How Do Hackers Actually Cheat In Games?

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[@seti_o]

have you looked into this : Threadless Process Injection

[@teh_hippo]

I genuinely love how you have taken your channel in the last few months. Massive fan. It’s spot on. Clear, educational.

[@nathanbaggs]

Thanks! Just trying to make each video better than the last

[@brixt0n]

Are you still me? I created a wallhack for Medal of Honor: Allied Assault for educational purposes. Then I created an anticheat for the community based on my experience. I learned a lot about cheat techniques and detecting injections into an executable this way. Highly recommend experimenting with this!

[@nathanbaggs]

I still think you might be me

[@GameBacardi]

KD ratio 2 or over, ban

[@brixt0n]

@@GameBacardi close 🤣

[@metalspoon69]

Would love to see a video on "external" wallhacks where instead of injecting code you read process memory to determine the locations of players and draw an overlay over the game window.

[@nathanbaggs]

Yeah I think that would be fun to do, I also thought doing this alternate way would be interesting

[@asanwers]

Make a video how kernel anti cheats are bypassed using kernel drivers

[@DouglasFish]

"he's turned himself into chunklets!"

[@nathanbaggs]

A surprise to us all

[@StoneTheCr0w]

They're called gibs, noob

[@GoldenAdhesive]

I thought they call it giblets in unreal?

[@Daniel15au]

Amazing, you also watched the same video as me!

[@Aes_Saru]

​@@nathanbaggspretty sure he was trying to get the snipper rifle but missed.

[@ZynSays]

Every time you end a line you give the camera this absolutely incredulous look before the cut, I love it. I mean this entirely positively, it's got a charm to it.

[@nathanbaggs]

I just thought I was bad as editing, glad it comes across as charming (:

[@ZynSays]

@@nathanbaggs IMO it makes it look like you're more of a "Tech Guy that makes videos" than a "Video Guy who covers tech", and I think people generally trust that more!

[@Azeria]

the slow pace also helps given it’s pretty technical, it gives us an extra beat to process what you just said which is great honestly

[@nathanbaggs]

That’s the style I’ve been going for, glad it comes across

[@thomastorr1983]

Let's make this game a popular sport again! I have been playing all the Unreal games recently. The original Unreal game simply called Unreal has features that the other games don't have, such as a completely different weapon set (terran weapons) that you can alternate between by double tapping the number keys, a weapon that can grow, plants that can grow, and of course an entire single-player/co-op campaign. Please mod all the features of Unreal into Unreal Tournament

[@DrRadio155]

The last is done by OldSkool mutator.

[@MelroyvandenBerg]

it was always popular

[@Aes_Saru]

For real. It so much fun. We can even mod it to have more items and add our own skins.

[@Timic83tc]

Well you can't even buy the games anymore Screw epic

[@AsilarWindsailor]

@@Timic83tc Don't they offer UT for free on their website? I got it from them once when I couldn't find my install discs

[@dminik9196]

Using the texture is pretty neat. This works similarly to the popular cs1.6 wallhacks. The main difference is that that game used different glBegin mode for different models. Triangle strip and fans for players and something else for everythig else. One trick I used was to split the depth buffer. Near (0-0.1) for the players and the rest for everything else. This way, players would render on top, but their vertices would still be sorted and displayed corectly.

[@king_james_official]

nice clever trick :)

[@haxguy0]

Your videos are amazing. I'm an AppSec Engineer specializing in web apps so I find reverse engineering low level stuff to be pure magic. I'm completely baffled by your level of knowledge

[@RandomByte89]

Thanks for the great video Nathan. BTW at 11:36 what tool did you use to get the disassembly?

[@BinaryCounter]

He used Ghidra and then copied all the disassembled (and then decompiled) code into VSCode to be able to search through it better. Keep in mind that Ghidra does not output C code, just pseudo code that is similar to C. It's also very far from perfect.

[@nathanbaggs]

^ yup this

[@AsilarWindsailor]

@@nathanbaggs Alternatively, you could open up UnrealEd in the System directory and open all the game files in the script editor. Pretty sure everything is there There's also a way to dump all the classes out to .uc text files as well for easy access outside of the editor

[@st0rmw1ndz]

I love the format/style of your videos. Really easy to follow and see where you're thinking. Not to mention the topics themselves are super interesting

[@scottkappel3011]

Your channel has become one of my favorites. This content is incredibly entertaining and educational. Watching you navigate all of this with such ease is extremely fascinating

[@SianaGearz]

I'm sure there have to be ways to verify the gog installer! Someone might have fingerprinted the installer with a checksum. You can check cryptographic signature on the installer executable. It won't check the appended archive data but it will check that the executable is known and not malicious. In turn the game installation, the unpacked archive data, can be by all reason checked by gog galaxy. There is no rule against owning multiple gog accounts, downloading your offline installers and using the games with galaxy after installing them.

