I WISH EVERY STUDENTS WAS LIKE THIS!

[@JoeWatElse]

I was the Shyvana in this video and just want to thank you again Neace! I was exhausted and so out of it but I'm glad I did this at my worst so I learned the most.

[@SpokenByElswyth]

well done!

[@JoeWatElse]

sidenote grandma was slow but at least she stole drag lol

[@multitasker8149]

This is not a mocking comment but rather response to your feeling about people still leveling up with mouse. I always play with flex camera, for like 15 years now ever since warcraft so it is also surprise me that a lot of people playing with camera lock. I mean same with leveling with mouse. So that happens, right out there, a lot, and it drags the experience down a lot. So I am very happy that you can fix the camera lock

[@JoeWatElse]

@@SpokenByElswyth thank you!

[@twayneguitar]

Hey bud, I left a few comments on my thoughts as a simple Neace enjoyer and d4 peak jungler. All of my comments are coming from a genuine place of looking to help and completely understand that you made mistakes and moved slower than you probably would have off stream, so take it with a grain of salt and keep trying my dude :)

[@BenAndSamS]

woah! im d2 and the thought of doing gromp before blue to get it to respawn faster never occurred to me! i usually watch these for entertainment but this was helpful :)

[@NEACE]

I know! it seems so obvious in hindsight.

[@michaelforrest6193]

Makes perfect sense. In addition, remembering to do it on future clears with blue should actually increase efficiency too once you learn the habit. I noticed the 2nd or 3rd blue clear this student did blue first. Probably a good habit to practice across the board. Faster jg camp rests = faster gold. Also adds more time to blue buff for ganks.

[@PsychoPala]

I kinda want to slap you, you are d2, i'm in mid gold and i know that i need to do the gromp before blue.

[@nykyrian8278]

I've always done this, but not for this reason. I've always done it because it put me in-between rotating mid or bot.

[@tuber856]

@@NEACE Hey neace I noticed you didnt really critic the first clear, shyv can get 3:20 if you practice. He needs to for example let raptors sit in w and only at the end E them all so that the jungle item burn finishes them off, otherwise you will need to waste auto attack. This will lead you to be late for kill opportunities, lvl 6 or scuttle

[@jubacabra]

That's what I want to see. An open constructive criticism from what he and I can learn from. Thank you neace!

[@ScholarZero]

This player got a lot of free value from Neace then paid it back by booking. Quality mindset for a player, I hope they achieve their goals.

[@Dreadlyyyyy]

12:23 I think it would be good to do gromp and blue at the same time. Since she says item and full hp. Normally we would do it if we had baumi off rip. It’s fast and efficient

[@thomashalverson9367]

Not worth it considering how Shyvs E works. Champs like Kayn, Fiddle, Amumu, most definitely

[@benamende5897]

@@thomashalverson9367 Doing both camps is always faster than doing them one after the other. Shyvana E and W and bamis do damage to both camps. You just auto the one with most hp to make the most of E on hit.

[@Raniaska0306]

The client's voice is like ASMR for me, music to my ears

[@Bighomer5]

I'm also in Bronze. Interesting to see others struggle with looking at the map and making decisions quickly, which isn't such an issue for me but then I'm just button smashing all I've got in fights :D

[@ce8539]

this guy sure do be liking to talkkkkk lol

[@CrowdPop]

He said my friend who’s “plat” but I thought he said black. I’m like why does it matter?😂😂😂

[@strixzahven2742]

Because black lives matter :P

[@TheOneAndOnlyxftu]

GO NEACE GO, WOOT! One of, if not, the best coaches out there.

[@Greedman456]

Just my tidbit as a longterm shyvana player, warmogs would be far stronger than hourglass. Also neace is ofc correct telling you to go tank, just the demonic is enough dmg

[@turnipkupo7263]

Is it not slightly in the realms of bad mindset if youre chatting constantly? Of course, its not the worst problem to have but I feel that, even though they played well, the client could have concentrated even more.

