Nemesis: Lockdown - Should You Back It?

[@VTboardgamer]

I happily backed this and am getting the core game and expansions. I've been wanting to play Nemesis since I found out about it after the original Kickstarter finished but could not bring myself to buy it from Ebay or Amazon. Lockdown looks pretty awesome too, but the price is the deterring factor preventing me from going all in without having played the core game yet.

[@BoardGameCo]

I hear you. More than reasonable, all In is a lot of money. If you have to choose I recommend the core.

[@raoulinho82]

Damn... That first 20 seconds! Haha... You should have ended it right there man, saving the rest of the video for tomorrow or something! Caught me off guard! :)

[@BoardGameCo]

Lol :) I debated cutting it short but had more to cover. There is one video that I'm still debating actually having a 20 second video and calling it a day. We'll see what happens :)

[@TheFancyFilmmaker]

Discovered your content about a week ago and this video convinced me to subscribe. I love the detail you go into when discussing kickstarters and how you show your passion for board gaming. 👍

[@BoardGameCo]

Welcome aboard! And thank you! Here and there I get people who think it's all about money, and while I do focus on value, it's only because I want to back everything and have to pick and choose :)

[@seangildersleeve1270]

I'm just going to get the core and expansion. I could afford EVERYTHING, but I just wanted to start with the corebox and expansions.

[@BoardGameCo]

Good choice. Definitely the more responsible one.

[@Freddy_da_fox]

Played a couple of Games, no brainer for alle gameplay stuff for me personally

[@seangildersleeve1270]

@David Save i also thought of this.

[@jeffreyrichey6039]

Thank you for your great analysis.

[@BoardGameCo]

My pleasure!

[@laniston]

I had Nemesis and sold it. Not because I didn't like the game, but it was to an enthusiastic teacher who was running a board game club with his students as a fun way to learn. I never needed to sell it but I wasn't playing Nemesis very often due to a huge amount of new games at the time. Now I am struggling with the dilemma of the current opportunity to get Nemesis back on my shelf. It is expensive and takes up a lot of room, but I think the game is pretty unique and I have a gaming group who might really enjoy it.

[@BoardGameCo]

Let us know which way you decide!

[@laniston]

@@BoardGameCo currently am backing it and trying to sell some items to even out the cost.

[@vievioor]

Did not pledged for Nemesis: Lockdown. I backed Nemeses Core Box with all the gameplay add-ons (love the game) and as an average one-evening-a-week player I assume replayability for me is there for many years. Do not need new content and new races even with new great mechanics. Same as not interested at all in buying The 7th Citadel since have full gameplay for The 7th Continent (love it even more) and it will do the job for many years.

[@BoardGameCo]

Yep, I'm hoping I can steel myself for when 7th citadel comes out.

[@DonnydeOlim]

To be honest... I didn't know (or play) the original Nemesis, but I just trusted all the hype itself, and I just did the "Lockdown Gameplay All-in" Pledge. In my defense, I can say I LOVED Nemesis theme (Aliens), general production, the figures, the mechanics of the game (although I found it, maybe too much, longer than I'm used to for a board game) and one VERY important thing for me: can be completely done in Spanish!!! So... like I did with Hel: The Last Saga, I just jumped in!!!

[@BoardGameCo]

I hope it works out!

[@SubtleMoments]

Your videos are very clever & useful. Thank you!

[@BoardGameCo]

Glad you like them!

[@bceagles99holla]

I think the 7th Continent aftermarket price was more effected due to the Classic retail edition. Majority of content made available for a fraction of the price (~$59). If that didn’t happen you’d see much higher aftermarket prices.

[@BoardGameCo]

James, Nemesis will also be getting a retail print.

[@bceagles99holla]

BoardGameCo it’s always been “in retail” now but impossible to find a copy, so we’ll see to what extent how available it is in retail in the future. Im comparing this to CMON games and their exclusives, since the Aftermath/Carnomorph/Medic are significant gameplay exclusives. Hopefully being in retail in the future is different than it is now, and if it really becomes available to purchase then I totally agree with you.

[@CeePhour]

The 7th Continent also had that weird instance of everyone getting a second copy of the base game cards (sans box/minis/card holder/book) and dumping them for CHEAP on eBay.

[@BoardGameCo]

Lol yes....that was bizarre.

