Not that it matters but I did the calculation for the rough numbers you gave in the video. Calculated their density buoyancy and terminal velocity (for a range of reasonable drag coefficients if you're superman or feet first toothpick) in the water at 80lbs of gear. Basically, they can tread water BETTER THAN ANY HUMAN. But if no one in their chain of command can do math and the ladder is slippery they die... here's the rough numbers: Humans are nearly neutral buoyancy 1gram per cubic cm... 1g/cc... gear is metal and composite materials and is probably on average ~4g/cc-5g/cc. So a 6 foot 1g/cc 220lb seal carrying 80lbs of gear @ 5g/cc is going to have the equivalent density of a 300lb sandstone boulder... Throw that boulder overboard and watch how fast it sinks... it's a bit more than 3m/s or 10ft/s... In 5s you're between 30 ft and 50 ft (depending on your drag coefficient). If you pop your CO2 cartridge the second you hit the water by the time it inflates the vest you're already nearly at 30 ft a depth where the water pressure @+1atm means your floatation devices can only support about half the load... Meaning if you're wearing as much crap as those seals and you don't pop your cartridge A SECOND BEFORE you hit the water you're cutting straps @50ft and sinking. Better hope your knife skills are faster than your sink rate... in less than 10 seconds you're approaching pressures that are physiologically challenging. Recommend 3x the CO2...per vest... 1pull 2 pull 3pull design tougher seams on the vest... 4atm is 120psi... a bit dangerous if your vest pops... could be prevented by a blowoff valve that releases pressure as you rise (straightforward fitting low failurerate) ... FWIW I'm a physicist but only put 30min of research into this but it is feasible ... fwd to devgru or big navy if you know those guys. There's no reason this can't be made to work reliably with off the shelf tech. No reason any sailor should die under these circumstances in 2024. Heck multi pull systems would at least give you redundancy!
@Dev-In-Denver1236 күн бұрын
@@robmorgan1214All lies. I work with big gov, this is your one chance to stop spreading misinformation now. I’ll run and tell Poppa.
@JamesonsTravels25 күн бұрын
Jake bringing the receipts to an issue that needs attention....MILITARY LEADERSHIP
@jakezweig25 күн бұрын
you the man THANK YOU
@baqongroup805524 күн бұрын
facts
@WeeJasperVetClinic23 күн бұрын
Yes. You need to go do a live show at BUDS and see what is happening these days.
@mattjack398322 күн бұрын
Absolutely 💯
@penname838020 күн бұрын
Yo Jameson! o7
@JJReal-m7x25 күн бұрын
Clicked faster than a high schooler trying to go to BUDS with an 11 minute mile run 🔥
@MAGA-TapWater25 күн бұрын
As long as you watch enough jocko buy a fitness program and believe in your self !!!
@Ynkno25 күн бұрын
Lol
@Jonsfit25 күн бұрын
@@MAGA-TapWater😂😂
@internet_internet25 күн бұрын
Made me laugh
@kevinh911024 күн бұрын
@@MAGA-TapWater It works. Get fit. And the person who makes it through is the tenacious person who wants it more. When did you graduate BUD/S?
@hill_skills25 күн бұрын
This is why the Royal Navy started to use the Assault Troop Life Jacket. That can support a fully equipped Marine with a 120 pound bergan.
@saucejohnson986223 күн бұрын
I'm wondering if that's what the US Marines use too? This is what I don't understand, my co-worker was a US Marine, he dropped in the water from helicopters while wearing a full kit and he said the life jackets damn near made the top half of his ass cheeks above water, just enough to not topple over, while wearing all the gear with prop wash from the helicopter, do Navy Seals not have this?
@mogwaiman604819 күн бұрын
@@saucejohnson9862 my guess is that they didn't want the life jackets on while clearing the ship because they can get caught on objects.
@saucejohnson986217 күн бұрын
@@mogwaiman6048 My dad signed the check for the company that makes the life jackets for the Seals, they're packed in & about the size of your forearm, so much so it's like wearing suspenders (once they touch water they expand). Civilians can't even buy the current ones. That would be a lack of leadership if they were told they didn't need to wear them.
@princegobi599212 күн бұрын
@@saucejohnson9862they clearly did have them as they were found in the water
@FSons7 күн бұрын
@@princegobi5992were they wearing them or did they have them stored on their person? Shedding all your gear or hitting the water and scrambling to put them on can take a little bit, potentially a team leadership issue for not ensuring all the guys don’t have them on instead of just on hand. Finding them in the water and not finding them attached it sounds more like just having them stored and not on.
