Can the Average Gamer See More than 60Hz??? NCIX Tech Tips

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NCIX Tech Tips

NCIX Tech Tips

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Part 2: • Can Linus See More tha...
Ever wondered how many FPS the human eye can see? We found an average gamer and put him in front of a 60Hz monitor and a 120Hz monitor to see if he could tell the difference in a blind taste test!
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@DerKrazyKrautGaming
@DerKrazyKrautGaming 9 жыл бұрын
Do an episode where it's a console Peasant trying to distinguish 15 fps from 30 fps
@THEisaacG
@THEisaacG 9 жыл бұрын
haha
@electricforest17
@electricforest17 8 жыл бұрын
+Der Krazy Kraut XDDDD
@evilparadigm
@evilparadigm 8 жыл бұрын
+Der Krazy Kraut Make a comment about consoles that isn't incredibly condescending. Yes I'm a PC gamer... and a console gamer.
@GtaFreakZ
@GtaFreakZ 8 жыл бұрын
+Evil Paradigm fuck off peasant
@SoupySoapySad
@SoupySoapySad 8 жыл бұрын
+Der Krazy Kraut anyone, wither it be movie fanatics, only console players, only pc players or someone who plays both can distinguish anything below 30fps (if having at least a modest reference point)
@TheFreezeChill
@TheFreezeChill 10 жыл бұрын
How the fuck do you want to see a difference between 60 and 120 Hz if the game just runs 80 fps in "not-doing-anythjng"? That means the fps drop at least to 70-65 while shooting what makes a difference of 5-10 pictures per second. Just a robot would be able to notice that. You should have choosen Counter-Strike for testing...
@GamerCheatsForAll
@GamerCheatsForAll 10 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah, Counter-Strike, such a good testing game! /sarcasm.
@Koolkid736
@Koolkid736 10 жыл бұрын
GamerCheatsForAll what do you mean sarcasm? it WOULD be perfect.
@GamerCheatsForAll
@GamerCheatsForAll 10 жыл бұрын
Cody You forgot the "/sarcasm".
@Koolkid736
@Koolkid736 10 жыл бұрын
GamerCheatsForAll you forgot the "what do you mean sarcasm?"
@GamerCheatsForAll
@GamerCheatsForAll 10 жыл бұрын
Cody Its whatever you make it out to be. /sarcasm.
@weirdwurstLP
@weirdwurstLP 8 жыл бұрын
15 fps is obviously the most cinematic experience :^)
@buildusarocket3410
@buildusarocket3410 8 жыл бұрын
who ever finished bloodborne during the first week of its release definitely cant see above 5fps.
@phantasiai
@phantasiai 8 жыл бұрын
Nah man, .01 fps is.
@weirdwurstLP
@weirdwurstLP 8 жыл бұрын
Jeffry Maiato PS4@1080p is obviously the most cinematic experience with its glorious 1 frame per universal life cycle. Im so thrilled to see what the next frame is going to look like, see you guys after the next big bang!
@strandedcat8598
@strandedcat8598 7 жыл бұрын
1 fps is obviously the most slideshow-ish experience
@harshupadhayay5520
@harshupadhayay5520 6 жыл бұрын
Console peasant
@raph89117
@raph89117 8 жыл бұрын
if you dont have the fps to back up that refresh rate its pretty much pointless to try and see the difference..
@rundan8620
@rundan8620 8 жыл бұрын
yes thats true, how do we know if the game was consistently getting over 120fps the whole time.
@littlearvin1641
@littlearvin1641 8 жыл бұрын
Yeah after all, it actually didn't even got to 90fps while it was still in 60fps lol
@coco2960
@coco2960 8 жыл бұрын
have a fps monitor? I think he should have put it up so we could know if it was consistent
@miguelmsilva4112
@miguelmsilva4112 8 жыл бұрын
fps monitor?
@RumblyGreenEarth
@RumblyGreenEarth 7 жыл бұрын
Fraps is running
@DamnitRoman
@DamnitRoman 9 жыл бұрын
This is such a pointless video.. what's the point of using a 120hz monitor if your GPU only gets 84fps while looking at the floor? He should have had 3 of those 680s in SLI..
@philpyung4831
@philpyung4831 9 жыл бұрын
That's what everybody is pointing out. It's an amazingly stupid test. Of course you can't tell if it's 60 or 120 if the framerate isn't actually going up to or near 120.
@philpyung4831
@philpyung4831 9 жыл бұрын
***** Switching the Hz makes no difference if the FPS doesn't go up too. IF the FPS went up to 120 from 60, and the monitor was 120 Hz, then ANYBODY could see the difference.
@DamnitRoman
@DamnitRoman 9 жыл бұрын
***** You're new to computers, aren't you?
@philpyung4831
@philpyung4831 9 жыл бұрын
***** You can't see the difference in 60 and 120 Hz if the game is running at 60 the entire time. There isn't a difference. I honestly don't understand why you think there would be.
@Ponlets
@Ponlets 9 жыл бұрын
Philp Yung I saw a difference in the 4K TVs from 60 and 120 FPS when I was at frys and this "cant tell the difference" crap is the same crap we had when youtube only hade 30fps video and PC gamers were all like YOU CAN TELL BETEWWN 60 AND 30 its the same thing with 120HZ and 60HZ you can but its because its not readily available to every one there will be nay-sayers like back in the 30FPS capped days
@CagedWalnut
@CagedWalnut 10 жыл бұрын
>Telling him how to play the game >Average gamer the fuck is this
@Vtrontv
@Vtrontv 10 жыл бұрын
he is just guiding him so he wont waste much time roaming and figuring out. and he selected the one who don't have any idea about the game, its intensity,fps, so that we might think that he is guessing good b'cuz of experience. and he is a average gamer you can see his shooting and hiding skills !
@mursie100
@mursie100 10 жыл бұрын
wow, so guiding someone to a certain path is considered "telling him how to play" now ?
@Vtrontv
@Vtrontv 10 жыл бұрын
mursie100 i guess not
@merrickx
@merrickx 10 жыл бұрын
***** Then that wouldn't make him "average". The term we're looking for here might be "casual".
@partygrunt64
@partygrunt64 10 жыл бұрын
Merrick Smith Casual gamers are the average gamer...
@endless8936
@endless8936 9 жыл бұрын
"30 FPS = Cinematic" -Ubisoft~
@ISXOVER
@ISXOVER 9 жыл бұрын
Paulo Henrique "15 FPS = Photographic" -Ubisoft~ Unity
@ianvids4867
@ianvids4867 9 жыл бұрын
Andre Oliva "5 FPS = sliding through a picture in phone"
@pezpeculiar9557
@pezpeculiar9557 9 жыл бұрын
Lmao that is funny xD
@Dom-ue2qb
@Dom-ue2qb 9 жыл бұрын
Paulo Henrique Still made The Division trailer sexy as fuck
@ktfjulien
@ktfjulien 9 жыл бұрын
Paulo Henrique Well, movies at the "cinema" run at 24 fps. ;)
@BirdEgg123
@BirdEgg123 8 жыл бұрын
A console peasant told me once that the human eye can only see 24fps.
@bongogd1774
@bongogd1774 8 жыл бұрын
Fucking idiot
@bigbertha1445
@bigbertha1445 8 жыл бұрын
That peasant is indeed an idiot...
@BirdEgg123
@BirdEgg123 8 жыл бұрын
***** and then he continued that 30fps adds motion blur
@aski33
@aski33 8 жыл бұрын
hur dur pc is best
@bongogd1774
@bongogd1774 8 жыл бұрын
Starzski Yeah it is lol
@obitoe3766
@obitoe3766 10 жыл бұрын
If nobody can tell the difference between 60-144hz they're blind as fuck. I own a 144hz monitor. And I will never go back to a 60hz monitor
@lekoro1
@lekoro1 10 жыл бұрын
and that's why i'm not going to get something more than a 60 hz monitor I cannot afford to upgrade my computer much so if I get used to 120 or 144 frames a second it will be difficult to player newer games that my computer can only run at 60fps
@lekoro1
@lekoro1 10 жыл бұрын
^ exactly and anyway at the moment it seems that most devs are aiming to get 60 on the common high end equipment (7970 - R9 290X and NVidia equivalent) and not bother to think about higher frames leaving people on 120/144hz monitors stuck at what they think are sub par frames unless they spend loads of money on a lot of high end equipment tl;dr 120/144hz are still pretty much only available to people with lots of money because there are very few devs who try and make their game run at that on your standard hardware (I apologise for any mistakes or things that do not make much sense/ sound a bit strange i'm not too good at writing down what goes on in my head ;_;)
@pentiumradeon
@pentiumradeon 10 жыл бұрын
***** so? its not like youre gonna live in a future where 60fps monitors are the only thing available lol or maybe you are a time traveller?
@pentiumradeon
@pentiumradeon 10 жыл бұрын
***** you say the only thing stopping you is that once you go there you cant go back, its like saying i still watch tv in a 480i tube, because once you go 1080p you cant go back
@pentiumradeon
@pentiumradeon 10 жыл бұрын
***** i am a tech-head, I know exactly what Im talking about, I would bet my money I know much much more than you do as I keep up with technology daily as well as own cutting edge equipment, as well as being an avid pc gamer, it is you who seems to be resorting to personal attacks for some strange reason, as you probably realize what an idiotic thing you said.
@360ModsandHacks
@360ModsandHacks 10 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure the "average" gamer has played battlefield before.