[@JodouTR]

Should be noted: they announced that all Lockdown pledges will now receive a digital copy of a "Nemesis" game (assuming on Steam). I do not believe it's a direct port of the board game, but some sort of 30-40 min online game that's narrative driven in some way. They're valuing it at $20 MSRP which is standard, so there's probably $15 back if you sell the code straight up. For me, I'm getting $20 more out of the campaign as I'm an avid gamer, both digital and physical spaces. Just something to update for your value proposition.

[@BoardGameCo]

yes! Very excited...straight up extra value.

[@LootShaman]

Salutations. Another great video to start my day. Thanx. I have one big question. As a first time dev incoming with our first game on Kickstarter in the next months...what should we do to to gain confidence in our project and to give great impression and more importantly, to look as a Safe Back. We believe we will have a great looking campaign and are planing to be truthful on all account. Do you have any suggestions for us. We truly believe that our game should not go unnoticed since in our case, the future of the company is on the line. We’ve already reported the launch because we thought we were missing something and we want it to be perfect. Thanx again for your support and passion for board game of any kind. Much love.

[@GameBrigade]

Gabé Logan finding good influencers who can clearly show the game to prospective buyers will help quite a bit. A lot of consumers trust the opinions of their favorite content creator and if they are saying the game is good you’re more like to convert a sale. For a kickstarter you want Previews and not reviews.

[@LootShaman]

​@@GameBrigade thank you for this reply. We're trying to get ready a couple of prototypes so we can send them to a selective few. But time and money is running out we might have to go all in without review copies for reviewers. But, they will all receive a Media Brochure with the Rulebook, video how to play and previews for everything. One thing for sure, we are not taking any shortcuts. Thanx for the support. Much appreciated.

[@GameBrigade]

@@LootShaman best of luck on the Kickstarter. Keep chasing the dream.

[@LootShaman]

@@GameBrigade We will not disappoint. If you want I'll keep you posted yeah!

[@JohnHoliver]

I guess the biggest struggle for first timers is to be seen, specially if your project is not flashy (100+ miniatures, unicorns jumping out the screen, etc). It might be fun, it might be interesting, but you need something to bring ppl in, and that costs money. Board gamers will look for previews in known channels, but u can also attract light gamers with targeted ads. If you are concerned with looking valuable, KS Exclusives or being entirely KSE makes a difference. If ppl can buy it later for less, your campaign will have low value. Watch other videos from the "Should you back it?" series and you will see some details about how some backers take decisions, specially those long in KS. In any case... what you should do will HIGHLY depend on what you are selling :) Good luck

[@buellrichardson5222]

I am backing it. I have the original Nemesis that I got from someone who turned it in to me FLGS and I have enjoyed it. I want the expansions plus the solo quests. I really believe I will enjoy this one as well.

[@BoardGameCo]

Awesome! I hope so :)

[@scottarmstrong8178]

Ha, I did the same. Bought the original Kickstarter when they said it wouldn't be offered with Lockdown and then they changed their minds. For me, selling it will depend on if I buy the sundrop version or not. I'll also wait awhile for the Kickstarter to finish.

[@BoardGameCo]

Lol yes. But it worked out for me in the end so I guess I owe them?

[@raptorrancher]

Man, it’s this or Arena/Tanares. Haven’t played any of the core games, but love Aliens, which drew me to Nemesis. Wanted to thank you for pointing me toward TMB Undertow. Having a blast with it, and ordered more characters (Ghillie, Nugget) so my family can play. Do you have a favorite Gearloc?

[@BoardGameCo]

I haven't played with most of them :) Despite LOVING the game, I've stuck with the same 3 or 4 so far. For now my fave is still Duster.

[@wbeytel]

Great video Alex, I am also backing it 👍

[@BoardGameCo]

Good choice!

[@Cardsrock65]

Funny enough I actually hadn't heard about this game really until about 48 hours before the KS launched. But during that time I watched so many videos and asked some questions on the Facebook thread about why people liked the game. Between the comments, and the fact that it's a Dead of Winter + Zombicide + Sci-fi thing, I'm now a sucker for it! Now I'm just trying to decide if I want to take the plunge and go all in, or just stick to the OG or just lockdown.

[@BoardGameCo]

Depends on your budget but if not going all in I'd recommend OG. It's always a tough call but one is good, and one is their attempt to make it better. Go with the safe call.

