Navy Seal Blue Belt vs. BJJ Black Belt

JP vs Pete 2019
The last Immersion camp in 2019 featured a high stakes bout between @jpdinnell and @pete.m.roberts
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[@informationageenterprise2184]

Sure Jocko, Pete and JP are pretty "tough", but rest assured none of them stand a CHANCE against ANYONE in the comments...

[@samlee1890]

Yea I’m a loan officer with a one stripe blue belt. I’ll submit their loans and joints.

[@ScottOrd]

I think Reddit might give you some special "flair" if you post a lot in the BJJ sub... 😂

[@vikhound]

For sure, I'm a red belt in Key Boardjitsu

[@squidwardtortellini1832]

@@vikhound how fast can you type, bro?

[@halohalos]

this made me lol

[@rchappell77]

That is a martial arts gym: comraderie, competition, respect, good sportsmanship and fun. And they did that for charity. Thanks for posting. Kenpo was my thing, but I appreciate all the arts and BJJ is fantastic.

[@nsfw4832]

Yeahhh. Kenpo and savate are amazing in trained bodies.

[@ryanmichaelangelofavale5863]

Japanese JJ not Brazilian

[@keithhampton9700]

Trained by grand master John Fite. Al Tracy Kenpo. Was Tae Kwon Do before. Kenpo is a much more involved self defense art. Learned more in one year of Kenpo. Brutal self defence art.

[@nolanbowen8800]

Parker's Kenpo was where I started.

[@phillyblunt8473]

American Karate Studio (kenpo) under Sempei Mike Cappi 90-92

[@chriservin5975]

So much respect for JP! At blue belt he was able to prevent the desired throw from a larger black belt. And he won 2,500 for Mama Lee! This was incredible and AWESOME at the same time. Great vid!

[@donaldduke2233]

Right. He only got swept 6 times.

[@adracusgreystone206]

Come on he was not larger lol.

[@bigben42]

@@adracusgreystone206 definitely larger, and a lot more muscle

[@KutWrite]

I wondered who won.

[@amirakal1566]

Basic manhandling.. I thought that this was a very realistic example why we should respect the danger of confrontation on the ground probably more than standing. Props to blue.. but in real time in a real scrap. I'd have to side with Mr. black.

[@EnligUlv]

As my favorite coworker once said, “don’t call yourself a SEAL, if you’re less than what you were when you finished BUDS.”. He was a SEAL for a decade then left the Navy for civilian life. I ran many 10ks and triathlons with him; he definitely lived the credo long after.

[@generalmonkey4239]

Ur inspirational bro i will become a seal one day in the future i am going to enlist soon when I graduate highschool

[@johnhubbard6262]

As a lower belt, blue belts were always more scary to me as they had all the fundamentals down and seemed more likely to want to bring the pain.

[@BboyCorrosive]

My Blue belt self in January 2020, yeh maybe. My Blue belt self now after all the Rona lockdowns and restrictions, I'd like to swap my blue for a 2 stripe white plz 😂

[@soulsrunner7476]

*sigh* I miss my blue belt days

[@lloyd2929]

They often have the need to prove themselves. They often are hungrier than an upper belt who wants to be respectful to lower belts. They will put an enormous amount of muscle in the match with disregard to longevity.

[@user-rr5ce1wb2j]

As a white belt, blue belts scare me the most. Us white belts are the only ones they can give a complete whooping and they do every single time we roll.

[@RufioMini]

@@lloyd2929 This, they’re out to prove they’re worthy of the belt.

[@Away.Aweigh.A.Way.]

That was a better fight than Floyd and Logan

[@cdb0816]

Best comment/True story

[@martina6212]

Same amount of grappling lol

[@BostonsF1nest]

If Floyd vs Logan were an MMA match they would have humped each other for 8 rounds

[@tomithedisciple]

Best comment haha!

[@jonathansorg1713]

Agreed

[@decadence8473]

In about a year after I started learning judo, I was 13 yo, and some master black belt adult paired with me for practice out of fun. He did nothing else to me other than a foot sweep. Sounds simple enough, and I already knew and applied it pretty well being 1 year into attending the class, but BOY COULD I DO NOTHING against that man, one second we were standing, and the next one I was there on the floor, very gently too. It felt surreal, but there I understood the immense difference between a black belt and an ordinary person.

