Ned Christie - Cherokee Outlaw?

In 1887 NeDe WaDe aka Ned Christie, a Cherokee Nation blacksmith & statesman, was accused of murdering a deputy U.S. Marshal. The conflict that followed, sometimes referred to as Ned Christie's War, lasted 5 years and saw the media and law enforcement brand Christie as a rank outlaw. But how true were these claims? Was Ned Christie a criminal or simply a man unwilling to take the fall for a crime he didn't commit?
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[@davidthompson4883]

Sitting in the Quah drinking a beer revisiting this episode. My wife is Cherokee and I'm Choctaw. She has been to the sight of Neds fort. Anywho keep up the good work.

[@EndingSimple]

I'm glad you gave him respect by not showing that ghoulish death picture of him.

[@jerrypost9433]

Tahlequah is pronounced like "towel- a- kwaw" by Oklahomans.

[@maj3stikq122]

That’s where my family is from. 100% Cherokee. Bunch and Cookson Oklahoma

[@jamesblankenship470]

That's what I'm saying my family is from tahlequah Oklahoma and we always pronounced it different than how he's pronouncing it

[@jamesblankenship470]

@@maj3stikq122 really I got family from cookson too

[@StonrMoose69]

You clearly aren't from around here cuz anyone from or around tahlequah calls it the quah and pronounces it Tah-La-Cwah

[@joebiggers4703]

Council meetings held here. My dad will be attending this year. Who else is going?

[@lemhanback9595]

Nice job, several atrocities were still be caused as late at 1970s by the government. Like you I feel their plight is ingored all to often.

[@dannysimmons3167]

Loved this one very informative and kept me laughing. Keep making history fun to listen to

[@WildWestExtravaganza]

Thank you, Danny! Keep listening!

[@MrContemplation]

Being from Polk County Tennessee, I can confirm that the signs of the Cherokee are still everywhere. Finding arrow heads is common when turning the garden.

[@adamantium_1]

I came here after listening to the podcast Legends of the Old West. I was very intrigued in the story of Ned and now I'm hooked on your channel. I like the way you narrate it reminds me the narrator from Dukes of Hazzard. And I'm going to inquire to donate to a charity for the Native Americans. Your message towards the end messages opened my heart. Thank you. I look forward to more on your series. I'll keep within my video viewing listening rotation. ✌🏽

[@WildWestExtravaganza]

Thanks, legends of the old west is a great show!

[@larryreese6146]

Grew up and continue to live within a few miles of both the Zeke Proctor shootout at Whitmire and Ned's fort at Wauhilla. Know some of the descendants of both men. They're good folks. Enjoyed the podcast and ,as usual, appreciated the fair way the story was told. Food for thought: It could be that Ned knew he was innocent and saw no reason why he should have to defend himself in a white man's court for something he didn't do and that he shouldn't have to answer for. But there is another story. If you were starting across a foot log in as rough and tumble a place as Tahlequah at that time, and someone yelled at you out of the darkness and in a threatening way would you shoot first or would you take the time to ask him if he was a marshal? If he was a marshal and you'd already shot, then what would you do?

[@allanjohnson6083]

Smile

[@larryreese6146]

@@allanjohnson6083 😁

[@allanjohnson6083]

I think you were pretty close to the actual truth on Neds story ! There was no established truth to link him to the deputys death yet he was pursued as the killer! Very well done !

[@BeaverSmashing]

Sometimes I feel like it's Danny McBride narrating some cool old wild west stories.

[@DeadBlonde_80]

Glass was probably discovered by someone who may have seen sand hit by lightning, glass is mostly sand. Depends on the time in history. But yeah when lightning hits sand it turns to glass. I’m Chickasaw and my great grandmother got sent there too.