[@manonfire4jc]

Hey Alex. Did you play Nemesis yet?

[@BoardGameCo]

Not yet :(

[@manonfire4jc]

It's pretty fun. I've played Nemesis twice. Once solo ( two handed) and once cooperatively with a friend. Both times were very intense and fun. Hopefully you get to give it a go soon. Cheers.

[@dancheston5786]

One angle I don't think you addressed is that of the "All In" backers from the first campaign. I've heard the KS Lockdown and retail versions will be identical. Do you know if this is true? If so, what incentive do we have to pledge for Lockdown?

[@BoardGameCo]

Yes, they touched on this in the latest update. www.kickstarter.com/projects/awakenrealms/nemesis-lockdown/posts/2851577

[@dancheston5786]

@@BoardGameCo Actually, that addressed the possibility of an option to just receive the new material as an expansion, which wasn't the angle I mentioned. I'm totally fine purchasing Lockdown as is. I'm just wondering what incentive would I have to pledge now if retail will be identical and most likely cheaper.

[@lordvalinar774]

I wanted to back the original but just wasn't sure, (and am running out of space for board games) and yet.... this came out... and I went "All In" (effectively $307 or so for everything); and I am SUPER excited. I love survival horror games especially with coop. Not really a fan of the defector mechanic, but glad you can remove that.

[@BoardGameCo]

Yep, you can remove that...from what I've seen, most people don't anyway...but the tension of knowing they can is enough.

[@AltarenGalil]

Without reading thru the wholecampaign, if i throw 1€ at, will i be able to access the pledge manager and buy the game lets say 3 or 4 months down the road?

[@BoardGameCo]

Yes

[@AltarenGalil]

@@BoardGameCo Thanks for the quick reply :) ill do that with both this and Kemet and later decide which to get

[@kraviits6647]

Can some1 explain me how it works? So if I pay like 1€ to "support the cause" I still get the possibility to buy the game let's say 2-3 month or in half a year?

[@daodasbrot4817]

Again, like your view on the world. Let People make money, why this should be unmoral, I don't understand. Other companys make money with medikament or milk. About water I don't want to talk. This is just all about "Why I need to pay so much!" Count for me with Death may die :-) Waiting for en other KS there too.

[@BoardGameCo]

:)

[@Kelfuma]

I backed to get the original Nemesis core pledge as I do not own the original game. I had intended to only get Lockdown but the alien models (adult Night Stalker) looked atrocious and I'm unsure about Lockdown's higher level of complexity (eg the lighting/power system and computer cards). But I did like how Lockdown has the elevator, contingencies order, greater player interaction, and more colorful artwork on the board.

[@BoardGameCo]

Nice! Hope you enjoy it :)

[@itamarkatz373]

Do you have any opinions about the playmats and the wooden inserts (I'm a card sleever)? I'm getting the all-in sundrop pledge, but just not sure if I should buy these as well

[@vdatroxis]

I love the gameplay of Nemesis - I'm pretty sure that Nemesis Lockdown won't disappoint me. ;)

[@BoardGameCo]

I'm hoping :)

[@ryanlongfellow399]

The original Nemesis is one of my favorite games, so it was an easy back for me. However, the price is going to keep rising as more cosmetic add-one show up. They haven’t shown the “sun drop” paint cost or the card sleeves cost. I also agree that after this delivers the market for this game will be more saturated and the secondary market cost will decrease.

[@robinrising9929]

I haven't gotten sundrop on their products yet, but BOY are those different colored sundrops on the nemesis set sweet.

[@BoardGameCo]

Yep, I'm expecting to drop $400 or so on this.

[@twistedthistle]

Easy back for me the second it went live (Backer #201) I own and absolutely love the original game so there was no way I wasn't going to go in on this. Still trying to decide at what level though and if I want the cosmetics. Great video as usual, looking forward to your opinion on Cmon Comics too!

[@N3xtFriday]

is playable (I mean, fun enough) if you only play it with 2 players ?

[@BoardGameCo]

Up and ready :) Now I'm playing catch up with comments :)

[@Alphan0va777]

Really appreciate the video I really wanted your opinion...but full disclosure on this one I was all in as soon as it launched...which is crazy because I already have a copy...but I want the sundropped version so I hope they list that at some point.