[@RJ-is9ko]

You were 13 yrs old though

[@MIbra96]

That was not just the difference between a black belt and an ordinary person dude, that was also the difference between the strength of a trained grown man and the strength of a kid. 😂

[@decadence8473]

@@MIbra96 agreed, but the point is that it was not simply about "strength" because the master black belt did not use too much of it at all. All of it was super smooth and was much more about the mastery and the technique.

[@ryanwhite6381]

Similar experience. I was ten, and the black belt used this move where he squeezed my hand until I cried. It was unstoppable.

[@crazzanthictlabbar1056]

One thing I love about the martial arts world, and what I miss about training, is how the intensity, aggression, and competition are mixed so beautifully with acceptance, openness, patience, support, and mutual respect. When you join a good dojang or boxing gym, you're joining a family. A family that pushes you past your limits and makes you a better person. Granted, there is always some new member who comes in with a crap attitude, but such people usually don't stay long.

[@rcchristian2]

Pain is weakness leaving the body!

[@Mithrandir69]

I hate being reminded that Jocko has a Tramp Stamp. It's like getting to Heaven, only to see Jesus vaping and rocking out to Nickelback 😞

[@alahatim]

i don't know why this made me laugh so hard, but i'm crying

[@mantazuma]

I'm crushed too

[@waynehearst317]

100000% ...this was my first time seeing it. I froze, sat back in my chair and covered my face with my hands and died inside....

[@Lavadx]

CLASSIC

[@turbowtime9611]

Time stamp?

[@daviddale3624]

Thank you to both. A strong, well conditioned, belt of any rank vs the "expert" of any martial art is always going to be entertaining. Well done wagering the outcome to a good charity.

[@chrisscala4221]

Great sportsmanship and camaraderie! That really put a smile on my face and I had to laugh at the end!

[@onesadtech]

This was a great competition, well fought by both. A great reminder of schooling versus life experience as well. 👌

[@IrishTechnicalThinker]

The blue belt did excellent considering his level to get side control even made the crowd as shocked as us watching.

[@ci8158]

Was there a fight at all,..? I have noticed two guys cuddling like a couple

[@kaen4299]

@@ci8158 famous last words before it went dark

[@darken3150]

@@ci8158 You're clueless, we get it.

[@tobybarter8932]

@@ci8158 your the kind of guy to get chocked out and put to sleep on momma pillow. Don't speak on what you dont understand, dont be the guy that goes viral because a 50kg put you to sleep

[@tobybarter8932]

@@kaen4299 respect

[@sclm55]

Oh that was fun! This video came up on my suggestions. I don't know who these guys are (I'll find out in a moment though). But it is great to see these kinds of guys being so good natured about it all, in spite of the 'rivalry' or whatever it is between them.

[@osango310]

It's difficult to describe just how exhausting this is, and they only showed the highlights. I used to do 5min matches in college and this took me right back.

[@anthonykurzrock4875]

Man you aint lying bjj, wrestling, boxing, kickboxing any of that. Is insane the cardio some of these guys have

[@akshaygulabrao4423]

Wrestling is way more cardio intense than bjj.

[@crewchief5144]

Whenever someone says "ground fighting" all I hear is "pig wrestling." You're just going to get tired and dirty.

[@rcchristian2]

You could tell, the blue belt within about 1 minute was already gassing... :) One thing I've noticed that as you get more technical you waste less energy. As a blue belt you want to just go hard, but you always end up gassing out... lol

[@jordanrodriguez5436]

@@rcchristian2 I find that you need to find your pace that is as close to a sprint as possible but where you can sustain it. I gassed bad after my first competition and since found a high pace i can keep up for 2 hours of open mat

[@oldguyfishing]

Fantastic on both parties, great control over both. Totally different if it was a real deal. Love it

[@samwilson9459]

I actually clapped at the end of this! That was very entertaining. Well done JP and Pete.

[@davidskirk7355]

Its always fascinating to see the level of determination in Navy Seals, true warriors

[@wingchunsaskatoon576]

So much respect. Both these guys would kill me, and I couldn't feel safer wrestling either one, so much control and repeat, down right beautiful. Respect.

[@alineharam]

it is very pleasant to see friendliness among competitors. A mutual respect and affection of the sparing.

