Neighbors remove our fence and put up signs

[@lukewarmwater6412]

seems like calling a surveyor would solve things pretty quick.

[@dawnjbaker6747]

My property has been surveyed 5 times. First 4 times, different years, property lines came up exactly 4ft from fence. Years ago needed to maintain your fence without going on neighbors land. This year, surveyed again, and lines on same side are now 13/14 feet inside my fence. That neighbor better not take fence down, or there will be dogs and horses loose. So far they haven't tried removing fence. I've told them that fence has been there, along the the huge trees, since property was divided 52 years ago. I've also talked to lawyer. Good luck! I want to follow this to the end!

[@ARSONXBELLA]

I don't think this goof wants a surveyor.

[@andrewsparks4112]

@@ARSONXBELLA yes I think you are right. Have to look for the next video.

[@kathybrenneman1868]

This guy is a real jerk. He keeps saying he consults a lawyer yet the lawyer has sent nothing. He just keeps saying the lawyer says. Why are the parents not dealing with this? We are talking about a few inches of land in the middle of nowhere. Tape your meeting with the lawyer because at this point no one believes you. Nothing you're saying makes any sense. Back out and let your parents handle it. They aren't saying anything, it's all you. Your parents haven't said one thing. So I think it is a younger person, you, trying to take advantage. Get it surveyed and shut up. You're creating a problem because there wasn't one before you became involved.

[@JamesWilson-mz5xk]

@@kathybrenneman1868 I know nightmare neighbors exist and alot seem to be that way for no reason but thru personal experience and some self reflection it seems maybe I could have been less of a nightmare neighbor to them in alot of situations. The way he lays out the story as tho he has done nothing but be prim and proper and can't believe how the other party is responding to his graciousness offer screams BS. He even highlighted some of his superior moral standing like how he had to wear his mask all day and how cheasy the correctional officer handling of this is compared to his military background. He's just trying to watch out for his poor old helpless grandparents right lol. For all we know yesterday he might have saved a bunch of orphans from a fire. Just my personal assumption.

[@glennsmith6108]

A fence does not establish a property line. Get a surveyor.

[@_Common_Logic_]

Not in this case... While no one can simply stake a claim to your land by driving a fence post into it, over time a fence post, a shed, etc., can be the reason someone else gets to claim part of your land despite what the survey says. This occurs through a real estate concept called adverse possession. It'll probably piss you off if you look into it, but it's a real thing. This guy's parents had that fence over (what I understand to be) a little bit of the neighbor's land for years and they all ignored or "agreed" on the fence placement. Presumably, younger people bought the adjoining property and despite what the survey says, they are probably S.O.L. when it comes to that fence-line. If it were as simple as a survey, this guy wouldn't have even tried to "compromise" as he knows the original survey shows the tree-house to be on the neighbors land.

[@judiththoren6176]

A fence can establish property lines if left in place. In my state its 16 years.

[@jpmacoo]

Sometimes it can, other times it's just a fence. And it varies by state. In some states, a fence will only become the boundary line if the actual boundary line can't be determined. It sounds more like this guy wants to keep the fence line since the deeded boundary line gives him less land. So, isn't he the one who's trying to take land, not his neighbor? As far as removing the fence, I'd think it would depend on who actually owns the fence. And if it's on his neighbor's land, maybe it belongs to them, so I think that they have every right to remove it if they want.

[@mountainguyed67]

There should be no compromise. Put the boundary where it’s supposed to be, and move on. Then you don’t have to worry about it.

[@rivermcratt3683]

I don't know what is going on in this video cuz he keeps just saying boundary by acquiescence and doesn't explain what the fuck that means. The gist of what I got is his parents his parents and grandparents believed a certain part of the neighbor's property belong to them and the neighbor believes that part of the video posters property belongs to them. It sounds like the neighbor is trying to keep what they thought was theirs while at the same time saying screw your grandparents we're not going to give up our property but we're still going to take yours. Other than that I have no clue what the f is going on in this video

[@dreaminlayers]

@@rivermcratt3683 A Boundary by Aquiescence is when a fence or wall has been up and maintained and accepted by both sides for a long period of time. The neighbors didn't say anything for the last 30+ years while this guy's parents maintained that property and fence line, which means they gave it up.

[@goldenshine9434]

Claiming someone else’s property by acquiescence is pretty chicken sh*t. Just because you used someone else’s property doesn’t mean you are morally entitled to it.

[@imherehello117]

Baloney. If the fence has been in the same place for 50 years without dispute it becomes the boundary line by default.

[@danbailey96]

@@imherehello117 nope if you’re thinking about squatters rights you’re wrong. Go to sell a piece of property and the lines are what what is in the deed not where someone wanted to build a fence.

[@marioruiz7624]

Kits not correct to steal anything

[@jackh1032]

@@danbailey96 I agree with Dan. As a real estate agent I can affirm that this is not a cut and dried situation. Sometimes it's referred to as adverse possession. "My fence on your property makes it my property" isn't gonna cut it unless you have a worthless attorney. Money will change minds and hands when it's all said and done, that's what usually happens.

[@angelaj8958]

@@imherehello117 it depends on the property law in your state

[@Grizz270]

We had a farm that had an irrigation canal run through. We owned a strip of land approximately 20 ft wide on the other side of the irrigation canal. My parents being nice allowed the neighbors to put a fence after irrigation canal so they could use the water. This was out of the kindness of their heart. Long story short they tried to build a house on our property that we loaned them. The moral of this story is never ever give up any part of your land even to be nice to a neighbor because this is what happens people get greedy and they feel like they're entitled to that land for eternity

[@papabensvlogs2072]

That sucks, that why we are fighting for everything to be in. Contact that will hopefully be able to be signed soon...