@cspdx1125 күн бұрын
I worked on crab boats in Alaska. The idea of jumping in to rescue someone was never considered
@KC-UT4rmAZ25 күн бұрын
It’s more of a helping your teammate/swim buddy mind set before even thinking about the dangerous conditions. He might have immediately just instinctively jumped in after his teammate without even thinking.
@Kh245625 күн бұрын
@@KC-UT4rmAZ No it's not instinct, it's called EGO.
@KC-UT4rmAZ24 күн бұрын
@@Kh2456 oh geeez
@SebastianA.W.24 күн бұрын
@@Kh2456 it's called beign a red blooded human. EGO is the self. this was a stupid but selfless act. do you even know the meaning of the words you type?
@Kh245624 күн бұрын
@@SebastianA.W. ego is the self? Bruh go read a little bit.
@TheBalderasFamily24 күн бұрын
Jake had me dying when he said “sometimes they get a little too capable and kill each other” 😂😂😂
@00j8024 күн бұрын
that was keynote speaker quality right there
@zabbok11 күн бұрын
LOL
@hospicenursingab25 күн бұрын
Jake you spoke to me thru this program. I'm not seal, marine or veteran. I'm 43 and you lit the fire under my arse to get my g.e.d thank you for just being you and showing the world how much more effort we all can put back into our lives.
@jakezweig25 күн бұрын
Thank you >>> GETTY UP
@Kq4hcuDan25 күн бұрын
You can do it, and get it carnalito.
@internet_internet25 күн бұрын
My uncle died at 43. Make sure you don’t. Godspeed, 43 year old!
@lesflynn445523 күн бұрын
You can definitely do it. You used correct spelling and punctuation in your post, which is better than many ppl in yt comments. I wish you all the best. You meet good ppl in the education system too. It's thoroughly worth the effort you put in
@The_Red_Off_Road20 күн бұрын
You get out what you put in to education. Be sure to make time to study at least 30 minutes a day! Best of luck
@rayjones9819Күн бұрын
Biggest fear is drowning. I'm in tears listening to this. Army vet here.
@joeschmuccatelli216725 күн бұрын
Infantry 101: If you are operating anywhere near water above your head, then everything in your ruck sack or assault ruck goes in a tightly tied off waterproof bag that is placed upside down in the ruck. The bigger the ruck sack, the more buoyancy you get.
@TheRealJohnnyCash25 күн бұрын
Facts!!
@LibCon198025 күн бұрын
True that!
@koden2423 күн бұрын
Exactly!
@DJF198523 күн бұрын
Yup.
@JoeRogansForehead23 күн бұрын
Navy seals are too cool too follow any common sense normal infantry rules . All the books and movies really got them thinking they are indestructible
@samiamgreeneggsandham758714 күн бұрын
This was painful to listen to. Painful to hear step by step how two men drowned, and painful to hear how the Seals became a clown show when doing what should be their bread and butter. Leadership heads should roll.
@hardcoretrout18 күн бұрын
You gotta ton of energy bruh! Thanks for breaking down the situation leading to these Men's deaths. Prays their loved ones have found peace.
@forrestconner340124 күн бұрын
The fact is Jake is correct: on a Ranger team, we continually train as one fall, you step forward and continue the fight, or you will be laying next to him; you have to have time to either kill the enemy or continue to suppress the enemy, to get the whole team in. He's right. We fight hard and play hard! Rangers lead the way
@LRRPFco5223 күн бұрын
The first thing they teach for patient care in SOCM/SFMS (Special Operations Combat Medic/Special Forces Medical Sergeant Course) was to return effective fire and even use bodies for limited cover if you could.
@tadroid385810 күн бұрын
While in the USCG our ship trained with Navy Seals during REFTRA (1984). I've never met a group of dudes wound-up tighter than they were back then, but they knew their business inside and out. They loved living on the edge.
@deltawhiskey152925 күн бұрын
Jake’s always giving you the FACTS, JACK! 🎯
@cellis511125 күн бұрын
and now i understand why jake has to be so tough on these young people calling him
@jakezweig25 күн бұрын
I did not think abou it that way
@bradytallant545225 күн бұрын
@@jakezweigI agree…… it’s definitely not for the faint of heart, keep the standards the standards and try to keep some young man alive!!!!
@The_Red_Off_Road20 күн бұрын
Hell yeah. It’s not a movie out there.
@2ndHandHero15 күн бұрын
LMAO! “Sometimes they get a little too capable and they kill each other.” Great video. I had to subscribe.