[@tardistrailers]

Isn't there an option in the GoG installation process to verify the integrity of the archive data? So if the installer is signed by GoG and the archive check is passed, the files should be untampered with.

[@IOSALive]

Nathan Baggs, Your videos always brighten my day, so I subscribed!

[@nathanbaggs]

Thanks!

[@ButcherTTV]

This channel is amazing, you should be proud of the videos you're making! Theyre something special.

[@nathanbaggs]

Thanks!

[@enigmatico6209]

iirc, unreal engine games from that time got wallhacks made using the same game engine by making a module specifically for it. You didn't need to hack the binary executable or inject code into it because it would be loaded as a game module or mod for the game, so it was much easier. There were anti-cheats that actually verified your game modules and checked if you were using something sketchy tough. All in all, it's more fun to learn to play the game and actually play it, but of course it's always interesting to learn how to inject yourself into other processes because what you can learn from this, you can apply to other kind of attacks. Like this is totally not usefull for reverse engineering and bypassing any kind of intelectual property protection ;) (and also modding other games)

[@kbkmn]

sometimes i run UT just to have fun on ctf-face by myself. Jesper Kyd is awesome

[@ReaperCH90]

I don't know enough to know how much I do not understand, but I understand enough to like these videos and learn something.

[@_Pawelski]

I dont understand a thing but still watching every video of yours. This game patching and mod loaders making sure needs a lot of skills. It always interested me but seems like it takes years to be that good

[@SealFormulaMaster]

I'd love to see a video on cheating devices like the XIM and MSI Meg, and more importantly, if there's anything anti-cheats could do to stop such devices.

[@jnonymous]

This was really informative!!! I really love all your videos explaining every thought process and step. It's really educational!! Thank you!

[@nathanbaggs]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@sdwone]

At some point, this problem will get so bad, that casual players who actually just want to have fun and an actual challenge, will simply stop playing these games altogether. Then that will just leave the hackers to go ahead and hack the game out of its existence! Sounds like a "wonderful" outcome! 😂😅😊

[@dvdvideo1234]

0:50 No need. Windows sandbox is an isolated environment with GPU acceleration

[@Isaacfess]

Unreal Tournament forever! UT2004 is my favorite but 99 is great too.

[@Death2u_]

Never seen it done this way before. It's always finding the player entity then using reclass to find everything from there.

[@Miiiasm]

This screams so much “GuidedHacking”

[@Death2u_]

@@Miiiasm KZbin, forums, discord. All go through the same type of tutorials. It's all I've seen.

[@nathanbaggs]

I just wanted to try something different

[@Nesh108]

Really good video, great job Nathan!

[@flophelia]

For anyone interested, the goty edition of unreal tournament is actually available to be bought thru steam, at least last i checked it was :)

[@Timic83tc]

Don't think so :(

[@flophelia]

@@Timic83tc awe, i just went and checked, and yeah it got removed :/ sorry about that

[@kaki9927]

Cool idea to find the player via the OpenGL calls, wouldn't have thought of that. Probably would be more difficult with a more modern game, because there would be way more textures to go through, but it's way more fun than doing everything the same way every time :D Keep up the good work!

[@nathanbaggs]

I don’t think this would work with modern apis, especially if they’re using bindless textures. You’d pretty much have to hunt for the world positions in memory

[@Big.Joe.Grizzly]

I'll never forget putting like 200 hours into gta5 on ps3 many years ago only to have some hacker one day join the server and take away all my xp and money like he gave me -1000000000 xp so I could never even level up again. From that day I learned how much I hate people who hack and ruin online video games. If you're too bad at a game so you have to hack to be good atleast just keep it offline

[@bilaalh99]

part of the reason the vm performance was so poor was that you may not have loaded the virtual box graphics drivers. The little turtle icon on the bottom bar means there is some issue with how it is emulating on the host. Usually installing the guest edition CD fixes the performance for me. You may also need to disable some virtualization based security settings or TPM. Not sure if those impact the sandboxing capabilities of the VM

[@nathanbaggs]

Quite possibly, I’ll admit to not spending too much time trying to get it to work in a VM

[@Caiu99]

Casual LTJ Bukem tune in the UT scenes lol

[@deanrumsby]