[@avagrego3195]

A friend had put a shed 3” onto his neighbors land and had to move it.

[@angelaj8958]

every state has their own rules about the 'possession by acquiescence' and necessary elapsed time and notices; lawyers should be consulted. I am sure most people are unaware this even exists.

[@teresaames972]

2:30. This guy said he had boundaries by acquiescence. Which means he built the tree house on his neighbors property and now he is trying to keep land that does not belong to him. I'm sorry guy. It's not your land. Just because you built something on someone else's property doesn't mean you get to keep it. Put a fence on the property line and move on. Your wasting your time and money.

[@utubewillyman]

I despise people who attempt to steal another's property by pointing to their own past incompetence in obeying boundaries.

[@lynetter604]

Especially if it's parents. That's aweful!!

[@ThomasWLalor]

A "Corrections Officer" displaying a weapon (of ANY kind == perceived / implied threat) is likely to forfeit his employment. Get it surveyed and build a fence!

[@johnchalleen3278]

Take it away from him and bury it up his...

[@nickmalone3143]

Buy a gun

[@Skorion69]

I’d say get a surveyor out from the municipality and find out where the property line is, then sue him for the inconvenience as well as him having to pay for the costs of repairing or replacing the fence. If you have to get a lien put on his home/property also have any fees or expenses (lawyer, lost wages etc) added to the lawsuit.

[@chrisdiane8429]

I agree get a surveyor out there and have him Mark what is yours and then sue them for what they've done

[@WillBravoNotEvil]

@@peterservon5539 Depends on the locale. The survey would indicate where a property line is. A survey doesn't determine ownership. There are many ways that I can establish a right to use or even possess YOUR land. What's not clear here is the extent of any alleged infringement. Did the naughty neighbor trespass in order to remove the fence? Is the dispute over one foot or 10, 15 or 20 feet? I think a court would ultimately have to decide. My opinion: he (the poster) at least has an easement for a use that's stood, undisputed, over time, namely an easement for a fence. The naughty neighbor AT LEAST owes him a payment for the wrecked fence. $3000 plus $400 for court fees. See Rusty the Baliff on your way out.

[@kathybrenneman1868]

@@WillBravoNotEvil A survey does determine ownership. Temporary use is one thing but to stake claim by a fence is another. Most fence companies will not install a fence without the land being surveyed and staked to establish boundries because they dont want to be involved in law suits. However, it looks like the family installed this fence so it could be a false stake on behalf of the family who installed it.

[@kathybrenneman1868]

@@peterservon5539 A survey would clearly mark the boundary lines and establish ownership by whoever the land is titled to. A court of law does not recognize aquinessence and will not award the land based upon them staking claim to it by installing a fence.

[@frederickweemsjr9511]

@@Rotor-Sims ,I wonder if that’s on KZbin 😂

[@lisam145]

He doesn't want text, because he doesn't want a record of your timeline and content. Always record you dealings with him. Threats could cost him his job. I have neighbor fence issues myself. Been a 25 year conflict. I hope it all goes well for you and your family.

[@shawnsutube]

If it wasn’t yours to begin with then how could you loose it. It’s his ground so how would you have the right to force a compromise?

[@livinglife8333]

A surveyor with the police and a lawyer, then take them to court.

[@brat46]

The bank took part of our land when neighbors purchase the house next door. We ending up with lawyers and survey crews showing we were correct.

[@jengsci8268]

brat46 - Just curious, what bank?

[@brat46]

@@jengsci8268 It was Co-america iirc.

[@2olvets443]

You stated at the beginning it was their property. The man said he would discuss with you father, so my guess they had an agreement that did not relinquish owner ship. If he does own it he’s been paying taxes on it. Now you just want to make a claim to what does not belong to you? Do it the right way...hire a licensed survivor and get the property line clarified!

[@Nimbus495]

No such thing as “ boundary by acquiescence.” You either have acquired the property by adverse possession, or you haven’t.

[@kurtklardie1]

There are boundary of acquiescence laws in every state. They vary from state to state and usually require a timeline to where a property owner can apply for the deed to that property through acquiesence.

[@drewcifer8489]

@kurtklardie1 Application timeline is important

[@ingabusch2487]

This "boundary by Acquiescence" really means that your relatives had the fence line on the former neighbor's property. I can't sympathize with or condone that.

[@willamclark8992]

Sometimes, "boundary by acquiescence" means the deed wasn't recorded to accurately describe the correct boundaries of a property. Most states had fairly accurate surveyors a couple of hundred years ago. But most people had to make do with materials on hand to lay out their property lines. And if the neighbors ageed and didn't dispute the placement of the fence or markers, that's where boundary by acquiescence came from. If there's no fence and one is built to delineate the boundary without disagreement, that is boundary by acquiescence and binding after the state's statutes time limits despite the description of the deed. Some states actually call that boundary by agreement if both parties took part in the placement of the property markers. There is no time limit required in that case and the property lines then are legally set to the existing markers despite the deed.

[@lolly1405]

This guys trying to steal some of their land, is what it sounds like to me. I have fences all over my land and none of them are on the property line. The fact that they just don’t wanna go by the recorded surveys or get a new survey, says that he probably understands that it’s not their property but wants wants to claim it.

[@terrywereb7639]

We have a jerk in Ashtabula County, Ohio who basically tried to steal about 5 acres from his Amish neighbor...he pulled the survey pins and pounded them into the ground several feet over. His plan backfired when the Amish fella put the property up for sale and had to get a current survey done...

[@babyjuggernaught8203]

A metal detector will locate if pounded in. 😁😉

[@silverforest4682]

That's why you get a new survey.

