Nature & the Human Body-Recapping Wonder 2024

[@CormacODuffy]

Excellent as always. What a blessing the Internet CAN be! Thank you!

[@blueanina1975]

what a clarifying, intelligent discussion. thank you for this episode! 🙏🙏🙏

[@lisa-oo2cx]

Great work both of you! I am proud to be Christian and Catholic.

[@grace5837]

Thanks Bishop following here in Ireland 🇮🇪 Carmelite monastery

[@BrianBenson-rc9mu]

Check out Bishop sanborn he is amazing!

[@shareenchoudhury-leighton1748]

💙 Thank you for being our Catholic hero! God bless you, from UK 💙

[@gidongosezi6447]

thanks Bishop, the Catholic rock star, watching from uganda

[@worthwhilediscussion]

He's a Roman Catholic Bishop, not a "Catholic rock star," as you say.

[@Martin-qm2lg]

What a fascinating discussion worth listening to and learning from several times. God bless you for all your work and planning to make this happen. Very happy to support your most excellent work and encourage others to do so, such a refreshing break from our sometimes piosonous and sick culture.

[@ChristoJP]

Amen, thank you Bishop!

[@catherinemuigai9828]

Bishop Barron is always very enlightening I enjoy his explanation of Christianity and more so what Catholicism is all about. I feel more and more educated about my Catholic faith. May God bless him mightily as he continues to win more souls to Jesus Christ.

[@naturetalk6828]

Hi from Chateauguay QC Canada 🇨🇦 😊

[@wexomixo]

I attended this conference and it was excellent. I would humbly like to make two observations: First, that as the world became more secular, social science started filling some of the roles traditionally provided by religion for many people, such as moral guidance. Second, that there was a movement to diminish any inherent biological aspects of identity by social scientists, in order to support the freedom of individuals to choose their own identities or not have inherent identities imposed on them. Viewing race and gender as social constructs was driven less by scientific evidence than by moral concerns. I think many of our current problems are downstream from that distorted view of human nature.

[@xXEGPXx]

Race and gender are not viewed as social constructs, they are social constructs. All that separates me from a black person is melanin content in the skin, I would not suggest that people with different colored eyes than me belong in a distinct race, so why would skin color be any different? Are albino people a different race? Are two different colored cats a different race?

[@ceciliadreger6319]

​@xXEGPXx I know that race and health frequently invoke racism, prejudice, and discrimination as possible reasons for higher levels of mobility and mortality. I believe treating others with respect and dignity helps build unity and strength. The holy gospel invites us to use our ability to be clever and witty which gives us eternal value.

[@wexomixo]

@@xXEGPXx As far as visual phenotypic traits go, what separates you would be skin color, hair texture/color and skeletal differences. But visual traits aren't really important. You can "sort" humans into different population groups by patterns of allele frequencies, or in other words, patterns of differences. So no, you wouldn't sort people into different groups just because of skin color - that is just one of many different traits that cluster together.

[@xXEGPXx]

@@wexomixo So what is your end goal here exactly? There is exactly one group of people obsessed with the minor differences between people, and its racists

[@wexomixo]

@@xXEGPXx My goal was to make the point that the argument for social constructivism is usually made by moral statements and not scientific evidence, which you sorta proved by making a moral statement. We are very obviously facing a number of social problems related to race and gender. We are being foolish if we don't think about the intellectual history of the modern ideas that possibly led to these problems.

[@asamtaviajando8388]

What an intro. Lovely.

[@user-gv6xn9cs3b]

I seems to me that Decarte puts all his faith into the human capacity to think and feel, to reason and to will. Like Hamlet who said what a piece of work is Man- in form he is like an angel, but in apprehension he is like a God! It is a heady thing, and not feeble, as a ghost in a machine implies.