[@bigsassyster]

3:08 this turnover was amazing. Just knows exactly how much pressure to give for the individual to look for the only move to get out, yet that move only falls into the pit of the finishing move. So badass.

[@stoneysdead689]

Ikr- BJJ is so different from any other style of martial arts it's just incredible. If anyone ever askes me which style I think is the most effective, which style would help them the most in everyday, on the street style situations- whiteout a doubt it's BJJ. Nothing else even comes close. Not only does it train you to be able to effectively defend yourself- it gets rid of your ego. And with no ego you'll find it's very rare you even have a situation. But- if you do, you have a better chance of defending yourself and others successfully than with any other style of fighting.

[@maritomoko4915]

@@stoneysdead689 Quick question, does BJJ include striking or is it like pure grappling also; does the martial art rely on the fact that you are on the ground or is there other things that are meant to be used while standing up ?

[@stoneysdead689]

@@maritomoko4915 I'm not the right person to ask- I admire it but I've never studied. That said- I do know there is no striking, it's pure grappling. They do train taking ppl down from the standing position though.

[@maritomoko4915]

@@stoneysdead689 Thanks for answering, much appreciated

[@flixs1353]

@@stoneysdead689 boxer can top bjj idiot

[@njosborne5540]

Jocko having a tramp stamp is like finding out Santa Claus isn't real.

[@drejamz]

Mind=BLOWN

[@mulltothree4375]

WTH!?!?! Santa Claus isn't real? :(

[@dv3607]

He had to help his men in battle anyway he could

[@bhitz]

😂😂

[@lcobl8084]

Thank goodness you're only joking about Santa

[@tj-kv6vr]

Thankyou to all who serve this country, you are needed and respected.

[@grumplepig]

This was fun to watch, thank you gentlemen

[@agent_orange5327]

Saw Jocko and knew this was gonna be a good one. The "Oh he called you a boy too" comment confirmed it 🤣 But respect to both guys, that was bad ass

[@superkool7]

I was so pumped the entire time this was great and great energy!!

[@alineharam]

it was very exciting.

[@TESK4]

Super impressive .......the hype of the crowd kept both motivated.......that shoulder tattoo I’m sure he’s badass in real life so a real situation with this seal the fight would be so ugly it could never be filmed lol....they both are keeping the art alive in a incredible way great work to both

[@vashisl33t]

that was a real situation

[@AztecUnshaven]

@@vashisl33t yeah, but this was a grappling match, not a full on fight. No heavy throwing or striking allowed.

[@mattm1854]

So awesome. Found myself smiling the whole time watching this.

[@lemmehalone7625]

Loved it! Good fighters, good sportsmanship, good cause.... keep making America proud!!

[@sxanep]

This was as close to 7 sweeps as in Hollywood movies. Very entertaining. Congrats to the blue belt for winning the bet.

[@gomcse]

That was fun to watch! Love the camaraderie.

[@olivierfouassier6495]

Bravely fought both of them. Incredible energy and great technics. Bravo!

[@darrenstettner5381]

Epic. I liked the ending as it was, however, had he landed that sacrifice throw in the final second that would have been the best.

[@travisboothe5670]

We need some more of these jui jitsu videos.

[@Wankshaftsbury]

What I loved about this was that it was really sporting between two friends.

[@_Chipster]

Yeah, i got into jits when it first started blowing up and all the wannabe UFC meatheads were at the local gyms; it was not a fun experience and it definitely wasn't safe. Started watching jits clips and man and i want to get back into. I guess, due to bad luck, i never felt like jits was fun, these videos show me how wrong i was.

[@raymondwilson293]

Weight, strength and skill advantage is a trifecta that's hard to beat. This Seal did a commendable job.

[@SKRATCH1988]

I just started 1.5 months ago. Basically 100% of my partners weight more, are taller, are older, are stronger, and are more skilled. lmao. Shits tough. 🥵🥵

[@aussierednecksinger28]

The black belt relaxed at times to let the seal do things that looked ok so as to not thoroughly embarrass him.

[@2kmichaeljordan438]

@@SKRATCH1988 you think that’s bad? I started 2 months ago, half of the people where I go are veterans and I’m 14

[@SKRATCH1988]

@@2kmichaeljordan438 honestly yes, rolling against white belts that weigh 50-100 lbs more than you when you are also a white belt sucks. In my experience even if there is no way they are losing more experienced belts work with you and give up positions to see if you know what you're doing.