[@How2HateYT]

Shyv with ignite or exhaust early game is easy money. She can 1v1 almost any jungler in the game that brings flash/smite

[@charleston.n6433]

The 100th best student

[@yassinekhiari2814]

The way he starts drake kills me 😭😭😭

[@Ravengaurd7354]

I'm trying to understand pathing cause jg and top are to me the most chill roles. when i want to gank a lane do i path to the lane? what im trying to say is if i was to gank top. should i start chicks then work my way up? and if i gank bot do i do wolves and work my way down?

[@sambaldwin6151]

at 10 minutes the wave was coming in on the tower, do you think he should have taken it somewhere else entirely or just waited for wave to push in for guaranteed hit from Herald?

[@moodmaker2796]

Camera control... Ever since I started playing MOBAs I just used WASD to control the camera. I had no patience to drag it with my mouse or focus it on me and have no vision xD

[@MD69BarrelKilla]

14:20 I never ever seen a blast cone there.

[@izzymcgdog7653]

Where is the jungle spreadsheet?

[@punch-lines]

That gank at 6:50 could have been way better. Just walk in normal form en use R when Quinn walking away. Or worse case, flashes ;)

[@Thevoidlezz]

I had laners that inted early gank my lane as shyvana had the support bitching when i said i cant gank pre 6 on shyvanna

[@Potentiallymad]

Why just use W randomly sometimes?

[@Fermi_Consistency]

neace do u coach d1/masters players?

[@devilishcombo]

He coaches anyone who pays for his coaching.

[@marcusmeins1839]

All ranks .

[@vilmerplays1959]

coach curtis is much better at high elo tho

[@SmallVictories9]

He does, but at that point it becomes less "coaching" and more you picking his brain about how he would handle a situation differently. Since he has high regard for anyone in dimond+ he can't coach you the same way he does low elo.

[@semproser19]

@@SmallVictories9 Really that's much more what coaching should be and traditionally is. Videos like this are much more teaching/instructionals than coaching.

[@IIBLANKII]

One of your older videos titles ring so true here. "Bronze don't know how to end games." ~bronze player.

[@lostpulse9702]

He definitely needs to practice his clear. There are so many little things he is doing wrong while clearing that could make a huge difference all together.

[@damonvi013]

the top gank at 7min is something my average junglers, even in plat, dont do. they DONT skip doing a camp when an enemy is pushed up. junglers seem to get into this trap of "i do this camp, THEN gank", instead of "the gank opportunity is there, i'll take it, THEN do my guaranteed camps". it honestly tilts me that players at that point in elo STILL dont get that concept.

[@arriswaasdorp4111]

I have one question neace? Why didn’t you let him invade his blue after red? Since you knew gwen started red and gwen was almost sure to help out bot with the tribush invade. I would like to hear reasons to do or not to do that in these instances (since i am just a silver/gold player)

[@himissisgaming]

invading on farm jungles is bad because u rely on your camps respawning to level them up and gain more xp, invading has way less value now that crabs are worth literally nothing early as u have to full clear to get lvl 4, lets say he skips krugs and goes to the blue and does gromp, it delys his lvl 6 and he cant gank till lvl 6, other champs like talon xin u can invade and skip camps because ur goal is to remove enemy jungle from the game and create pressure rather than farm and become a hyper carry

[@jorgebonafe]

18:35 We can hear Gwen in the fog of war, wtf? Is this a bug?

[@NEACE]

Post production quirk. Because discord doesn't send the game audio when sharing the entire screen, I record a replay of the game and add it in post. -Editor Mo Nipple

[@jorgebonafe]

@@NEACE I see, cool

[@nobeldum5417]

I want to get coaching but im so on and off with the game. it is to get better but i feel like with the rate i play this game it would be a waste of neace's time xd. would be pretty cool to have someone as experienced as him telling me all of my mistakes that i havent noticed and telling me how to fix them.

[@messwithhelpy]

THIS GUY DOES NOT NEED COFFEE

[@sillyme2598]

thank you for calling out his shit at 23:26 finally coz its bugging me out that hes ALWAYS kiting it to the left

[@multitasker8149]

It bugged the most of this too. Even if I don't main jgl and I got filled, I always staticly stand at the exit point toward my next destination, rather than directly on the camp like that

[@willek1335]

"Looks good." -Me, not a jungler.

