 Sata Drive? I know this is more of a firmware dependency, but I didn't findy any section in the bios menues. Reason I'm asking is, I have a chance of buying NOS M.2 Micron Enteripse Drives from 2018 at an attractive price. Speed doesn't matter for my applications (Phone pics and docs sync, CD rips/Bandcamp downloads streaming)
@frankwong9486
@frankwong9486 Ай бұрын
The quad carrier only do pcie signal and no sata controller in between so you can't use M2 sata on it .but board itself have 2 sata connector breakout which can provide 2 sata bay with their cable
@darthkielbasa
@darthkielbasa 6 ай бұрын
4:17 - heat was my immediate concern. Perhaps the standoffs can be added to the nvme side so that the device can be flipped and maintain silent operation. As you said, for $150 knicker and TWO 2.5 gbe, this is a fantastic deal.
@poucha6542
@poucha6542 5 ай бұрын
Hi. This might be a stupid question but, does anyone know if the 2 sata ports inside the board are able to power 3.5 hdd, or only 2.5 ones? Thanks.
@nickconnor8667
@nickconnor8667 3 ай бұрын
They should be able to power either one you would have to have a separate power supply to power said hard drives though , the way it works is SATA data ports are all the same only difference might be the size of your power ports but usually these are the same as well , however if you are trying to run a merged adapter that has both the power port and data port in the same connector then it only fits either 3.5 , or 2.5 or so on hopefully I haven't confused it took me a while to figure out that data and power plugins work independently of each other when I was learning about hard drives as well
@MrTR909
@MrTR909 4 ай бұрын
you should compare this guy with the FriendlyElec CM3558 plus or standard, this piece is super interesting as you can configure how many lanes can go to the also 4 m.2 nvme.
@הומושמן
@הומושמן 3 ай бұрын
they both have x1 pcie lanes for each individual name ssd
@lifefromscratch2818
@lifefromscratch2818 6 ай бұрын
I'm glad to hear the seagulls are still healthy!
@tomhlewis
@tomhlewis 2 ай бұрын
Anybody got one of these who can tell me if the wifi port has more than 1 PCI lane?
@THEG12EG
@THEG12EG 5 ай бұрын
Do ypu tbink ypu could run truenas off usb drive??
@BoraHorzaGobuchul
@BoraHorzaGobuchul 5 ай бұрын
It's not unRAID so the drive is liable to die fast
@THEG12EG
@THEG12EG 5 ай бұрын
@@BoraHorzaGobuchul maybe a solid state usb. Thing is you need a drive for os!!
@BoraHorzaGobuchul
@BoraHorzaGobuchul 5 ай бұрын
@@THEG12EG you do, of course. Since truenas, unlike unRAID, writes a lot to it's drive, a flash drive is very undesirable. A usb-ssd will most likely work, but again, depends on the quality of the SSD - usb-ssds are often low-quality stuff.
@AM-jw1lo
@AM-jw1lo 4 ай бұрын
I would like to see software running, not just a review of you holding it in your hands.
@felentus
@felentus 6 ай бұрын
ok, so the thing about ECC. It is literally a firmware feature, it costs them nothing to enable it. That series of CPUs support in band ecc, that is uses normal dram moduls. You just lose some capacity and bandwidth.
@saorikido227
@saorikido227 3 ай бұрын
I’m using it with truenas scale with 5 ssd (I’m using a m.2 wifi adapter for the os). Everything works fine but time to time (1~2 days) one of my 4 ssd got disconnected. If I just restart the board in truenas the disk is disconnected. If I shutdown it completely then start again the ssd get back... I’m wondering if it is the hardware/bios. Does someone had the same issue ? For now I don’t think it is a good machine for a nas when stability is important.
@MrGrangeia
@MrGrangeia 2 ай бұрын
@saorikido227 can you please let me know which 'm.2 wifi adapter' are you using to behave as the 5th SSD? Thanks.
@saorikido227
@saorikido227 2 ай бұрын
@@MrGrangeia youtube don’t let me put a link unfortunately...
@MrGrangeia
@MrGrangeia 2 ай бұрын
​@@saorikido227 Thanks anyway. Perhaps, if you could share where you bought it and a description, I could Google it?
@saorikido227
@saorikido227 2 ай бұрын
@@MrGrangeia search for «M.2 M2 NGFF Key M to Key A + E Extension Cable M2 SSD Adapter Card Extender extend Cable»
@saorikido227
@saorikido227 2 ай бұрын
@@MrGrangeia M.2 M2 NGFF Key M to Key A + E Extension Cable M2 SSD Adapter Card Extender extend Cable
@tommybronze3451
@tommybronze3451 6 ай бұрын
I see ceph node :) Edit: can the wifi m.2 be used for boot ?