[@silverforest4682]

@@babyjuggernaught8203 yes, but, if the neighbor moved them... they could be wrong

[@edswope28]

Boundary by acquiescense? WTF is that? Just because there is a long standing property dispute doesnt give you any right to their land. Property lines are property lines. Find out where they are supposed be and live with the results. You seem wrong in this case.

[@sgtjoe210]

Not true! If a person has open and obvious control over an area for a period of time, usually a number of years set out by the state, the person has what’s called “adverse possession” in most states! It just has to be open and obvious!!!! Sounds like that tree house has been there for years and years!

[@rogerramjet6429]

We maybe educate yourself on matters regarding property lines and not expose yourself as being so ignorant to the facts. Your "feels" on the situation, do not equate to reality, just because you think it to be the case.

[@invictusbp1prop143]

@@sgtjoe210 The Gadsden avatar you use seems to be a bit inconsistent with your apparent approval of using legal wranglings like boundary acquiescence and adverse possession to steal land from another man. Jus sayin. I think the commentor was obviously making an argument based on feelings and morality, but I suppose there’s no place in today’s society for old school ways like doing business on a handshake…or a handshake or a man’s word meaning anything. No place for morality anymore and the idea of a man acting with honor and integrity…doing what’s right just because it’s right is becoming a concept only entertained by the naive or crazy these days. Adverse possession and boundary acquiescence are concepts that originally were drafted into law for situations where there was a mistaken or disputed property line and the encroaching party wasn’t doing so out of malice and had put in substantial time, effort, and money into improving, maintaining, satisfying tax obligations, etc on property that turned out to not be his only for the rewards to be reaped by the other side. This is obviously not the case in this matter…it’s pretty obvious there’s been nothing invested in maintaining or improving that property in dispute. If anything, the trash and junk that’s been left on it for years has diminished the value of the rest of the neighbors property. Anyone who would misuse the law in this case to take a portion of his neighbors property is known by a few different terms where I come from….but I’ll refrain from using them right now on this guys own video.

[@timeout6068]

@@sgtjoe210 If the taxes have been paid then generally there is no right to adverse possession.

[@burton3728]

Survey the land and get with your title company. You should have title insurance. They will handle the discrepancy.

[@brucekeegan5433]

I the State of Florida boundary by acquiescence is viewed as a violation of property rights.

[@dougo6571]

The next thing would be to move your fence over two inches off the line and make sure none of it touches their property again.

[@edwardbella3871]

survey pins should be placed by a surveyor. Get rid of your lawyer.

[@garywilkerson6228]

You said it! The survey is the only thing that matters.

[@WillBravoNotEvil]

A survey alone isn't absolutely dispositive. The pins are likely already there. Assuming you're an adult, you're a jerk. Sit down and shut up.

[@wdmoya1953]

@@garywilkerson6228 I wouldn't get rid of the lawyer but getting it survey would have been the first thing I did. did he put up the outcome

[@kathybrenneman1868]

@@WillBravoNotEvil Yes a survey is. You don't know what you're talking about. You need to back up and learn about the law. You're being a pompous ass. You need to sit down and shut up.

[@vickimeyers2672]

When you're an ,"absentee owner", people will do what they want. I own land in Oklahoma that is posted with No Tresspassing signs, yet when I check it on Google earth, I can see where four wheelers have been tearing it up. I am personally traveling from Alaska this summer to check my property. I intend to post more signs, and will also contact both the Game Warden and Sheriff in that county to come to my property and see the damage that's been done by trespassers. While there, I will have it fenced, and also pay a personal visit to the "neighbors", and request they and/or their children stay of my property. Hopefully a civil conversation will suffice.

[@marcmccord5085]

Where in OK is it? If it is close to OKC I will check on it for you. I had a similar issue on land we leased near Covington. Nailed them on a game camera. You might want to consider one.

[@PuertoRicoSeGoza]

Big complete tree stumps in the entrances keeps them out

[@brendakrause5639]

Also in writing via certified letter for documentation.

[@christiribbons6394]

Trip wires would be good too bout neck high

[@genehasenbuhler2594]

Now you need to file a property damage report for vandalism then make repairs and put a lien on their property!

[@natedogg5049]

But all they were doing was removing stuff off their property

[@genehasenbuhler2594]

@@natedogg5049 that makes no difference!

[@natedogg5049]

@@genehasenbuhler2594 does if it was not their property

[@genehasenbuhler2594]

@@natedogg5049 did you even watch the vid?

[@natedogg5049]

@@genehasenbuhler2594 all the way through and unless I have missed something it sounds like the fence was on somebody else's property and they were trying to trade off some property in the front or something like that. The neighbor is not obligated trade, swap, or anything else that is proposed if they do not want to. Maybe I have missed something....

[@user-ny2iu2ks8f]

I’d like to know how this turns out

[@b.walker5955]

Realize I am late to the party, but anytime YOUR LAWYER TELLS YOU to contact someone, YOU DON'T HAVE A LAWYER. All you have is a consultation/conversation from a lawyer.

[@johnttravers4247]

I don’t think bearded Chris Farley has the moral high ground here. Property survey is the way to go

[@kingofthedots3835]

My neighbor claimed my privacy fence was on his property ...he died ,and we bought his place in a sheriff's sake .....

[@grogvaughan5649]

we had a grumpy old man nextdoor when i was growing up here in akron ohio that would put concrete blocks on his driveway apron (owned by the city but maintained by the resident). my mom's breaking point was after my brothers an i added an extension to the front downspout that went about 3' straight into our yard toward the street to direct the rain water away from the foundation that he started screaming at us after a very bad thunder storm that "our water" was running into his gravel driveway, yard and basement. the guy was nuts. he even stopped his city trash curb service and paid for a private company to pick up his garbage at a higher cost in the 1970s so the "crocked goverment" didn't get anymore of his money. as kids we played football in the street untill the street lights came on, more than once he came out on his porch with a shotgun if the ball ended up in his yard. so on trash nights we would gather 5-6-7 streets worth of trash bags and pile them on his curb about 15 feet high just so he had to pay extra to get rid of them because his trash pick up was a different day than the entire neighborhood. fun times.

