Stanier's LMS Black 5 and the Last Days of Steam | Curator with a Camera

[@NatRailwayMuseum]

We’re back! What do you want to see next?

[@Thebigfour1923]

Boxhill please 🥺

[@Midlandpullmanp]

Could you try other a4s like sir Nigel Greasly and bittern?.

[@dutydruidfilms11]

737!

[@DavidScholz-bu1ix]

AEROLITE!!!!!!!!!

[@ThatScottishAtlantic57]

Lode Star

[@moosifer3321]

My Dad was a Fireman on the LMS during WWII and always said the Black 5s were his favourite Locos. Crazy father joined the Royal Marines at War`s end, serving for 30plus yrs. He rarely spoke of his experiences apart from Bacon and Eggs cooked on his Coal Shovel (our Roast Chestnuts were prepared similarly!).

[@peterstowell2976]

G’day Anthony from Oz. My favourite Black Five is (4)4806 because it was built in my home town of Derby in 1944 when my Father was employed in the Loco Drawing Office and I was a little kid. When it was based at Llangollen Railway I spent some of my volunteer time assisting with the maintenance work also a bit of firing along the LR Line. As you know I now reside in Oz and spend five days a week volunteering on the Puffing Billy Railway near Melbourne. When visiting the UK I also visit the TR and NYMR; as you know 4806 is now based at Grosmont where on a couple of recent visits enjoyed a Cab Ride. I thoroughly enjoy your excellent video episodes, well done! Cheers, Puf’n-Pete

[@anthonycoulls7301]

Cheers Peter, always good to hear from you

[@stevef9530]

Great job of showing off the beautiful Black 5, I managed to get to see several one afternoon at Bletchley in 1967, along with the 8fs and so on. They were the heart and soul of British railways to the end. I’m building one in 4mm/foot!

[@keab42]

So glad this series is back.

[@kenharris5390]

This a great example of the designer getting it just right. I'm glad you explained the absence of the brick arch, the earlier clip had me scratching my head. Great to see you back on the channel, I look forward to a lot more.

[@tonywright8294]

Built a 2 1/2 gauge live steam model . Only took 7 years ! A very handsome engine .

[@Harry_55]

Love the Black 5s

[@Mike-kc8rl]

I guess the class 47 is the diesel equivalent of the black five? I remember getting a Hornby black five for Christmas in 1973 and had it for many years! That was a real work horse too!

[@ceanothus_bluemoon]

Love the Black Fives, and the detailed tour!

[@DavidScholz-bu1ix]

DITTO!!!!!!!!!

[@jerrysgardentractorsengine2243]

As an American, this series is honestly so fun to watch. Being able to see the differences between our large, superpower designs such as our Lima Berkshires and the Big Boy to the more simplistic/austerity designs you folks have in England never fails to amaze

[@TrevorMcGregger]

You Americans really did go overkill with those giant black steam trains chuffing thousands of miles while spewing out big black smoke I shall say

[@toasterhavingabath6980]

@@TrevorMcGregger well they do have to go over a country Basically the size of europe-

[@MaxwellTheTrainFan]

We have Scotsman And y’all have bigboy We each have our famous large steam engine … We have mallard And y’all over there have .. whatever is the fastest steamer you have Tho there is one thing none of us have Them Japan bullet trains . They top both our trains in speed The uk has the history with our famous engines like first to go 100mph Scotsman and turo with fastest being mallard The USA having the big and powerful engines like the bigboy and challenger engines . Or locomotives as y’all call it over there Tho Japan … WOW . they got them Shinkansen engines . They got the speed UK - has history USA - has strength JAPAN - has speed Yeah … that’s it

[@jerrysgardentractorsengine2243]

@@MaxwellTheTrainFan to answer your question as to what our fastest steamer was, that honor would have to go to the Pennsylvania Railroad with their S1 class locomotive, 6100: a 6-4-4-6 duplex

[@MaxwellTheTrainFan]

@@jerrysgardentractorsengine2243 Welp … that must tower over our “LONDON NORTH EASTERN RAILWAY A4 PACIFIC STEAM ENGINE DESIGNED BY THE SIR NIGEL GRESLEY AT DONCASTER WORKS” yes that’s the whole title of them 🤣 Beefy title tho we still hold that record high in steam with it . Tho I think we damaged her on said trip … so a win with a loose I guess for the uk . Yeah we have the fastest steam engine … but at the cost of breaking the damm thing

[@1825Steam-vl9ob]

My granddaughter was in the cab last week, nice loco! she visits Locomotion at least once a week

[@tbrooke3016]

If definitely trim these down to shorts to get people in the door as well! I love the long form video and it deserves more views!