Wow, very cool! Thanks for the great videos! 🙌

[@Ch40zz]

Why not use Interlocked intrinsics to swap pointers? No need to suspend the threads

[@nathanbaggs]

Doesn’t that require all existing reads to be atomic? My concern is the game calling one of the functions whilst I’m writing it. To be honest they’re only patched once so there’s little chance of something bad happening, so could probably do it without suspending

[@Ch40zz]

@@nathanbaggs pointer sized reads on x86 will always be atomic anyways, you dont even need the Interlocked intrinsics. a single mov dword/qword ptr is always atomic

[@LQ_LQ_LQ]

Love your channel. Keep the fun stuff up

[@nathanbaggs]

Thanks, will do!

[@oo0speed0oo]

Amazing. Your content is always interesting.

[@-Kerstin]

Something I've never understood is why popular online competitive games never manage to prevent people from cheating. I feel like it has to be a lot easier for the game developer to prevent cheats from working than it is for a hacker to make the cheat. Every time the developer releases a minor patch that mixes things up then the hacker has to do tons of reverse engineering so the hacker should be at a great disadvantage. Either game developers aren't trying to prevent cheats or there has to be more layers to this that I don't understand.

[@user85937]

Because we have better things to do than annoying some hackers.

[@invisghosty]

It's an arms race and there are usually more cheaters than there are developers. Yeah they could come up with some complex system to rearrange some data but it's not like they can completely re-write their game each update so there are still going to be things that cheaters can use to determine where the correct data is.

[@dukemagus]

Making the game fun is a priority over making the game hack proof. Also, the vast majority of players want a fun game rather than a bulletproof bios level cheat prevention engine

[@jhax]

The developer has to patch 1000's of security holes. We just have to find one. Reflection systems like in Unreal Engine make it incredibly easy to write position independent code.

[@nathanbaggs]

I think if it were easy to prevent cheating then developers would do it. It’s a massive game of cat and mouse between developers and cheaters, but develops have to balance their time amongst other priorities (and ultimately making money) something cheaters probably aren’t that worried about

[@themissinfowar6629]

What about replacing all textures with semi translucent ones?

[@EyesOfByes]

Time to hack The Crew.

[@Name_cannot_be_blank]

sorry, but you cant hack it, you dont have the files to do it, they're in ubisoft, and were on thier servers, noone besides them have them, but you can search the youtuber accursed farms, he has a plan to stop companies from doing this forever

[@Timic83tc]

I care

[@MrTalisauros]

Excellent video! Gives a great glimpse into the world of cheating in multiplayer games. I guess most of us never knew how these were made!

[@nathanbaggs]

It’s a fun puzzle to solve, it’s a shame some people use it to ruin others fun

[@jnonymous]

@@nathanbaggs I think we should just have cheater servers in every game where cheaters can cheat against each other to see whose cheat is better. I think when people have a place to do what they think is fun, they'll tend to go do that instead of bothering others.

[@Scotty-vs4lf]

@@jnonymous like hvh in csgo

[@beaverbuoy3011]

Loving this!

[@sophiacristina]

That is not my area of programming, but, can games make the information of other players be withheld in the server and only if a player finds another player the server says "yes, you are indeed seeing the enemy in accord with my withheld information", and then, only then, give the client the information of the enemy's position? In that case, the client wouldn't ever know the information needed to find other players, only the server. I may be talking something impossible, or something that may be computationally intensive for the server or whatever, like i said, it is not my area, but i got curious about that.

[@sophiacristina]

@ChineseRatfaceCHANG Ty for answering! :)

[@Jutastre]

"Best FPS map of all time" Amen!

[@Alex-px9lk]

Awesome Video!

[@mme725]

You got this in the bag(gs) Sorry, couldn't resist. Fun video though, always neats to see you dive in and fiddle with internals. 👍

[@nathanbaggs]

I’ve heard worse (: glad you enjoyed

[@locastable]

The later unreal tournament games are the ones that spawned the "cheating industry". It's pretty interesting how it all started

[@StoneTheCr0w]

You weren't there lmao. The games didn't spawn anything, Zellius, Helios, and " .:..: " did

[@locastable]

@@StoneTheCr0w weren't they the first p2c's on the market? Didn't they started selling for that game?

[@qwert_au]

I'm really enjoying all of your reverse engineering videos. I hope you keep them up! :)

[@nathanbaggs]

I really enjoy doing them so I’ve got no plans to stop

[@hacking4good]

I really need your help with one game, sir 😂 but thanks about this vid 🙏

[@qsquared8833]

"And Windows does nothing from pulling the rug out from under yourself". No Operating system does.