@SingleMaltEU
@SingleMaltEU 10 жыл бұрын
nope never,no time,gotta hit challenger in league of legends.
@CouldUseARide
@CouldUseARide 10 жыл бұрын
Vanja Jablanski LOL
@SingleMaltEU
@SingleMaltEU 10 жыл бұрын
Nabil Miri Diamond 1 and climbing :) Challenger soon,sooooooon!!!
@sttate
@sttate 10 жыл бұрын
Vanja Jablanski M8 I'm bronze 6 1v1 me I rek u. In all seriousness, I find it quite funny that some people think BF and CoD are the current 'big thing' when LoL is literally the most popular game of all time.
@sttate
@sttate 10 жыл бұрын
TheMeow7410 Cheers mate.
@Treblaine
@Treblaine 10 жыл бұрын
May have been 120hz... but was it actually 120fps? At the beginning you can see the game idling at 84fps.
@Treblaine
@Treblaine 10 жыл бұрын
***** Timestamp. What are you referring to.
@Treblaine
@Treblaine 10 жыл бұрын
***** You little shit. Only when he looks AT THE FLOOR! A single low res polygon... It fell back to barely over 60fps when staring at an empty scene with no allies, no enemies and no particle effect. You have a right to express yourself, but it is a privilege to ride on my comment, a privilege you have squandered. You are banned from replying to me, you and your children and your children's children! For three months.
@F1zzzy90
@F1zzzy90 10 жыл бұрын
Treblaine Well, that escalated quickly.
@Treblaine
@Treblaine 10 жыл бұрын
F1zzzy90 He was good troll. I think he had a good laugh out of it. PS: can you view his comments? I can but I don't know if that's just because it's my account.
@evvo123
@evvo123 10 жыл бұрын
I made this point on the next video where Linus tests himself. You're completely right, of course, and it's staggering how many people are utterly clueless on this. The test is rendered entirely redundant by the fact he doesn't run with a steady 120FPS+.
@SamJamProductionz
@SamJamProductionz 9 жыл бұрын
Love how he double tapped 'W' to sprint. Wonder what game does that??
@Mebble
@Mebble 9 жыл бұрын
+SammyJammy52 - Daily Gaming Videos! XD
@babaganoush2314
@babaganoush2314 9 жыл бұрын
Minecraft
@magzthepro
@magzthepro 8 жыл бұрын
What others said and A.V.A
@paulandreasallik
@paulandreasallik 8 жыл бұрын
ouch xD
@AzaPattaz
@AzaPattaz 8 жыл бұрын
+БОСНА ЈЕ СРПСКА 〈3〈3〈3 xD
@klooger28
@klooger28 10 жыл бұрын
When i got my 144hz monitor i tested 60hz 75hz 120hz and 144hz, and i could tell the difference between both of them. 144 and 120 were pretty close though
@klooger28
@klooger28 10 жыл бұрын
Connor Frost between 120 and 144 id be inclined to beleive you since the difference if any was so small i could hardly tell, but from 60 or 75 up to 120 was huge, i dont think i can go back to 60hz anymore lol
@-morrow
@-morrow 10 жыл бұрын
but i hope you your frame rate was at least past 120?
@klooger28
@klooger28 10 жыл бұрын
morrow ??? im not THAT stupid, of course i was testing it on a game where i can easily get 300+ fps
@-morrow
@-morrow 10 жыл бұрын
don't take it personally, i dont' know you and one can never be sure on the internet ;-)
@klooger28
@klooger28 10 жыл бұрын
morrow fair enough lol, just seemed a bit obvious to me :p
@Raddishist
@Raddishist 9 жыл бұрын
If you couldn't see the first shot it's 120 120 120 60 60
@Raddishist
@Raddishist 9 жыл бұрын
***** thx bb
@Navhkrin
@Navhkrin 9 жыл бұрын
***** How come you are capable of telling differance between 120 and 60 on a 30fps video
@Raddishist
@Raddishist 9 жыл бұрын
Navhkrin No I just listened to the answers at the end.
@Daisuken92
@Daisuken92 7 жыл бұрын
Back when Linus still used the porn music for the intro....
@locust7890
@locust7890 9 жыл бұрын
Console gamers will never understand PC gaming. If your a console gamer, don't worry about FPS and display refresh rates. Your PS 4 or Xbox one is optimized for low FPS on TVs...
@UneasyTortoise
@UneasyTortoise 9 жыл бұрын
locust7890 i play consoles and also play on a PC u mad :)
@brianmannion7097
@brianmannion7097 9 жыл бұрын
***** consoles are for people who want to buy consoles. get your head out of your ass
@brianmannion7097
@brianmannion7097 9 жыл бұрын
nah just telling you how it is
@MrKajjaGG
@MrKajjaGG 9 жыл бұрын
locust7890 I wish your grammar was optimised for English speakers.
@hawk_202
@hawk_202 9 жыл бұрын
Brian Mannion Dude many people play on both and most PC gamers PC's cant even hit 120fps on their PC anyway.
@AussieVR4
@AussieVR4 10 жыл бұрын
I have both 120hz and 60hz monitors and I can tell you there is a massive difference between the two. 120 is much much smoother.
@AussieVR4
@AussieVR4 10 жыл бұрын
***** I couldn't recommend a 27 inch because I haven't seen one sorry. I have a BenQ ZL2410T its an older model but looks great. The colors aren't as vibrant as other screens out there.
@ChrisPC39
@ChrisPC39 8 жыл бұрын
I am a guy that never had more than 30 fps on my old laptop. I can with ease tell the difference between 60 fps and 120 fps. I am used to 5-10 fps or 120 frames per minute
@PokeTrevor
@PokeTrevor 8 жыл бұрын
same! i feel spoiled with my new pc that can actually run csgo well
@ChrisPC39
@ChrisPC39 8 жыл бұрын
Poketrevor It can even run KZbin without lag on 1080p
@ChrisPC39
@ChrisPC39 8 жыл бұрын
Poketrevor What rig do you have?
@PokeTrevor
@PokeTrevor 8 жыл бұрын
+sebi iozu same!
@PokeTrevor
@PokeTrevor 8 жыл бұрын
+sebi iozu my old laptop was a pavilion g6 with an amd 4400m (it's so bad I gave it to my friend for free) and my current rig has an 8320 and a gtx 750ti. I want to upgrade to the 1070 when a 3rd party one comes out. I want blue so maybe zotac or gigabyte
@Aimela136
@Aimela136 10 жыл бұрын
Considering that the game was running at 84 fps, also allowing for fluctuations in fps, this might not have been very accurate. It's better to test with a game that could get a constant 120 fps without any fluctuations.
@lvnn2a
@lvnn2a 10 жыл бұрын
like csgo ... and believe me fellas you will notice the diference even just by watching someone playing on 120hz/144hz ))) (of course if you play csgo a lot)
@raysian987
@raysian987 10 жыл бұрын
he double tapped w to try and sprint... he has to be told how to aim by right clicking... he's either a really noobish gamer or is a minecraft player... (hence the double tap w for sprint).
@raysian987
@raysian987 10 жыл бұрын
***** oh no shit... Completely forgot about the "average gamer" part. My bad..
@RyanSeeRolyPoly
@RyanSeeRolyPoly 10 жыл бұрын
DimSimHunter ye but you do have to double tap to run in battlefield 3 ...
@sudochamp
@sudochamp 10 жыл бұрын
Ryan mate No you don't.
@SuperBeasto303
@SuperBeasto303 10 жыл бұрын
***** yea you do noob.
@sudochamp
@sudochamp 10 жыл бұрын
Ryan mate KingVicious93 Apparently you actually can. Sorry guys, Never tried double tapping W to run in BF3, lol.
@riphouse101
@riphouse101 10 жыл бұрын
for all the people that think they know some shit but don't,,, let me clarify something for ya ,,, frames and Hz ARE NOT the same thing,,, Hz - how many times your screen refreshes per second. FPS - how many times per second that your computer is building a frame this being said if your monitor will only go to 60hz its visually a waste to push more than 60 frames,,, but the more frames the more fluid your game will FEEL, but not necessarily look better. So more frames is always better, that is unless visual quality is more important to you than feel, and you have to sacrifice quality to get those frames, if not then turn up the quality and lose the frames,,, but if fluid game feel is important to you over quality then kill some quality to get your frames and this is the truth, thank you
@scottmartin3679
@scottmartin3679 10 жыл бұрын
You are correct that frames and Hz are not the same it is possible to get a couple of hundred frames a second at 60 Hz but you must disable V-sync in advanced 3d options. Which as you said decreases quality in the form of page tearing (jittery frames). I wasn't trying to write a book on the subject, and I see how my choice of words could be rather misleading. However Most people understand all this already that are hardcore gamers, and the test was about telling a difference in visual quality between 60 and 120 Hz and With V-sync enabled for quality images, provided the graphics card is capable of sustaining the framerate of 60 and 120 with current game settings, at 60 Hz you are capped at 60 frames a second and will be running a constant 60 frames a second. the same applies to 120. So from that standpoint even though they are different definition wise, one still dictates the other in a quality monitor test setting, not so in a graphics card performance test, but that was not what this was, is where I was coming from. I know some shit or I would not have spoken.
@asosa9502
@asosa9502 8 жыл бұрын
I just got a 144hz monitor today and it's nice. I can definitely make out the difference. Even on the desktop, the mouse seems so much smoother and real.