[@jonsheik3060]

@@SKRATCH1988 I played competitive kumite for a while at 6'2 158. I was just too damn light.

[@willpower101lutman4]

Jp so much respect for you Sir! You did exactly what you said wow that’s really really impressive.

[@DrJosephKim7]

This was fun, though the rule set favored the blue belt by a lot. It would have been easier in many ways for the black belt to get subs, since the blue knew the sweeps were coming.

[@seanreed9472]

True. I have a shitty (barely blue belt) guard, but I sweep like a black belt (cleaned house in NAGA back in the day..4 years of wrestling before I started BJJ). The key to setting up sweeps is to first attempt a sub. When your opponent defends the sub, that is usually where the sweep comes. You have to do what we call "chain wrestling" hitting multiple techniques one after another. Doing so creates opportunities.

[@kevincorrigan1754]

@@seanreed9472 yep, exactly right.

[@Sfaegbe]

The blue is wearing black the black is wearing blue who are you talking about

[@jofitness9373]

@@Sfaegbe The colour of the belt matters, the guy in black is wearing a blue belt and the guy in blue is wearing a black belt

[@Arthurian.]

Jiu Jitsu is mind blowing in how capable it makes someone on the ground. It all seems logical when watching it, but applying it obviously is another story. This was really cool

[@rcchristian2]

When you know Jiu Jitsu... and someone doesn't... it's like... why is he letting me grab him here.... ?? lol People just don't know how quickly you can disable them. You just don't know what's coming. In BJJ you lead someone down a path to suffocation or bone break. They think they are safe and then all of the sudden when they realize they aren't, it's way too late.

[@toendramist]

They are both bloody good. And more important, friendly. I love it.

[@MegaWeagle]

Would love more videos like this, or just bjj in general from you all.

[@brackishwr7242]

JP is the brother of a friend of mine. Man is a living legend. Nothing but respect and love, thank you for your service to this great country.

[@kevinraabe457]

I haventv even started watching yet and you guys are great!!!

[@19conqueor23]

That was truly awesome and amazing to see.

[@guts4340]

Really good sports! that was really cool to watch. Thank you for sharing.

[@BrotherHank]

Not gonna lie, I was hoping he'd get the suplex at the last minute.

[@jaymck454]

That was awesome thanks Boys !!!

[@lauramater628]

When I was in Jax FL. On a job for 6 months I took Brazilian jujitsu for 6 months and went 3 times a week . I learned so much it is awesome for when the fight hits the floor.

[@dozer1642]

These boys would fold me up like a cheap tent on a rainy, hangover Monday.

[@pinkberryconsumer4059]

Lol I can totally identify with this comment. Sadly more than once. Haha well done.

[@whodhavethoughtit3784]

@@pinkberryconsumer4059 😢me too!

[@opinionmaximus]

7 sweeps in 10 minutes against blue belt and above is a pretty impressive feat! I'm pretty impressed he got 6 honestly.

[@mikebastiat]

Why? Blue belt ain't shit to black.

[@sabrinad.henson9216]

No it isn’t lmao

[@opinionmaximus]

@@mikebastiat A decent blue belt should not get swept 7 times in 10 minutes. They should have a decent understanding of keeping their base.

[@mikebastiat]

@@opinionmaximus I don't really think so. I'm a blue belt and my black belt coach sweeps me all the time.

[@opinionmaximus]

@@mikebastiat Need to work on that base brother. How long have you been training? Been a blue belt? 😁

[@stacy3065]

Good to see you keeping up with training, JP!! Hooah!!

[@jcbusto122]

WOW 😳.... BOTH GUYS... Great job. That Navy Seal looks like a tank of a man very impressive and technical sweeps as well. And the other guys great job at adapting and figuring out how to handle such a beast well done by both men looks like a lot of fun.

[@marcocastro3604]

Let's go JP!!!!!💪💯

[@TheNino37]

I can't wait until I can get to an Immersion Camp!

[@randomshotz13]

He REALLY wanted that over head sweep, kept trying to get it as the 7th to prove the point, I do love the overhead from spider guard but JP defended from it well (although sometimes walking into the side sweep) great video!