[@Alphan0va777]

Also wanted to say I really enjoy your videos...I know I've told ya this before but you asked in one of the videos about how you should release videos...I'd vote for one a day - more if ya have the time!!! Thanks

[@Cardsrock65]

They said in the FAQ they're definitely going to list prices for Sundrop at some point :)

[@BoardGameCo]

Lol nice. I do hope they offer that at some point.

[@Rampag394]

I think I might go Lockdown all in and consider getting the core game at retail for a reduced overall price. Does this seem like a good move?

[@danielcarlsen9228]

Depends on where you live, in my country retail price for the core alone is 110 euros, so I think I have no choice but to go all-all-in.

[@DireMcCann]

Depends. Haven’t seen the game at retail in the US, just price gouging on eBay. So in the US probably not. Still the core box bundle is worth it as you have 4x the game play: core; core + aftermath; core/void seekers; core + aftermath/voidseekers. I have the core bundle from the first KS, but my son loves the game and have been trying to get another copy ever since. So I’m getting the Core Bundle for him, and Lockdown for me $245. No interest in the Carnimorphs so not doing the All-In... At the cheapest the core game lists for $120 (out of stock everywhere). If you do your Lockdown All-In plan ($75 less than the Nemesis All-In), please let me know where you can get the core box new at less than $75! I’ll do the same!

[@robinrising9929]

the game is going to retail for no less than $100 with a huge discount, and probably not be well stocked in the US. that makes it arguably better to grab the lockdown core and nemesis core for $20 more than the all in lockdown.

[@BoardGameCo]

My own opinion is just get both then, and sell either the core or what you don't like. For myself I always have FOMO once I get something and want the rest.

[@xobryan0113]

So the question is what to do if I missed Kickstarter backing? Lol

[@BoardGameCo]

I believe you can still late pledge it.

[@blueseqperl]

You can late pledge through Gamefound. If you want anything from the original Nemesis kickstarter content, you need to do so by October 30th.

[@luxordeathbed]

I am late to the game. I CAN NOT pledge anything thru game found. Learned of the game Nemesis 2 weeks ago and can't go for the new one and the expansions I would like. Without being wallet raped.

[@blueseqperl]

@@luxordeathbed I know the Gamefound site will reopen early next year to order the new Nemesis Lockdown content. I don't know if they will have additional Nemesis items for order at that time.

[@blueseqperl]

I'm seeing the base game on sale via Amazon and local game stores.

[@nehemiahmork1255]

The newest update has details on Sundrop painting for the miniatures. Do you think it is worth getting? Do you think it will add enough resale value? Thanks!

[@BoardGameCo]

100% yes. I'll cover it more in my next roundup vid.

[@johansvanborg5870]

On the fence. Like the core game theme better but don't want all expansions since I don't get to play that often. I guess it comes down to the alien design. I like the alien xenomorf and the Alien feel from the core game. Hopefully the extra stuff can be sold.

[@BoardGameCo]

Yep, I'm keeping an eye on the design process.

[@lotterwinner6474]

I went in for a dollar as the price scares me. I also have a handful of coop's that just don't seem to get played enough to warrant the shelf space. But as a huge fan of Horror\suspense this game calls to me. I have to laugh at myself now. Back in May the price scared me but since then I have Backed TM bigbox, Mantis Falls, upgraded to all in for Bloodborne, Grabbed Alter Quest + expansion, Petrichor, Oathsworn. And thats just kickstarter.... Looks like Nemesis (lockdown) will be a for sure thing when the pledge opens. I seem to go hard once a year until regret and doubt and bankruptcy kicks in. That lasts about a year before I start buying again. It's a good thing I sell just about as many as I buy or else I would add divorce to my yearly plan as well.

[@BoardGameCo]

Lol yes it's amazing how quickly we become desensitized to the price.

[@MrScrawnjuan]

Another one we agreed on Alex. Got the Lockdown gameplay All In

[@BoardGameCo]

Same :) I really want to try this one.

[@joeferreti9442]

Why didn't you touch upon the 36% increased base pledge price (compared to Nemesis campaign) but less content or the fact that it's basically the same game despite some changes?

[@robinrising9929]

the new nemesis lockdown is a far worse value to nemesis. even Nemesis is 53% more expensive now vs it's early bird. It will still probably cost you more later if you want those games though.