[@waynepollard6879]

Turn the camera around and show what your talking about ! From what I can see it appears your walking through a junkyard. ! How can you even tell where the property line was ?

[@jefferyohanley9797]

Clean up all the junk maybe that's what he's sick of looking at

[@terryfonz4603]

So as it turns out people don’t agree to give you their land because an old fence was there. Why not just get the actual land survey so that there is no question and nobody can have an argument! Acquiesced land is not always agreeable because an old fence can be wrong!!! So get a survey!

[@michaelfrasard65]

5gallon gas can on their front porch with a blasting cap and 2hundred feet of electrical cord and a car battery and that takes care of any problems

[@angelagillett1033]

And the survey says

[@Barbara-bk5sv]

If you have a current property line report to send with them, they can make that the reason for a friendly biker visit.

[@cynthiaberrane8888]

You hit the head of the nail about the younger ones trying to take my land. I had Surveys done on my property He knew he was on my property. The kisser about this as he just sit back and make sure I had to do whatever I need done and pay for it before he took it down he knew he laughed and said looks like I’m on your property what’s gonna do about it. he harassed me for almost 3 years I didn’t leave my house without my gun a Tayser and mace. The police told me it was all civil and they couldn’t do anything to him other than file a lawsuit. He made threats . But it was insinuations he never out come out and said I’m gonna burn your house down. But what he said was he seen houses burned down back here. good luck on your problems with this neighbor it is so sad. People have lost their lives over shit like this. I almost had a breakdown nervous break down. they called me the crazy lady on the hill because I stood up to him. there was another neighbor up here he started to harass and he ended up hitting the father and they pressed charges which helped me. after many times of me calling the police for help I was done. when the police came out for him hitting a another neighber. I told them not to worry about me calling them anymore I went and got my concealed weapons permit and I was ready to protect myself. I told the cops remember you and the asshole said I was crazy. So I was prepared to shoot him if I had to and worry about it in court. I could always use the fact I was crazy and that would be my defense. I still see the asshole but I make it a point never to look his way I decided I was not going to play his games anymore and just ignore him and that worked but I did get them off my property and sold it to somebody that he didn’t. as a matter of fact I sold it to the father that he hit did my heart good. Take care I will look for updates God bless peace

[@Hello-rn4sc]

Stand your ground, I had my neighbor try to encroach onto my property, but I stopped him in his tracts.

[@kandicemarye8822]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@guiniverebehounek6174]

This just makes me think of ‘fear thy neighbor’ on ID Network. Be careful dude. People are crazy!

[@jackraintree4351]

So when a lawyer says something everyone has to listen to the lawyer? Wow I didn't realize we have abandoned the court system 😳

[@davebrunson125]

I don't think he has a lawyer. He googled something and claims it came from a lawyer

[@jerrypearce5920]

Hard front ahead of you ! 😎

[@9995-q1u]

We moved to an agricultural residential area in summer 2020. Five acres, new house, in an existing but small development, property corners were marked with stakes. No HOA. No fence. Someone pulled up our corner stakes after we moved in. The house to our east has been here from the beginning (about 10 years). Our property includes a wooded creek bed that is about one acre total area and was never bush hogged and we left it as is for privacy. It is wooded and thick with vegetation (like it always was). The property line runs generally parallel to the neighbor's side of the tree line. Eight months after we closed on the house a new family bought the neighbor's house and there were no issues at first. About six months after they move din they had two contractors walking on their side of the tree line, walking the general line of the property line. They were looking in at our wooded creek bed. Then they walked to the front of our house in the street and looked down the interior line of our trees. I thought they were just getting a fence and making sure they did not violate the property line. A few more months go by and now the neighbors are going into our wooded creek bed with their kids and playing. The married couple also keeps walking by the front of our five acre property from the street and keep looking at our property with their smartphone like they are trying to geolocate known points. The property corners were marked when we bought and when the neighbors bought but they seem to be oblivious to where the property line is or intent on acquiring the creek bed. Google maps and the county map website confirm my view of the property line. We were not going to put up a 500 foot fence line on that side because it might causes us to have to remove some of our precious trees and lose privacy. Considering getting the surveyor out to mark the line but they charge quite a bit and it will only result in about three stakes over 500 feet - and the stakes will likely be pulled up. I am wondering if the neighbors can take this wooded creek bed from us by acquiescence by just visiting it or saying it's their or because we don't do any work in there?

[@lucyflorey9152]

I had the almost the same problem. My neighbor claimed my treeline between our property and planned to have it logged. We had a boundry by acquiescence but he wasn't honoring it. However the laws about illegal logging are pretty strict. So I had it surveyed which showed I owned more than I thought and he was farming on a few feet of my property. He finally backed off. Later he put up his deer stand facing ours, a not so vague threat. Later still he passed away. We were nearly the same age. He died young. Surveying is much cheaper than a lawyer. BTW satellite surveys are used now and are extremely accurate.

[@papabensvlogs2072]

I was able to get him to come to the table, because I found out his dad still owns the land and his dad likes me...

[@lucyflorey9152]

@@papabensvlogs2072 that's a positive thing!

[@juneramirez8580]

Unfortunately the problem is both sides think they're right and fighting to keep their land. I think what everyone is saying get a survey is your best bet. Wish you the best of luck!

[@papabensvlogs2072]

Further update coming soon...