@scottbrooke4896
@scottbrooke4896 6 ай бұрын
Yes, that's how I'm using it. E-key to M-key adapters work fine, but are too tall if you use an NVME in the M-Key slot. There's one place, Cervos, that makes an E-Key NVME stick.
@tommybronze3451
@tommybronze3451 6 ай бұрын
@@scottbrooke4896 thanks for the into mate. Yes I'm aware of those exotic A&E key nvme, but those are too exotic for my liking and when things go wrong - it's harder to find a replacement ... and are also expensive and have low write performance.
@tommybronze3451
@tommybronze3451 6 ай бұрын
@@scottbrooke4896 BTW, I forgot to let you know, if some thread I've seen guy dishing out a link to an amazon item which was A&E to M-key with a ribbon cable allowing to place M-key socket with mounting PCB relatively easy anywhere in the unit !
@scottbrooke4896
@scottbrooke4896 6 ай бұрын
Yep, I looked at that. You’d have to rig up something to support the adapter though.
@tommybronze3451
@tommybronze3451 5 ай бұрын
@@scottbrooke4896 gaffer tape 😜 you know every bodge that works is permanent 🤣
@aijokker
@aijokker 3 ай бұрын
Did you see their pocket nas? X86-P5 4*M2 NVME 12TH GENERATION INTEL N100 I3-N305 DDR5 4800MHZ FIREWALL PC 2X I226-V 2.5G NETWORK CARD
@GriffonWalker
@GriffonWalker 5 ай бұрын
Maybe as a pf box, but come on that drive performance is terrible. I bet Ethernet are limited too. Doesn’t matter how cheap something is if it can’t meet minimum io standards for nas performance then it shouldn’t be one.
@0xKruzr
@0xKruzr 6 ай бұрын
whyyyyy do these manufacturers have an allergy to 10G networking
@alfblack2
@alfblack2 5 ай бұрын
very nice board!
@JamesTenniswood
@JamesTenniswood 6 ай бұрын
I was tempted but that m.2 adaptor is so crippled, I think an older optiplex sff would be a better bet
@QuincyNtuli
@QuincyNtuli 6 ай бұрын
Very fair review
@denvera1g1
@denvera1g1 6 ай бұрын
I dont think those are ZIF(dont look like it but could be) i like this style of connector more than ZIF as i tend to damage ZIF.
@thetailwind
@thetailwind 15 күн бұрын
Googled for longer than I should have. They are Samsung proprietary 12 pin to Sata cables. Look up part number BA39-01106B
@axescar
@axescar 6 ай бұрын
Interesting, but I decide to go another way. Ryzen 7600 with 4xnvme with x16 bifurcation and +2nvme on board. Will try to minimize power consumption. As a bonus - I can upgrade to ECC memory with this build
@nascompares
@nascompares 6 ай бұрын
Sounds great...but it might melt though the desk!
@axescar
@axescar 6 ай бұрын
@@nascompares hope not, will see. Will start with regular PSU 500w platinum, but its overkill - thinking of picopsu. Will measure power consumption from the wall and then decide. Main idea is RaidZ1 array of 5 nvme, 1 bootable nvme for proxmox and one CMR 5400 HDD for backups. Hope to fit in 30w idle and 50w load with CPU limitations in BIOS.
@wojtek-33
@wojtek-33 6 ай бұрын
ECC isn't guaranteed to work just because it's am5 and says it in the specs.
@axescar
@axescar 6 ай бұрын
@@wojtek-33 there is nice video from level1tech about it. So I did some research :)
@hspank
@hspank 5 ай бұрын
put this prompt in your favorite GEN_AI (such as perplexity pro): please describe a concrete setup including alternatives with maximum price performance for a DIY NAS setup based on the following settings: The best bang for the buck setup right now is to get a used mini PC (SFF) with enough PCI adapters and USB 3.2, plenty of RAM, and carefully tweak it for a cold/hot storage setup (& cloud backup), Add an usb-C-5Gbe for the sweet spot of NAS performance, then configure the storage pool tiers to your liking with truenas, unraid, openmv, primocache. 64GB RAM - 4 x 1GB NVME SSD - 4 x 18TB (8 x 8TB with refurbished Exos 2x18) 1 x NVME x 4 adapter 1 x SAS adapter 3GB/sec constant bitrate - generous caching wherever possible, assuming home use with few concurrent users, lots of large files, low db activity and random access.
@fcasinhas
@fcasinhas 6 ай бұрын
Please can someone explain me the "I hate seagulls" 😅
@nascompares
@nascompares 6 ай бұрын
No...and you can't make me
@DanielBethke
@DanielBethke 6 ай бұрын
Reminds me of "Seagulls! (Stop it now)" kzbin.info/www/bejne/i2rXXqaigdFmZqc
@GroundDwellerStudioS
@GroundDwellerStudioS 6 ай бұрын
If you listen carefully, and somerimes not so carefully, you can hear seagulls outside the studio interrupting his videos one or more times in many videos.