@jakezweig14 күн бұрын
Thank you for subscribing.
@KPVFarmer24 күн бұрын
Way to cover such a serious incident in a factual, humorous yet respectful analysis of this event. Well done, Jake!
@windell012118 күн бұрын
Good to see someone give insight and show the difference between a training environment and a real-world OP..
@TheColtLockwoodRealm24 күн бұрын
Jake just says it like it is. I hope he is a Father cus we need more Men and Dad's like this.
@brandithompson86425 күн бұрын
“That’s crazy, I was wearing Chuck Taylors”. 😂 Sold, you got a new subscriber! ❤
@jakezweig25 күн бұрын
Thanks for the sub!
@naturallytoasty55625 күн бұрын
Shit had me rollin with laughter 😆
@KGCARO2411 күн бұрын
The Chuck Taylor’s are all black. This has been standard footwear for ship ops for a while. Fits perfectly into fins and they dry quickly.
@LRS11B24 күн бұрын
Yo, Jake. Thank you for your service. America loves our Navy SEALs!
@benjaminlarson72928 күн бұрын
Thank you for looking after us! Everyone scared of politicians. Warriors like you need to run for office. Military Industrial Complex is running the military now. Take the power back my Brother!
@DJF198523 күн бұрын
This reminds me of Panama when the SEALs took a mission to execute an airfield seizure, a mission usually performed by Rangers. They took it, but took quite a few casualties. The point is the SEALs don’t train to take airfields. They do a lot but if you don’t train for it you will fuck shit up.
@jakezweig23 күн бұрын
Stupid walked down the runway
@vietrandy114 күн бұрын
From numerous conversations with those "in the know" Same thing when 2nd Rangers sent to rescue Marc Latrell. The SEALS were sent into a mission that Green Beret and / or 2nd Rangers are primarily trained for. The worst thing military can do is try to cover up mistakes. Mistakes are made and the culture has to learn from those mistakes.
@nike3000ca25 күн бұрын
Take massive cohones to call out your own community. Massive respect as always!
@jakezweig25 күн бұрын
Much appreciated
@andrewcanady664424 күн бұрын
Units have to police themselves. Find their weaknesses before the enemy does. This principle is not employed by many leaders, though.
@MikeCarr0723 күн бұрын
Regular Navy guy, part of VBSS team, we had some training nothing close to Seal Training, we were out there boarding ships in our coveralls, boon dockers and weapons. Not that much weight but climbing up the side of a ship from a zodiac on a rope ladder in rough seas in the Persian Gulf makes you think about your life choices, thankfully we never had any accidents. I can’t imagine being loaded down with a bunch of gear.
@grizzlygrizzle23 күн бұрын
Just a blue-collar guy here who's probably spent years on a ladder, in net hours actually on the ladder. Contractors' and DIYers' ladders are leaned up against a building, so that your center of gravity is directly above the rung you're standing on. A rope ladder, aside from moving around, hangs vertically, so that your center of gravity is out over air. OVER AIR. HUGE DIFFERENCE. Carrying 80 lbs. up a standard ladder, you can lean into the ladder, and just keep pushing with your legs, like going up really steep stairs with a hand rail for guidance. With a vertical ladder, and especially a rope ladder, you cannot just stand on a rung in any normal kind of standing. Instead of really steep stairs, it's more like rock climbing. Now, imagine that the rocks are moving. -- I just posted this for the guys who have some normal-ladder experience and think this rope ladder is the same thing. -- When I was carrying 80 lbs. up a ladder, it was mostly on my shoulder (a bundle of roof shingles). Putting it in a rucksack locates it away from the ladder and moves the center of gravity away from a vertical ladder. This adds to the strength and control required to make it to the top. -- Yeah, training is definitely required to prepare for this kind of stuff. And for anyone with a susceptibility to vertigo, at least every few months. The vertigo can go away (mostly) in about 3 or 4 weeks of working at height, but after 6-12 months without it, it comes right back. Swooning on a ladder is not a good thing.
@jjdbzfan1825 күн бұрын
You ain’t never lie about rolling the dice 72 hour water detox and pray you ain’t on the list that morning.
@JoeMama-qd4iu25 күн бұрын
Definitely a knowledgeable critique of what went wrong.