@bipbong2906
@bipbong2906 7 жыл бұрын
Just download more DPI
@xXRenaxChanXx
@xXRenaxChanXx 7 жыл бұрын
Nice. I'm still on a 60hz tv. Then again if I did splurge on an upgrade my system wouldn't push anything more than say, a 85Hz monitor tbh (such as an Acer which are actually pretty cheap).
@Brutik5
@Brutik5 7 жыл бұрын
Can you tell difference without touching the mouse? By that I mean - by observation only, let's say in benchmark or something like that. In my opinion you should be able to.
@reppy0757
@reppy0757 7 жыл бұрын
+Bruno Czech The answer is a partial yes. It depends if you're watching 1080p 120hz vs 1440p 120hz. There are a variations upon every test and the biggest difference is "feeling" in every test. But loosely translated and simplified, to notice, you need the FPS to be as high as the hertz to actually see the advantage. I'm running a 980ti on an acer predator xb271hu (I always have to google it to copy and paste because I love this monitor lol) and the difference is unfuckingbelievable both in sight and feel. But like I said. You need to specs to match or you'll "bottleneck" in the same sense if you have a shitty cpu with an amazing gpu. Or vice versa. All this shit comes at the price of $$$. Is it worth it? I goddamn well think so. I'll never play on 60hz ever again and am still trying to sell my triple Pavillion 23xw's lol.
@benster62
@benster62 10 жыл бұрын
The average gamer is a console gamer. And console gamers a used to 30fps and So 60 and 120 are both amazing. 
@GameAFlame1
@GameAFlame1 10 жыл бұрын
more PCs were sold this year than any type of console. #pcmasterrace
@akalion213
@akalion213 10 жыл бұрын
Game A Flame Wait you mean like prebuilts?Were those gaming PC's?Because still like every console kiddie has a PC so that doesn't really mean anything :/
@GameAFlame1
@GameAFlame1 10 жыл бұрын
no, gaming pcs
@GameAFlame1
@GameAFlame1 10 жыл бұрын
i forget which article i saw it in
@GameAFlame1
@GameAFlame1 10 жыл бұрын
i know, never mind
@peacebewu
@peacebewu 8 жыл бұрын
I wonder why some people insist humans can't detect difference between 30 fps vs. 60 fps. I can totally notice it. Are they implying my eyes aren't real? #howcanmirrorsbereal
@jaeger1123
@jaeger1123 8 жыл бұрын
Well the human eye doesn't notice much more than 24 pictures per second, but unless the monitor is perfectly in sync with that you'll see a difference when changing the picture 60 times a second instead of 30 times
@mubarak8840
@mubarak8840 7 жыл бұрын
peace bewith u it doesn't matter if you notice it or not, one you're immersed into the game you can't tell or care if it's 30 or 60.
@changwufei5
@changwufei5 7 жыл бұрын
If you want to test your theory run you hand back and forth in front of your face and watch the blur occur. Video games have to add that blur in post processing to simulate it on higher fps games. When playing video games do you want this.... no! could you imagine trying to shoot a blurry character darting across the screen. You would be livid not being able to make out things in racing games. So we humans in real-life can't see higher than around 24 fps but in a videogame, we wouldn't want out human shortcomings getting in the way of our kill streak.
@peacebewu
@peacebewu 7 жыл бұрын
Are there actually any study which says we can only see up to 24 fps or so?
@SciePhi
@SciePhi 7 жыл бұрын
30 vs 60 absolutely, i can tolerate 60, 30 makes me want to vomit
@scottmartin3679
@scottmartin3679 10 жыл бұрын
As people have said before, the test is invalid if your not hitting 120 fps @ 120 Hz. If your game/hardware settings are allowing max of 85 fps that means most likely during action it is dipping to 50 - 60 range, if not lower. So for your test , he is only seeing the game above 60 Hz when there is no action, and when there is no action, there's no way to tell if its 60 or 85. But you can certainly tell 60 to 120 just by spinning a quick circle a time or two. Nobody would get that wrong 20 out of 20 times its that night and day a difference.
@Kenckaplus
@Kenckaplus 9 жыл бұрын
Let's do some math... If your frame rate is at most 60 FPS, then 120 Hz will look the same as 60 Hz. If your frame rate is at least 120 FPS, then 120 Hz will look better than 60 Hz. Likewise... Assuming you have a 60 Hz monitor, 120 FPS will look the same as 60 FPS. Assuming you have a 120 Hz monitor, 120 FPS will look better than 60 FPS.
@michaeljamero5901
@michaeljamero5901 9 жыл бұрын
Kencka fk I completely agree with you
@Sevival
@Sevival 9 жыл бұрын
Kencka fk wrong. Refresh rate means way more MORE than just fps. 120hz is generally always more comfortable to watch, doesn matter how high the framerate or if you're even gaming, 120hz reduces flickering and eyestrain, and adds up to the smoothness of fast images (by actually inserting frames)
@Kenckaplus
@Kenckaplus 9 жыл бұрын
Sevival Are you saying that it makes a difference to view a still image in a monitor that updates its buffer 120 times per second as opposed to only 60 times per second? You are just changing bits for bits of the same value.
@mattd6931
@mattd6931 9 жыл бұрын
Sevival The Flicker on the old CRT monitors was caused because each pixel blanked itself between each frame. Thus some people were able to SEE the blanking as a flickering on screen. Higher refresh rates negated that issue. Since activated LCD pixels do not flash on/off between frames, LCD monitors exhibit NO refresh-induced flicker, no matter how low the refresh rate. If you are looking at a still image, you will not be able to tell the difference between a 60Hz LCD monitor and a 120Hz LCD monitor. Noticeable differences only begin to occur when changes on screen start happening. You will notice the increased refresh rate then as smoother animation, because additional frames are generated - but ONLY when your graphics card is rendering equal to, or more FPS than the refresh rate of your LCD monitor. If you are running a game at 60FPS, on a 120Hz monitor, it will just display the same frame twice as long. (Ie. It'll 'paint' the same frame twice.) It'd be just the same as playing it on a 60Hz LCD monitor. Any effect you believe you're seeing is a placebo.
@Kenckaplus
@Kenckaplus 9 жыл бұрын
Matt D Hey. Thanks for the explanation. So the flickering was indeed a problem with CRT monitors, then what I said only works for modern LCD monitors.
@BlazeFirereign
@BlazeFirereign 9 жыл бұрын
Anyone, absolutely ANYONE, who suggests that humans aren't capable of seeing above any framerate below multiple hundreds is talking shit. I can tell the difference between 60Hz and 120Hz just moving the mouse cursor or opening a window. If my computer boots up and for some reason the output's not set to 120Hz (happens occasionally), I can tell almost immediately. If there are people out there that genuinely can't tell the difference, they've either got really horrendous eyesight or there's something up with the way their brain is processing it.
@Neosaigo
@Neosaigo 9 жыл бұрын
The problem comes to people's definition of 'seeing' and 'detecting'. The human eye is capable of detecting much higher frame rate than what is currently available on the market, but no human eye can see beyond 60 frames per second except for people with exceptional vision. Detection is quick and broad but cannot handle too much detail, actually seeing is a bit slower and more narrow but allow for more details. From 1-30 frames, almost all people of normal eye sight can piece together each individual frames as a sequence in the correct order. 31-60 frames people can still do it, but varies depending on individuals. However beyond 60 frames while your eyes can detect the fluctuation, but you will not be able to piece the sequence together in order frame by frame. The difference between seeing and detecting is similar to having a jet passing by you really quickly, you will recognize something in the shape of a jet pass you by, but very few can piece together the details of what they saw during the fly by, often the brain has to draw on past experiences or sometimes imagination to fill in the blank, which is why eye witness testimony is not always reliable. In a FPS game for example, you can tell if there is someone suddenly appear from a corner, but you may not be able to recognize them as friend or foe till a fraction of a second later or sometimes longer, hence why sports and games often use colors to differentiate between teams (a shortcut for the brain kind of). Ironically that is also when a lot of people made a few shots before realizing it was an ally. There is detecting, and then there is actually seeing. The eye can detect incredibly quickly, but to actually see depend on the brain's ability to make sense of the information which is quite a bit slower, especially if it is new information. For known information and patterns, the brain can draw on experience to "see" more quickly. Monitors faster than 60hz works because of the eye's ability to detect, but technically that isn't really seeing. On the other hand, there are examples of people who can practice enough to use detection as vision, such as in martial arts and baseball, playing video game may also train the eye the same way perhaps. Military and Law Enforcement however goes about it the other way, which is trying to speed up the process of seeing through training instead of relying on improving detection since there is no friendly fire setting and no do-overs in real life. 120hz monitor for example allows for better motion detection because of repeated frames, however if I give you a slide of frame 61 to 120 and ask you to find frame 89 with 10 tries it would be mostly luck since you were not seeing the frame, you were simply detecting it. The funny part is neither side is entirely correct or wrong in this case, it is just people over simplified eyesight as a single standard.
@BlazeFirereign
@BlazeFirereign 9 жыл бұрын
Neosaigo Bullshit. So the human eye cannot 'see' anything above 60fps? Then explain the test where a bunch of fighter pilots were stuck into a room where an image of a fighter jet was flashed up for 1/220'th of a second (equivalent to 1 frame in 220fps). ALL of them not only saw that there was a jet, they could IDENTIFY what jet it was. That would not be possible if we could not 'see' much detail above 60fps. And no, not every single figher pilot has 'exceptional' vision. I sure as hell don't have 'exceptional' vision (I wear contact lenses) yet I can tell the difference between 60fps and 120fps. It's night and day to me. I've heard the same from almost every person who's ever used a 120/144Hz display. And I play better when my games are hitting that 144fps rather than 60fps. Your argument seems to be a very contrived one hinging around strange definitions of 'detecting' and 'seeing'. I'm going to have to ask you to cite some related research to consider it as anything other than 'bullshit'.