@Arachnoid_of_the_underverse
@Arachnoid_of_the_underverse 6 ай бұрын
They keep stealing the chips
@john_in_phoenix
@john_in_phoenix 6 ай бұрын
He has a seagull fetish! 😅 Seriously, they are quite loud and frequently interrupt his videos, thus the animosity.
@denvera1g1
@denvera1g1 6 ай бұрын
I'd love to see someone make a compulab airtop 3 style heatsink grid chimney cooler for this for both the CPU and the SSDs. I'd throw an actual i3 under a small version of that airtop3 cooler, or 2 or 3 of those atom N300s pretending to be an i3.
@denvera1g1
@denvera1g1 6 ай бұрын
On the subject of ECC...... wasnt ECC supposed to be standard for DDR5? Wasnt that the big selling point during the run up to release? Been quite upset with ECC uDIMM support in so many DDR5 platforms. Did anyone catch that it took Epyc coming to AM5 for most motherboards to put any work into enabling ECC? AM4 has had far better ECC support than AM5 up until now.
@ItsNITREX
@ItsNITREX 6 ай бұрын
I built Raspberry Pi NAS with a mix of SATA SSD’s and 2.5 in HDD’s while I wait on more SSD deals. So far so good, you can get 1Gbps stock speeds and 2.5Gbps with a USB C dongle, if your network allows it. Jeff Geerling had a video recently about it. As for the price it’s within $150-$200 for the system.
@ItsNITREX
@ItsNITREX 6 ай бұрын
Oh and also installed an e-Ink display with system stats like DateTime, IP address, CPU % and temp, Mem & Disk %
@werecow68
@werecow68 5 ай бұрын
@nascompares Embrace the seagulls. They are voicing their approval of your videos.
@boedilllard5952
@boedilllard5952 6 ай бұрын
I am pretty sure I'll be dead before we see a graphite battery or an affordable 16tb SSD even though they've been talking about graphite/cabon nanotube batteries for 30 years now (with a new breakthrough every 6 months) or an affordable 16tb SSD - promised about a decade ago. And to be clear while there are 16TB SSDs they are 10 plus times the price per TB than a spindle drive. Waiting for someone to say the average user doesn't need it so it is a niche market. The average person doesn't need at 75" TV, the average person doesn't need a Lexus or Mercedes or BMW, the average person doesn't need a house, the average person doesn't need a park, the average person doesn't need liquor store - doesn't mean there isn't a market for them. OH but they are too expensive - yes - that is the point. Plasma TVs were $18,000 for a 40" 720i TV when they came out - somehow they managed to figure out despite people saying there was no demand that they could sell tons of them when they got the price down.
@Aloha_XERO
@Aloha_XERO 5 ай бұрын
I’d like to see something like that asus nas concept but when i saw the thumbnail I was like thats ive been looking for but a controller that slots into a motherboard like a usb external to a evo 850 sata ssd to raid-0 to the mb direct slotusing 1 lane
@bankruptsee
@bankruptsee 6 ай бұрын
A HUNDRED AND FIFTY WHAT?!
@BoraHorzaGobuchul
@BoraHorzaGobuchul 6 ай бұрын
A couple hundred more iterations, and they'll get it right. Otoh, even Synology might also get it right by that time...
@stephens3153
@stephens3153 5 ай бұрын
On Ali Express it is available with 32GB of RAM, this really bothers me that vendors will do this. The N100 will only support one channel with up to 16GB per memory module. Yes, the bios may recognize larger memory modules but the CPU will not address it, the memory registries have to be designed to address the memory, it will simply ignore anything larger than what it was designed for. If anyone has one of these with more than 16GB of Ram. please find a python script that will test memory by grading a defined amount at a time and see where it tops out at.
@Gonzie6
@Gonzie6 6 ай бұрын
until you mentioned it I thought the seagulls were around me. yes I also hate the evil things
@MrtrenchTrucker
@MrtrenchTrucker 5 ай бұрын
WTF is a quid in freedom money? 💵🇺🇲 also, what's a "Knicker"???
@JamesTenniswood
@JamesTenniswood 6 ай бұрын
Odds are those m.2 ssd's would be faster sitting in sata adaptors 😂
@jblack3761
@jblack3761 6 ай бұрын
At pcie 3.0x1 they should be about twice the speed of sata, not blazing fast, but plenty for the 2x2.5gb nics
@marconwps
@marconwps 5 ай бұрын
Ugreen psu easy to buy but Nas in my Town it's a mission impossibile 😢
@zzaretube
@zzaretube 6 ай бұрын
I like the pink wrist watch much more.