@SheepdogColumbus3 күн бұрын
Damn man this was a great video and brought a lot of understanding to this sad event. Oddly enough, the biggest thing I took away from this was "and women think they can serve in special forces". The most capable women are just beginning to be as capable as the least capable men. The one fellow who fell was a damn shame, the second fellow who jumped in after him was a damn tragedy. My best to their families. I hope they remember their men died doing what they loved and there is not a more appropriate death than that which is more likely to happen, due to the circumstances and voluntary actions, bravely taken on by men who willingly place themselves in positions most men would avoid. They should be proud.
@jakezweig3 күн бұрын
Thank you
@robertlight20073 күн бұрын
The real op is coming up from the stern of the ship underway. With gear on and a ladder that is like climbing a carnival trick ladder. Always dark-thirty and sometimes in rainy weather. It’s harder than you think.
@k5384725 күн бұрын
The USCG incident mentioned in the report said that the CG guys involved needed two hands to activate the flotation units despite it being a supposedly a one-hand system. And at least one flotation unit was found to be missing the CO2 cannister after CG incident. USCG switched to a different vendor system afterwards.
@ShimitBlast12 күн бұрын
Thank you for an illuminated perspective on "the Man's" explanation. Thank you for your service.
@saljablo276725 күн бұрын
I did 6 years in the ranger regiment. PEDs weren’t crazy out in the open, but you knew where to ask if you wanted in.
@michaelbrooker704323 күн бұрын
"If you aren't cheating you aren't trying, if you get caught you weren't trying hard enough." - The Leadership
@bradytallant545225 күн бұрын
Thank you Jake…… i appreciate your honesty in assessing this event! Keep up the great work!!!!
@KansaSCaymanS25 күн бұрын
Thanks for reviewing and providing your perspective on this. There are some conspiracy theorists out there who don’t believe that they drowned, but were killed on some secret op in Ukraine or other nonsense. I remember when 4 SEALs drowned parachuting into rough seas during the invasion of Grenada. When I asked a former SEAL how that could happen he told me that given the sea conditions, at night, with their equipment load, they never should have attempted that insertion to begin with. 💩 happens even to the best of the best. RIP.
@BlackDragonNationalPresident5 күн бұрын
I had one Navy diver in trouble off my submarine. The other diver cut his safety line and went in after him. Wound up having to save them both. You are right, if it is going to drown one it most likely will drown the other.
@rnyce467623 күн бұрын
I had NOOOO idea VBSS was THAT dangerous. Thanks for giving us the inside perspective!!ZWEIG LIFE DAMNIT!!! LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOO
@556MSL17 сағат бұрын
I’m furious. This is absolutely unacceptable. This should end some careers IMHO. I would never send my team into a situation that dangerous and technical without practice and good reason to believe they were ready. This is a big problem
@556MSL16 сағат бұрын
They never should have tried this with a rolling sea . Once the target ship was still in the chop it would have been obviously a no. Somebody dropped the ball
@yuk626022 күн бұрын
Jake has the best metaphor's... & speaks the truth....
@ichito3215 күн бұрын
Man that Halogen tool is so versatile it’s a necessity for back up when breaching. Spent time as a combat engineer
@irishcoffee541225 күн бұрын
Seal dangers in order 1. Ship boarding 2. Diving 3. HALO. Always remember more guys have died in training than combat.
@AmusedPassport-ec1lv2 күн бұрын
all that training and still panicked. he probably could hold his breath 4 minutes and immediately drowned instead of calmly taking off his gear and surfacing
@27dforce5 күн бұрын
RIP warriors! Again, I was a cop detective in a crime-ridden city. And we almost got shot one night by this juiced up dude because we got complacent ! After fighting for that mac10, never happened again. We all get complacent and even the best in the world do! Sad, very sad.
@williejamesrose22 күн бұрын
Jake. You keep it so real. That looks so dangerous bro.
@jasonb301914 күн бұрын
Dealing with one casualty by creating another casualty is exactly why you don't immediately run to someone who has been hit or jump into the water after a guy who is drowning. You do no favors by putting yourself into a situation where you also need to be rescued.
@thomasgentry62013 күн бұрын
72C Rescue swimmer instructor at FTC San Diego in 90s. Seals Dont swim they Dive! Seals no joke not normally great swimmers used to help improve skills at NAVSTA 32nd st. pool. RIP Shipmates.
@Ryanboy202025 күн бұрын
My man Jake bringin the wisdom bomb on this one! We ain't fallen for no banana in the tail pipe bro. Shitttt...BBL in Bahrain had me rolling😂😂
@jakezweig25 күн бұрын
LOL 😆
@justinhalethesenuts776925 күн бұрын
Taylor Cavanaugh shared his experience on team 5 I believe. He said he was doing protection detail for Barack O'drama down in Mexico. He said he slipped on the side of the rib in full kit. Almost drowned, but luckily another team member pulled him out the water. God bless 🙏
@StarDust-vm1qs24 күн бұрын
Team 7
@jimpowell229623 күн бұрын
You have to remember that with SEALS, during BUDS they have a swim buddy. If one went in the water to help the other it was a taught reaction. Just sayin.