[@BoardGameCo]

I did, at around 1:40 I mentioned they were bringing it back and charging more. That's due to reseller agreements and I'm totally fine with it. Makes the original backers feel like they got reward for their risk which I'm cool with.

[@joeferreti9442]

@@BoardGameCo You misunderstood me, I mean the base pledge price for Nemesis Lockdown compared to base pledge price of Nemesis in its campaign.

[@austinspratt353]

I'm going.....ALL IN BOYS!!! too bad I'll have to wait till February...

[@BoardGameCo]

Enjoy!

[@jarldjevel6111]

What are you doing guys? I already backed Arena Tanares (expensive) and can't go all in. I don't have the core game. I think in my case (I want to play it) core is the best option.

[@BoardGameCo]

Lol sorry man :(

[@jarldjevel6111]

@@BoardGameCo yeah your videos are linked to my demise

[@DigitalMagicianYT]

who has NOT backed this is the question here :)

[@daodasbrot4817]

hehe, why should I?

[@CB-yh3db]

Nope. I didn't back it. They already owe me a few games from other Kickstarters and I am growing weary on Co-ops.

[@JohnHoliver]

I didn't back it, since long I heard about the alien theme (like the movie) and that never buzzed me. I'm not oblivious to the fact that it's #33 on BGG tho... and Alex saying he is going all-in doesn't help xD But I think I'll try to resist... for the first time in months I only have one KS pledge running, soon zero. Maybe I should just chill and wait for the games I really want like 7th Citadel and ISS Vanguard

[@Cardsrock65]

@@JohnHoliver I'm so excited for 7th Citadel! I'm really hoping it's quite late this year so my wallet can recover a little... I actually cancelled all the other KS I was pledged to to pledge Nemesis, so I too only have 1 running at the moment lol

[@maxnix9256]

I am not backing it. Missed the first print and thought I might buy it afterwards, but in the end I am not an alien fan (Though the game conzept really excites me and I think it is great). But this is not the only reason. Our game group comes together only every 2nd week and currently the shorter games get played more often. Even though it mitght be a great addition and nice to play Nemisis, I guess for our game group more smaller games provide a better value. Calculating the resell value into account might be great and helps justify higher prices, but when you keep a game, the resell value is not that important when consider buying.

[@adriancorralesromeo540]

Hi buddy, first of all thanks for the video. Now, I am really concerned about what to do, I am Spanish and there is nos option to get the first core game in Spanish via Kickstarter so I was thinking on getting the lockdown all in and the core in Spanish whenever it gets reprinted, but it is a lot of money and I have not played the game, just seen some videos and gameplays. We are going to like it and the reason I was thinking on the all in was just to have more aliens, characters and different ways to make it much more replay-able, but days are passing and I am thinking a lot on what to do. Have the money? Yes.. does it impact on my life if I got all in? No.. is it worth it to get all this content? I do not know.. with lot of games at home and some with lots of scenarios, I feel I never will play all of it (example: Conan.. I have played 4 scenarios out of the 25+ we have and never read the campaign book, same happens with other games).. so well.. I was thinking on the prices at retail, the first campaign was like 100 eur including shipping and the retail in Spain is 150 EUR (130 if you find a nice deal), so it is almost impossible to get all the ks content for the price it is on the campaign but.. do I need all this shit? That’s where the problem is.. do not know 😊 summarising, I am in a mess.. hahaha

[@BoardGameCo]

Welcome to all our lives :)

[@adriancorralesromeo540]

BoardGameCo so there is not a proper answer, right? 😊

[@deemuffi3177]

Fully agree. Easy back

[@BoardGameCo]

Yep :)

[@robinrising9929]

You can see kind of what happened with Sheol using the same manufacturer. Nemesis and all it's stretch goals and sheol's base pledge actually have the same number of minis at around the same price. --- Nemesis definitely not going to hit 2x prices after this. retail is going to hit $100 if they meet demand, and then you've got the two stretch goal boxes for $50. Nemesis lockdown looks like it's not going to have as much in it as Nemesis which is a shame. They are stretch goaling mostly core items and I doubt we're going to get 2 full expansions worth of content through the unlocks. But, we already know it'll more than likely be hard to get for over a year after it launches. -- I think 7th continent is a weird one, because a. you could sell the second set of reprint cards which was all the gameplay for cheap and b. the new cheap set of 7th continent.