[@lesleyhirst3422]

Oh wow... thank you -my favourite locos of all time . (45212 and me go back a long way....) I used to walk from home down to Edge Hill with my younger brother; the guys were quite happy to talk to us as long as we stood in the safe public places, and they'd explain what we were looking at. They were a bit surprised to see a girl there, (this was around 1957) but although I was the one who was dragged there, I was the one who ended up getting hooked. We saw Black 5s, 8fs, 9fs, lots more; my ambition now is to take my grandkids on the Jacobite - if they get it running again this year - they don't understand my fanaticism, but they're happy to humour Grandma. Thanks for the explanation of the cut off, BTW, I've never understood it before.

[@69waveydavey]

Hi from Lostock Hall (10D), Black fives matter.

[@garryferrington811]

Thanks for a new episode. I've been fascinated by the design of British engines since I was young many decades ago. You can see a sort of "family resemblance" between them, the blower Bentley, and the Spitfire.

[@JohnBilsbury]

Thanks for posting that, Anthony. Black 5s were the most numerous loco around Stockport when I was a child, so they've always been a firm favourite.

[@damianlittle3367]

Very nice tour. My father fired 5's, 8's and Garrett's on the LMS. He sure had some interesting stories.

[@Roy-gi5ul]

Always fully explained for the layman, but also sufficiently technical for more enlightened types. Well done!

[@anthonycoulls7301]

Thanks for that, I do try!

[@alanhindmarch4483]

Thanks Anthony for another Great Video.

[@anthonycoulls7301]

You're welcome Alan, we always have a lot of fun doing these

[@roygardiner2229]

Terrific! I shall have to watch it again. I really liked your use of a car's mechanisms as metaphors. Looking at the film footage of both manufacturing, operating and maintaining the steam engines made me wonder if such skills would be easily recreated in modern Blighty. I think perhaps not.

[@leightonolsson4846]

I loved how there were so many they could mess about with them, like trying out Caprotti valve gear and outside Stephenson valve gear.

[@forrestrobin2712]

Love a Black Five!

[@bassman411]

Great to see this series back!!

[@midshipsjsr]

Thanks for the video. I remember seeing 5000 at the Severn Valley Railway as a child.

[@stephendavies6949]

Yes, an excellent series, well presented. Why not review a classic example of each of the Big 4's plus a couple of BR Standard locos in your collection, but avoiding the likes of FS, Green Arrow, Mallard, Duchess etc?

[@sglenny001]

He's done the Mallard before

[@unclezebulon]

Great to see you back! It’s an impressive loco, and it was very interesting to hear you explain the controls and to get an unobstructed view of the interior of the firebox.

[@williamkennedy5492]

An amazing video , sometimes i park in the asda carpark Crewe and stop and think of what Crewe Works achieved, this black 5 is but one example. Crewe works must have been an enormous factory !

[@EMEME27655]

The black five is my favourite engine❤

[@dereklund2321]

The Black 5s were a common sight when train spotting at Manchester Victoria in the late 1950s / early 1960s. For some reason never understood they were known as "Mickeys".

[@joelwatkins]

So glad there's a healthy number of Black 5s in preservation. The oldest/newest preserved member 5025 is on my local railway, the Strathspey Steam Railway, and looks great in it's original LMS livery.

[@daystatesniper01]

Another cracking video in this series , thank you .

[@BorderTerrier-yk2hw]

As a seventy five year old who used to explore the North East LNER system in the 50s, I have goosebumps, watching the developments taking place on our other great railway systems.

[@TheLazyFusspot_3428]

As if we didn't know already, Henry from The Railway Series gets rebuilt from a technical failure and enigma to this remarkable, versatile and unstoppable utilitarian beast.

[@flickcentergaming680]

I love Henry.

[@bh.boilers]

Great videos, being here in Australia, it is excellent to have the curator with a camera to allow me a detailed look at your locomotives. Ray.

[@NatRailwayMuseum]

Glad you enjoy them! Thanks for watching, we've got an exciting year of videos ahead

[@HowardLeVert]

Interesting and informative video, especially as it named components within the firebox itself. Thank you.