@DJ-ch3rk25 күн бұрын
You stay killing it @jakezweig.
@Redtopper0217 күн бұрын
Tip for the Seals in the future. If the vessel has a pilot ladder already over the side, take that. No need for your ladder. And if you are carrying too much gear, you drown at sea esp at night. Over 11 years in the US merchant marine.
@rwdchannel290125 күн бұрын
I couldn't imagine jumping in the water with all the gear I had on. I was an Avenger Crewmember in the 101st Airborne. At minimum I had to carry 85 pounds of gear, but at maximum I had to carry 120 pounds of gear(helmet = 4 pounds, Interceptor Body Armor = 16.4 pounds, Canteen of water full = 2 pounds, 7 magazines 5.56 ammo full = 6.6 pounds, M4 Rifle = 6.4 pounds, Rucksack weight = 50 pounds, Stinger Missile = 35 pounds. Add in boots and uniforms for around 120 pounds). If I jumped in the water with that stuff on I'd be going straight to the bottom. I had to do 12 mile road marches in less than 3 hours carrying that gear.
@jakezweig25 күн бұрын
yah man a bit crazy
@rwdchannel290125 күн бұрын
@@jakezweig I jumped off the back of a delivery truck full of wood in Kosovo and was only wearing Inceptor Body Armor, helmet, rifle, and 7 mags full of ammo. When I landed on the ground the weight from the vest and the ammo drove my legs into the ground and I ended up sitting on my butt. I'm lucky I didn't break anything.
@jons7e25 күн бұрын
I've heard more guys die in training than missions. If you go hard, you got to train hard, ... the water is not a forgiving, whether you're downrange or not.
@kevinh911024 күн бұрын
This was not training, it was a mission
@KINGRODP19 күн бұрын
Yes it's true. CNN did a study on it.
@charlesalvin43186 күн бұрын
When i was in from 84 to 2004, it was 90 at sea earned a Steel Beach picnic and you got 2 beers. Not every 21 days. However, in the British & Austrailian Navies, they got 2 pints A DAY after duty.
@noosphericaltarzan24 күн бұрын
This entire country is suffering the greatest leadership vacuum since 1775.
@jimmyjam545310 күн бұрын
Why?
@BillyBob-wq9fl7 күн бұрын
@@jimmyjam5453planned out long term warfare against us.
@ReneMacias19784 күн бұрын
Reading the article it's pretty clear that the spin machine is in full swing! The brass is playing the usual bullshit tune. No one will get fired.
@dr.haroldlee91325 күн бұрын
Great insight. Keeping it real!
@BlackDragonNationalPresident5 күн бұрын
What an excellent and informative video. Subscribed!
@jakezweig5 күн бұрын
Welcome aboard!
@AARRAcer21 күн бұрын
True, I was a regular troop, went to war and all, but when you see any SF operators come in the area, we all moved the fuck back and let them pass. These dudes are putting themselves into shit that 99% of men wouldn’t or couldn’t ever imagine doing.
@vietrandy114 күн бұрын
Outstanding summary Jake.
@jakezweig8 күн бұрын
thankyou
@lesflynn445523 күн бұрын
"Don't fall for the banana in the tailpipe!" 😂 That's pretty good mate.
@selwynhingston948425 күн бұрын
Thanks for the video Jake keep up the awesome work
@mogwaiman604819 күн бұрын
It seems that SEALS are having to adjust back to their roots now that GWOT is over, unfortunately this a lesson learned the hard way.
@jakezweig18 күн бұрын
Yes sir
@ironmnsar14 күн бұрын
Since 1992 in the US Navy, you are authorized 2 beers UW after being out to sea for 45 days or more contingent on flt cdr approval. MN1(SW/SAR) retired
@timfronimos45925 күн бұрын
I wish I had somebody like Jake back in 1989 when I was in service. Sometime I will contact you tell my story.
@nikolasbbq25 күн бұрын
Top fucking notch coverage and commentary. One of the best commentary videos ever.