[@aday1637]

Acquiescence means both parties agree or that you have had use of the land a specified amount of time (usually very long one) and you can prove it. Otherwise such a fight over a strip of land is hardly the best way to go about stealing land.

[@David53D]

I wouldn't even talk with these guys nor employ a lawyer , I'd get a survey and fence in my property and be done with it. If something is on their property let it go there is no boundary by acquiescence. Stop provoking this guy and let your neighbor in peace. There should be metal posts in the ground which indicates the property boundries.

[@janiceedge7544]

Bless you for how you are being a great Son

[@bradleypeel6057]

It depends on state law, some states go by how long a fence has been in place. Some states go strictly by surveyors reports.

[@LT-mb7gb]

I guess the moral is don't build your fence on some one else's property. You don't have the authority to tell them anything.

[@papabensvlogs2072]

Yeah, we bought the land with the fence where it is, they survey lines back then we're also on the other side of the ditch then it's now 20 years later...

[@bendubbeld9254]

Obviously there was a survey done. You don't like the results. Whoever originally put up your junkyard "fence", evidently placed it on someone else's property, and now you are trying to claim it as yours.

[@rebeccagreen2310]

@@bendubbeld9254, They can claim the property as theirs. If his family has been taking care of said property for over a certain number of years they can then claim it. It varies by state. Here in Michigan it's ten years.

[@rebeccagreen2310]

@@papabensvlogs2072 , Check your state on land laws. If you take care of said property for so many years it is rightfully yours. Here in Michigan it's 10 years. So no matter what after 20 years of your family taking care of the property that land is now yours. The previous owners of the land would now be the ones the new owners will have to go after for monies back for said acreage or footage of land.

[@timwiant1406]

If they bought the property they should have had a survey done. They are not going to give up what is there’s just because your family encroached on there property years ago

[@timothyharmon9259]

Please give us an update! Thanks

[@papabensvlogs2072]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/aoO8qYx-ob9siNU is the last video in the series

[@cynthiaayers7696]

In some counties they have a "Grandfather Clause", and if you don't start complaining about the property lines from the get-go, then it will maybe, from that point on, after a while, be the new line of that property. But if the property line is like way whacked out of kilter, then I can see the point in a total re-surveying.

[@nancyharmon7999]

Get a survey done and take them to court. I have the same problem with my neighbor and she always rents that house to people that do drugs. I had a wind storm and the wood fence blew over the 6 feet high fence and the posts broke. The fence was 1” on my property and the renters yelled at me that the woman that owns the rental house is going to sue me and I said every renter has destroyed my fence and I am not going to replace it. So the tension is high. I had to show them that I paid for the fence and if they wanted a 6’ high fence the woman that owns it is going to have to pay for it and put the fence on her property. I hired an attorney and I had it surveyed. The lady that owns the rental house is not going to put up a fence as she never fixes anything. So the posts are still up and the renters purchased bamboo fence and I said you make sure that you stay off my property and keep your kids off my property and I have had to put up huge No Trespassing sign and Beware of dog and I put up huge video cameras to see if they trespass. Camera video is important because then you have evidence. So far I have put wire fence on my side and renters put up bamboo fence and I carry my phone camera every time I go outside and I told the 2 men that if they come on my property or touch my wire fence that is trespassing and I have made it clear that I will defend my property I have a 357 with laser and I told them I am active military and I will shoot to kill. I also called the police so that they are aware of the situation and I have the right to “the make my day law” and I am a well trained sniper. I am 62 years old woman and still active military and I get up on my roof to clean my gutters and I watch them cower down and they stay in the house. This has been an ongoing issue for 17 years. Get a survey Get a 357 with laser Get video camera The camera makes them stay in the house. So far the owner every year has different renters makes them sign a 1 year lease and it is the same thing over and over again. Having the video and written survey and a lawyer is important. They are 2 men and I can yell at them you are on camera they don’t cuss me out anymore and I say stupid fucking idiots if you were a man you would have helped me put up the fence like a good person. They are so intimidated by my open carry gun and I will use it. The police have been notified that I shoot to kill. As the saying goes “Shoot to kill, dead men can’t talk” I am military and I had to over come them yelling f words and I tell them you are not even a man if you can’t even hold a piece of wood while I screw the fence post in. I live by stupid ass fucked up yuppies. That think they can scare a woman. I call them idiots and they are not men they are nothing. Good luck with your fence.

[@frederickweemsjr9511]

Calmn down Karen, you going to have a stroke Try to enjoy your last few years and stop worrying about your next door neighbors I hope you are doing well

[@nancyharmon7999]

Hello There is now a fence and it was surveyed and now I have back a foot of land all the stretch of the east side of the property and she had to pay for it.

[@garywilkerson6228]

Your grandparents built a tree house on someone's house - period. That man does not have to compromise for your parents convience. Boundary by aquessence is subordinate to a land survey. Boundary by aquessence is only enforced by a sitting JUDGE, not your lawyer. You want the dispute to be resolved by boundary by aquessence, then your parents must partition the court. In the meantime, if the survey shows it's his property, then until a judge determined other wise, it's his land.

[@felsenrogers4083]

Dang, that sucks... glad to see that you are standing up for your loved ones. I hope it all worked out in the end for you.

[@papabensvlogs2072]

We came up with a great compromise with the actual owners of the property... And now both owners are happy

[@craigclancy4093]

Should have a property inspector come out and see where the property line is that way it is documented, our neighbors talked with us before they put up there fence an we had no issues we were just being helpful for both sides it’s common sense but then again some neighbors can just b asshats

[@papabensvlogs2072]

That is true... We did come to a compromise though... His parents own the land and I talked to them about what we wanted...