[@shrimp2751]

@@willek1335 if you kite to the right yiu will close the distance to wolfs=faster clear, what he done was crucial

[@giorgosdamiris2260]

Hi neace I am otp gp top 1000 eune. I wanted to know how to climb in the leaderboard

[@jacobmorris3295]

Title: "I WISH EVERY STUDENTS WAS LIKE THIS!" XD g1 neace

[@zangasperic11]

i don't understand, is it sarcasm?

[@annmarieclifton-james7404]

Anyone else see the krug dodge the e at 28:12 ??? :o

[@ackerman7735]

Yes but it doesn't matter because it will automatically disappear and the camp will reset anyway. At this specific moment it's not worth going back to get the last small krug since it's only worth 13 gold and he would have lost a couple of seconds doing so. Those seconds could be the difference of the outcome in the next teamfight / objective

[@Whatismyname146]

Every time you told this guy to farm his response was 'oh usually id skip farm here to gank' then at 20 minutes hes like 'Yeah usually id have like a liiiiiittle more CS than this?? O.o'? No bro you wouldnt have more CS without neace xD You know when people just say stuff

[@willek1335]

That's because dragons are communists, they lane tax you to death. :D

[@benamende5897]

@@willek1335 It is true. I take our kill and our cannon, and then I win us our game.

[@bubbajones4787]

loved seeing your cat lol

[@ScholarZero]

Demonic Embrace all the damage an ap tank needs

[@stocktonbailey8701]

How is this dude missing one of the most unmissable skill shots in the game man

[@kurosaki1620]

lol as a shyv main ive missed some questionable e's in my lifetime

[@twayneguitar]

It's really bothering me that he's not double camping blue/gromp. I don't think he did it once the entire game, and I don't think it wasn't touched on. Also he used smite on small crab instead of big crab at 4:18 when it was up the entire time he was killing big crab. Things like that are really important to incorporate as much as you can as a jungler. Maybe it's not being touched on because other things are more important, but this is entry level stuff for junglers, obsessing over every second you can save in a clear. Maybe there's an argument for being afraid of being low and getting invaded for not double camping sometimes(esp on blue side), but you're red side and started red buff, so like 80% of the time you're pathing away from the enemy jungler so there's a very low chance of that being a risk. If someone has a better explanation for why those 2 things aren't being touched on please let me know.

[@JustShotsForMeh]

Because it looks on paper like Shyvana can double camp easily with W, but you just have more DPS just auto attacking with E, you can hit Gromp and blue with another E once you kited enough between autos, but again, you'd much rather have a full E duration to auto attack than doing fancy shit for the W ticks.

[@VancAndZosynGuy]

Also the way he threw the E at golems, wolves and chickens never once hit all of them. Make a very big difference in clear speed especially on first clear.

[@xiariser-213]

@@VancAndZosynGuy this, every single time this. It bothered the hell out of me. Fling the E, fine, but the intent is to get it to touch all the little chickens and initiate the scorch, then after a few ticks start the w and continue the scorch. And it hurt my soul to see him have to auto attack 1hp chickens every time afterwards. The understanding of utilizing the E effectively bothered the shit out of me, and it happened on every single camp, every time, thru the entire game. There was even a point late, when the baby stone bros were single file running at him and he waited, then E'd them. And neace said "good" "perfect". God I wanted to lose my shit. Never, in the history of ever, did we not want to save that E cool down for initiating the scorch ticks on the raptors at the next camp. Plan the stone bros camp better, to w tick finish the baby stone bros, while moving towards raptors with the E available. This entire game, every time, without fail, was not a shyvana game, it was a default jg doing jg things.