@jakezweig25 күн бұрын
Thank you
@markadkins929025 күн бұрын
Absolutely
@DaveDaDeerslayer21 күн бұрын
I was a regular sailor, Firecontrolman, doing VBSS ops in the red sea in 92. Only in daylight and that ship had to have a Jacobs ladder out for us to climb. It was a bitch with all your gear on. RIP Brothers.
@StevenGaetani23 күн бұрын
Thanks Jake, wish you were my First Sargent !!! Veteran 2/504, 82nd Airborne Division!!!🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸💪👍👍
@cheawalker18 күн бұрын
Don’t fall for the banana in the tail pipe, just took me out, I hit the floor. Eddy Murphy greatest line 😂😂😂🤣
@standalonezero745522 күн бұрын
Alcohol in any warrior culture…. Is a crutch and yes I’d love to talk about this more I think this is a good forum for it
@jakezweig21 күн бұрын
Agreed
@markellis26756 күн бұрын
I climbed a cable ladder once in training in day time. I thought "I hope I never have to do this for real." I'd rather fast rope down anytime.
@jakezweig6 күн бұрын
Always fast rope over hook and climb
@Dev-In-Denver1236 күн бұрын
2:23 NINTH dui on a bicycle crashing into the gate 😂😂😂. Yea I think it’s safe to say they let these guys do whatever the hell they want until it’s too embarrassing to cover up 😂
@troy573115 күн бұрын
This guy.....here's the problem, he speaks a lot of truth and has the swag, so young guys try to emulate him but instead of focusing on the points about practicing in situations closely resembling the conditions you'll actually be operating in and all the other excellent points...not "gun decking" chit etc. They hear him blowing off the drug issue (Whether it's the work hard, play hard, or the PED issue doesn't really matter.)...and so they adopt that mentality and next thing they know they're covering for someone, and then someone's not doing their job and then, as a leader, it's time for them to do something about it but they CAN'T because that guy they want to discipline has the goods on them...turns out,..in the command's eyes, the whole unit is dirty. Sometimes it never comes up because everyone has it under control enough but that's based on luck, the chit can blow up in a hurry. Anyone who doesn't know that hasn't been in command of anything very long. Maybe a couple of platoons and the fires were small enough to put out but.....don't extrapolate that to a philosophy.
@jakezweig15 күн бұрын
Ok my guys are clean, so you must be new .... do you think that the NFL as a PED issue?
@kevinm8865Күн бұрын
@@jakezweig Your redirection to PEDs use in professional football is a bit odd. Also, who would admit their guys are "dirty", on a public forum. I don't know you or your men but the fact that you're commercializing your military service shows me you more interested in self promotion and personal gain than keeping US military operations clandestine. In my experience, the vets who openly do that seem less driven by values and would therefore be more likely to overlook things they can sweep under the rug. You know, the career types who will do and say anything to move up.
@Jor-El-Earth123 күн бұрын
Sounds like TFSS is trash. Too much gear. The gear fairy needs to go far far away when you are in the deep blue sea. I'm old as F and we did VBSS in Recon. We were near slick. Gun and ammo. F the rest. Breaching gear came up in a dry bag via a rope. We just had UDT vest back then so you had to be able to ditch your gear. I still remember pre checks and we all had to strip our gear off in seconds. Even in training it was scary shit. If you fall and hit something and go unconscious...you are going to the bottom. Great overview of what happened. Thanks.
@mixmix148712 күн бұрын
I was an 0321 man attached to a MAGTF and our VBSS training was damn near non existent. Yes, we were deployed a lot in the GWOT but we had plenty of time to train. Non existent. Leadership was lacking at the time as well. Then one day they were like, we might have to catch a ride (46) and then a hook and climb to a potentially hijacked or abandoned ship. We were like, can we just fast rope in cuz our bat grappling hooks are in the shop. Thank goodness it was called off, boarding ships we were super unprepared for.
@markadkins929025 күн бұрын
I love this guy! Great stuff, nothing but facts. I'm glad I found your channel, thanks to fellow Marine JT.