[@allanjim3]

Great video - definitely worth a watch!

[@diedefending420]

I wasn't aware that the SEALs had a belt class. 😂😂😂

[@shabblabbat]

To be fair, there could be a Popeye’s Chicken Frier Blue Belt...

[@ryanvogt7772]

Retired

[@ThatJamesGuy88]

I’m pretty sure the SEAL has a blue belt in BJJ?

[@forrestdisney2698]

@@diedefending420 jocko isn’t a blue belt lmao. The blue belt rolling in the video is a blue belt He is a black belt under dean lister

[@cwhip2432]

Now that right there, is some good team building

[@warrenstephens3705]

Looked like great fun, thanks for sharing.

[@chrismoltasanti]

Much respect to both 💯💯

[@johnbettertonx1]

That was so fun !!!

[@myeverdearestdarling5350]

Hi, guys. I hope everyone is taking BJJ classes as a sport because this is what Jiu Jitsu looks like against a striker and kicker (and if there are two guys against you, you're instantly doomed! The other guy will just kick you in the head while you're trying to cuddle his friend): How Kazushi Sakuraba Destroyed the Gracie Clan m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/r5u5fmSbh7iDoqc I've learned that the US Military and Secret Service, and even Israel, the home of Krav Maga, are learning Systema (which is a combat system tested and proven by the Russian Special Forces for survival during war times, unlike Jiu Jitsu, MMA and other sport martial arts, which are not only exclusively for one-on-one, but don't train against weapons). I wish Systema were taught in schools (starting from kindergarten) instead of useless P.E. If everyone were skilled in self-defense, there would be less assaults, kidnappings and rapes because evil-minded people would hesitate to attack anyone, knowing they'll be in for a real fight, battling for their own lives. Here's a link about Systema: marylandsystema.com/systema-russian-martial-arts-is-one-of-the-secret-services-strongest-weapons/

[@alineharam]

it really was. An fun watching two excellent and commited opponents.

[@df6148]

4:52 he goes for the last second sweep overhead 😂😂🤣😂

[@youdoer]

Enjoyed this. Thanks.

[@troylancaster8278]

That was an excellent fight and I loved every minute of it great job to both competitors.

[@thenathanimal2909]

"Pizza black belt" ~Closed caption subtitles

[@darnation8650]

Fun to watch. That style of fighting is exhausting for any extended amount of time. The BB effortlessly put in the first 4 sweeps. Sweeps 5 and 6 took just a bit longer to execute each and were getting a little sloppy. He never got to 7 because he was exhausted. With the BB thoroughly exhausted the BlueB was just able to hold his own and run out the clock. Shows what a gulf there is in skill between Blue and Black. Blue has all the basics in and is good at them too a degree and has all the basic knowledge the Black belt has. However, the Black belt has largely mastered them, moving with a speed and precision that bewilders the Blue and easily moves inside his OODA loop. But at least with his level of knowledge, the Blue knows exactly what happened to him after the fact and can learn from it and gain motivation to master the skills he has.

[@AntiKiwieCS]

What is OODA short for?

[@darnation8650]

@@AntiKiwieCS Observe, Orient, Decide, Act...the term was coined by one of the first fighter plane dog-fighting Aces in the early 20th century. He developed the concept to help train new fighter pilots. The fighter who more quickly understands and executes can "get inside" or disrupt the opposing fighter's OODA loop, thereby dominating the fight to victory.

[@itstruelovexo]

That was a great, fun video. Your team are obviously great friends and teammates.

[@outlawx720]

Great show of sportsmanship by both men. Very entertaining and close match.

[@CPTBeanMan]

Great value Fedor?

[@darkpassenger65]

That was brutal. I had to look away.

[@IanMichael87]

Gotta love the friendly competition. Only makes you better.

[@getintothewildwithjeffruma8777]

Great job guys much respect👊

[@realboltfan]

JP may be a blue belt in GI… but make no mistake he’s been training quite a long time. Always been tough

[@hermespugliese]

That´s what BJJ is all about: having fun with comrades, learning tecniques and self defense. And of course, RESPECT. OSSSSSS

[@GrahamsYouTube]

Damn good job, got to respect someone who puts it out there

[@biteme4573]

I got to the hand shake and i waa hooked ... Bok now im going to finish this video... Lmao.. im back... Yah hell yah... That was great.. every second on rhe edge of my seat... Good match up... Both you guy's are awesome.. loved it

[@triunity732]

The “Sour Apple Sniper” strikes!!!!