[@asamtaviajando8388]

It is much harder to conceptualize the union of body and soul when you’ve realized the spiritual truth of our existence. This is signified too by the way culture has moved us toward thinking something metaphysical of you is more you than your body. On the other hand, which I also experienced, is the purely materialistic view. That, in my era, was the smartest point of view, it’s the scientific view. This is a very illuminating conversation. These points of view were clear to me, but now I see how hard it is to unite body and soul and I also see this is what Christ signifies. It’s the Christian mystery. The hypostatic union.

[@BMoore335]

Right, these are Christi logical questions and therefore the deepest mystery inviting the strongest faith, unfortunately polemics doesn’t get us there.

[@asamtaviajando8388]

@@BMoore335 I’m not seeing polemics. What do you mean?

[@carissavisscher9648]

Soooooo good!!! ❤❤❤❤

[@johnmartin4650]

I always enjoy the Monday Word on Fire episode……(intro getting too fancy!) thank you both

[@koolertrek]

Don’t overthink it. God made man and women. There is one God.

[@xXEGPXx]

"Please do not think, thinking is bad"

[@mariefrench44]

We cannot make our body into a separate entity from our soul. A house divided does not stand.

[@MartinMartin-mu2qj]

pride kills all traces of Faith, of Goodness believing themselves to be better than others because they were the people of God the Creator, thanks to the success in the test of the sacrifice of the patriarch Abraham, distorted them when the Son of the Father of the Covenant Himself appeared before them, and they, blinded by pride, did not even realize it. They did not recognize it nor did they want to recognize it Neither His Word nor all His miracles among the people of Israel were enough for them. For those of us who suffer from pride: let us be careful of believing ourselves to be children of God the Creator, without deserving to be so; Let us be careful not to consider ourselves Christians, without deserving to be so; Let us beware of believing ourselves predestined to Heaven, without deserving to be so.

[@antbrown9066]

Fascinating.

[@IsaiahWilson-k4o]

Wow never made one of these on time!

[@STEINBVG]

I have heard somewhere: science /reason gives to faith sanity, and faith gives to science humility

[@susanad.o.156]

“The best science of our time” often excludes objective consideration of some theories.

[@anneturner2759]

My brain hurts It’s wonderful Could listen all day long Agree all day long ,as it seems perfectly logical to me Huge thank you to all at WOF as always This is why I love the internet Sorry , not sorry , Fox News is not news 😘

[@danyoungmusic2023]

On the matter of evolution, would agree with the good Bishop that we should be open to the findings of science. But would suggest he investigate and consider some more the significant challenges Darwinian evolution is facing in light of current day understandings of genetics, cellular biology, the fossil record and mathematics. Macro evolution, while elegant on its surface, is increasingly unavailing as an operating theory for the origin of species. See in particular the writings of Dr. Stephen Meyer for a good and in-depth overview of the current academic landscape.

[@Nora-ky5bt]

I totally agree! Evolution simply doesn’t hold up as a theory

[@xXEGPXx]

There are exactly zero scientists who contest evolution. You listen to people who are paid by massive organizations to lie to Christians.

[@vats1955]

It is a fallacy to claim that across a human life, every single cell gets replaced. It doesn‘t apply to cortical neurons. And since materialists would claim that human consciousness isn‘t possible without neurons, this argument doesn‘t hold much water, in my opinion. Still, I really appreciated this discussion :)

[@user-gv6xn9cs3b]

God forbid that Bishop Barron amuse himself with youtube cute animal videos, but they break the body/machine analogy. Love, tenderness, play, friendship, humor even, seem endemic in our primitive cousins. I was struck with wonder yesterday by the attempt of a large praying mantis to apprehend me. I know that's anthropomorphizing, but baby animals and dogs, now, have emotions.

[@karinabarba2633]

We need this in spanish for our hispanic comunity

[@camilaherrerapardo]

¡Me apunto! Ofrezco toda mi ayuda. Soy profesora de Derecho, Filosofía. Doctora en filosofía del derecho y magister en teología. Si quieren hacer algo académico así, cuenten conmigo. Iré a donde quieran, ayudo en lo que quiera. Muero de ganas por ayudar a una labor evangelizadora como esta

[@karinabarba2633]

@@camilaherrerapardo ¡pongámoslo en oración!