@jakezweig25 күн бұрын
Welcome to the PARTY
@markadkins929025 күн бұрын
@@jakezweig No doubt
@internet_internet25 күн бұрын
Chuck Taylors during VBSS is straight up on-the-job wisdom. I wear thin yet durable adidas skate shoes for almost all of my laborious work (not for exercise other than lifting, although I did run 9 miles in a pair once)
@joshualittle87725 күн бұрын
They have Altima Maritime boots now they look just like Green Chuck Taylor's amazing someone was paying attention( I own a set)
@Jazzman-bj9fq23 күн бұрын
I agree with you 100%. The issue of the deaths of the SEALs, Godspeed to the heroes, is totally separate to any other 'discipline' issues they wanna bring up like PEDs, alcohol, unauthorized surgeries, etc. Bottom line on the deaths is lack of training which is essentially the failure of leadership, that's why officers get paid the big bucks or at least one of the reasons... On the alcohol use, military men are going to find a way. They lead a dangerous lifestyle even down to the support troops/sailors/airmen/marines. As you know, several servicemen/women die each year in mundane training events or ranges whathave you. The lifestyle of a military man or woman is dangerous, no matter what their specific job so let's not try to make them into monks and nuns, if you're gonna be hard you're gonna live hard. Of course just like anything when you get into abuse then that's a problem. DUI's should be a nonstarter because that shows a lack of judgement so be it but again if you want a military with capable folks then cut them some slack within reason. On PEDs, when you look at the Special Warfare guys, we as a nation and a military ask them to be above and beyond the normal human, that's a fact. So why would we hold them to one standard as far as their capability then hamstring them in an absolutist manner? I say bullshit... The military mantra that's been in existence probably much longer than we think, "If ya ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'!" These guys are gonna win engagements, battles and wars by hook or by crook (and will lose some too) because we train them to win at nearly all costs. I don't see any problem if they want a physical edge because like you say, football players, Olympic athletes and others use PEDs because of an edge they can get in strength, endurance and recovery. Athletes do what they do for money and opportunity, there is NO threat to life and safety however our military is given the task to be out front when there is danger. American culture exists with conflicting values... What want and expect our military to be winners but we also expect them to be saints. I don't see a reason for PEDs in civilian efforts like athletics but for a guy who is expected to run into gunfights for my behalf to keep me and my family safe and the nation, using PEDs is not even close to the worst behavior they could do. To me one of the biggest cheats now in athletics is men 'converting' to female to be able to whoop up on women, win medals and other accolades but for some reason our society doesn't see it for what it is. If we allow that gender switching to be legal in controlled sports then why oh why would we expect our military guys, our Spec Warfare guys especially not to use an advantage but be able to do the superman sh*t that they are called to? Doesn't make any damn sense. Maybe the Department of the Navy should consult with other effective Western powers who field Spec Warfare (like the SAS for example) and see what they use for their flotation devices, seems like common sense to me because what these guys here are using don't seem to be nearly effective for the purpose they're used for.
@fowchiiiliedpuppiesdied25 күн бұрын
Thanks for covering this stuff. This is amazing. Shocking. Heartbreaking. Don’t join the military, people. The leadership is warped beyond comprehension.
@andrewcanady664425 күн бұрын
If you have a calibrated eye and walk around any Navy base, you’ll see that leadership cannot accomplish the basics of being squared away. That’s a fact. Trash everywhere, unsatness everywhere, fat and weak Sailors. Weakness is authorized in the ranks. It’s true.
@lpg1233824 күн бұрын
Sad, but true...
@REB444423 күн бұрын
Bullsh*T!! This isn't just on the leadership, ALL the subordinates in that unit KNEW they were faking the training because they were just as irresponsible & lazy too. It's the WHOLE damn Navy SEAL culture that has been corrupted for decades now. It's like ONLY blaming the CEO of an airline because some mechanics FAKED maintenance records on work THEY failed to do on an airplane. The little guy is just as much to blame for falsifying the records as the CEO for not enforcing vigilance.
@hankl689718 күн бұрын
Lite gear---bring the rest up another rope---life gear activate float tastion left shoulder hook release ?
@spencereiesland608322 күн бұрын
I am just an EN2 but your points speak volumes. Control the casualty, or in this case establish dominance of the vessel. But then slow it down. It would have took seconds to put a line on then as they were climbing
@AirInBlood15 күн бұрын
Thank you for the valuable information.
@Sonofagreatdad2 күн бұрын
he is not lying. there are times you could jump from the boat to the ship. it is really hard. and i did it in just a life jacket
@ZaboombaFOO11 күн бұрын
DONT FALL FOR THE BANANA IN THE TAIL PIPE!!! Bruh I dieeed LMAOOOO
@barlow237725 күн бұрын
Thanks Jake
@nyl0n11 күн бұрын
The floatation device needs to be separate from your plate carrier and worn as a base harness under all your kit. The armor carrier needs to have quick release functionality. Whether thats one buckle on the shoulder strap, and one on the cummerbund orrrr the old skool eagle Ciras that had the wire pull. The floatation device should be able to float you with your battle belt, weapon, and helmet/nods. & every Helmet needs to have an IR strobe/emitter.