[@BenSHammonds]

there is a good book by Larry McMurtry titled Zeke and Ned about Christie, enjoyed reading it. The way to say the name of the town is more like Tally Kwa btw ;)

[@jackiereynolds2888]

I remember that series of books put out by Time-Life I remember a couple different ones. But I do remember Ned posing with his armaments - propped up whilst stone cold dead. I always confused him with Bill Doolin, reclines with a chest full of buck shot. DO ONE ON FRANK LESLIE

[@tracymurray9798]

Ned christy had hair almost to his ass was propped up fully clothed with his dead hands holding his Winchester! Bill doolin was layed out on some plank boards shirtless perforated with bullet holes with empty dead hands

[@davidpeterson144]

Awesome brother. I fall asleep listening to you cast, cuz I work for a living driving truck, but I like a good story and this soothes my 55 yr old souls yes soul's think I've been there done that! Or (Iam bat shit crazy) IDK your podcast is great and I can finally dream at night. Without drugs lol. Nice job Josh great stories and truth as best as you can find it , I send them to my friends . Keep up the great works and history my friend.✌️❤️🙏💯🇺🇸

[@WildWestExtravaganza]

Thanks man! Don't fall asleep driving!

[@BlueThunderPD05]

Good job with your story. I enjoyed listening to it. Had some funny parts in there too. Paden Tolbert was one of the Deputy U.S. Marshal’s who went to get Ned Christie. I’m from where Tolbert was raised in Arkansas. Paden served as a deputy sheriff in Johnson County prior to being a US Marshal. Paden’s brother John was also a marshal. Paden also served with another well known Deputy US Marshal Bud Ledbetter. Ledbetter was a town Marshal in Coal Hill, arkansas and a Johnson County Deputy prior to being a marshal. Locally the story is told that Paden and his posse met at the, later burned down, Johnson County Court house during the night so no one would know their plan. Then they rode the train to fort smith where they met some other Marshals and went to Talequah from there. Paden, OK was also named after Paden Tolbert.

[@TheTir1962]

My great great grandmother was Cherokee. She was a reservation bride. Wives were far and few between so quite a few younger brothers went into the territories and took Indian brides.

[@timothysinnemon]

From Cherokee and Creek heritage.Another great video.Look forward to the next one

[@WildWestExtravaganza]

Thank you, sir

[@OGWhinnyBaby29]

Dude this show is awesome! We love it!

[@maj3stikq122]

I am Cherokee. Family is from tahlequah Oklahoma. Cookson, keys and bunch Oklahoma. Many of this history runs way back into my family. I love these episodes thank you sir

[@WildWestExtravaganza]

Very cool, thank you

[@dennistate5953]

My aunt i love is back on tbe res. Love yo azz.

[@HillBillyEarl]

Josh Josh Josh...you're the Best! Nowhere in Kentucky is there gold nor silver. Southwest Virginia is your Secret Honey Hole! Probably where Swift was! Where many legends famous and Infamous was here. You check it out bub. God Bless!!!

[@markthomas4083]

So much research had to be found and placed in a sequence. Great research sir! The humor ads extra entertainment, much appreciated.

[@WildWestExtravaganza]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@treavorwhitlock5606]

The fact that he converted his pistols from black powder to cartridge is very impressive!

[@dakotabynum5137]

I wouldnt say impressive, he most likely just analyzed other guns enough to understand how it some what worked

[@richarddavis8115]

Someone likes timesuck. New subscriber I listened to all your videos tonight's 16 hour shift. Very enjoyable. Doesn't get boring at any point. Me being from same generation as you is a plus. Keep them coming. Confused about the numbering. Bloody beaver and this one. Think third from bottom said it was video 16. You got patron but unfortunately they don't take Google money

[@WildWestExtravaganza]

Hail Nimrod and welcome. Yeah, ignore any numbering.

[@UncutSavage9858]

@@WildWestExtravaganza . I was wondering if you have done an episode on " The Apache Kid " ..