[@thesudricmerman3318]

i do love the black 5 my local nymr has two 45428 and 44806

[@DavidScholz-bu1ix]

Speaking of 448O6 scientifically, that L M S class 5MT black five steam-driven 4-6-O type of steam-driven railway tender locomotive certainly was basically featured in my own official DVD titled the Best of World Steam alongside 454O7 alongside 45231 over in the Great Britain section narrated by Peter Fairhead himself respectfully.

[@ragarse3]

Great workhorse simply and beautifully explained, thanks

[@silasfatchett7380]

I believe that the LMS asked the Great Western for permission to build Halls but were turned down, and the Black Five was the result.

[@stevekelly5166]

Nice to see you back. The map at 0m47s, well so many changes. PAD/RDG/BRI missing? Bath to Templecombe still there. Fun stuff after 43 years of railway work, and now back to the Black 5 and your enthusiastic knowledge. Collett I once worked in Room 37 of Collett House in Bristol during the good times. The George Jackson Churchwood naming has to be the strangest nameplate on a class 47. (47079) in the 70's when I was a mere trainspotter. 225 psi. Atmosphere or Bar? About 15.5 Bar/15.3Atm A little bit of pressure there.

[@levelcrossing150]

Great looking engines, I loved the later Caprotti versions.

[@johnjephcote7636]

I remember reading about Stanier replacing the brick arch overnight in the USA on Coronation with water in the boiler and the firebox still very warm.

[@johnjephcote7636]

After all my house moves across the country since the 1960s, I still have my Cl.5 chimney in the garden. I bought it from Cohens on the old Loddington branch near Wellingborough for £3.10.0 (£3.50). The RCTS Railway Observer could only give the numbers of a few Cl.5s that were delivered at that time, so I don't know its exact number.

[@borderlands6606]

When the former Great Central route fell under Midland auspices in 1958, there was considerable resistance to the Black 5, with drivers preferring the similar 4-6-0 B1. How much of this was company loyalty and familiarity, and what was practical advantage is hard to say.

[@mateusz_paulus]

Thank you for another great video!

[@Backwardlooking]

Watched those in the 1960’s around Lancaster and Yorkshire.

[@DarikFromBaku1989]

Very educative video, as usual from the NRM. Thank you very much! I had an enormous intellectual and aesthetic pleasure. Please, continue with this important work. If possible, please, observe British locomotives which were designed/built for use on foreign railways.

[@richardswiderski4985]

Great insight into a lovely engine Black 5's are lovely engines. Could you do a look into the DP1 please.

[@SaturnCanuck]

That was great. I always learn something on these videos. Looking forward to the next one.

[@michaelmiller641]

I remember seeing them lined up at Marylebone station! And being chased by one near harrow on the hill station, me in an A 60 metropolitan train!

[@arthurrytis6010]

That driver we first saw looks very much like a Marylebone driver in the early 60 s we used to call him countdown.

[@joshslater2426]

Hopefully the 5000 cab demonstrations will set a trend so that we’ll be able to stand in the cabs of other locomotives in the National Collection. At Shildon alone there’s Hardwicke, NER M1 No. 1621, the Super D and Winston Churchill. I’d love to stand in their cabs.

[@Retirement_Life]

Excellent video 👏👏👏

[@TheHoveHeretic]

I sometimes wonder how many /subclass variants the Black 5s would have occupied, had they been LNER locos? Of course, the "Red5's" were Stanier's Jubilee class. If the Black 5s were equated with the GW "Hall" class, with what (if any) Swindon design would the "Jubes" draw comparison?

[@PaulPower4]

Apparently (according to the Handbook of Classic British Steam Locomotives) a combination of the chassis of the LMS's existing Patriot class and parts of the Black 5. Which initially caused problems, as the 3-cylinder layout that the Jubilee inherited from the Patriot didn't combine well with the Swindon-influenced infrastructure up top. It took increasing the number of superheater elements to fix it.

[@Soupdragon1964]

Excellent, thanks very much.

[@beckyduncan4861]

Did you know that this is Henry in real life from Thomas & Friends?

[@neiloflongbeck5705]

Only after being sent to Crewe after his accident with The Flying Kipper.

[@DavidScholz-bu1ix]

​@@neiloflongbeck5705INDEED!!!

