The Deutsch Files I

[@rorystruthers]

Added to the Deutsch list for a less chaotic day. Naval and David require all of my attention. Looking forward to it. 😊

[@shutterninjas7230]

We missed the long format content ❤

[@SuperGnarley]

"You piss on us, we say it's raining" - David Deutsch

[@El_Diablo_12]

What a smart guy. He’s thought through so many subjects. A rare mind.

[@manutube500]

Would love to see you all on JRE. I love your content. it helps my personal a lot!

[@ReynaSingh]

Thanks for this insightful content

[@tejeshwarsharma6496]

So she finished a 54 min conversation in 6mins since the conversation got uploaded..

[@pjpj652]

So you watched at 27x speed. 54 mins in 2 mins. Wow.

[@heydyvex]

what is wrong with you? may be she has listened to this before on airchat or may be she just try to thank naval for great content he's sharing@@tejeshwarsharma6496

[@dawnfmEnthusiast]

i really like your videos

[@jciglesias7928]

Love your content Reyna! Yours have been just as insightful

[@rolandcoeurjoly7115]

I've read and listened to Understand by Ted Chiang like a dozen times. Also love Greg Egan, and Neal Stephenson!

[@italiano44]

Bookmark: 00:05:36

[@snarkyboojum]

This seems like David’s voice was generated.

[@lilianlilian9461]

Fantastic. More please.

[@ladok1865]

Please speak more Naval. We would like to hear your opinions as well.

[@vimal-cliobconsulting]

Haha

[@zacke6]

i reeeeeeally liked this convo

[@GilesMcRiker]

The mathematician who refused the Felds medal , the Nobel of mathematics, was Grigori Perelman, a Russian mathematician of Jewish background, who was the first to prove the Poincoiré conjecture. Perelman refused the honour primarily because he was fed up with ethical standards in the mathematics. In particular, after he had published his proof, mathematicians associated with Yau (of Calabri Yau fame) had published papers asserting that their work actually represented the first proof, an account of filling in alleged gaps in GP's proofs. GP was annoyed because he himself benefited from the work and guidance of others who he was always quick to acknowledge

[@vani_maki]

Thanks for the sci-fi books suggestions

[@arpitdutta9026]

Can I know the books name

[@Ozzilaa]

What did they suggest?

[@CluelessEngineer]

I have no idea whats going on but im 40 mins in and im intrigued.

[@EdArmGuitar]

Read David Deutsch's books, then listen again, and you'll be surprised at how valuable this is!

[@Lefachie]

Banger

[@haruki5401]

When the part II coming out? Thank you for sharing!

[@varoon5]

Glad to find some new naval! man is wrong, wrong and wrong. Still a fun listen

[@TheMolecularDance]

Naval ❤

[@bobtarmac1828]

Thank you guys! Question… Humanity vs chatGPT vs ai jobloss vs the ai new world order. Who will win?

[@howerover]

Yes.

[@coder_rc]

Technology replaces jobs with opportunities - Naval

[@udaypsaroj]

Quote of the day@@coder_rc

[@bobtarmac1828]

True@@coder_rc

[@harshpatel105]

What is that boarhas book?

[@virtuerse]

Jorge Borges, Library of Babel

[@harshpatel105]

@@virtuerseThanks

[@virtuerse]

@@harshpatel105 happy reading my friend

[@gauravrawat.7]

Good

[@wheelofwater]

“the battle going on right now between the civilized and the uncivilized” nice piece of dehumanization u got there

[@real_pattern]

stock dumbass talking point, not even trying to be creative, just str8 up using bog standard centuries old colonial dehumanisation. also, if you noticed, david said that climate change (he said 'the weather') cannot possibly be taken as an existential risk, but "the woke" is one. geez.

[@VoloBonja]

They are all people, he’d say. Human being it is, both of them. Where is dehumanisation?

[@nbme-answers]

6:42 Does it understand? No!