[@basilhatte]

Thank you so much for this thorough, balanced accaount of his story. I too, have the Time-Life book, that piqued my interest in the man and WTF actually happened between the featured photo and the infamous "grip 'n grin" on the door. In the 40-odd years since, I've found little more than the 2 pix and the "renegade Injun" narrative. You've very masterfully told us "the rest of the story". And the contextual "epilogue" was so essential and well prsented. Full fuckin' respect and kudos!

[@WildWestExtravaganza]

Wow, thank you

[@UncutSavage9858]

Good episode. Not much is told about the Oklahoma history. Have you done an " Apache Kid " episode ?

[@jameschamblee3425]

Thumbs up really good story.

[@loganhuffman1078]

Hands down you have my absolute favorite channel on KZbin thank you for the content.

[@WildWestExtravaganza]

You're far too kind, Logan

[@jacksoncz8536]

I too read the Time Life books as a kid. I thought I knew something about history of this event. Boy was I wrong, thank you very much for this podcast. Great Job

[@danielwebster5748]

The posse for ned Christie had a picture of themselves taken just before the capture.. All the posse looked arrogant. That they were involved in history. One of the posse members was a young kid from 13 to 15.

[@phredphlintstone6455]

"How's the weather up there?" Spit on their head and tell them,"its raining"

[@hilarymckinnon5424]

That was the response I hear Wilt Chamberland used after hearing the same question so many times. I doubt it the same person asked twice.

[@dennistate5953]

John Eldridge was the first white property owner in now Hamilton County, TN, Chattanooga area. I have both his descendant, my great grandfather Arthur Columbus Davis, and his wife's native blood. The five civilized tribes..."...they called us civilized because we were easy to sneak up on..." "...one must be Indian to know these things..."

[@ovies7584]

Another job well done, love the passion you have for this subject and time in our great countries history. Always look forward to the next episode. Don't listen to HR bud OUTLAW UP and handle your business. Your episodes are always talked about at The Outlaw Saloon over a beer or Whisky depending on the taste of the day or just how drunk we want to get. Keep doing what you do love the podcast.

[@WildWestExtravaganza]

Love the Outlaw Saloon posse!!!!

[@ryanh9183]

Got that same Time Life book.

[@alexanderespada8871]

Read Ned's story about 20 yrs ago. Can't remember the author - lost the book somewhere. But what you recounted here was about the dame thing I'd read, even with the supossitions about the unknowns. Great job, Josh! Keep the good work up!

[@WildWestExtravaganza]

Thanks

[@andrewmantle7627]

Larry McMurtry wrote a story called "Zeke and Ned". A historical novel based on Ned's last year or two. Excellent book.

[@piwright42]

This is a tragedy. He seems to be a good man who got a bad shake. If your supposition is true, it's a crime.

[@first782]

I am descendant from Dan Maples, just extra bits to add to the story - He was killed the first night he had set up camp in the Cherokee nation. His son (Samuel) was also part of the group sent to find outlaws in the Cherokee nation. Dan and his son had come back from getting supplies from the nearby town and shots were fired from a nearby bush at the group, Samuel was behind his dad in the group and watched his dad get shot. He never returned to Oklahoma/Arkansas after Christie was killed, moving too California then Canada where he died in a blizzard. Before Christie was decided to be the only suspect, both the Cherokee nation and Benton county had rewards for the arrest of the killer. This next bit has nothing to do with the story, but it still annoys me since I found out. Dan Maples daughter Daisy Pearl abandoned her twin girls after a divorce with her husband. He was supposed to take their 3 boys and she was supposed to take their 2 girls, he kept his word and she said well fuck it.

[@WildWestExtravaganza]

Interesting. Thanks.

[@michealwolf4295]

Arch wolf was my great grandfather

[@JohnSmith-gb5vg]

I have 5 vol. of Times/Life “The Old West”, leather bound; The Rivermen, The Cowboys, The Gunfighters, The Loggers and The Forty-Niners.

[@WildWestExtravaganza]

Good stuff!