@chillinchum
@chillinchum 9 жыл бұрын
***** After a lot of reading around and seeing other's thoughts, it appears that, when first shown the two different videos, a difference might be noticeable but most folks who are NOT Technophiles just can't tell exactly what it is thier noticing, even possibly to the point that they might say they can't notice anything, and it may just be to them the difference is minscule. Because of how varied dna and mutations can make peoples eyes see things differently, it seems incrediably unfair to say anyone and everyone can see 60 or above, even if there's the human potential to detect a bigger difference. It also seems insane to think that video frame rate and eye frame-rate can ever compare to each other anyway, video uses the effect gained from shutters to create motion without it creating a blur, but our eyes aren't shuttering when we see anything else, so we might be able to detect hundreds of non-video frames, but video frames? I'd say the jury is still out on that one. Everyone who I've ever heard say not being able to detect 60 or above frame rates is a sign of disease or bad eye-sight are the same people who are the tech junkies who have used a computer operating in 120 frames for years, and thus can't see anything else then it, they are really, really used to it, the rest of us are not. You don't hear anyone saying about the average person being able to see more then 60 frames outside of this angry techie crowd, and they are a huge minority.
@BlazeFirereign
@BlazeFirereign 9 жыл бұрын
chillin chum The average person has never seen content at framerates above 60fps, why would they claim to be able to see it? In any case, I'm absolutely not claiming that every human can - but the vast majority can. It's a much more subtle difference compared to the difference between 30fps and 60fps (which is most definitely visible to everyone who doesn't have awful eyesight), and I can definitely see that most people wouldn't see it first time. But it's one of those things - once you get used to it, you will definitely notice the difference and come to appreciate the improvement. It's not just a placebo efffect - if I plug my computer into a 144Hz display, simply by moving the monitor I can tell whether it's at 60Hz or 144Hz, and the latter is a LOT smoother. As for games...I suppose one way to look at it would be to compare it to SSDs. People who use a computer with SSD storage might not notice a huge difference at first. But once they've used one for a while and go back to a machine with mechanical storage, they WILL notice the difference in speed and responsiveness.
@chillinchum
@chillinchum 9 жыл бұрын
***** I meant that, once they do see 60 fps content, that it's a difficult to tell, but I meant that for 60 and above, as in 60-144 is where it gets harder to see it, your only helping me support that. As for 30-60, yeah, that's where it gets wierd, varied, but generally a lot easier to detect. And I'm fine with 60 being standard, I guess, with the caveat that we can still try to emulate the look of 30 where artistic expression when it is desired, and yes, I am concerned about losing the "movie-like" look, since I'm not against games that are hybrids with movies, against some folks thinking we should divorce the concept entirely, which seems ridiculous to me. Besides, consistent framerate is just as important, if not more so, then where the framerate is specifically at. throwing you off when it changes suddenly is just no good. And, as per usual, due to the many amounts of dollars it can take to obtain, i do not want to *ever* get used to anything past 60, because I still want to be able to enjoy games even when they presented in some "sub-par" manner, this is the part that bugs me most about this:"Yes, come to us, so you can be overly picky and have to spend a lot of money like us for a nice novelty." Novelties wear off real quick for me, and are thus not worth the money, I'll watch it once at a tradeshow or a demo at an electronics store, but otherwise, I want to live cheaply on my games and play any and all of them, so, I say no thanks to PC crazy performance numbers.
@Goblexter
@Goblexter 8 жыл бұрын
And console gamers try to find solace by saying 30 fps is perfectly fine.
@samuelbullard8978
@samuelbullard8978 8 жыл бұрын
I mean its fine if you always play with console. But when you always Play on a PC that has 60 fps or more it just isnt nice anymore playing on 30.
@someone-wi4xl
@someone-wi4xl 8 жыл бұрын
+Samuel Bullard so in short as long as you don't experience the real great gameplay with higher FPS you will be spreading some cancerous peasantry statements on the internet saying 30fps is fine
@TakeoFR
@TakeoFR 8 жыл бұрын
+someone Well, 30 fps is definitely fine. As Louis C.K. would have said it: "It doesn't make me cum, but it's fine."
@someone-wi4xl
@someone-wi4xl 8 жыл бұрын
TakeoFR that what everyone say before they experience high FPS trust me , i was just like you long time ago until i tried PC
@TakeoFR
@TakeoFR 8 жыл бұрын
someone Would you rather play a game in 30 FPS or wait a year before you buy it to then play in higher FPS? Yeah, higher FPS is better, but 30 FPS definitely does the job. Fine is an appropriate word for 30 FPS - for 120 FPS you have words like amazing. Trust me, when you played at about 15 FPS on PC, you learn to enjoy when you have 30 - not every PC has the latest graphic card.
@BluePixelGaming
@BluePixelGaming 10 жыл бұрын
I know this video is old but it wasn't the best game to test it on. That section of the game does make your FPS plummet so even if you were switching between 60Hz and 120Hz there may have been only ~10fps difference. You need to test it again on a game that your system can easily do 120fps. That way you can properly test whether 60fps and 120fps is noticeable.
@sobekflakmonkey
@sobekflakmonkey 10 жыл бұрын
how is that a proper test though? giving it the easiest thing to run and then saying "Oh, SEE! theres a difference!" when in reality there isn't really that much of a difference, I think by just choosing a part from the game that you're going to be playing through anyway was a good decision...because those parts exist, and should be considered.
@BluePixelGaming
@BluePixelGaming 10 жыл бұрын
You not getting the point. The purpose of this test was to see if the average gamer could tell the difference between 60Hz and 120Hz. By using a game which is most likely only hitting 70fps doesn't give a proper result as when using the 120Hz option you would be getting 50 duplicate frames meaning that the end result it basically the same as just using 60Hz. To properly test whether or not the average gamer could tell the difference between 60 and 120fps you would need to use a game that your computer is capable of pumping out 120 unique frames. If it isn't then the test is pointless.
@sobekflakmonkey
@sobekflakmonkey 10 жыл бұрын
Blue Pixel I dunno, I think the test is fine, I get what you're saying, you should watch the follow up video to this.
@BluePixelGaming
@BluePixelGaming 10 жыл бұрын
sobekflakmonkey I have watched the follow and although not perfect it is a better test of the difference in Hz simply due to the location he was in the game. Not much going on and in enclosed corridors meaning the in-game fps would have been much higher and the difference between the two much more noticeable.
@gerryrivaldy4281
@gerryrivaldy4281 10 жыл бұрын
120 or 60? Fuck it my PC can't even play bf3 more than 30
@gerryrivaldy4281
@gerryrivaldy4281 10 жыл бұрын
***** dude, it's 5 months ago
@MicroageHD
@MicroageHD 10 жыл бұрын
Gerry Rivaldy still u answered :P
@gerryrivaldy4281
@gerryrivaldy4281 10 жыл бұрын
MicroageHD Because i still get the notification on my phone
@MicroageHD
@MicroageHD 10 жыл бұрын
:)
@NotJustYouNoob
@NotJustYouNoob 10 жыл бұрын
I think you've missed the crucial point here Linus. He did not notice any difference in the first 3 tests (60 Hz in all 3), but picked a different setting once you changed the refresh. Then after that once you changed it back to 120 Hz, he picked the 120 Hz. What you should have done is let him try it at 120, then 60, then only do the 5 tweets test.
@Xeno88
@Xeno88 5 жыл бұрын
can linus see 1tb of ssd nvme??
@TommyMcD
@TommyMcD 10 жыл бұрын
The eye is limitless when it comes to fps, it's the brain that can't process the images.
@Dmarshall072
@Dmarshall072 10 жыл бұрын
I seriously don't get why he didn't put the settings down to medium to make sure the fps was always above 120 fps. Even when he showed the fps at the start it was running 84 fps a bloody long way from 120. Eurrghh this test was just annoying
@ParadiseDecay
@ParadiseDecay 10 жыл бұрын
To help make the test better next time, maybe not talk during the test as this could potentially influence the players perception.
@Echocookie8948
@Echocookie8948 10 жыл бұрын
Didn't think I would be seeing you here, PD.
@luism8130
@luism8130 8 жыл бұрын
NO way that pothead can see anything past 10hz let alone 144 with his bloodshot eyes, let me get in there coach!
@consolidate84
@consolidate84 8 жыл бұрын
+Luis M haha i burst out laughing
@monti7750
@monti7750 8 жыл бұрын
+Luis M Im with you on the let me get in there coach but... Ima stay high af while I ace this task
@user-tl4fi6oy8d
@user-tl4fi6oy8d 8 жыл бұрын
Lol
@filthyfantasist3880
@filthyfantasist3880 8 жыл бұрын
+Luis M Can't tell if Salty, Jealous, or Troll.
@xLOVExGODx
@xLOVExGODx 8 жыл бұрын
+Luis M LOL!!!!! Put him in COACH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@minigunuser25
@minigunuser25 10 жыл бұрын
"the human eye can only see (insert newest consoles framerate)"
@JohnBoyM16
@JohnBoyM16 10 жыл бұрын
The human eye sees in fluidity which is equivalent to 560 fps.
@Twiggy732
@Twiggy732 10 жыл бұрын
Call me crazy, but wouldn't it help if the game were actually running at 120 FPS for the experiment? a 20FPS difference would of course be barely noticeable to the average gamer after 60.