[@chrisdickens4862]

Very cool. Thanks!

[@yan-amar]

Lol we can allocate memory inside any process and put what we want in it? I never wondered about that, but this is absolutely crazy. No wonder Windows is full of CIA backdoors and stuff.

[@invisghosty]

I never thought of dumping all of Ghidra's output into a file and searching for the offsets/sizes! I've had a hell of a time trying to reverse engineer some file formats in an old game that recently got a PC release (Baulder's Gate Dark Alliance) and this actually helps! The issue I've run into is that the app doesn't process the files, like, at all. It blindly loads the data into memory and then immediately starts using it. How would you go about reversing something like that?

[@nathanbaggs]

It’s hard to say without seeing the specifics. Off the top of my head I’d either dump the process memory when it’s running (presumably once all code has loaded) or I’d find the code doing the loading and set some breakpoints

[@spam1712]

HEADSHOT HEADSHOT HEADSHOT KILLING SPREEE God I didn't hear that In a while!!!

[@Timic83tc]

What's the name of the gog mirror site asking for a friend

[@lyth1um]

hmm in a vm u can use gpu passthrough? level1techs showcased it. 1 host alot of different vm's and even modern 3d load. vdi/virtual desktop infrastructure. maybe for next future projects :P

[@nathanbaggs]

I’m sure there are ways, I just wanted to get into the reverse engineering (and play a few games)

[@lyth1um]

@@nathanbaggs maybe for next old backup out of the interwebz. :-)

[@JohnAlanWoods]

Fantastic vid, loved that game.

[@test-rj2vl]

Would have been educational to see the reverse engineering part of code also. Btw can you take a game that doesn't support windowed mode and make video where you show how to make a windowed mod. I mean yea there are generic programs out there that can run any DirectX game windowed but what's the absolute minimum required reverse engineering and coding to make let's say Warcraft 2 run windowed mode?

[@nathanbaggs]

The problem with reverse engineering content is it’s quite boring, no one wants an hour long video of me looking confused (:

[@test-rj2vl]

@@nathanbaggs Depends. If it's game that I have played in childhood then I can watch you reverse engineering it. If it's game I've never played then yea. I would still watch it to learn reverse engineering in general because there are not too much video out there but probably skip around here and there to find parts that are educational to me. And to be honest hour long video would be very good result. If I were to figure out how to spawn more units to Warcraft 2 without crashing the game for example then the unedited video would be like 2 to 3 weeks.

[@ZennExile]

Ruining the enjoyment of others IS the game for 18% to 22% of all multiplayer gamers. And that's being generous. It's estimated that as much as 80% of multiplayer gamers are cheating in some way online at least part of the time. Just like your siblings couldn't be trusted to run the bank in monopoly because they would steal money when no one is looking.

[@nathanbaggs]

Yeah it’s pretty sad when you think about it

[@ZennExile]

@@nathanbaggs oh I don't know... Sometimes there's great opportunity hidden between the layers of sad peculiarity. What is game development if not the exploitation of motivation? Seems to me there's a powerful motivation underlying these behaviors worth billions. But I ain't one to gossip so you ain't heard that from me...

[@hodayfa000h]

Bro you're evil 💀 i never thought about stealing from the bank

[@rjmunt]

This game was the main use of our university network

[@MelroyvandenBerg]

still impressive and fun to do this reverse engineering

[@-Katastrophe]

Sometimes cheating is the only way to fix a save file.

[@flamendless]

Just a hopeful request, how about using Linux to hack instead of windows?

[@nathanbaggs]

I’ve done a video on that: kzbin.info/www/bejne/h53Gi5yIe8Z-nM0

[@flamendless]

@@nathanbaggs thank you!

[@kubuzeer6510]

A HACKER is an individual with technical computer skills but often refers to individuals who use their skills to breach cybersecurity defenses A CHEATER is a person who acts dishonestly in order to gain an advantage, in this case, in video games Please know the difference and correct the video title

[@YouTubeName-hw1uk]

Please keep in mind hackers and cheaters are different things

[@seventfour9247]

So much knowledge for free.

[@Fewnity]

Man that video was super cool! Now I want to try to do the same x)

[@nathanbaggs]

Do it!

[@Fewnity]

@@nathanbaggs I'm already creating a big game engine for game consoles I need more time for this haha 😓

[@catfan5618]

Really interesting!

[@nathanbaggs]

Thanks!