[@Gunny426HemiPlymouth]

Another awesome story, and some shocking news. Thanks for it all

[@WildWestExtravaganza]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@gregusmc2868]

You and I might have been buddies if you’d grown-up in central Ohio. I have the whole set of those Time-Life, “leatherette” bound, ‘Old West’ books-ordered directly from the television screen on an old rotary-dialed telephone that I had to walk over to the desk it sat on to use! (The hardships of growing up in the 60s and 70s) 😂 I’m dismayed to hear they aren’t 100% historically accurate! Having two English professors for parents, books were one of the only things I could USUALLY get them to bust out a credit card for! Another great video brother! Semper Fi (Keep your powder dry) 👍🏼❤️

[@almirria6753]

I have just found this "podcast" and share it on MeWe on several different pages, Tombstone old West history & several Native American pages. All enjoy it as it tries to paint the real history of the old west from a modern perspective.

[@onmilo]

Story I heard was Heck Thomas fired the shot that hit the bridge of Ned's nose and ricocheted into his right eye and blinded him from that socket. After that, Ned shot left handed. Also during the last fight Ned bolted from the burning cabin running right past a deputy who turned and fired a shot that hit Christie in the back of the head just behind the right ear that killed him instantly. Christie never fired a shot at anyone during that final dash.

[@MrJwrench]

Bro, you have to watch some episodes of Mr. Pickles. I feel like you could do a mean impression of the sheriff.

[@robertgraham1626]

I want to say thank you josh, I appreciate the truth and that's as well as all history but this was exceptionally done did a great service history is looking at the good and the bad it is what it is it was what it was it's the effect it had going forward is to be appreciated a lesson learned is wisdom earned

[@WildWestExtravaganza]

I appreciate that, thank you

[@inmt42003]

Enjoy your videos. Left comment to help with the algorithm.

[@WildWestExtravaganza]

Much appreciated

[@frankturman2493]

25:44-25:51 WADO! Thank You for this statement.

[@edwardgoering1237]

After Andrew Jackson ordered the Trail of Tears Indian removal Act I don't Blame any of them who choose the Gun ! I think adrenalin is addictive !

[@jasonvincent9470]

3000+ died my grandmother spoke Cherokee

[@kinart2543]

My 3x Grandma Laura Young came through the Trail of Tears via South Carolina. She married my Madagascan 3x Grandpa Chsrlie , settling in McKinney.

[@MK-tu1zh]

It is good to see journalistic integrity is a time-honored tradition.

[@tbone6203]

Lol my goodness this was great

[@marco529]

Way to murder Tahlequah LMFAO. Texicans man.

[@ericsimpson1176]

another excellent podcast....thanks

[@esgotcher7538]

Hey buddy, love the vids. Just a heads up tho. As a grandson of a Cherokee that was raised on the rez near Tahlequah Oklahoma, no biggie cause a lot of towns in Ok are weird, it’s pronounced Tal-e-kwah. Tal like the word tally, short E sound like the word end and quah like the word squaw.

[@coryhughes4397]

Love your podcasts Josh! Thank you so much! Really look forward to them. And keep cussing! Lol

[@WildWestExtravaganza]

Thank you, Cory!

[@tomdetroit01]

Great vid as always

[@WildWestExtravaganza]

You're great as always

[@MicahBell_1860]

Just a gut feeling, but an innocent man does not make himself scarce, a guilty man will. By what you have said, with no other proof, I'm leaning towards a hero

[@jackcahill2383]

Thank you

[@WildWestExtravaganza]

You're welcome

[@nickdarr7328]

I'm a sheriff and I require all posse members be at least 6'5". Unfortunately I'm only 6'2" and live in Chinatown so we don't have the best success rate. The people must really love me though. I keep getting reelected. There's even groups of strong, civic minded, nice young men escorting and helping citizens cast their votes. Such good boys

[@mikemarley2389]

Zeke and Ned by Larry McMurtry is a great read.Tells about Ned Christy.

