Tim Stanley | What is British Conservatism Anyway? | NatCon UK

Tim Stanley's address at the London National Conservatism Conference on May 16, 2023.

[@evolassunglasses4673]

A nation is more than just an economic zone.

[@coltwooda793]

That is true but I am wondering what he means by “creative state interventions”.

[@SkageXL5]

@@coltwooda793 He's a Nat-C, you know what he wants.

[@coltwooda793]

@@SkageXL5 that is true.

[@evolassunglasses4673]

@@coltwooda793 understanding you can't let the free market run wild. If the nation state doesn't control international finance, international finance will control the nation state.

[@evolassunglasses4673]

@@coltwooda793 state intervention is needed now, we are post capitalism now oligarchy.

[@jeandevalette8860]

Tim Stanley will LIVE in my memory as one of the people who DENIED the Rotherham abuse was ever happening. Stanley was one of the people who made it so that 1400 girls would be abused into the LONG future.

[@Matthew-cw3gn]

I enjoyed this speech even though I don't agree with all of it. He believes largely the same stuff on preserving national identity, but (to be reductive) seems to have a more paternalistic approach to non-Western forces than a hostile, reactionary approach.

[@jamesblackwell2067]

i like the ideas shown at this conference, but almost every speaker has a different idea of what "national conservatism" is, if it isnt a coherent idea, then whats the point? and how could we implement national conservatism here when we barely have a nation left to conserve? its very hard to be nationalistic when your people have a plummeting birth rate, and the solution to that is to just replace us with even more foreigners, couple that with the fact that everyone that has any kind of power either doesnt care or actively approves of this replacement policy

[@PGHEngineer]

Do they ALL have a plummeting birthrate, or does only one part of the native demographic have a low birthrate?

[@jamesblackwell2067]

@@PGHEngineer the west overall has a plummeting birth rate, plus a lot of other places in the world. theres a few demographics in this country where that isnt true. i think the main reason for that here is that people cant afford to have kids, its been like this for years, its bizarre to me that no one cares, in this country, we are not even anywhere near replacement numbers of babies, let alone having enough to grow the population

[@SkageXL5]

Nat-C's love their own I guess.

[@QuercusRobur44]

I agree. Considering that traditional conservatives are already a miniscule minority within Parliament, it seems baffling that there re so many who have attended this conference who seem at odds with each other. I'm not even a conservative and would consider myself a classical liberal, but frankly the decades long sustained attack upon our history, values and culture has forced me to side with those most likely to resist the tide of deconstruction.

[@SkageXL5]

@@QuercusRobur44 "Classical Liberal" like Mill and Friedman, or "Classical Liberal" like Rubin and Benjamin?

[@karlheven8328]

I agree with 99% of what he said. But I think there have to be limits to immigration from non-european countries.

[@bwbs98]

Agreed. You can't be a Christian nation if you import non-Christians (especially those who have no recent history of Christianity in their nation).

[@TheReubstar]

What a shame his evocation of the Bibilical need to care for all, Somalia or otherwise, got no applause! He actually was interesting but didn't get the plaudits it deserved.

[@bryanhaycock672]

And…why must conservatism always be portrayed as wholly devoid of charity? No political tradition can be separated from the character of its actors.

[@xanadu8468]

Stanley is very erudite

[@evolassunglasses4673]

He understands the drive for GDP at all costs has totally failed to conserve ANYTHING from 1948.

[@SkageXL5]

@@evolassunglasses4673 Hush up, Nat-C.

[@PiersPloughman]

@@SkageXL5 you do know Nat-C got real old real quick, don’t you? But it’s people like you who have sprayed it about to the point it’s actually worthless now. And if you paid any attention to Tim Stanley, you would realise that using it in his context makes you look like the biggest idiot on the internet by quite a margin.

[@hauskalainen]

Jason Stanley is the one to listen to

[@SkageXL5]

@@hauskalainen nat-c collaborator

[@unoriginal_username1]

No such thing as a nation or people just a set of economic zones. We don’t have a shared history, culture, religion, traditions, a majority ethnic population. No all that matters to the average Tory Mp *dan Hannon* is growing the economy.

[@hauskalainen]

A conservative government that has one rule for itself and another rule for everyone else. The former attorney general, the government's top legal officer btw, tried to get the government to pay her speeding fine or arrange a special course in speed awareness for her alone so that she would not be seen to be there by others.

[@royjacobs1204]

ANYONE can do so if they are willing to pay. I did.

[@tomthumb2361]

'Immigrants' were not necessarily welcomed in the middle ages. In a highly unpopular move, K John imported people from Tourraine as sheriffs to raise money for his wars and the restoration of the Angevin empire in France, for instance. The UK has always been something of a milch cow. And it's usually the people who actually work who have had to cough up. I only know one person who watched the coronation. In common with plenty of other people, even ones who support the monarchy as an institution, I don't feel any connection with Mr Windsor and ignore any news or other media items about him and his family. His mother's death left me quite unmoved. My daughter gave back-word on a place at St Andrews when she heard William Windsor would be there. None of us could imagine her being stuck in the same small town as him for 3 years.

[@juliamacdonald294]

Penny Mordant! God forbid.

[@richarddelanet]

c.12th England, yes, a "cosmopolitan empire..." Here is someone who has recognised an open-minded but also sensible reading of history!? 6:30mins - 7:14mins. But then, alas, muddle: or he says "national" but says (globalist) neo-liberal... and it is does care for those that pay the price and they are not grown-up about it.

[@krayon_eater]

So basically, liberalism but slightly slower.

[@liammccann8763]

No such thing as a liberal Catholic. Permit me to recommend Mirari Vos, written in 1832.

[@bield7]

More evidence that this movement doesn’t have a.p clue what it stands for, or what it’s aims are.

[@Matthew-cw3gn]

What do you mean?

[@gregorytaylor9104]

Tim Stanley doesn't have a clue what it stands for. He will be quickly forgotten.

[@myt110]

Worst speech of the conference I’ve seen so far.

[@gregorytaylor9104]

I started reading his book on tradition a while ago. I stopped when he started spewing platitudes about Islam. He confuses soft headedness with soft heartedness.

[@christianround2774]

I thought it was by far the best. Way better than "woke things annoy me" rinse and repeat tripe from the rest of them.

[@jonnysongs]

Tim lives a good life in his ivory tower. I am envious that he can be so ignorant of the UK's problems.

[@Globaldave1970]

I think thats it. Life is completely different depending where you live. No National anything anymore.

[@jeandevalette8860]

Is this the best we've GOT? He loves MAPS. Ask anyone around Soho

[@barriewood9336]

A very litigious claim? Evidence? Or just prejudice and hearsay? Put up or shut up!

[@danarose6314]

A disaster?

[@realRainz]

No, we won't include socialism, Socialism is not intellectualism, Tim.

[@themccarthyplan2020]

He doesn't understand what a nation is. England has been on the decline since the reformation 🕊️❤️🙏☘️

[@liammccann8763]

The soul is to the body what the Church is to the state.

[@saltburner2]

Really? It has been in decline since WW1, but our greatest days were surely in the 18th and 19th centuries.

[@ep7112]

Terrible

[@davidevans6514]

Yet another speaker who advocates for government action to rein in nasty capitalism without ever considering the downsides of such action.