[@dvdvideo1234]

1:00 Windows sandbox 😉

[@sassywoocooo]

you're the coolest big bro with all the cool tricks

[@nathanbaggs]

Haha thanks!

[@JoakimKanon]

Facing Worlds! 😍 (Great job, btw)

[@nathanbaggs]

A classic! (And thanks)

[@SpitfyaUK]

I was so pleasantly surprised when you said you were going to try it on Unreal Tournament, such fond memories of this game. Awesome vid as always Nathan :)

[@jamesa3050]

Love the video as always. In your code listings, it has the symbol ≠. Is that just a simplification for the video or is it valid code?

[@thomaslindell5448]

It’s a font.

[@isduck6226]

In most IDEs you can enable ligatures for fonts that support them, and it will render != or >= etc as one connected character, although they're actually still seperate.

[@nathanbaggs]

It’s a ligature. I use a font called Fira Code that combines characters to their mathematical equivalent. I forgot it’s on when recording

[@RetroCVBS]

Purely for academic reasons.

[@nathanbaggs]

Of course, absolutely no other reason

[@RealDaveTheFreak]

Thanks!

[@nathanbaggs]

No, thank you!

[@ndowroccus4168]

Thumbnail facing worlds UT

[@beakersa]

You're doing such an amazing job with your videos - really enjoying your content.

[@f.d.9326]

I'm amazed as always

[@nathanbaggs]

Thanks!

[@Felixkeeg]

This was on my start page when I just scrolled by. I did a double take back because I was like "Is this Facing Worlds" from just a split second. Played that game to death

[@nathanbaggs]

I’m hoping it brings back some good nostalgia feelings for a lot of people

[@KrusherMike]

Hitscan ❤

[@waldmensch2010]

you are a genius

[@LightTheMars]

That pipe operator at 6:05 caught me off guard. The C++20 ranges lib sure is interesting. The committee never fails to find new ways to use operator overloading!

[@nathanbaggs]

I think ranges might be one of my favourite new features (and coroutines)

[@tribes2archivist]

CS2 HVH when?

[@2ndToLast501]

Good god seeing UT99 sent me back to my childhood, the good ol days

[@Controllerhead]

Amazing peak into GL and the dark arts. Love the content!

[@nathanbaggs]

I’d like to do some more graphics based content, I started off this channel to talk about my custom game engine. Things have changed a bit since then

[@gamesthatmatter9374]

how can u in a real game draw enemy players through the walls if the server dont send you their position . i mean why would they send it to you since you are not supposed to see it ... this technique shown here is flawed.

[@nathanbaggs]

How can the server know what the player can and cannot see?

[@gamesthatmatter9374]

​@@nathanbaggs the local pc shows to the player a room . when an enemy should be visible to the player (via computation) the server then transmits its position to the client so that is rendered. Lets make it simpler for you : each player position is known by the server but when only one player should see another (depends where it looks) the server transmit the other player location to the client so that it can be updated. I hope you can understand the issue.

[@queenlip6152]

Online games!

[@maz5232]

Try make fake kernel

[@Aes_Saru]

I still play this online lol

[@bustacell]

Oh dear :)

[@justinianbyzantium3765]

Disgusting how that guy makes tongue clicks all the time when speaking…. 🤮

[@St0RM33]

Well hackers need skill..cheaters are just trash people

[@6Diego1Diego9]

Ayct not make these videos longer

[@ProximoNovio]

You should make a cheat for a another old and $hitty game that nobody plays like fortnight. Will be waiting for new video. Thanks

[@keeganwut]

new video!!

[@nathanbaggs]

Indeed

[@fed402_1]

UT never dies!!!!!

[@Joshua-l3f4g]

I think that it's morally justified to cheat in games where the players like to say slurs over voice chat. As punishment.

[@HaraldQuake]

man I just won the UT99 EU 4v4 TDM Cup... I am more or less a noob and got carried by 3 veteran players but why do you teach people how to cheat... better do some helpful content -.-

[@A1rPun]

There are a multitude of cheats available already for UT99 because the game is already 25 years old. Not all people will use this information to cheat because it's interesting to see how cheats like this can work so we can make prevention tools.

[@nathanbaggs]

I just like solving puzzles and talking to people about it

[@rofalsaurasrex366]

this is amazing thank you

[@happinson]

and then there's games like cs that have build in wallhacks that you can activate with one wpm call

[@CripplingMemeAddict]

UT99 is such a good game, great video

[@nathanbaggs]

Thanks!

[@daaradrreea4426]

first a virus, now wallhacks? come on now

[@nathanbaggs]

What’s next?