[@allanjohnson6083]

Love your videos bro ! I think we have the same take on history for sure.

[@WildWestExtravaganza]

Thanks Allan

[@abrahamisaacmuciusiii9192]

You should do a video on Mary Fields aka Stagecoach Mary.

[@WildWestExtravaganza]

I def will in the future. Check out the Black Cowboys podcast episode on her, pretty interesting.

[@markdemucha8848]

Wade Christie was my 4th Great Grandfather. Ned is my 1st cousin, 4 times removed!

[@WildWestExtravaganza]

Very cool

[@enoswebster9013]

Great episode! Love the nod to George Carlin!!!!

[@WildWestExtravaganza]

Thanks!

[@n82lee27]

Killed it, glad you brought up John Paris, he's always been my pick for the murderer, making Ned innocent as hell. Just a guy that didn't give a damn about the white law.

[@thebatmandc777]

Thank you for distinguishing the differences between tribes! I’m part native (Taos Pueblo/Apache) and we all did not live like the cherokee! I always get suspicious when a white person says hey I’m Native too! And I say what tribe? 90% of the time they say cherokee🤣 lol

[@WildWestExtravaganza]

Haven't you heard? All white girls have at least one great grandmother who was a Cherokee "princess"!

[@thebatmandc777]

@@WildWestExtravaganza yes 😂 I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard that. Or they say they are cherokee and their family didn’t even come from the southeast haha

[@jayscroggins.thunderboy3064]

Oglala Lakota and proud of it ✌🏽

[@chiccngeorge3058]

I always get skeptical of red people with European features that claim to be native too 🤣

[@rray1953]

Well... I'm white as fuhh... But my great great grandma was Modoc... Now why would anybody lie about that? It was like pulling teeth out of my grandmother to learn about it...

[@WorldwideBushcraftSurvival]

Tahlequah is pronounced Tal-le-quaw.

[@joshuapace537]

4 generation ago my family hitched 3 Cherokee and 1 Powhatan both men or 1 man 3 women i came up in coumblan gap TN

[@beorbeorian150]

I feel history has shown his actions to be more justified than the white folks would feel back then.

[@S.L.O.P.]

I love this!❤

[@WildWestExtravaganza]

Many thanks

[@JoeyMFBones]

Bro ain't you the same guy from GTA5?

[@WildWestExtravaganza]

I wish

[@JoeyMFBones]

@@WildWestExtravaganza You remind me of that guy from Blaine County radio, a show called 'Beyond insemination.' You would have actually made a better that guy than that guy. Too bad, GTA actually often does hire lesser known artists and voice actors. That's been one of the best parts of GTA since part 1, the fictional world of the radio and the artistic reflection of the real world it has. Sorry to rant about a game to ya, but you would have fit so well on Blaine County Radio, that's all I'm saying brother and I definitely mean that in a good way.

[@WildWestExtravaganza]

I used to play back in the day but all I can remember now is Lazlo haha

[@JoeyMFBones]

I almost thought you actually were this guy when I first found your channel lol Love your channel btw, brings such personality to old west stories. Hope you're making good livelihood my guy..... kzbin.info/www/bejne/epycfYB9hqt2erMsi=CPCrHV-T1R4ExQhz

[@ButterFadeGolf]

I wish Michael Berry would have you on dude...that would be pure gold....prob in the a.m. show since its strictly the TX market verse pm...be super based

[@chrishunsaker1171]

The town is pronounced tal-ah-qual

[@WildWestExtravaganza]

Noted

[@obedyahujryahuah2454]

Chahta Sia Hoke!

[@J0einOK]

Talequa has a soft E

[@tooslow4065]

josh, you should do a video of that one old west gunfighter, think he's a colonel of something. sanders i think his name was

[@WildWestExtravaganza]

He sounds absolutely horrifying.