[@tyronepelfrey8192]

My parents put up a fence that was 6 inches on our side of property then she put one 2 inches close to our fence. We waited till the concrete hardened took her to court and she had to tear down her fence and then she realized she didn’t have enough money to put it back up. She was so pissed. Moral of the story don’t try to keep up with the joneses. Lol

[@pennypincher5516]

I agree with Luke. Get a survey done and film it because it’s against the law to move any boundary markers.

[@emfields5082]

You should have contacted the prison he works at and reported him to a superior pulling a gun on you brandising a firearm is a felony

[@_Common_Logic_]

Carrying a firearm on your own property is NOT a felony. This guy never even claimed the gun was pulled, drawn on, or aimed at him. He literally said that the neighbor kept the gun between them, and again, protecting yourself isn't a felony. KZbin Karens who see crimes that don't exist and immediately call for police or someone's employers to get them fired are the SAME generation and type of people who can't work out this simple property dispute.

[@LLLRANCH]

I am going through the same issue. We went as far as getting the survey and the neighbor pulled up the wooden stakes!! No help from City nor police

[@doramather4729]

We had the same thing happen to us, we had a fence issue, we had a survey done to prove that the fence line was correct. It took two years to get it settled because they wanted to remove the front fence which he paid for half of the materials 15 years ago. We went to court and had a court mediator who said the front fence stays no removal of it and the back chain link fence which we put up after we informed them that their fence they put up was on our property stays because our survey was registered with the county and it was correct. We did pay $1,000.00 for the middle fence they had put up by her boyfriend and we remove and put up the chain link fence. We had a meeting on the property with them and their lawyer and us and our lawyer where we agreed that the middle fence was straighten and remain in the original spot and they could attach their wooden fence to our chain link fence. We could paint our side of the fence and that the matter was settled, our neighbor got 3 different lawyers and we only use one lawyer. It cost us at 12 thousand dollars in legal fees for the battle with the property issue. Every letter cost us money, they sued us and took us to court and the property issued was finally settled once and for all. The one thing we did that made a difference and settle the issue was the property survey and made sure it was registered with county, so if he got another survey went back to our survey the law of the land. The couple next door are young and in their late 20s and we are retired older people that bought our property in 1984. My husband kept his cool and did not speak to the them, because they were unreasonable and boyfriend was a hot head and kept saying I going to take the chain link Down . Take pictures of all the damage and removal of your frence. Look at your title description of the property and remember that fence issues are considered a pain and suffering and not paid $$$$$$. Good luck it was a stressful situation. If you need a survey have them pay for it for us we paid for it because we took down their wood fence that was on our property and we want to prove our property line. We were right and In the end we settle so did not have to go to court, we settle and was recorded with the mediator . ng

[@papabensvlogs2072]

Thanks, we ended up coming up with a compromise... All we care about is the tree house...

[@sandragerken3170]

Get a surveyor, register the survey with the County. 1 and done. Thank you for your service, sir. Side note, every phone call to the attorney =$$$$$$$$. GET THE SURVEY.

[@dougo6571]

Don’t forget to have it written up in the deed that the fence is 2” off the line so their is no confusion that he can never touch it again. Hope this helps.

[@papabensvlogs2072]

Thanks, I love constructive comments

[@marianlincoln9008]

ACTUALLY when we put our fences up we put them 18" inside OUR PROPERTY LINE. The last land owner neighbor we had was GOING to REMOVE my Honeysuckle vines that I had planted on OUR fence. I told him NO don't touch THAT it's on OUR PROPERTY and he DECIDED to aquiese as it was BETTER than Kissing ME OFF AFTER he had been burning DEPT of the Interiors. And EPA listed No Nos GARBAGE less than 50 Ft. from my house and the fumes were CONSIDERED POSSIBLE carcenagenes and DEFFINATELY classed as toxic air pollutants.... I Don't PLAY THOSE Games...!!!

[@jeffhildreth9244]

Another illiterate ignorant genius speaks up. .

[@chainsawcabinetshop492]

I'm so glad that I found your post. After reading all the comments from Judge Judy wannabees, I've saved a lot of money by not going to a real licensed lawyer that specializes in property disputes.

[@djterry1218]

We purchased a house and the neighbor came over and told us that the previous owner of our property had stolen 7 feet from him. He kept talking about it so I asked him do you wanted the 7 feet back? He said no he went to court he won it in court.? I then said well shut up about it! The 7 feet was maintained and the grass cut by the previous owner and that’s why he was awarded the property.

[@TwistedVNM94]

Never Never compromise when it comes to land. Fight for every inch because they don't pay the taxes and if someone gets hurt on your land it's on you

[@adamduffy311]

Just put up a wall that is made of concrete and make it 20 foot high and use broken glass on top reinforce it with Metal rods

[@dancingcloudlew4311]

I had to hire a surveyor, the dispute was settled. Older property owners didn't place fences exactly on the line to avoid such issues. I did just that, but the neighbor insisted I had some of his land.

[@circuitkhid]

Have you gone to your County Recorder or County Assessor's office? There is also many counties that let you access property boundary lines online. there are a couple of ideas where you don't pay lawyer fees..lol

[@Blackwater_House]

To establish boundary by acquiescence, four elements must be met: 1) a person must occupy the land of a neighboring property owner 2) up to a visible line marked by fences, buildings, or other “monuments” (i.e. a boundary line) 3) in such a manner that evidences that the two property owners acquiesced to that new boundary line 4) for a period of twenty years. Stated perhaps more simply, a person must physically establish a new property line for a period of 20 years without any protest from his neighbor.