[@MattD86]

Great side control transition there to avoid the sweep at 4:13

[@newhopefamilyinvestmentsll3737]

Good to see men finding creative ways to give to the community!

[@18BIG78]

Hats off to both AND TO MY BROTHER IN ARMS 🙏👍👍😁🍀 for holding tight. GOD BLESS SO THAT OTHERS MAY LIVE. P.J.

[@RowdyGrunt]

I haven't enjoyed a match that much in a LONNNNGGG time! Good one both guys! Wow! But damn... Pete... losing to a Navy guy? C'mon man.... :-) j/k!!!!!!!!!!!! from an Army guy. :-)

[@Champagne519]

I like how people always add “marine” or “navy seal” in the title, as if that holds any weight whatsoever in martial arts. Especially against someone who does it for a living.

[@reaper6983]

I agree I've been doing martial arts for year's and I've beaten cops and marines in martial art's I don't know why they think they are better than regular civilians that practice it as well.

[@flatstanley6232]

I've always assumed it just means they're willing to work harder than an average person since there training is pretty intense. Also many are in good shape due to regular pt.

[@brotherxela5085]

Because marines and navy seals are basically professional athletes.... just like if it was with an nfl player they would put the title...

[@Champagne519]

@@brotherxela5085 marines and navy seals are nowhere close to being professional athletes😂, sure they are fit, but being fit doesn’t translate to natural skill and ability in sports.

[@brotherxela5085]

@@Champagne519 bro especially navy seals.... they are some of the most gifted athletic abilities out there... and definitely the strongest mindset... a lot of them could have been professional athletes

[@B.I.H]

Good show both fighters 👏 nothing better than a technical bout between gentlemen

[@pnuema1.618]

That was freaking awesome!

[@moneyprinter9269]

Well the blue belt was a navy seal. He passed one of the hardest military selection in the world that even the black belt possibly couldnt pass.

[@drsssssssss]

that was fun to watch :D

[@MegaRugby2]

The black belt was also bigger and stronger.

[@Inlinetodie]

Awesome, super clean full respect to both men 👏👍

[@djscooby76]

Much respect to these gentlemen pure grit and smarts

[@shanedelgado666]

"There's levels to this shit." -DC

[@dean0101]

The black belt was just playing with him, whilst the blue belt looked gassed out

[@sweatyrollsbjj5856]

That was a great watch guys! Lots of fun! 🤣🤙

[@Murph_.]

That was awesome to watch!

[@bluestateconservative.4118]

Black belt or not, Jocko would flip JP over his head just by glancing in his general direction.

[@steverogers7601]

black belt or not, he can take your girlfriend and she'd be proud of it, all while drinking the beer in your fridge and then tapping you out just his pressure passing alone, and THEN you'd ask for more!!! Cheers from Iraq, brother!! /s

[@geoffraines5640]

Nah if Jocko didn’t train BJJ he’d just be a muscle head badass with experience in firearms and some very limited hand to hand combat. Big difference between ex navy seal muscle tough guy and high level black black belt navy seal muscle badass.

[@administrator7573]

@geoff raines- no use in feeling inadequate. No one knows who you are.

[@JesusChrist2000BC]

JP has more bodies than Jocko. Jocko is a fraud in the teams.

[@mr.skulls1416]

@@JesusChrist2000BC Evidence?

[@josuemartins4745]

Show de técnica dos monstros...

[@bvogel8999]

Outstanding fellas!!

[@richardremick1639]

That was awesome 👌 navyvseals are just scary man. Much respect 🙏

[@amenra13]

I'm pretty sure he could have easily swept him a 7th time, but he was looking for that overhead finale.

[@otallono]

he could have swept him 8 or 9 I think but like you said, putting the rest of his energy in to overhead

[@jamiewhitley8876]

I know nothing about this sport. However, I can say the guy in black got OWNED like big time….

[@louiejoe2533]

He won the bet but yes he is much worse at Jujitsu

[@TheBroozer11]

Awesome and sounded like it was for a good cause hats off to both men