[@BoardGameCo]

Yep, it will hold its value but 2x price might be only in that first month it hits.

[@bceagles99holla]

My current debate is whether to get Lockdown only or both. There’s examples in history where the later re-themed version has done overall better with game tweaks. Gaia Project vs Terra Mystica, Clank! Vs Clank! In Space, Marco Polo vs Marco Polo 2. Seems more rare where the original is viewed better. From all the above examples, despite the theme being better I wouldnt see myself owning both.

[@BoardGameCo]

I know. I'm getting both because of that unknown, plus when I like a game I'm usually willing to get everything. Even when I shouldn't.

[@JohnHoliver]

F... the FOMO got the best out of me. I resisted until now, but in the last 24h I just went all-in with sundrop, and I don't even know if I should add more stuff... hope not.

[@BoardGameCo]

Sorry :(

[@LeeroyPorkins]

I saw Nemesis at my FLGS, I picked Xia instead. Then Nemesis disappeared. I'm glad that they did decide to reprint the core game. Maybe I'll get it near the end of the year.

[@BoardGameCo]

Having played Xia it's a great game, both rate great though!

[@LeeroyPorkins]

@@BoardGameCo Xia does have the Wife's Stamp of Approval 😁

[@koolaiddude7685894]

Really bums me out this game isnt dropping in price and becoming slowly more available in retail spaces like Gloomhaven was a few years back....ugh just gib me retail options....KS is such a pain at times :(

[@BoardGameCo]

Yep. Some games just hold their value really well.

[@TheWillz02]

I late pledged etherfields just cause they tent to keep value up, idk if ill keep it (i doubt) but even if I don't ill most likely not loose money.

[@robinrising9929]

4 ks expansions on that pledge, it should skyrocket the price.

[@TheWillz02]

@@robinrising9929 hmm I only bought the base game since I get the SG as well And I think it was the same price as it was on the page, not sure.

[@robinrising9929]

@@TheWillz02 yup! same price still if you late pledged, only difference is there was a 5th player thorn night model that's now $10. I was just mentioning that the Etherfields stretch goals were 4 pretty nice expansions (character 2nd forms/two scenario packs/and monsters+riddler which integrates with the core to flesh it out) I think etherfields is going to be way more for your money vs lockdown.

[@BoardGameCo]

I hate you all. Even just seeing this makes me want to reconsider it.

[@robinrising9929]

@@BoardGameCo Etherfields is a big unknown other than the fact that AR can do narrative (tainted grail). The gameplay has so many new elements since the original playthrough. The best sense I get of the new stuff is there's a lot of variability to change up each play, so that certain world things like shops or game mechanics are turned off or changed. They've addressed the grind of TG with more limits to stop the game from becoming an endless cycle of resource gathering , and they've added things to address player count with a turn reserve that increases with fewer players. It at least looks like it could be interesting and like they're thinking about the right things. 150 hours in the all in though, it's got to be your JAM to get through 1/2 a gloomhaven in content.

[@robinrising9929]

I don't know what I'm going to do with this. I want lockdown because I think it's the better game. I want expansion monsters. I don't really want the original core because it just doesn't fit my group well as a pure semi coop with no app or significant coop, That being said the difference between the lockdown+carnomorph + stretch goal pack and the lock down + nemesis + stretch goal pack is $20. That's a $150 msrp game for a $45 alien pack+$10 medic figure + $20 bucks, it's a $75 value that I don't want to turn away from. I think I'm going to have to just get both core sets in the end and miss carnomorphs which is probably my favorite sculpts.

[@BoardGameCo]

:( First world problems at least. I hope your and my worst issues always come down to which games we need to buy.

[@Dandyphonic]

Hey Alex, thanks for the content. I've been watching your videos for quite some time but lately I've the feeling that your KS reviews are purely based on future selling value of the games and risks associated. We are not talking about game play or why would we love this game. This channel became: will you lose money when selling this KS in two years or not? Add ons? Yes let's take them and sell them if we don't like them. Maybe it's just me, but I don't see the point of watching ks reviews if we don't even talk about the game.