[@xiariser-213]

Shyvana 1st and 2nd clear she isn't strong enough to double camp blue/gromp. She will die every time. And you have to save 2nd smite for scuttle. It's a 1 smite big stone bro clear. However, to get the time and efficiency down, it's good to practice kiting the blue towards gromp within E range, then when it's low enough for survivability, send the E thru blue into gromp to get it moving. Saves 1 full cool down cycle, and gets to use the W cool down cycle as well. Its small and minor, but it's good practice to save about 10 seconds. I wouldn't expect it for this, but its good if shyvana was the champ he intended to become familiar with

[@Nuvizzle]

Some junglers are just too weak on first clear to double camps up, they'll just die if they do it. Shyvana will absolutely die if she tries to do blue and gromp at the same time. I know it's hard to imagine if you're only used to playing the easy mode junglers that are full health the entire time they're clearing and are immune to invades, but it's actually a big factor Riot uses to balance junglers in higher elo where people actually invade weak junglers regularly which makes it so even on some champs where you can technically double camps up and survive the clear on like 10% HP I would never do it unless I knew for a fact where the jungle, support, and mid are, because I know the odds of someone poking their nose in just to see are pretty high.

[@gizmakthegushaa5707]

25:35 kitty

[@lalalallaallala]

Half way through the vid and I dont know the rank of the student, pretty crap to not have it mentioned

[@lalalallaallala]

ah at 16:50 he mentions bronze

[@leoadler4095]

Also it’s in the descpription

[@pablovera03]

16:35 he is bronze

[@chillslip4714]

in description rppt

[@noidsuper]

Description bro read

[@TheMCmace]

lvling with ALT is way better then with CTRL tbh

[@neytria6182]

25:36 meow

[@gshepherd6141]

wasted 2 rift...but i mean their mid had to go top twice

[@Andyisgodcky]

Biggest lesson from Neace: stop wasting time

[@mlgmcdonaldsland7063]

He's used this same thumbnail and video title 900 times

[@joey1717]

He needs to stop holding onto two smites

[@bretts3046]

Comment for the algorithm.

[@MittyNispa]

kittums gameplay

[@kevinkirikal4917]

yes

[@DoctorNerf]

Personally I don’t like clients that want to talk permanently. You should be looking at the map, lane positioning, vision, gank opps, objective timers etc. Not saying “I remember a video” everytime there is 3 seconds of silence.

[@owenperez7886]

This guy was pretty annoying to listen to ngl

[@blunder4535]

thank god someone said it

[@SCEndbringer]

man this guy was chatty, neace straight tuning him out most of the time lolol

[@albright5536]

I Play with Joe a ton and he still sucks after this. Gonna need another coaching on how not to be dookie.

[@libertybelllocks7476]

What gave it away? the 500 games and still Bronze 1?

[@guitarelbohy117]

I wish i get a session with neace but i can’t afford it and i am from egypt and can’t do anything but it’s a dream for me to get a coaching session with him even if it was for 5 min 🥺❤️

[@zariosmation3462]

I truly dont mean to be a nerd emoji but....... you mispelled your title 🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓

[@zealdestroyer7600]

Mornin

[@SindyxLotus]

I literally can't watch a video where in the people pronounce her name Shyv. One, it's Shy. If you're gonna short hand her name, you don't normally read it Shyv-ana. You read it as Sh-vana you don't pronounce the V to begin with. She has a Y in her name. Her name is Shy-vana Shyvana. Shy. My Shy, don't butcher her name by calling her Shyv and RITO don't you botch my Shy's VGU!

[@andy6302]

What elo is this? Camera position and potions like ever? God my elo is so inappropriate. Neace praises students that do half of what they are expected and I do this already.

[@elpiplea6558]

omu asta are cele mai bune click baituri

[@1Sk8Kiid]

more than noob players the ones that tilt me the most are these dudes trying so hard to talk about everything kinda tryning to make small talk and b friends with neace, saying how they think about everyyyyyyything omg

[@gshepherd6141]

it's how you learn, if you think wrong then the coach can correct your thoughts. Part of the mindset.

[@shaezy19]

Alot of people losing it about the clear camp thingy. I mean hes new and bronze and getting coach because he wants to learn. Give him a break lol

[@HuskerDerp]

Wtf did I just watch. Jfc. People will pay for anything these days. The bar is so low. 🤣😂

[@gareth680]

Neace why are we still using the r word :/

[@kaikealoha2251]

Cuz no one cares

[@FriendlyKoalala]

4th

[@dsteddd6087]

Another elo inflated champion.))