@mc-qx6ue11 күн бұрын
They make VERY compact floatation devices nowadays. Get with technology “leaders of the free world” and “most sophisticated & elite warriors of the world”.
@pacthesharwell359814 күн бұрын
O.I.C. Great content
@mcoop846418 күн бұрын
Frogs used to be silent warriors. Now, whenever a seal is lost all of his "buddies" come out of the woodwork to throw them under the bus and pound their own chest. Should try to get a book deal or get on CNN.
@orangeremediation533512 күн бұрын
This is why I Fuk with Jake! Great reporting brother! This young man keeps me motivated! Which allows me to motivate other Ole Corps Dudes! 78’-84’ Semper Fi
@lpg1233824 күн бұрын
Good video, thanks for sharing, subscribed! Came over from Jamesons Travels KZbin Channel.
@jakezweig24 күн бұрын
Thanks for coming
@Ianwashere-o7o7 күн бұрын
The image of a Navy seal going to bahrain to get a bbl is so damn funny to me
@MyTruth177122 күн бұрын
Navy is gonna mess around and get the SEAL mission moved to the Marine Corps...
@maxngeorgia814123 күн бұрын
Confused how the guys got cleared without doing it, but their first Time to be @ Night is crazy ! Deadly sad too.
@genedevine13 күн бұрын
I’m not military but my family is, pops was navy. I’m a diver…first thing to when in trouble drop weights I wonder if there is a somewhat similar option for navy seals? That’s really some bad stuff, I hate hearing about people drowning right in front so many people. I know quick, inclement conditions but jeezus’.
@joeschmuccatelli216725 күн бұрын
The 18X program in the Army is plainly asinine. The graduates are too immature, inexperienced and usually very arrogant. In the old days you had to be E-5 promotable to go to selection(SFAS). The Seals have the same problem. The Navy ought to send potential Seal recruits over to the Marines or the Army for a three year combat arms enlistment. They should also be at least E-5 promotable when they are discharged. Problem solved.
@itzsmejw25 күн бұрын
Interesting
@fredred503725 күн бұрын
Young immature guys only thrive as Army Rangers 😂
@tomwilson100625 күн бұрын
They want young kids that aren’t wise to the system yet bcuz they are easily fooled, and they can mould them to the way they want, before they can realize that their govt snookered them.
@NastyNate18B24 күн бұрын
As someone who completed the 18xray program you’re spot on Granted most guys who get to SFAS are usually 25+ it’s still a big spot to fill for a civ. But once they make it thru selection and pass they’re usually the right guy.
@josephsmith677724 күн бұрын
S.f. babies are 100% a problem
@maxngeorgia814123 күн бұрын
Great intel & footage too Jake !
@rightwinggunnut125 күн бұрын
Get em JZ…spittin truth
@jakezweig25 күн бұрын
We trying
@Patriotx-gx4ce25 күн бұрын
I was on doctor prescroned TRT while in US Amrny infantry. I was a wild man before it actually calmed me down and made my levels be normal which in return made me perform and recover better with a lot of protein, calories and hard training. Media has no idea what "PED" is vs TRT and to have that mentioned in article about this incident especially their flawed buzz word "PED's" to make it sound soldiers are somehow bad and we don't have random drug tests. Media is a pure grbge these days. After watching what Norwegian Unit does in Baltic seas ans their training as they are called frog man, made me realize how difficult climbing these snall ledders is with all that gear on. I was in Mountain Battalion and our speciality was climbing rocks and imposisble cliffs so i know bit about how difficult this is. As infantry soldier retired now my condolences to families
@radking711521 күн бұрын
A quick draw competition in a convex box😂. Jesus Christ who was that lol?
@521Life8 күн бұрын
I agree! No experience in this field, but I’d think going in that if you’re training as a Seal or any SOP, then you’re already prepared to die.
@backpages122 күн бұрын
Good show, thanks for your service, RIPx2
@jakezweig22 күн бұрын
Thanks, it is a shame
@elementtestdianhua129225 күн бұрын
FIRE! A suggestion though! Go a bit slower man! You talking like mg42 machine gun on topics that are REALLY interesting. I. E. Hook and ladder on the boat. Wearing chuck Taylor's for a ship raid. Surgery.. I had to replay it back three times because you were talking too fast. Slow it down you got a really good story Jake we all wanna hear!
@jakezweig24 күн бұрын
Gotcha man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@bradmarcum292716 күн бұрын
Try the playback speed. You can slow the video down.