[@DavidScholz-bu1ix]

​@@neiloflongbeck5705MY OWN OFFICIALLY OFFICIAL COMPLETELY THOUGHTFULLY THOUGHTFUL THOUGHTS EXACTLY!!!!!

[@cjstrader8171]

Who doesn't?

[@MichaelHabib-zk5qf]

Yeah it’s Henry #3

[@shartbimpson]

can anyone tell me the origin of the b&w mainline footplate footage? I had it on a VHS when I was a kid, would love to see it again in full

[@richardswiderski4985]

Black 5 one of my favourite engines...What next?? Let me think..

[@robgingervikingjohnson7031]

Will 5000 ever steam again ? It lovely to see static locos but they are living breathing fire needs the rails to run

[@Dellboy56]

The Black 5 is by far my favourite loco. I have ten ‘oo gauge models running on my railway layout.

[@saddler501]

After retirement in 1967. What was 5000’s journey. Was it saved from Barry or did it go straight into the national collection?

[@chrisoddy8744]

At a guess, straight into the NC as it's the "original" member of the class

[@briangriffiths1285]

As trainspotters in the 1950s we were not impressed by the Black Fives, they were on the front of freight and medium distance passenger trains around Preston and all too common. On Saturdays in the peak holiday season they would drag heavy passenger trains to Blackpool and the 6 tracks at Kirkham might well have 3 Black Fives racing each other as one headed to Blackpool North, one to Central via the excursion line, a short cut and one via Lytham. With the mill towns closing down for their Wakes Weeks holidays, trains would leave Blackburn or Oldham etc at 10 minute intervals to carry 700 or more people at a time. As soon as the trains disgorged their passengers they would go back non stop for another load. Come mid day the dozens of sidings in Blackpool would be full of carriages and the engines on shed getting more coal and water ready to do late afternoon trips back to the Mill Towns that had finished their holidays. And of course famously there was the Glasgow Fair when the trains would bring the Scots down to Blackpool for their week of holidays. The Glasgow Police would be at the barriers in Blackpool with their dogs sending back known trouble makers! It is hard for folks to imagine how important the railway was to Blackpool, in fact it was the railway that made Blackpool what it was. In 1842 the railway was was close as Poulton a 4 mile walk into Blackpool and there was nothing but sand dunes and by 1862 the town had grown and the stations kept being expanded until they reached their peak in 1891 or thereabouts. In 1911 Blackpool Central Station was the busiest in the world.

[@derekgibson7037]

Most enjoyable.

[@davidellis1355]

Have you ever done Evening Star ?

[@NatRailwayMuseum]

No, but we want to!

[@summer_stanier]

SINCE WHEN DID YOU GUYS GET A BLACK 5 IN THE COLLECTION, welp. ik where i need to go again eventually

[@NatRailwayMuseum]

Just make sure you go to Shildon and not York. :) 5000 has been a much-admired exhibit at Locomotion in Shildon for more than 10 years.

[@summer_stanier]

@@NatRailwayMuseum that'll be why i dont recall seeing her, as ive only ever been to york

[@jacksnorth4074]

One question I have is, is this the hall we are seeing in this video a public one? On my most recent trip to the museum I was excited to see the black 5, only for just the great hall and the North shed to be open, (Not a criticism or that it lessened our enjoyment for one minute) just wondering if we missed something? 😅

[@NatRailwayMuseum]

This episode was filmed at Locomotion in Shildon, well worth a visit, especially with New Hall opening next month

[@scopex2749]

I saw this in steam many times at the SVR I hope shes not going to be hidden away in a museum - steam locos WERE SAVED to BE STEAMED!

[@CaledonianEngine]

Where exactly was this area? When I was there last week, I only saw Scotsman and the entrance area with Mallard, Duchess of Hamilton, Copperknob, Sterling Single No1 and others

[@NatRailwayMuseum]

This was filmed at Locomotion in Shildon, see the video description for details

[@CaledonianEngine]

@@NatRailwayMuseum Thank you

[@stewartellinson8846]

if people want to learn to fire a steam locomotive, they can watch this LMS training film "little and often" - some clips were used in this video, but it gives a nice insight into what the LMS expected of it's firemen. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fGWtY6qZebVmj6M

[@amansgrangard6208]

William stanier : your spécial mixed-trafic (he say to the black 5) you can pull coaches and freight trucks kind easy.