[@user-gv6xn9cs3b]

Teilhard de Chardin was a Catholic Paleontologist, both mystic and scientist, lover of God and of his profound creation. He is as far away from Scientism as it's possible to be: The Lord loved it into being. The book of nature is written in the Psalm: The heavens declare the glory of God and the firmament proclaims his handiwork. Day pours out Word to day, and night to night imparts knowledge..

[@DawnLapka]

Disassociation: the lack of connection between mind, body, and soul: that's where any of the anxiety disorders come from.

[@xXEGPXx]

Souls are not real, they have been scientifically proven to not be real

[@0_3_6_9_0]

Faith + Reason. Scientific over scientism.

[@xXEGPXx]

Scientism is not a thing, that is something you made up to feel better about never doing any research into anything

[@user-gv6xn9cs3b]

I appreciate Bishop Barron for his efforts to infuse the mixed-gender problem with Thomistic rationality. I wonder if it's not more like say an African American in the 60s feeling uncomfortable in the white world, defined as he is by the inherant repugnance they feel about him based on his race. He doesn’t want to be white. But being black shames, shocks, and stresses him in their company. Christ treated women like people, as though they werent gendered. Unthinkable in those times, when a woman was defined by her relationship as daughter, wife, and mother, he adresses every woman as an individual, a rational being who needs to be seen, loved, and brought to salvation. So should we see everyone.

[@MartinMartin-mu2qj]

Let us ask the Lord of good souls to help us in our daily decisive battle, every day we decide, then every day we are tempted the Savior makes it clear to us that He, through Those who work for HIM, will help us against the beast of justification and his slave army, those who seek to condemn us, he makes it clear to us that HE prevails, against the fallen suffocation, the black wings banished from the Celestial Circles

[@Renny-c9h]

Jesus isn't a saviour all that part is fiction neither was he born of a virgin, made up to go with the multiple thousands of invented gods

[@markbirmingham6011]

32:29 not to be persnickety but in my limited understanding of hylomorphism the ship being an artifact made of substances is a relevant distinction. As compared to a living organism where there is a singular substance given interior form to the matter. The form of the ship would be an accidental form artificially created by how the various substances wood nails sails etc have been arranged together. Or something like that. Basically I’m saying the artifact substance distinction is relevant.

[@kennycarmody3d]

We need Christianity more than ever.

[@gariochsionnach2608]

... the soul is the living form, 'de anima,' the living pattern, the intelligible pattern of the life ... of the body, or: better, the animal.

[@eafowler777]

It does seem that there is a problem (conflict) between the theory of evolution and realism. Evolution at base seems to imply that something like nominalism is true. I have struggled with this for some time. Anyone know the how this conflict is resolved?

[@xXEGPXx]

The only conflict is your lack of intelligence

[@itinerantpatriot1196]

There are absolutists on both ends of the spectrum. There are those who reject science out-of-hand because it's not included in scripture and those who reject religion out-of-hand because it's not included in their sacred scrolls. Then there are those who take an absolutist position because the they see the opposing system as a threat to their power or beliefs. And then there are those who just like to stir pots. Some do it for profit, some do it simply because they like stirring things up. I'm one of those who doesn't see either as a threat to the other. But that's me.

[@xXEGPXx]

No, there are people who live in reality, and those who deny it, those are the only two positions

[@worthwhilediscussion]

Why do people claim, let alone, the clergy say humans are an image of God yet say we are cousins to animals???

[@xXEGPXx]

We are not cousins to animals, we are animals. In this world you are a plant, you are an animal, you are a bacterium, you are a virus, or you are a fungus. Those are the choices you got

[@splinterbyrd]

Bring back Brandon Vogt

[@criscavi19]

Substantial arguments missing this time in order to defend body and soul unity.

[@Paul-m8b2t]

Yes, but this message of body and soul working together in harmony seems to conflict with St. Paul's description, see Romans 7:14-25.