@vladasss
@vladasss 10 жыл бұрын
You aren't crazy, it's just the author of the video doesn't know what he's doing.
@Crlarl
@Crlarl 10 жыл бұрын
To have more rigorous testing, you should have at least 10 test subjects playing for at least 2 minutes per trial and some would only get 30Hz, 60Hz or 120Hz while others get subjected to all or some.
@jammm3333
@jammm3333 8 жыл бұрын
2:40 "We're on a budget here" ...He has an insane PC that he just showed off XD
@alldatgamez1155
@alldatgamez1155 8 жыл бұрын
At that time it was insane ;)
@jammm3333
@jammm3333 8 жыл бұрын
true
@mrbatistabomb2
@mrbatistabomb2 8 жыл бұрын
a 680 is still a great video card.
@alldatgamez1155
@alldatgamez1155 8 жыл бұрын
Phoenix21 Great, but not a beast :)
@mrbatistabomb2
@mrbatistabomb2 8 жыл бұрын
AllDatGamez Yeah, I think that it can still play most games today at 1080p 60 fps on ultra with all the bells and whistles and kills high settings.
@LarsCanFly
@LarsCanFly 10 жыл бұрын
I can tell the difference between 60fps and 120fps easy! I don't know how anyone else doesn't!
@0UNTHINKABLE0
@0UNTHINKABLE0 10 жыл бұрын
you can tell , But can you see it ?
@LarsCanFly
@LarsCanFly 10 жыл бұрын
Yep
@TrollingDr
@TrollingDr 10 жыл бұрын
you do know that he is talking about Hz aka the refresh rate of the monitor not fps
@LarsCanFly
@LarsCanFly 10 жыл бұрын
The Hz is the limit of FPS you can see on a monitor, pretty much.
@SolomanVandy
@SolomanVandy 10 жыл бұрын
TrollingDr Please don't speak unless you know what you're talking about, it makes for a better environment for everyone.
@RobertWeatherall
@RobertWeatherall 10 жыл бұрын
Below average gamer has never played Battlefield 3 -_-
@mrkungabe
@mrkungabe 10 жыл бұрын
I feel great difference between a 60 hz monitor and my 120 hz monitor. it feels laggy and flickering to play on a 60 hz monitor.
@TheMuricanMerc
@TheMuricanMerc 9 жыл бұрын
I just switched to a 144hz monitor this weekend and I must say that I noticed the difference immediately. 60 is very smooth but 120 or 144 is way better for gaming. I can even do a test on my setup as I got a 60hz as my secondary monitor and my 144hz hooked to the same rig, so I move my mouse in a circle on one then the other. Very noticeable difference!!!
@andrewboult848
@andrewboult848 9 жыл бұрын
I got a 144hz monitor as well and although I can easily tell the difference between 60hz and (85, 120, 144) I find it a lot harder to tell the difference between 85 and 144. if you have the rog swift i prefer to run at 85fps with ULMB mode on to smooth the moving textures etc. Gsync really does help for games that drops the frame rate below that though
@rainbowNickk
@rainbowNickk 9 жыл бұрын
Cool man , but i got a doudt, if i get a 144 monitor , will i notice the diference even if my framerate wont got all the way to 144fps?
@TheMuricanMerc
@TheMuricanMerc 9 жыл бұрын
You will notice it. Windows desktop will always match your native resolution and frequency so you will notice it there. As for in games, you will notice the difference even from 60 to 90. It is just not as much of a change.
@GregHakes
@GregHakes 9 жыл бұрын
Congratulations you just wasted a bunch of money for Nothing, Wahooooooooooooooooooooo!
@TheMuricanMerc
@TheMuricanMerc 9 жыл бұрын
Greg Hakes #nope
@Yerizzo
@Yerizzo 10 жыл бұрын
I have a 75hz monitor and you can definitely tell the difference.
@trevergrose7733
@trevergrose7733 10 жыл бұрын
I got a 75 hz too but after around 50 fps i do not see no lag but it may be me
@benjmiester
@benjmiester 10 жыл бұрын
Trever Grose You would need to exceed 75 fps on a 75 hz monitor to see 'lag'. Really you would be seeing tearing or breaks in the image. Frames per second depend on their refresh rate's limitations. Each hz is 1 screen re-draw per second. So if you are redrawing the screen 75 times per second, and running less than 75 frames per second, you will not have any problems. It's only when your frames per second exceed the number of times the screen is redrawn per second.
@Belfor09
@Belfor09 5 жыл бұрын
Someone in 2019? Jees... Linus is so young here.
@------837
@------837 2 жыл бұрын
such a blast from the past cannot believe almost 10 years ago this is what we were talking aobut with pc gaming.
@frogdeity
@frogdeity 2 жыл бұрын
What should we be talking about? People still seem to think refresh rates above 60hz matter. Which is weird.
@rohithkumarsp
@rohithkumarsp Жыл бұрын
ikr? i started watching NCIX around 2011-2012, cant beleive its been over a decade
@KevTheGalaxybender
@KevTheGalaxybender 7 жыл бұрын
I can't tell the difference between 60 and 120 because I've never seen 120 lol. but 30 from 60, it's a walk in the park
@NordicGameplays
@NordicGameplays 9 жыл бұрын
You should have gone with 60 fps first, then go to 120. He doesn't know the difference if he has never seen the difference before. You have to show him both, let him know which is which. Then have the blind test.
@dasoultube
@dasoultube 9 жыл бұрын
No
@DerikPiano
@DerikPiano 9 жыл бұрын
No.
@BANHMIZON
@BANHMIZON 9 жыл бұрын
No.
@503technics
@503technics 9 жыл бұрын
Yes.
@yut3216
@yut3216 8 жыл бұрын
The intro song sounds like 1970's porn music.
@thomasmahase
@thomasmahase 8 жыл бұрын
it is
@sagewolf8528
@sagewolf8528 8 жыл бұрын
tech porn my bro
@Orcse
@Orcse 10 жыл бұрын
this is dumb, when there is 70 fps ingame and he plays with 120hz noone will notice any difference over 60hz, 100+ fps is where is really makes a difference
@hymikins4663
@hymikins4663 9 жыл бұрын
I'm glad somebody already pointed out that he's testing the difference between a 60hz monitor and a 120hz monitor at ~80 fps. I understand that the video description is "Can the average gamer see more than 60hz". If this were truly about whether a gamer could see more than 60hz, then it would make sense to get the highest frame rate possible on the highest refresh rate monitor. In this case he has a 120hz monitor, so it would make sense to at least match with 120 fps. It doesn't make sense to half-ass the frame rate when you're only trying to prove whether or not he can see above 60hz.
@Robstrap
@Robstrap 9 жыл бұрын
Average gamer? Yet he dont know basic FPS controls, moves his head whilst moving it in game (Like people do when they dont play games much) and double pressed W to run. Defo a xbox 360 Minecraft edition player.
@Chrontard
@Chrontard 5 жыл бұрын
they are on 60_70 fps in da game testing 120 hz vs 60 hz? wake up
@tikataka89
@tikataka89 3 жыл бұрын
hahahahhah true
@bongoboy9981
@bongoboy9981 9 жыл бұрын
average gamers tries to double tap w to sprint, doesnt know how to aim, and doesnt try E to interact first. this guy probably plays on xbox and never experienced more than 30fps
@ThePerchable
@ThePerchable 9 жыл бұрын
The fucking intro song makes me cringe.
@BrainToMush
@BrainToMush 9 жыл бұрын
Hahahahahaha! At least funk guitar is about a million times better than crappy ass trance music or douchy hipster bell kit jingles.
@predgaming42069
@predgaming42069 9 жыл бұрын
The Perchable yup me too! i thought wtf is this XD then i looked at when it was uploaded
@matthewkinney5474
@matthewkinney5474 8 жыл бұрын
Whatching this video in 2016
@mopewoodie368
@mopewoodie368 5 жыл бұрын
2018
@josh223
@josh223 6 жыл бұрын
84 fps at 1920x1080 decent? 3770k? WHAT YEAR IS IT
@xdptwin1
@xdptwin1 7 жыл бұрын
There is a complete diffrence between 144hz and 60hz
@averagechannel5527
@averagechannel5527 3 жыл бұрын
Not what the video said. 😙
@Cheepchipsable
@Cheepchipsable 8 жыл бұрын
Sometimes you can't tell the difference until you go back from 120 to 60. If the system is pumping out steady FPS at a high frame rate, it could make it harder to determine also.
@tomo9992
@tomo9992 10 жыл бұрын
Don't you have to be running 120fps to see/feel the benifits of 120hertz?
@anton300640
@anton300640 10 жыл бұрын
That is correct, but anything above 60 but below 120 will be noticeable too :)
@JamesMichaelDoyle
@JamesMichaelDoyle 10 жыл бұрын
it was consistently above 60 fps, so you should have been able to see a difference. can you tell the difference if a car is going 60mph, or 80, or 90? and more specifically could you tell if it was going at 90, and slowed to 60? just because it was not maxing it out at 120 fps does not invalidate the point. it was a solid 80-90 fps looking at stuff, and spiked up into triple digits at floor. not a big deal. 90 is a 50% increase from 60, he should have been able to tell the difference.
@natasico
@natasico 10 жыл бұрын
I can totally see the difference between 60 and 120 Hz and I'm sure u all can.