[@saulcanton-newton8613]

Will black 5 number 5000 ever go back to the Severn Valley Railway in Shropshire and Worcestershire in England

[@brucelamberton8819]

If you could only have one class of steam locomotive, it would be the Black 5.

[@cannadineboxill-harris2983]

I needed to know why they couldn’t dig a tunnel and do an extension for most of the mainline Trains so that they could extend the unused abandoned underground train stations. Why couldn’t they use the part D78 Stock train doors on the sides and also restructure the front face of the A60 and A62 stock which will include the class 507, class 508, class 313, class 314 and class 315 remix and make them all together and also redesign all of them into an overhead wire line trains and also make most of them into Five carriages per units and also having three Disabled Toilets on those Five cars per units A60 and A62 stock trains and also convert the A60 and A62 stock trains into a Gardner 6LXC, Cummins M11, Volvo B10M, Gardner 6LXB, Scania N112, Gardner LG1200 and Gardner 8LXB Diesel Engines and also put the Loud 7-Speed Voith Gearboxes even Loud 10-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Gearboxes in the A60 and A62 stock, class 507, class 508, class 313, class 314, and class 315 and also modernise the A60 and A62 stock and make it into 11 carriages per unit so it could have fewer doors, more tables, computers and mobile phone chargers? A Stock Train and 8 Disabled Toilets on those A stock trains. why couldn’t we refurbish and modernise the waterloo and city line Triple-Track train tunnel and make it even much more Larger and extend it to the bank station, making it into a Triple-Track Railway Line so those Five countries such as Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden to convert the waterloo and city line Triple-Track Railway tunnel into a High-Speed Railway lines? The Third Euro tunnel Triple-Track Railway line to make it 11 times better for passengers so they could go from A to B. Then put the modernised 11 carriages per unit A Stock and put them on a bigger modernised Waterloo and city line Triple-Track train tunnel so it could go to bank station to those Five countries such as Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden. The modernised refurbished 11 carriages per unit A stock could be a High Speed The Third Triple-Track Euro Tunnel Train So it is promising and 47 times a lot more possible to do this kind of project if that will be OK for London Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden. oh by the way, could they also tunnel the Triple-Track Railway Line so it will stop from Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire and Essex so that the Passengers will go to Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland and Sweden and also extend the Triple-Track Railway Line from the Bank to Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire and Essex Stations so that more people from there could go to Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden more Easily. Why couldn't they extend the Piccadilly Line and also build brand-new underground train stations so it could go even further right up to Clapton, Wood Street can they also make another brand new underground train station in Chingford and could they extend the Piccadilly Line and the DLR right up to Chingford? All of the classes 150, 155, 154, 117, 114, 105, and 106, will be replaced by all of the Gardner 6LXC, Cummins M11, Volvo B10M, Gardner 6LXB, Scania N112, Gardner LG1200 and Gardner 8LXB Diesel Five carriages three disabled toilets are air conditioning trains including Highams Park for extended roots which is the Piccadilly line and the DLR trains. Could you also convert all of the 1973 stock trains into an air-conditioned maximum speed 78 km/hours (48 MPH) re-refurbished and make it into a 8 cars per unit if that will be alright, and also extend all of the Piccadilly train stations to make more space for all of the extended 8 car per unit 1973 stock air condition trains and can you also build another Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive Companies and can they order Every 87 Octagon and Every 48 Hexagon shape LNER diagram unique small no.13 and unique small no.11 Boilers from those Countries such as Greece, Italy, Poland, and Sweden, can they make Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive speeds by up to 147MPH so you can try and test it on the Original Mainline so it will be much more safer for the Passengers to enjoy the 147MPH speed Limit only for HS2 and Channel Tunnel mainline services, if they needed 16 Carriages Per units, can they use those class 55’s, class 44’s, class 40’s and class 43HST Diesel Locomotive’s right at the Back of those 18 Carriages Per Units so they can take over at the Back to let those Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive’s have a rest for those interesting Journeys Please!!!!, oh can you make all of those 18 Tonne Boxes of Coal for all of those 147MPH Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive’s so the Companies will Understand us PASSENGER’S!!!! So please make sure that the Builders can do as they are told!!!!!! And PLEASE do something about these very very important Professional ideas Please? Prime Minister of England, Prime Minister of Australia, Prime Minister of Sweden, Prime Minister of Germany, Prime Minister of Italy, Prime Minister of Poland and that Includes the Mayor of London.