[@eamonreidy9534]

I thought the Olympic controversy had been put to bed. Not ideal seeing Word on Fire take a populist stance on a controversy

[@alphacharlietango969]

Nice harang, Excellency.

[@markbirmingham6011]

Comment for traction

[@ikkinwithattitude]

The materialist attempt to offer human beings an emotionally-compelling self-understanding by saying that we're made of stardust seems like a hilariously obvious bait-and-switch to me. To be made of stardust is inspiring because it means we're/beings composed of both heaven and earth/. If the materialist was honest and said, "we're made of stardust, just like the primordial sludge" or "we're made of the dust of ancient grass," no one would find that compelling.

[@xXEGPXx]

What? I am fully aware that I am made up of recycled garbage materials, just like you are. The difference between me and you is ego, you think so highly of yourself that you cannot possibly accept that you are just a beast made of garbage, whilst I have no problem accepting that reality

[@josephineserna4984]

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[@slntobsrvr4297]

why does he have a pen but no paper?

[@slntobsrvr4297]

nvm the paper spawned in

[@keithcarvalho9630]

Because holding the pen, he bent down to write in the sand

[@branfordm9639]

Curious that Bishop Barron will often (as here) call out transgenderism by name to illustrate the incoherence and destructiveness to which modernism and its false philosophies have led us, but rarely utters a word about the more pervasive forms of bodily desecration modernism has embraced, in particular contraception and homosexuality. I know he would agree these are also evils that Church teaching forbids, but he seems largely uninterested in giving them anything more than a passing thought-even though such practices are of surpassing cultural relevance today (and even where they are directly germane to the subject matter of his discourse).

[@TomJudson]

He ignores these because he realizes that most of society and the vast majority of intelligent people accept these things as completely normal and he doesn't want to expend his precious celebrity on a losing issue. That man in a dress ain't no fool.

[@mgmarxer3876]

Would you say Jesus wore a dress? Because Jesus is usually depicted in outfits that are at least as long and even more draped/flowing. It’s an immature attack. Bishop Barron’s vestments (and those of other priests) are rooted in the historical dress of Judea.

[@mgmarxer3876]

He has addressed homosexuality and contraception repeatedly in other videos on his YT channel if you’re interested-he just didn’t mention them here. I suspect that’s also bc transgenderism is a far more “current” issue in our politics & legal system.

[@TomJudson]

@@mgmarxer3876 It's a current issue only because the right has given up on other socially divisive issues. Do a little research--the number of transgender athletes is in the scores, not the hundreds or thousands as these discussions imply. Think about that: out of 300,000,000 people there are less than 200 trans athletes in scholastic team sports and yet the right will not shut up about it. Again, it's punching down; it's taking a group that has absolutely no power or influence. It's disgusting. It's un-Christian. It really makes me ill.

[@xXEGPXx]

Because you bigots are currently more rabid about trans people. You are a pack of rabid dogs, unthinking, uncultured, and incapable of having morality or using logic, so of course he is just feeding you the slop that you demand.

[@CreezusJighst]

Its so weird how religious people cant cope with people changing their bodies. Baby has a cleft lip, you can change that. You weigh too much, you can change that. Nose is too big Teeth are stained and crooked That mole looks suspicious Arms are scrawny Got a flat cake You want a tattoo You wanna wear ear rings People change their bodies all the time and you dont bat an eye. You dont tell cleft lip babies "sorry sport, thats just how god made ya, deal with it." And you dont tell someone at the hair salon. "How dare you become a blonde!? God made you a brunette and you better stay that way!" This is nonsense. We're just cars on the track of life and if you need or want aftermarket parts to get across the finish line, do what you gotta do. Dont listent to these guys fr. They don't own you and neither does their imaginary friend.

[@Renny-c9h]

Well said

[@TTHubble]

As always with the Catholic church is about being listened to blindly, believe are made up crap or else and once they've got you they try to place the church in every aspect of the person's life. It's so parasitical. Thank all the gods these clowns power has been dissipating for years.