[@SecretWeaponShow]

Last I heard was 7 yrs not 20

[@Blackwater_House]

@@SecretWeaponShow You may well be correct

[@briangriffel6717]

Fence directly on property line? It then belongs to both parties. My fence is 2inches on my property,

[@stacy3633]

I truly and 100% dislike my neighbors for something along this same line...F neighbors

[@danielalamo2075]

We bought property and were the fences were not on the boundaries. We went to the county. The county said they cannot just take your land despite where the fences are. And we needed a survey. The county surveyor gave us company names that could do the survey. Our property was surveyed properly. We gained back our land that we paid for. The neighbors were pissed. County surveyor and tax assessor said just because fences are off dosen't mean they own the land. Deeded property is surveyed and marked for a reason.

[@papabensvlogs2072]

Tis true... And it was quite a dees Rabbit hole to figure out how the land was supposed to go... But In the end both of the land owners are happy...

[@nellynuz42069]

Boundary disputes are a nightmare. You can try to be a good neighbor, but you are damned if you do and damned if you don't. You might have to get a surveyor, which costs even more money.

[@chadcatbird836]

It looks like the ditch is the property line to me

[@letspretendurright2245]

WELL, I WAS 26 WHEN WE BOUGHT OUR RANCH STYLE HOME IN UP STATE NY, MY NEIGHBORS WERE WELL INTO THEIR 60'S WE HAD A BARN IN OUR BACK YARD. WHEN WE CAME HOME FROM A FRIENDS OUR BARN WAS GONE. . WHEN WE ASKED HOW OUR BARN GOT ON THEIR PROPERTY. THE HUSBAND SAID WE JUST GOT DONE MOVING IT. I SHOULD ASK FOR A PAYMENT FOR A JOB WELL DONE.. THE NEIGHBOR ON THE OTHER SIDE DIED & OUR BAD NEIGHBOR TOLD THEM TO USE OUR BACK YARD TO GET THE CARS OUT OF THE YARD I SAID NO , CUT THE BUSHES & CLEAN YOUR YARD DO NOT COME THROUGH MY YARD. I HAD A LIGHT BLUE 1943 CAR I WAS GOING TO GIVE TO MY BROTHER . WHEN I CAME HOME FROM SHOPPING 5 MILES AWAY .... 4 DAYS LATER MY CAR WAS GONE..THE OLD MAN THAT DIED HAD 2 ACRES OF OLD VERY OLD CARS. . I ASKED MY BAD NEIGHBOR WHO TOOK MY CAR? HE LAUGHED & SAID THE BOOGIE MAN. & THERE WAS A LIGHT POST MISSING OH LOOK THEY NOW HAVE A LIGHT POST WITH A SIGN & THEIR SON'S BUSINESS NAME ON IT. THEY TOOK 4 FEET FROM OUR FRONT YARD PUTTING UP BUSHES. & 5 FEET IN THE BACK YARD WITH THEIR MOTOR CYCLES. NOW I'M 70 & THEY DIED... THANK GOD.

[@gr8dvd]

Even when retaining an attorney, get the applicable municipal code and, if possible, any key case-law FROM the attorney. Even if "boundary by acquiescence" exists it would have limits. If disputing a few inches only, heard mention of a "doctrine of substantial compliance" which may be applicable.

[@jamesduffy6518]

Why would they remove the fence? Your property looks like a junkyard

[@TheSoloAsylum]

My one and only question: Do you have a current survey in your hand? I did, and I parked a bulldozer on my property line for 3 months, because you aint moving that.

[@dougo6571]

I am a fencer in the state of Kansas. When a fence line has been up and it is common knowledge that the fence is perceived to be the boundary, then after 15 years of the being the cace then it becomes official and the old property line is discontinued permanently. With that said the fence is the new property line meaning half the fence is on their side too. In the state of Kansas the person who did not put up the fence has the same right to tear down the fence as the person who put up the fence had to put the fence there in the first place. So the tearing down of the fence is legal. Trying to reestablish the old property line is not. The cease and desist was only a verbal and did not come from the courts therefore the tearing down of the fence is still legal.

[@papabensvlogs2072]

True.... But it did get the actual land owners talking... And a beautiful compromise came from it

[@rossstevens6165]

Just a suggestion, don't wear your work uniform with a company logo while making KZbin videos about non work related issues. You don't want to be accused of reflecting poorly on your employer.

[@papabensvlogs2072]

Good suggestion, I will try to remember that and consider what logo I am wearing. We just came back from playing there.

[@fuzion430journey3]

I’m curious to know why they took the fence down by live next-door to you at one 8 foot or 10 foot high fence roll of junk you have laying around your property looks like shit bro clean it up a little bit

[@johnminyard1054]

Have a survey done an if it’s on your land you file a law suit

[@robertlafnear4865]

Pay for a SURVEY from a surveyor... PIN the land,... Record the survey..... and put up Steel Posts in cement... and mark your property... thats what I had to do..... just because a fence is up does not mark the true line.... so... my neighbor HAD TO MOVE his drive unto his land.....'cause it crossed the corner of my property and I needed a fence up and around my place...... He liked the drive as is but then I told him... O.K. you can leave it but I'm going to put gates ( 2) with keyed locks that you will have to OPEN & CLOSE every time you cross............drive was moved unto and across his property when he saw me dig in the 5" steel gate posts............... all the B.S. stopped at that point.

[@randynau931]

Destruction of private property is a felony in my state and the gun would also be taken as threat with a deadly instrument is also a felony.