@nascompares
@nascompares 6 ай бұрын
Funny thing is, it's easier to buy the bloody NAS! Look for the pink Casio with pink facia
@gbjbaanb
@gbjbaanb 6 ай бұрын
TBH I'm not convinced the big heatsink is the bottom. That thing looks like it should be mounted on its side. Then you'd get a bit more heat dissipation from both cpu and nvme.
@MichaelDonna-z1r
@MichaelDonna-z1r 2 ай бұрын
Evangeline Inlet
@TimHunold
@TimHunold 6 ай бұрын
Can I grill fish on that toasty beast?
@nascompares
@nascompares 6 ай бұрын
Eventually....probably *sets AJA to do an infinity test of a 16GB 5K file, and prepares the salmon*
@dantesparda-b7c
@dantesparda-b7c 3 ай бұрын
Martinez Robert Davis Joseph Johnson Paul
@darthkielbasa
@darthkielbasa 6 ай бұрын
We should normalize “knicker” in place of “bucks” or “shekels” in the USA.
@nascompares
@nascompares 6 ай бұрын
I mean, fair play, 'shekels' is EXCELLENT. Haven't heard that in YEARS...might add this and 'bob' into future videos...I'm positive I won't immediately get flamed for that....
@ChapmanRod-d2l
@ChapmanRod-d2l 2 ай бұрын
Brown Shirley Gonzalez Donna Moore Elizabeth
@joaomiguelxs
@joaomiguelxs 6 ай бұрын
its a NANO NAS, of course it is.
@CrazyDriverSwed
@CrazyDriverSwed 5 ай бұрын
If you can afford 4 NVMe SSDs I think you can afford a better NAS solution than this. With an inexpensive PCIe card you can fit all the SSDs into you main computer skip the NAS.
@crax999
@crax999 4 ай бұрын
and leave the main pc running 24/7? you totally miss the point of a NAS here tbh
@CrazyDriverSwed
@CrazyDriverSwed 4 ай бұрын
@@crax999 I have my main pc running all the time anyway. Modern computers are quite good at managing the power according to the load.
@LeacockFrances-s6u
@LeacockFrances-s6u 2 ай бұрын
Taylor Maria Thompson Sharon Thomas Amy
@coldelectrons
@coldelectrons 4 ай бұрын
Seagulls, stop it now!
@life-on-earth
@life-on-earth 6 ай бұрын
Ooo first view lol
@vwbug1975
@vwbug1975 4 ай бұрын
I had to stop watching when he kept pronouncing NAS as NAZ ... there is no Z in Storage. It is not Ztorage. Therefore it is a NAS, not a NAZ.
@gmsipe
@gmsipe 6 ай бұрын
The whole point of NAS is to protect data from a drive failure - which is critical, of course - and data availability. However what happens when this device fails in a couple of years? The company will probably be gone or this hardware no longer offered. Something else *may* work, but may need significant time and effort to recover. This is a big issue when choosing a NAS. FWIW, I use Synology for a variety of reasons, including my belief that they will be around down the road and that I can move my drives to newer (or even used) Synology hardware quickly. This serious issue never seems to be addressed. It also applies to all new entrants into the NAS space and established companies without significant market share.
@GOVAUS1
@GOVAUS1 6 ай бұрын
No. This is about uptime, not protection. A proper backup strategy is needed to offer protection. RAID(s) have never been.
@john_in_phoenix
@john_in_phoenix 6 ай бұрын
For $150, I would order a spare. Admittedly this comes with no memory or storage, but it is in the same ballpark as a current Raspberry Pi. The I/O capabilities are light years ahead of a Pi. Use heatsinks for the m.2 drives and stick a Noctua 80mm or 120mm to blow across it, and you have a very capable device. Splitting the 4 lanes across 4 drives means that the drives will just max out the (admittedly slow) interface with little to no throttling. Just as an FYI, I also own 3 Synology NAS, and I am going to set up a 6 bay UGreen as soon as I spot a good deal on drives.
@marcogenovesi8570
@marcogenovesi8570 6 ай бұрын
it's a mini PC so you can just get any other (mini) PC, install the same TrueNAS or unRAID or whatever NAS OS you were using (he was using UnRAID), and import the array. The issue you raise is relevant only for NAS appliances, that come with their own OS/firmware and interface, which are often proprietary and limit array compatibility.
@nicklozon
@nicklozon 6 ай бұрын
NAS stands for "network attached storage", nothing to do with high availability. You can have a NAS without any redundancy if you wish, it's still a NAS. This is a compact mini-PC with a custom nvm-e expansion card, it's niche but it has plenty of use cases and is extremely affordable, even if it only lasted a couple years. Your narrow vision of what a NAS can be used for is pretty naive.
@frankwong9486
@frankwong9486 6 ай бұрын
Nas is not to protect data from a drive failure , it is to provide storage which is attached to network 😂 If this device failed what happen to the drive and data ? Well that depends on what you are running, something like truenas / unraid / windows you can move the array disk and import them
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