[@BoardGameCo]

I find myself answering this type of comment a lot so keep an eye out for a video where I'll cover this question more in depth. For now the short answer is I love games. I want to back all of them. But I also want to pay my mortgage. And I also inevitably trade away a good portion of the games I get. So knowing if a game will hold its values gives me the freedom to back more games that I want to. It's not about a lack of love, it's about combining a love of gaming with being financially responsible.

[@Dandyphonic]

@@BoardGameCo thanks for your answer and I totally understand the need to combine both. But my comment was not based on the fact you talk about game value in your video. Not at all. The point was that in the video, by focusing on price and value, you do not talk about the game anymore. Compared to videos łike the one you made for tanares for example, where you also talk about what the game is, why you back it, why you will love it, etc. Have a good day and thanks for the video.

[@BoardGameCo]

@@Dandyphonic ah I gotcha. It depends on what I can add. If I've played the game I can add a lot more information. Nemesis isn't a game I've played yet.

[@sedraniM]

I came here to get information about the game, like what could Nemesis Lockdown do better than Nemesis? Or should you go for Nemesis or the Lockdown Standalone? Should you get it now or wait for retail? What can you possibly miss, when waiting for retail? None of this questions were covered, which disappointed me. It's a 18 minutes video talking about money and the market, not about the boardgame and it's content or mechanics at all. Are you actually playing boardgames or are you a collector/buyer/reseller that tries to make money with those products?

[@BoardGameCo]

If you're new to this channel, I focus on the value aspect of Kickstarters and not the gameplay. I'm a gamer first and foremost, I log over 700 plays a year and if you watch my other videos, you'll see my passion for gaming come through. But because I like backing Kickstarters, as in several a month. I like to ensure I'm not throwing money down the drain. So I focus on whether a game will hold it's value before I back it. Not so that I can resell...I said pretty clearly in the video I don't back games specifically to sell them. But rather so that I can resell them IF I don't like them.

[@sedraniM]

@@BoardGameCo Thanks for clarifying! This wasn't criticism at all. There should be a place to talk about those things too, because it is a big business after all! I just wasn't expecting such a "market real talk" at all, when i read the title of this video and clicked on it. I'll check out your other videos then!

[@looquanjun450]

Great Video as usual! My friends like Nemesis, but it just wasn't for me. There's more "experience" than gameplay in my opinion and I will only play this if my friends get a copy.

[@BoardGameCo]

Totally agree. For me that doesn't bother me, sometimes a great gameplay experience can be enough for me.

[@calamariaxo]

If you back Kickstarters to make money you should really look into these things called stocks, you'll earn actual money, not pocket lint. Trying to earn money on Kickstarters is just inherently a really bad idea.

[@cyclemadness]

Same with just about any collectibles. I saw one of those shows where they have a guys collection on there and he's talking about how much this and that figures are worth from the 70's. My first thought was, what if he'd bought stock in Apple instead?

[@BoardGameCo]

Yep, that's why I don't back games to resell as I discuss in my video. At the same time I back a lot of Kickstarter and want to ensure that they can be resold if I don't like them. It's the difference between buying houses to flip them, vs just trying to make sure you don't pay 20k more than your house is worth for if/when you want to move later.

[@calamariaxo]

@@BoardGameCo Yep. Don't get me wrong, I really appreciate the video and value estimations. Getting your money back, or more, on a KS is certainly a valid consideration to make when backing.

[@cyclemadness]

I'm backing it cause I want to play it many times!

[@BoardGameCo]

Good reason :)

[@johnpanagos5835]

Haha 2 seconds, yeah you should back it haha. Im allin. I was allin in the first Nemesis KS.

[@BoardGameCo]

Lol yes.

[@ZeNex74]

never played a board game. looks great, want it... would never play it

[@BoardGameCo]

Never played any board games? Or this one?

[@ZeNex74]

@@BoardGameCo any board games apart form the usual family ones back when a kid etc

[@victorlamy6590]

Man, great video, however in my opinion, you’re missing an important point that I would have liked you to cover: Nemesis is getting a retail reprint in the coming months..

[@BoardGameCo]

Victor, apologies, that's a fair point that I should have touched upon. I don't think it changes the value proposition at all though.

[@victorlamy6590]

BoardGameCo thanks for your reply. What are the pros of backing the original Nemesis if you can get it sooner and cheaper in a few weeks/months from retail? You might say the expansions - but wouldn’t it be best backing the Lockdown game + the expansions in that case? Or just getting the expansions as add-ons?