[@JustShotsForMeh]

Gold Yone

[@voidzlord5344]

hes bronze and said he levle with CTRL ability since day 1, biggest CAP ever edit: if u take time to do research and u still end up in bronze, maybe just play the game and learn for ur self

[@k-jellrl]

I did too

[@amki346]

Maybe it isn't cap, maybe before playing league he watched league of legends videos or neace's videos.

[@whygoogle5977]

It’s pressing 2 buttons instead of 1 bro, not that unbelievable

[@FinlayWaters]

Yeah this isnt that unbelievable. if you’ve come from other mobas or have seen any neace coaching before it’s not that crazy

[@ImAxyl]

yeah the instant I started playing I looked for a faster way to level

[@xiariser-213]

I really don't want to be negative, and I just finally got out of iron so my opinion is literally meaningless; but this coaching bothers me, from the title to the game play. It's a perfect example of "neace jungle", because how neace coaches success in the jungle obviously works. But this guys doesn't play shyvana, he's playing default jg champ A, who happens to be strong after the durability patch. And it bothers me, a lot. Thru the entire video, starting at the 1st clear, I'm not even exaggerating when I say that literally every motion, move, mechanic and approach was default jg champ A, but this was not in any way playing shyvana, to the point where it is actual trolling. There are specific sequences and unique approaches to camps, that's are not difficult, but that are unique to how shyvana wants to be played. 1st clear told me everything; and even tho I also knew after 1st drag that we would win this game, the game itself bothered me a lot Edit: I'm only at the 24 min mark and it looks like we're throwing now, and the defects of not playing Shyvana are starting to show, so I don't actually know if we will win yet. 2nd edit: Shyvana R range is dictated by mouse position, if you have the cursor far away from you, you'll ult max range and drag any enemy in between with you along the path. If you hover the mouse short and tight, you'll ult range short to the cursor. To see this visually, you can turn on the settings or keyboard bind press for show abilities on cast, and if you hold R it won't cast but you can move the cursor around and see visually how it operates

[@TheBigYC]

I think that champ related nuances could be deliver better while watching the replay than in the middle of the game while there are other things to work on. He got some nice corrections on decision making, how to control pressure, how to clear camps and move on the map. If he is smart it will impact his gameplay on every roll.

[@xiariser-213]

@@TheBigYC yeah you're probably right, the follow up vod review is likely the best place to discuss the nuances, it just hurt my soul every time he flung an E at every camp but didn't initiate the scorch on as much of the camp as he could. On every camp he'd have to waste time auto attacking mini left overs, and it happened on every camp every time. And kept adding up. And it showed in combat against champions, that the familiarity of what shyvana wants to do was very different from the execution we were getting. And I seriously do not want to be negative and toxic like I see all the time in this community, but I'm not joking when I say that every single execution shyvana made was wrong and it hurts to watch it done like this

[@Nuvizzle]

Well this guy's new to the game and in bronze, and you said you had to struggle your way out of iron, so there's obviously something he's doing better than you. Kinda weird to say literally everything he's doing is wrong in that case.

[@JoeWatElse]

also fun fact i have her M7 and the way i played her after working 14hrs in the sun was a bit off considering im coaching with neace when im normally getting ready for bed lol and new at the game, but appreciate the words and wish you luck staying out of iron

[@xiariser-213]

@@JoeWatElse yeah bro, I'm really not trying to beat you up at all, seriously. I play after work as well, and I'm learning new things every video. I appreciate all the videos as something to teach me

[@hb51015]

Talks over too much :/

[@skinwalkerNA1]

stop paying neace for coaching I'm challenger this season and everything he does and stands for is shit he may know how to get u out of bad situations but that doesnt mean ur playing correctly i believe his coaching is over priced and fake stop paying for this

[@Draehir]

Everything he does and stands for? what do you suppose he stands for?

[@CarnageUndone]

Ooh we got a Tarzan Fanboy here

[@libertybelllocks7476]

Cool. POst a vid on your YT showing your rank in the game client. Until then, stfu.