@cristhiansanmartin9680
@cristhiansanmartin9680 10 жыл бұрын
yes, it's really easy. En mi idioma, es sumamente sencillo, se observa la diferencia entre 60hz y 120hz almenos atraves de mi pantalla por los detalles en la creacion de la imagen en pantalla, a 120hz no se notan tantas diferencias o retrasos en dicha creacion, esto se observa cuando se estan realizando varias acciones (mover la camara, disparar, caminar) todo ello al mismo tiempo, en esos momentos es donde notamos cierta distorcion en la imagen, la cual a ir a mayor velocidad de refresco y una tarjeta capaz de hacerlo esto se disminuye en gran manera.
@PainBlame
@PainBlame 7 жыл бұрын
I think it only matters when you are used to the game. Your brain starts to tell you what to expect, and when you it doesn't expect what it should, that's when you know you are running at lower fps.
@FeralGameing
@FeralGameing 9 жыл бұрын
Been gaming for 17 years now (I am 21 and I play games since I was 4) And I can see the difference between 60 and 75 Hz on my monitor...I have this monitor from 7 years... I played everything from Pac Man, Super Mario and Tetris to World of Warcraft, League of Legends, Far Cry 3, Battlefield 3 and Assassin's Creed 4... Guess I am not an average gamer... but you know, we are all just humans... If I can see the differance, everyone else can see it too...
@D3nn1s
@D3nn1s 8 жыл бұрын
my biology teacher said once we dont see more than 20fps all boys in the class were laughing haha
@DirEnGay
@DirEnGay 8 жыл бұрын
How fucking old is he? Sounds like the kind of guy who thought that a car going more than 40mph would give you a seizure.
@D3nn1s
@D3nn1s 8 жыл бұрын
Jeffry Maiato his teaching is not too bad we got way worse teachers at school, for example when my math teacher got mad at my cuz i already corrected my math exam in the lesson while she was going tru the entire exam lmao, i had like 3 errors in the whole thing xD
@D3nn1s
@D3nn1s 8 жыл бұрын
DirEnGay yes hes like 70 or so and hes not too bad but i guess since hes too old hes into like that cinema 23.99 fps is g2g, i dont think he every played a game haha
@CertifiedSunset
@CertifiedSunset 6 жыл бұрын
Yo teacher dumb as fuck.
@nolphior6795
@nolphior6795 8 жыл бұрын
Got an overpriced potato PC i paid 700$ for when it's actually 300$ worth ( Not kidding ) and play FarCry 4 with 3 fps. Others have I7 and Titan Z and play Minecraft.
@Aaronlcyrus
@Aaronlcyrus 8 жыл бұрын
+Nolphior i have an i7 and gtx 555 that i overpaid 1200 for, what's your point?
@georgfranko
@georgfranko 8 жыл бұрын
+Aaronlcyrus whitch gamer buy's pre build PC's???
@Aaronlcyrus
@Aaronlcyrus 8 жыл бұрын
Georg Franko The kind that were only console gamers and had almost no knowledge about PCs. Without buying a prebuilt, i'd have never had a chance at learning how to build computers and what not. Sure it was overpriced, I admit that. But it has lasted me pretty well, and the information i learned while using it was worth more than what I paid. I am now able to help my brother in law build his as he too has learned a lot from the very same PC. It helped me convert him from consoles.
@georgfranko
@georgfranko 8 жыл бұрын
I know that feel , my first gaming PC was a overpriced GTX 760 and a i5 with 8 GB Ram ....pre build too , sorry did not knew you were comming from console . Sweet that you are gonna help out your brother in law with his build :)
@Goat-vr4cf
@Goat-vr4cf 8 жыл бұрын
Pleb
@gamerpaddy
@gamerpaddy 9 жыл бұрын
The average PC user can Spot the difference between 60 and 120 when dragging windows on your desktop, theres a HUGE difference.
@svilen12345
@svilen12345 8 жыл бұрын
"The Average Gamer" is the correct phrasing for this question. Some people notice, some don't. But If you've clocked over 1-2k hrs trying your best at like cs or even dota you can tell the difference without even trying. I bought that exact same monitor because of its 144hz rate and after 2 years of playing games at a minimum of 120 fps on it I always feel how slow the movement is at lower fps almost immediately.
@user-qx6pd6om2j
@user-qx6pd6om2j 9 жыл бұрын
Actualy the human eye can see up to 1000 fts but we generally stop caring at 500 fps.
@joukovilander
@joukovilander 8 жыл бұрын
I can see 69696969666699966996696969699969669969996966969969 fps
@embersaffron5522
@embersaffron5522 8 жыл бұрын
+90 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) ...Wait a second
@someone-wi4xl
@someone-wi4xl 8 жыл бұрын
+90 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) a scientist ?
@user-qx6pd6om2j
@user-qx6pd6om2j 8 жыл бұрын
someone No someone who just gooogled it xD
@AlexOjideagu2
@AlexOjideagu2 8 жыл бұрын
The brain sees not the eye
@kaitran
@kaitran 7 жыл бұрын
Who's watching this in 2017
@mkb285
@mkb285 7 жыл бұрын
ImNotCool not Prince
@E27043
@E27043 7 жыл бұрын
ImNotCool me
@maherminer123
@maherminer123 7 жыл бұрын
i am. video is still lit fam
@kaitran
@kaitran 7 жыл бұрын
Not asking for like anyway*
@maherminer123
@maherminer123 7 жыл бұрын
ImNotCool ok
@Goreuncle
@Goreuncle 8 жыл бұрын
I own a 144Hz monitor and every time I use my other pc (which runs at 60Hz), everything feels very choppy, specially in games and also in the movement of the mouse cursor. This guy probably wasn't prepared to tell the difference, or it could also be that the game wasn't reaching 120fps. Also, frame drops and stutter can mess with the fluidity, not allowing an inexperienced user to realize what's going on. In any case, the difference is very noticeable in my current rig, so my answer to that question would be: People who pay attention to detail, will likely notice the difference, people who don't know what to look for, will miss it. Also, the application MUST be capable of achieving and maintaining framerates close to 120/144...if it tops close to 60fps, then there won't be any noticeable difference.
@bjornotto98
@bjornotto98 8 жыл бұрын
How can you get 144 Fps?
@Runs-InCircles
@Runs-InCircles 8 жыл бұрын
+Lyrous Depends on the game and your system, pretty much any modern computer will be able to reach 144fps in CS:GO which is the main reason gamers buy 144hz monitors. And you're right goreuncle while he was playing he was probably dropping below 120fps based on the first part of the video and fps drops feel much, much worse at higher framerates, this was a really bad test imo.
@bjornotto98
@bjornotto98 8 жыл бұрын
Yes i bougut a 60Hz IPS Gaming Monitor because i know i wont be able to get more than 60 Frames in the Future and i dont play Csgo and Minecraft anymore
@Lincolnator721
@Lincolnator721 8 жыл бұрын
+Goreuncle 144Hz? NASA wants their computer back.
@spunkflunk
@spunkflunk 9 жыл бұрын
the hertz rate isnt about FPS, it just makes the picture look smother when there is movement on the screen
@Bigevilfishy
@Bigevilfishy 9 жыл бұрын
If the fps cannot keep up with the hz, then having a higher hz is unnecessary. These comments make it seem like there is no connection between the two.
@spunkflunk
@spunkflunk 9 жыл бұрын
there is a connection but thats not the only thing hz is, 60fps @ 120hz looks much smoother and nicer than 60fps @ 60 hz. trust me
@aza1498
@aza1498 9 жыл бұрын
spunkflunk No. 120hz does display 120 fps.. trust ME as I have a 144hz screen and HAVE tested the difference. which means my screen has 144fps capability and also responds alot faster than a 60hz screen as it is refreshing more often
@chrisk7863
@chrisk7863 9 жыл бұрын
spunkflunk bollocks
@chrisk7863
@chrisk7863 9 жыл бұрын
***** bollocks,too
@vapenation7061
@vapenation7061 8 жыл бұрын
Your testing methodology was wrong. If the monitor displays 120FPS and you are playing with 84 on a standstill, it's not going to work.
@vapenation7061
@vapenation7061 8 жыл бұрын
Because?
@amirmsaad1576
@amirmsaad1576 8 жыл бұрын
+toyota prius memes because he said he's gonna change the settings to fit 120hz. And I love you Toyota prius and I love those ads
@vapenation7061
@vapenation7061 8 жыл бұрын
Amir M'Saad I missed that. How can this guy not tell a difference between the two? There is a huge difference between 60 and 120. I can easily tell apart 75Hz from 60, it's just more responsive and smooth. Thank you :P
@amirmsaad1576
@amirmsaad1576 8 жыл бұрын
BananiaMan™ k
@justuslm
@justuslm 5 жыл бұрын
Exactly what I was thinking, the difference is way too small to be very noticeable by someone who usually plays minecraft at 60 fps or less (since we all know how well it is optimized). At that point, what is going on on the screen has quite a big impact on the perception.
@mellowmike4183
@mellowmike4183 9 жыл бұрын
This guy is trying to use e to uscope and double-tap w to sprint. Minecraft XD "Average gamer"
@TheScorched4
@TheScorched4 8 жыл бұрын
+Günter KZbin Channel CS:GO To be fair you can double tap to sprint in BF4.
@ZPSBestProfileName
@ZPSBestProfileName 8 жыл бұрын
+Scorched Gaming Yeah and only the noobs do that
@TheScorched4
@TheScorched4 8 жыл бұрын
ZPSBestProfileName I used to use both since I played a shit ton of Arma 2.