[@canidconsulting5118]

This happens a lot in the country with border and fences that were in place before accurate surveying. Part of the problem: When the acreage or farms were large, much of it may have appeared vacant. Fences, buildings went up; no one noticed or, at the moment, had any concern especially at the outer edges of their land. Time passed, original boundaries were forgotten, surveyor rods and marks were lost. Then over time, the land would be divided from original large farms or acreage to split amongst children and/or be sold off, whittling away at the lots and parcels, making boundaries and +/- 10, 20, 30 or more feet much more important, particularly to young hipster families looking to gentrify the farmlands with tidy hobby farms. This also contributes to why it seems it's always young going after old. The older folks never thought to question it, the young came with a sense of entitlement to get what they paid for, having been raised in a culture of ownership, regulations, accuracy and precision; metrics, measurements, and hard data being king. A copy of the deed, survey and plat map are furnished at closing, then later compared to actual ground (which was presumably ample enough and acceptable when the property was viewed and purchased). The new owners compare the maps or pull up google and ....."Hey! Wait a minute..." So it begins. Then the hipsters get mad and get lawyers and almost invariably would lose to encroachment or acquiescence. Interesting side bar: In one lakefront area, the usage and building had slipped and slid for so long, with the lots becoming postage stamps, you had to agree with the disclosure that the property lines were "as customary and satisfactory to all parties." Words to that effect, and that you wouldn't sue for land dispute. The survey looked like a jigsaw puzzle, no two surveys agreed, and there were property lines through the middle of houses. Believe it or not, it was part of the charm.

[@KeithDBart]

County Office of Deeds will have to do some surveying. A correctional office knows better NOT to threat a civilian.

[@MC-po4yb]

Looks like the mower needs to be broken out.

[@waynepollard6879]

Looks like a junkyard !

[@gailtaylor1636]

Looks like they all were abandoned when they ran out of gas or the belt broke.

[@rogueyardgnome3090]

im guessing the property line has always been what the county records dictate. im curious as i have some raw land and the neighbors on both sides encroach on often. one side is part of there driveway and the other side they seem to cut the grass 50 ft or so in. i had it surveyed and they both clearly know where the corners are. one day im gonna sell it, right now i just play in the woods, dump limbs, and get firewood from it.

[@wendcooper2160]

Put up barn wire fence..

[@BigSkyCurmudgeon]

until you both know true property lines, marked by competent licensed surveyors, nothing you say nor what they say can be construed as factual. a title search will be necessary also, which can open up any long hidden easement agreements. it can certainly be a sticky wicket determining true property lines, right of way, easements, and other ownership by abandonment issues. it will be a lengthy process here, no easy way about it.

[@papabensvlogs2072]

True that is why I am glad my parents and the actual owners of the land came to an agreement that was mutually beneficial...

[@claytonvanthoff8889]

I know this sucks for you, but it's so damn entertaining.

[@ninja1antelope]

Adverse possession….. if you “think” and have treated said land as yours “maintenance” exceeding so many years (~18). As possession is 9/10ths of the law. Ironically, I’ve had my property aggression 3x. All 3 times were by OLDER neighbors, (white males) boomer or older. I also tried to be nice but they thought they deserved my property more than I. They didn’t want to pay or have an easement. Identical reasons for the 3 separate attempts to take my land. The court sided with me in all 3 cases.

[@soniarankin81]

I don’t know how old this video is but my mom had the same problem we got a survey he marked our the land my mother built her fence the neighbors even rang The surveyor and told them that they were wrong that my mother had to leave 3 feet from the fence of her property The surveyor guy in the city Told him that was crap so they were left with a 3 feet margin in the middle all because of the meanness and stupidity .Once you have it documented by a surveyor ino one can touch the fence after that you can prosecute them.You need to know your legal rights with the property before you get into this war .

[@dianemoye6844]

Would love to hear how it all ends, prayer for you.

[@papabensvlogs2072]

Look up compromise for a land boarder dispute... It made both land owners Happy in the end

[@laurieharnach8785]

If they bought the property then they would’ve had a survey done ,which is required, and they know where the boundaries are. My uncle never had his property surveyed so the people behind him had their land cleared and ended up destroying endangered trees and there is nothing he can do about it

[@muttsrus1919]

Survey is not required if no mortgage. (FL) I just bought a place. No mortgage or finance. 4’ chain link fence around entire property, but I installed 8’ wooden fence, 10’ inside of the chain link, so I should be good. Have BIG dogs and didn’t want kids/adults teasing or trying to “pet” or feed my dogs. And didn’t want my dogs barking when neighbors outside enjoying their pool etc. Always be considerate, but building a “Family” treehouse on some else’s property, well - enough said.

[@auntiem873]

Tell them that the realtor lied to them. The land has been in the family for at least 3 generations (80 years) you have paid the tax on it, you have maintained the land. It is yours by adverse possession. That should give you time to - Get a survey! And if it is where they say it is: If it’s been in the family for 3 generations you should file for adverse possession. That would mean the boundary line is what you say it is. The tree house, paying taxes for the land is your claim. It’s proof that it has been your land for years. That is just in case the boundary line is messed up. But without the survey, they will try to take the land.

[@papabensvlogs2072]

We have had a survey done and came to a wonderful compromise that works good for both parties...

[@davidlabrenz7230]

A survey by a licensed surveyer should solve the dispute both sides should abide by the legal discription and realize that an improper placement of a fence in the past may not be in accordance with the legal discription

[@papabensvlogs2072]

Tis true... It was resolved in an episode further down the play list

[@jeanettedegarmo9722]

Be careful and safe

[@vickichavez9956]

We had a similar problem and got a survivor to mark property of course we had to pay but there is no way they can go against that

[@josephheins325]

This is called "adverse possession" and can be retitled said land to your name.

[@debrawittig3944]

When they put a fence up you damn well better make sure that both your lawyer and surveyor are there. Otherwise they WILL take every inch they can. Laws say that a fence has to be ×× inches away from the actual property lines

[@altonrabb1268]

This happened to me my neighbor took me to civil court tried to sue for 50 gran and tried to make us rip down are car port and he even got a fake survey done end up winning