[@defiantj975]

I had to go for the Lockdown All in. I was gonna go for just the Lockdown but after seeing the resale prices of the expansions, I'd rather have them, not want them and sell them than not have them, want them and have to pay crazy high prices for them.

[@BoardGameCo]

Exactly. All in is easy for me...either resell for a profit, or have everything I want without paying scalper prices.

[@alexcannobbio710]

Watching this video for the third time, im still not sure about getting core box + carnomorph or gameplay all in (ive never played the first one, but in two months would be the first it hits retail in my country)/

[@bgm-1961]

Isn't the concept of a "daily stretch goal" a sort of oxymoron?

[@BoardGameCo]

So is non alcoholic beer. Sometimes we create our own contradictions.

[@jeffreyrichey6039]

I missed it by 1 hour! I hope they have late pledges

[@prijomoj8854]

Jeffrey Richey me 2 they told me it will and that price will be same

[@BoardGameCo]

They will :)

[@jeffreyrichey6039]

@@BoardGameCo Oh Thank god, and thank you!

[@dilatedbeholder3865]

Yeah I passed on Etherfields the same. Really want to play it and was so close to backing but the miniatures were too uglyand it just didn't quite convince me.

[@BoardGameCo]

Yep. I still want it. But restraint won out that day.

[@mattnottm8363]

My problem with this kickstarter is that they've decided to include the backers in designing what the aliens will look like. This should've been done long before the campaign started and will just lead to issues like the intruder-with-a-walking-stick or the boring looking void seeders.

[@BoardGameCo]

Yes, I debated discussing that more in the video but I have a strong opinion that they way they're doing it didn't come across great.

[@TheRealDarkSpoon]

Too late. 🤣 Game play all-in. Missed the game first time around so no choice really.

[@BoardGameCo]

:)

[@pulsed3604]

This project single-handedly crashed the whole of kickstarter for two hours, seconds after it went online

[@BoardGameCo]

Maybe....but so did CMON Comics 2 days earlier...so I'm not sure if the campaign or just server issues at Kickstarter.

[@pulsed3604]

@@BoardGameCo I was unaware that CMON comics had also crashed kickstarter, must be server issues or a combination of both

[@rogerklee459]

Great videos. Keep up the good work!

[@BoardGameCo]

Thanks, will do!

[@MrJadude]

Good video !!! on this one although i disagree .. imo this game is horrendously awwwwwful and driven only on hype. I wouldnt even want this game if it was free... You will see it on the secondary market for less in a couple of years when everyone is trying to get rid of it ... again In my opinion..

[@BoardGameCo]

There have definitely been opinions like that but the majority seem to love it....I think it will hold its value for years.

[@markwhitmore4547]

So glad you did this for my most anticipated game on KS! But I had FOUR commercial interruptions in just an eighteen-minute video. Seems extreme. Although two for my least favorite human on earth (Trump) made it particularly distasteful for me. I will probably stop watching these great videos if there is this much commercial activity or if I have to see Trump ads. I hope this was an exception.

[@BoardGameCo]

Mark, I don't set the add breaks nor ad choices unfortunately. KZbin's algorithm does all of that. Why not try adblocker?

[@luxordeathbed]

What is the opinion of people that are late to KS because they didn't know a game existed and get shafted because of it?

[@BoardGameCo]

Shafted in what sense? Unavailable? Increased prices in PM?

[@Ceruleannn]

People who buy stuff only to sell it with a profit, are the scum of the earth imo. Buy only what you want to own and leave a copy at the store for a regular price for me.

[@BoardGameCo]

I disagree with you, but I understand where you're coming from. I'll have a video on it at some point.

[@Ceruleannn]

@@BoardGameCo To each his own I guess! But take the Amiibo hype from 4 years back for example. I just wanted ONE FRIKKING GANONDORF. For a standard price. Some people bought 10 or 20. Not because they care about that figure 10 or 20 times more as me, but only to make a profit of those like me who were to slow to buy ONE at a regular price in the store. That reaaaaaally pisses me off. I've seen Amiibos being sold for over 100 euros when the standard price was 15. It's something I will never support and I don't want to join the dark side either, I don't care how easy it is to do. I want everyone who wants one copy of something, to be able to just go out and buy it.