@ZPSBestProfileName
@ZPSBestProfileName 8 жыл бұрын
Scorched Gaming Well the logic being that it takes marginally longer to double tap sprint than it does to hit it once. By "noob" I really just mean someone who is either ignorant or doesn't mind losing out that 0.2 seconds.
@TheScorched4
@TheScorched4 8 жыл бұрын
ZPSBestProfileName I would usually only do it out of combat, still using shift to sprint in combat. Like I said it was just habit.
@SgtJohnBambi
@SgtJohnBambi 10 жыл бұрын
The game was never running at 120 fps unless he was staring at the ground so i claim bullshit
@dhkatz_
@dhkatz_ 10 жыл бұрын
***** The game was still never running at 120 fps
@SgtJohnBambi
@SgtJohnBambi 10 жыл бұрын
Just judging by the initial test he was getting around 90 fps not 120
@johns2975
@johns2975 10 жыл бұрын
fps and refresh rate of a monitor are 2 compleetly different things. The card did't run at full 120fps but the monitor did. The monitor refreshes 120 frames every second so if the card runs at 60fps the monitor shows every frame 2 times. Annyway, refresh rate is such bullcrap and just a way to sell it and let people think 120 refresh rate is better. Above 60fps whe cant notice anny changes. thats why i recommend to always turn on v-sync if not your card will ALWAYS run at full power when not needed and generates alot of heat what will cost you you'r card to die faster. afcourse you can turn it off if you get belowe 60fps if you like it better and dont like the input lag.
@evvo123
@evvo123 10 жыл бұрын
***** Utter bullshit. Why do people keep repeating this crap? Do you have a 120Hz monitor? The difference is night and day, assuming you get a steady 120FPS+ in a game.
@johns2975
@johns2975 10 жыл бұрын
evvo123 :Source WIKI: The refresh rate (most commonly the "vertical refresh rate", "vertical scan rate" for CRTs) is the number of times in a second that a display hardware updates its buffer. This is distinct from the measure of frame rate in that the refresh rate includes the repeated drawing of identical frames, while frame rate measures how often a video source can feed an entire frame of new data to a display" The actualy fps of the game depends on your card, your card and monitor are synced at 120hz so when your card isn't done rendering it sends the same picture until its done rendering the next frame. and so on. So the monitor is showing 120 frames per second.
@Haleskinn
@Haleskinn 9 жыл бұрын
Human Eye Specifications (typical): Sensor (Retina) : 22mm diameter x 0.5mm thick (section); 10 layers Resolution : 576MP equiv. Visual Acuity : ~ 74 MP (Megapixels) (printed) to show detail at the limits of human visual acuity ISO : 1 - 800 equivalent Data Rate : 500,000 bits per second without colour or around 600,000 bits per second including colour. Lens : 2 lenses - 16mm & 24mm diameter Dynamic Range - Static : contrast ratio of around 100:1 (about 6 1/2 f-stops) (4 seconds) Dynamic Range - Dynamic : contrast ratio of about 1,000,000:1 (about 20 f-stops) (30 minutes) Focal Length : ~ 3.2mm - (~ 22mm 35mm equiv) Aperture : f2.1 - f8.3 (f3.5 dark-adapted is claimed by the astronomical community) FOV Field of View : 95° Out, 75° Down, 60° In, 60° Up Color Space - 3D (non-linear) RGB Color Sensitivity : 10,000,000 (ten million) Color Range : 380 to 740 nm White Balance : Automatic (constant perceived color under different lighting) Refresh Rate : foveal vision (high-quality telescopic) - 3-4fps; peripheral vision (very inaccurate) - up to 90fps
@SprunkG
@SprunkG 9 жыл бұрын
using vsync makes this comepletely useless, the main appeal of 120hz is that your aiming feels more connected to your hand, everything you do immeadiately happens on screen. Vsync with it's input lag completely negates that effect.
@Calyx
@Calyx 9 жыл бұрын
Agreed. As an avid CS and Dota player, when I first got my BenQ XL2411Z I really noticed the diffrences. However, I never really used vsync because my rigs couldn't really handle it and it would just kill the fps but since I built a beastly rig last year, oh boy. Now Linus also ran the game on ultra, on a single gpu. This test was very unreliable because the fps was anywhere between 60 to 120 but never steady 120.. Maybe if he put the graphics on medium, the test would be more reliable. But you can't tell the diffrence between 60 and 80 basically.
@Calyx
@Calyx 9 жыл бұрын
***** People that don't know shit about 'puters and just want everything to be ON or on ultra. Mostly.
@Hwyadylaw
@Hwyadylaw 9 жыл бұрын
Calyx Or people like me who don't like tearing
@GaudyGabriev
@GaudyGabriev 9 жыл бұрын
McDucky ^ That. I won't use VSync if I can help it, but between tearing and VSync, i'll choose VSync any time.
@oscarbergner
@oscarbergner 9 жыл бұрын
Back in the days you could use a tiny program called Refresh lock, to be able to run 100hz with vsync enabled. this isnt a problem for modern games thou i think. cause like old cs you got so much tearing from not using vsync. But hardware is alot better today aswell.
@DeadmanNasser
@DeadmanNasser 9 жыл бұрын
if a Gamer Plays at 120fps most of the time he'll notice the Difference when a game is at 60fps... but put a casual gamer who didn't play alot of 60fps games "since Consoles doesn't have that much of 60fps games" he might not tell the Difference between 60fps and 120fps cuz his eyes are not used to it ... and then there is TV motion enhancers which go up to 120hz and beyond .. when enabled it can make a 30fps game have a smoother experience "soap opera effect"
@qoki2244
@qoki2244 9 жыл бұрын
DeadmanNasser there is really only one case where higher fps makes a difference 1. If your monitor can handle it I tried playing witcher 3 on my 60hz monitor on uncapped fps and it went from 60 - 70, 75 and i could barley tell the difference. in fact, it actually looked worse at anything higher than 60
@SwissCow85
@SwissCow85 8 жыл бұрын
The Human Eye perceiving 220 Frames Per second has been proven. this was proven by the USAF a many years ago when testing their pilot's Visual Response time, they found that they could perceive 1 picture at 1/220th of a second. though that isn't the limit to what are eyes can perceive, it's just the highest I've seen/heard of so far. so those few Console gamers you're speaking of, are complete idiots, and do not reflect all Console gamers.
@georgeking7438
@georgeking7438 8 жыл бұрын
Agreed. But console gamers haven't totally made up "Can't see above 24 FPS" A study showed that the human eye starts seeing motion beyond 24 FPS (Thats why 24 is considered the minimum playable frame rate.) You see smoother motion beyond 24 FPS, but many chose to ignore that fact and make their ludicrous claims that "The human eye can't see above 24 FPS"
@lordv1le859
@lordv1le859 8 жыл бұрын
That's a PILOT though. An army pilot has vision in the top 5% at least and has training to spot things that are very small and moving very fast. Hardly comparable to an average person. 30 is fine, obviously more is better up to a point but it's not like its remotely important.
@taddensetlie
@taddensetlie 8 жыл бұрын
It is if we consider input lag. It's not just about how it looks, you know.
@stevepham8443
@stevepham8443 8 жыл бұрын
20/20 vision would affect your natural depth of field, and how far you can see things, rather than how fast your brain is processing the stimuli.
@hydrochloricacid2146
@hydrochloricacid2146 8 жыл бұрын
Well technically, the eye i analog, but yeah
@Maitai22
@Maitai22 10 жыл бұрын
I play Battlefield 4 at 110-150hz ish, it fluctuates depending on how intense the visuals are (a lot of detail, or minimal). I've been playing Battlefield 4 for 3-4 months now at that speed. When I was testing my overclock for my CPU, I intentionally set the detail to 2560 by 1140 at 60 FPS to test my CPU voltage and heat output, I could clearly see a difference. Now right up front going from 60-120, most people can't tell. I played at 60hz a few years back, I upgraded to a 120 hz TV, I couldn't tell. When you go back to 60... you can tell. Your eyes get accustom, they adapt. Just like when you leave a dark room, your eyes have to adjust to the light. Sometimes, people can see a difference in 60-120 upfront, but it's MAINLY through SLI or Crossfire, called micro shuttering.
@graphicboy
@graphicboy 9 жыл бұрын
He need 120 fps in game performance constant, so he can see the difference between 60 fps vs 120 fps in game performance. 84 fps only makes 24 fps to differentiate.
@izzyhopeunlisted
@izzyhopeunlisted 8 жыл бұрын
2:40 we're on a budget here. while i stare at the flashing lights from the multi thousand dollar pc
@Cheepchipsable
@Cheepchipsable 8 жыл бұрын
+Ace the Dolphin Guy - Sponsors send him that gear, plus that would be included in the budget!
@izzyhopeunlisted
@izzyhopeunlisted 8 жыл бұрын
Cheepchipsable i know. i was joking
@coomcake
@coomcake 9 жыл бұрын
The argument that your eyes can't see over 60fps is just false. Eyes do not have a refresh rate and see in real time, so there is no refresh rate that would be faster than the eye could see.
@WeThErOcKsTaRs
@WeThErOcKsTaRs 9 жыл бұрын
I think what was neat was the fact he could tell a difference. No human can tell you the frame rate, but if you notice any difference (60+) then the answer is yes. No, he may have not gotten the numbers right but unless he was just pure guessing he could tell there was some type of difference.