[@naflabdulazim8557]

TAL-ə-kwah

[@StevenMMan]

Mmmmm squirrel

[@feagal612]

Another corker, thank you.

[@naflabdulazim8557]

Tahlequah City in Oklahoma

[@WildWestExtravaganza]

Word up

[@tritchie6272]

I suspect with a lot of Historical figures the truth isn't somewhere in the middle. A's for Christie I suspect he was probably a decent sort most times,but mean and hot tempered when drunk. Seems like alot of people are like that and I don't think ethnic group has much to do with the reaction to alcohol. It also sounds to me like he may have had some resentment towards White's and refused to recognize or accept anything he perceived as White government. As for Ruby Ridge, I listened to an interview with Weavers daughter and she had some interesting things to say.

[@bransonbranson3725]

I have two requests: Jerry Ambler and Bob Fudge pls.

[@captainspartanipps2427]

Someone just discovered ian Tyson

[@bransonbranson3725]

Is it you?

[@dalemitchell2006]

I don't know how historically accurate it is but, the book "Zeke and Ned" by Larry Mcmurtry is very good. There was a co=author and I'm disremember the name.

[@wilmoney4619]

Level action rifle? I think mean lever...

[@WildWestExtravaganza]

Yes sir. Sometimes I get excited and my words don't come out right.

[@dannysimmons3167]

Glass is made super heated sand about 1700 degrees celcius

[@WildWestExtravaganza]

Bill Nye the science guy over here...haha, just kidding. Thanks, Danny.

[@dannysimmons3167]

@@WildWestExtravaganza that’s ok. I knew it was liquid sand, had to look up the temperature though. That’s why when you have a nuclear detonation in the desert they call it a glass parking lot. You wouldn’t want to spend too much time near it though

[@beverleecarrell510]

Enjoyed your presentation...I will tell you that the corruption in the higher political positions are similar to what we have in this side of the reservation.. The reservation is also a big example of Socialist programs.. Waste and more waste..So consider that at some point things are going to have to change...

[@sc666666]

At ruby ridge he was framed and son wife and dog killed

[@attilathehun0]

Chris Christie🤣🤣🤣

[@ROCK-vl5yw]

Ruby ridge the man did go to court after the law blew his wife y kid away check it out

[@blackheartkoda2269]

lmao the russians may actually attack.

[@marcussanchez4278]

He was obviously a leader among him people . All the more the reason to smear and tarnish his name. All for a few dollars . I wonder if they look up from hell and think it’s worth it!

[@herdfan697278]

If you cussed less, your comments would be more appropriate!

[@WildWestExtravaganza]

If you complained less, your feedback would be more valuable

[@Nostrildomus]

C00L

[@Nostrildomus]

I like history . Considering the powers want it eased from books and stupid newspaper accounts of the day , I enjoy your cockeyed account . Keep um cuming . . . Thanks

[@bigrob1344]

He wasn’t an innocent victim. Let’s not dishonor his memory by making him a victim. Ned was a violent outlaw. He lived his life and died on his own terms. Randy Weaver wasn’t an outlaw.

[@WildWestExtravaganza]

lol

[@AngusBulls65]

Uuu

[@RollTide-ix2rb]

I waa really interested in this person having shared the same bloodline and being frome this area but your narration is so horribly annoying had to turn off not even 10mins in either had a joke cast or be historically serious because trying to do both DOES NOT WORK FOR YOU!!!

[@WildWestExtravaganza]

I dunno, it seems to be working out pretty good so far.

[@aaronwilliams7505]

Sir you should not follow the example of Joe Biden

[@sodalover_69]

hey! could you make a podcast about felipe espinosa someday? there might not be much info about him but he's pretty insane

[@WildWestExtravaganza]

He's on the list!!!

[@sodalover_69]

@@WildWestExtravaganza i'm really thankful this channel exists 😢

[@BeatThatAzz]

Your funny