[@xXEGPXx]

They dont care about people changing their bodies, they use that as an excuse to make their bigotry sound like it has justification, when it really just boils down to "Because the bible said so"

[@RexKochanski]

Chesterton said if you saw two cars that appeared identical but suddenly one car took off into the air and flew, the similarity of the cars makes the special action of the one more, not less , of a surprise. He was pointing to the difference between animal cognition and human abstract thought. I think there is more to those "cars" and their Friend than you imagine.

[@CreezusJighst]

@@RexKochanski *insert dead famous person* once said "people aren't cars and we cant fly, so stfu"

[@jenniferabel2811]

I love Bishop Barron. But I think that Plato and the gnostics got this one right.

[@PhilipShaw-p2j]

abrt: suicide?

[@michaelbranham5854]

I lost a lot of respect for Bishop Barron. Evolution explicitly goes against the Holy Bible, and no evolution doesn't play any part in GOD creating this world. Creation is a Holy Bible teaching, which by default should be a Catholic teaching. What other issues have they strayed away from the Holy Bible on?

[@AntJWarren]

The bible does not provide scientific insight to the nature of creation. As Pope Leo XIII stated: "There can never, indeed, be any real discrepancy between the theologian and the physicist, as long as each confines himself within his own lines." Scientists explain physical realities. Scripture explain spiritual one.

[@mgmarxer3876]

Catholics believe that God’s creation of the world and evolution are fully compatible. This isn’t a unique stance amongst Christians-plenty of Protestants adopt this same stance. The Evangelicals (not all) and more fundamental strains of Christianity-typically American-who reject evolution for “young earth-isn” etc. are in the minority.

[@worthwhilediscussion]

​@@AntJWarrenGod created a human man and woman. How do we know? God said so.

[@PaulaAlinsangan]

Is evolution scientific? Was there observation studies on the evolution of people or of the universe? The idea of evolution is just speculation.

[@xXEGPXx]

So reality goes against your bible, so you deny reality, rather than questioning if perhaps your second hand accounts written 200 years after the events 2000 years ago might actually be slightly questionable and not 100% true

[@veinmetal8671]

@8:25 wrong. The soul does not want to escape the body. Soul imprisoned in the Jail-Skeleton is a relief. You have to understand that your full soul is very intense and immense. The knowledge and consciousness and emotional feels is 10 000% more than human condition. So it may be in chaos. You may feel uncoordinated feelings and emotions, negative & positive, on an irregular basis, in full Chaos. Earth offers the discipline for the body to condition everything. Every earthly incarnation is a standard soul rearrangement. The formations of the neurons are arranged in ranks. The soul becomes like a society. But it doesn't behave like an inner dictatorship, nor a democracy, nor a republic, nor a Kingdom, nor a theocracy, nor an anarchy. The soul becomes true joy. Aligned with the Heavens. That feeling depicting agony, despair, sadness, depression, will no longer bother you because it is concentrated into an action that jukes the downside. It will become like taking a pee or taking a shhit. It will bluff a negative feeling and turn into an actual "part of the joy and the journey" moment. On Earth we cannot experience heaven. But in the afterlife we cannot experience heaven without Earth multiple lives conditioning. As long as you're on Earth, you don't really need to do anything special. The journey is the conditioning in itself. In other words, there's no chance you can possibly "fail" Earth's quests. so if everything doesn't really matters on Earth, what is the purpose to be something better? Someone better? Yes. I do loath with all of my heart the fking Queen's Freddy mercury pieeece off shhit "nothing really matters, nothing really matters, to meeeeee" disgusting homo lyric on a melancholic melody. Yes. Everything matters to me. A crakhead filthy homeless lazy infection human, is much lesser quality than a nurse. Or a doctor. The effort you input into your life adds value to the earth conditioning. So even if there's a starting standard of value, that doesn't mean you have to be careless about Earth's givings. You can multiply your standard value. By x times.

[@alphacharlietango969]

Nice harang, Excellency.