@NoiretircGaming
@NoiretircGaming 9 жыл бұрын
Linus is so stupid, "yeah we wanna keep these settings" YOU JUST TOLD HIM YOU CHANGED IT FFS
@bobsagget823
@bobsagget823 8 жыл бұрын
Incredibly flawed and meaningless experiment. Framerate in the parking lot was 80s, so definitely going to be lower in the firefight. 120hz isn't truly 120hz if your fps floor isn't hitting 120. Your commentary during the test also influences the subject. Blinding is useless if you're not going to shut your trap and let the player focus. This is just horrid experimental design. Instead of throwing the player in @ 120hz you should have let him play for a bit at 60, then started the tests. You should have also repeated the same scene (revert to checkpoint) instead of letting him go where ever. That is an obvious variable that you didn't control for. Basically this test didn't generate any useful data and tells us nothing about anything.
@andiroidYT
@andiroidYT 8 жыл бұрын
+bobsagget823 '120hz isn't truly 120hz if your fps floor isn't hitting 120.' - completely wrong. FPS and refresh are separate things completely. You can easily tell what refresh you are on even at 30fps.
@lognature2428
@lognature2428 8 жыл бұрын
+andiroidYT i play minecraft at 300 fps but 60hz,and i can totally tell the diffrence
@tn8155
@tn8155 10 жыл бұрын
Let me hit w harder to go faster
@MikeRetroModz
@MikeRetroModz 9 жыл бұрын
As a CS:GO player i can very much see if its 60hz or 144hz
@ROGUESPIRIT_
@ROGUESPIRIT_ 9 жыл бұрын
Helvecio Neto no fucking shit, there'd be no fucking point in buying one then
@ROGUESPIRIT_
@ROGUESPIRIT_ 9 жыл бұрын
Helvecio Neto you're a weak troll.
@stab7576
@stab7576 9 жыл бұрын
Lol
@LPAmir
@LPAmir 9 жыл бұрын
beshj No he is right. You only get less tearing and thats it
@ROGUESPIRIT_
@ROGUESPIRIT_ 9 жыл бұрын
Counter them all you're an idiot
@breguera77
@breguera77 8 жыл бұрын
Gotta love all the arguing over who is an isnt a real gamer. People who play video games regularly are gamers. It does not matter what console you bought, or what you have in the case of your pc
@adeelrehman7692
@adeelrehman7692 8 жыл бұрын
+Brendan Reguera but hes not an AVERAGE gamer
@SwiftHDX
@SwiftHDX 8 жыл бұрын
+Adeel Rehman Any average gamer can tell the difference. Stop with your peasant excuses.
@adeelrehman7692
@adeelrehman7692 8 жыл бұрын
SwiftHDX I play on pc mate. Really think about shit. It is a fact that it becomes harder to tell the difference as you move up, in increments of 30. So the difference between 30 and 60 is huge, but 60 and 90 is big, but smaller, and so on. I can't really comment on after about 90, since I have an 80hz monitor. Getting a 144hz soon.
@SwiftHDX
@SwiftHDX 8 жыл бұрын
Adeel Rehman For me anything below 50 is unplayable. 50 is the limit. I don't know how console peasants can even be called gamers.
@adeelrehman7692
@adeelrehman7692 8 жыл бұрын
SwiftHDX i tried maxing out the graphics on wolfenstein, I was only getting like 30 fps. It was unplayable. I put it on medium and got 55 to 60 fps. It really depends on the game for me. An fps has to be 60. An mmo or minecraft, 30 is fine.
@elvoria
@elvoria 4 жыл бұрын
Wonder why manufacturer still producing 120hz product? Baiting all the rich kids?
@frogdeity
@frogdeity 2 жыл бұрын
Basically. Can just markup monitor prices without doing anything.
@talhamalik1190
@talhamalik1190 8 жыл бұрын
He has never played battlefield before so how is he an average gamer
@darkki94
@darkki94 8 жыл бұрын
i am kind of a hardcore gamer and i have not played BF and CoD so ?
@DiamondCookie101
@DiamondCookie101 8 жыл бұрын
well it sort of depends on the game genre, if somebody only plays LoL then they could be average/hardcore but still bad at battlefield because the play MOBAs not FPSs
@HansLandaNaranja
@HansLandaNaranja 7 жыл бұрын
Im an average gamer and I have never played battlefield.
@pimpboiijimboseen3143
@pimpboiijimboseen3143 6 жыл бұрын
Talha Malik because battlefield is shit
@redvibes9949
@redvibes9949 7 жыл бұрын
TIL average gamers are legally blind. Also love how you pretty much gave away whether you were changing the settings or not.
@kkprokingtv
@kkprokingtv 8 жыл бұрын
i can feel the difference between 60Hz and 75Hz.. Wtf is this dude.?
@kutuzovm3215
@kutuzovm3215 8 жыл бұрын
+baronkk No you cant. You just convince yourself you can
@Kurtwell
@Kurtwell 8 жыл бұрын
+baronkk i remember having a 17 crt monitor many years ago and it was a huge noticeable difference between 60 hz and 75 but that's not the case
@SimonZellox
@SimonZellox 7 жыл бұрын
I clearly feel it and It annoys me that I have to go back to 60hz just to get 1080p...
@konkola3295
@konkola3295 8 жыл бұрын
Average gamer? He's a console player. He thought you run by double tapping W like in Minecraft. He's not an average PC gamer. We should have someone else change the settings and have Linus try to guess. That's a better representation of us. Just realized that the next suggested video is just that. ^
@blakedies
@blakedies 8 жыл бұрын
I've just bought a Asus VG248QE 24-inch 144hz monitor - which cable should I use for the best image quality and to make use of the 144hz??? HELP
@MrWarpig18
@MrWarpig18 8 жыл бұрын
display port cable
@quantumfrost9467
@quantumfrost9467 8 жыл бұрын
Luc Greg Do you mind me asking a peasant question? What sorts of cables are there and what's the difference between them
@MrWarpig18
@MrWarpig18 8 жыл бұрын
www.cnet.com/news/hdmi-vs-displayport-vs-dvi-vs-vga-which-connection-to-choose/ this article should be able to help you out
@FSXgta
@FSXgta 7 жыл бұрын
ONLY displayport or dual link dvi support over 60hz. Make sure your gpu is outputting 144hz too.
@NOSfusion
@NOSfusion 7 жыл бұрын
Hmm, I'm pretty sure HDMI can support 120Hz.
@chen_h3
@chen_h3 8 жыл бұрын
Math time: if you turn your view and image moves 20cm/s (medium speed), at 60 fps, u will see a 3mm blur, but in 120hz, u should see the blur under 1.7 mm, the problem is can u notice a difference between 3.5mm and 1.7 mm instantly? (100fps will give u about 2mm blur). If u can't immediately notice a difference between 3.5mm and 2mm, then stick with 60hz, if u can see the difference between 2 and 1.7 mm, then go 120hz(at here I mean instantly, not side by side comparison)
@lolololololollollol1
@lolololololollollol1 7 жыл бұрын
If this video's comment section has taught me anything it's that gamers insist on talking about things they know absolutely nothing about.
@Sir4Paco
@Sir4Paco 7 жыл бұрын
that's the case for most people on most things for most comment sections, trust me hah
@brodylockwood14
@brodylockwood14 9 жыл бұрын
Should i get a 144Hz 1080p g-sync monitor? Or a 60Hz 1440p g-sync monitor. Or a 60hz 4k monitor (No G-sync)
@brodylockwood14
@brodylockwood14 9 жыл бұрын
mailman711965 Thanks, well first off yeah my pc can handle it, and i was planning on playing games like battlefield and battlefront later this year as well other steam games and Fallout 4. i think i might go with 144hz as i have heard great things about it and i think 1080p is already good enough. Thanks for your help.
@brodylockwood14
@brodylockwood14 9 жыл бұрын
***** Well I've looked into it. And i've seen an i7 4790k GTX 980ti run gta v at 1440p well above 60 fps so i was gonna go with that monitor because i am getting the same cpu and gtx i mentioned. Thanks anyway
@GideonGuitar
@GideonGuitar 9 жыл бұрын
brody lockwood actually asus and acer have released 1440p 144hz monitors. ASUS MG279q (ips - better color accuracy), ASUS ROG Swift (TN panel - less color accuracy), Acer XB270HU (ips). The IPS monitors listed have been known to have dead pixels and backlight bleeding out of the box, so if I were you, I wouldn't take the chance. :D
@brodylockwood14
@brodylockwood14 9 жыл бұрын
MG2112 Yeah thanks. I was going to gi fer the Xb27. Because i heard it's better. i think i will even thought it's a risk. hopefully mine doesn't come with those issues.
@NikiDimitrov
@NikiDimitrov 9 жыл бұрын
brody lockwood first one
@sebastiant5789
@sebastiant5789 8 жыл бұрын
Average Gamer:: never played bF3 wow,.
@DirEnGay
@DirEnGay 8 жыл бұрын
Hence why he's the average gamer. Look at BF3 sales, look how many people play games. Wow! As much as you like or dislike this statement, the 'average gamer' is probably sat right now on his mobile phone playing flash games.
@darkki94
@darkki94 8 жыл бұрын
i am above average gamer ( playing for years everyday ) and i have not played CoD or BF ... so ? well i do have like 5000+ hours of WoW :D
@vals3810
@vals3810 8 жыл бұрын
Maybe because people like cs:go or other games more? Not everyone needs to play every game.
@kespec
@kespec 9 жыл бұрын
got a 144hz display, and there is a remarkable difference between 60hz and 144hz at 140-150fps constant. simply beautiful. fluidity is recognizable even at 60 fps but i don't believe an average gamer would notice it
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