[@sahilhotchandani3668]

❤

[@RamboWealth]

🔥

[@AaronMartinProfessional]

🙏🙏🙏🙌🙌🙌

[@RamboWealth]

🔥👍

[@MrAli-ns7jq]

First person

[@El_Diablo_12]

31:50

[@atg8317]

its sad to me that even these guys cant openly say if they support Palestine or Israel....but that just tells me that they know what Israel is doing is wrong

[@GilesMcRiker]

Sorry to impeach your half-baked theory, but they obviously support Israel. I'm not sure about Naval, what's the other two have been vocal about this. Unfortunately, you were even too lazy to even bother confirming or refuting your self-serving thesis. Lazy and dim.

[@dr.harshmaheshwari]

If you are asking such a question, you don't deserve to be listening these gentleman. These two are against tribal identification & they focus on what is the true reality instead of picking up sides. Your question implies this or that, they vs us kind of feelings. First get above these tribal feelings then come back again.

[@atg8317]

@@dr.harshmaheshwari and what is the true reality of the situation and where did i mention tribal identification and i know geopolitics is hard to have an opinion on as a civilian but we have the data for this genocide it didn't not start on Oct 7.

[@atg8317]

@@GilesMcRiker i was talking about naval sorry yes I did see how David Deutsch is supporting Israel but all this talk about knowledge and he reposted a video of guy giving baseless arguments with no facts.

[@real_pattern]

existential risk: "the woke" cannot possibly be an existential risk: "the weather" (climate weirding) lmao. goofy ah david

[@johnmartin650]

I think this guy is well past his sell by date. Conflating Dalle with chatgpt is so dumb.

[@El_Diablo_12]

He’s a physicist, by definition they don’t have a sell by date 😂 we still use Newton is plenty of cases

[@johnmartin650]

@@El_Diablo_12 I'm dumber for having read your comment.

[@FlameForgedSoul]

We think you have no idea what you're talking about. Chat GPT has had Dall-e integration via plugin since October of last year.

[@wonmoreminute]

This! ChatGPT understands what he’s asking. Dall-E does not. And ChatGPT can’t see the images that Dall-E creates unless you reupload them. When you do, however, ChatGPT can understand the discrepancies between the image and what you’re asking it, and it will adjust its prompt accordingly. But then you’re back to the same problem of Dall-E not following those instructions, which should be expected. Dall-E doesn’t have the contextual horsepower that ChaptGPT has. I find it very difficult to listen to intellectuals speak about AI with the same certainty that they speak of their area of study and expertise, when they clearly don’t understand AI. And it’s fine to not understand it. No one is an expert at everything. If he said, “I don’t think ChatGPT is creative because…” and then explains his experience, followed by, “but I’m not sure because I don’t understand exactly how the technology works”, that would be far more helpful to listeners. Instead, he says it’s obviously not creative because… Ironically, this is because he’s comparing it to a human, attributing human characteristics to it, while also saying he doesn’t understand how people can think it’s human, or human like. But his misunderstanding of the technology is because he is anthropomorphizing it. He compared it to giving a human instructions and the human understanding his instructions… as if ChatGPT was painting the picture itself and iterating on the adjustments he was requesting. In reality, ChatGPT is just prompting Dall-E. I imagine if it could see each image being produced and experience human emotions, it would probably be just as frustrated as he is that Dall-E kept getting it wrong. And to be fair, I think most of anthropomorphize it in a way. I know I do. It’s the same thought process that leads one person to think it’s fundamentally dumb and not at all intelligent as someone else to think the obvious progression will result in super intelligence and possibly sentience. It’s by mapping our own human experience, understanding, and assumptions onto it and making a comparison. In my case, I’m not entirely certain that what I do isn’t just next token prediction, with an added observer layer that inevitably creates a feedback loop (internal dialogue) that I then interpret as being conscious. Throw in additional sense feedback from the world and hormones like adrenaline, dopamine, cortisol, etc. and I’m just processing information… maybe. A lot more information, with the ability to sort it effectively for long term planning and reasoning that spans a lifetime, not just a single chat session… but just processing data nonetheless. I’m not certain it has to be significantly more complex than that. But it might be.