[@theotherside8258]

so how many are left?

[@calummackenzie1050]

It’s George Jackson Churchward not Churchwood😮😮

[@cricciethcastle5077]

English people tend not to pronounce things as they are spelled. He is saying "Churchwud", with the emphasis on the 1st syllable, and then gliding away into the 2nd syllable. A person from the US might well pronounce the port of Harwich as "Ha - Witch", two separate syllables, both equally weighted. An English person would always say "Harritch", with the stress on the 1st syllable, and then gliding off the 2nd. Leominster is not Leo-Minster, but Lemster. The stately home of Althorp should be pronounced "Alltrup", because that is its Anglo-Saxon name, before the spelling got mangled by some "learned" type. Generally, how a local pronounces the name of their town or village is correct, and the written form is not.

[@neiloflongbeck5705]

Withdrawn from Lostock Hall in 1967 and presented to the National Collection.

[@lioncurlew]

What a Warehouse! Stephenson’s “Rocket” in the background.

[@caroleast9636]

Well it is our National Museum ✔️🚂🇬🇧

[@Farmer5567]

The Black 5 looks just like Henry from Thomas and friends

[@voidjavelin23]

because henry IS infact a stanier black 5

[@harrisonnightingale6600]

Every time you said Stanier I keep hearing scania, though that's probably because I have been watching videos on scania but dam they almost sound the same.

[@tiger-ym7ln]

Once an engine attached to a train Was afraid of drops of rain

[@Farmer5567]

Is the island of sodor real ?

[@NicholBehrens]

I want to see cr 812 z

[@thetrainman2013]

Old metro car from the Tyne and Wear metro

[@donsharpe5786]

It is 15.5 bar.

[@AinscoughProductions]

Theres only one thing better than a Black 5... its 2 Black 5's

[@Micheal_Jackson_Official]

No way it’s Henry lolz

[@nikerailfanningttm9046]

We’re missing a few fish vans I see.

[@waverleyjournalise5757]

Whilst this wheel arragement is always going to appear unbalanced, no better looking 4-6-0 was made. Black 5s are probably the epitome of form follows function.

[@lukemendel8197]

And Stanier somehow rebuilt a knockoff Gresley into a Black 5. As a Favour. For Sir Topham Hatt.

[@TheLazyFusspot_3428]

Now Henry is as unstoppable as ever and bursting forth like the champion he really is.

[@Ballora-h8z]

Henry's thomas and friends

[@massrootsnwr7067]

Hope it does not rain

[@MarnerOrville-l6s]

Ratke Overpass

[@myriaddsystems]

Incidentally, 4-6-0 is pronounced four-six-ought

[@drexcitement9579]

I hope the NRM does a video on the GWR halls Hey what if when they show it they show the hogwarts express ;)

[@gainsbourg66]

This is re-writing history. The term 'Black 5' was almost never used until well after steam was removed from BR. If you check the literature, magazines and photographs pre 1968, you will find absolutely no mention of the term, anywhere. The loco was referred to as a Stanier Class Five, or simply a 'Class 5'. I challenge the curator, or anyone at the museum to find the term 'Black 5' used in pre-1968 literature, or a single photo caption.

[@wetcardie66]

the nickname for these engines locally (rose grove) was "mickey" as far as i remember...........

[@garyfox1898]

We used to call them Blackies

[@AndrewMcLean-gu6wq]

Challenge accepted! There are lots of references to "Black Fives" pre 1968. The Times obituary for Sir William Stanier published on 28 September 1965 is but one example. Here is an excerpt: "A prolific designer, Stanier produced a memorable mixed traffic engine...known familiarly as "Black Staniers" or "Black Fives"..."

[@robertcross1441]

I was a train spotter late 50s and early 60 we always called them black 5s.

[@bob-sb2zu]

Navvies engines !

[@mercomania]

The Black 5 was almost as good as the BR38 (P8). Almost but not as good.

[@robrice7246]

There's just one real problem: They whistle way too much.

[@modemdog3649]

Aw hell nah they Americanized the LMS 💀

[@kleedhamhobby]

"Went to make it up" - yes. "Went up to make it" - no.

[@anthonycoulls7301]

Forgive my occasional poor spoken language, I don't always get it right, I am human after all