Neon Dynasty: Tatsunari Enchantress, Greasefang, Hidetsugu, Chishiro Modify | Commander Clash S12E04

Tatsunari, Toad Rider vs. Hidetsugu, Devouring Chaos vs. Chishiro, the Shattered Blade vs. Greasefang, Okiba Boss
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[@MTGGoldfish]

Honestly, I remembered "clash on" and was about to remind everyone, but then I remember that I lose last episode, so...

[@Crunchatize_Me_Senpai]

Can you play 5-player EDH on MODO? I think the four of you plus Crim are all so much fun to watch, the synergy is amazing, but the fact that one of you rotates out every season makes me sad lol.

[@ninshjok]

Next time everyone should say "clash on!" as penalty :p

[@MTGGoldfish]

@@Crunchatize_Me_Senpai You can't, it maxes out at four players :(

[@JTakasa]

I feel like this is the only acceptable explanation for missing a "clash on".

[@chips8623]

I love how Phil was just casually talking about his card and got distracted "....it's pretty good but it's not OH HOLY CRAP SETH HAS A PARHELION IN THE GRAVEYARD OKAY"

[@rishiroy8500]

Richard calling the Boompile and shouting "See ya!" when he got it right will be an all-time moment for me :)

[@bulbasaurappreciator]

I said LET'S GO out loud like a huge dork at this

[@Cloneofshade]

This was a pretty cool game, with it seeming like it could go a fair few ways. Also it feels good to be a part of the 2%, I look forward to next weeks brews.

[@joelhatterini6392]

I'm working a Greasefang deck myself and I find that spellshapers are a nice way to get some discard outlet. Toymaker can discard and cheat a vehicle online, Icatian Crier can make crewmates, while it's not a spellshaper Cryptbreaker discards cards, makes bodies, and draws cards later. Also, Zombie Infestation, crazy good in the deck. 2/2 body and dump a vehicle in the yard.

[@charlesmartin2331]

Only 2% of viewers make it to the end? Yall have one of the better Outros, so please keep it up :)

[@MTGGoldfishCommander]

It's actually around 15% that stick around for the entire outro. Thanks!

[@SuenteusPi]

Ruination is good fair magic and Tomer should run it until the table learns

[@JonTeigesser]

It was cool to watch the sunset for Phil, a nice little background vibe.

[@o8240000]

Commander with equipment support still makes me a little suspicious of Tomer trying to pull a kaldra...

[@ms.sysbit5511]

Esports week sounds freaking awesome. I love the real world theme limitations.

[@coreysierchio4650]

I'm part of the 2%. #eSportsWeek *Thanks for the Content* !

[@roelofftan8814]

man those intros get me so hyped!

[@jasonkorf7700]

Spoilers: Tomer didn't die first.

[@piralos1329]

btw, to combo with Tatsunari/Kermit, you can use Broken Fall/molting skin + 2 enchantment discount effects, and then phyrexian altar. It seems janky, until you consider that cost reducers are generally useful, broken fall/molting skin are protection pieces that bounce themselves for free, and can draw you through your deck for 1 mana (once you get the engine going) until you hit your altar, and then you can combo out of nowhere! I use a similar thing in Sythis, and it's bonkers how easily it just combos off.

[@joshholmes1372]

Think they were confusing cabal coffers with something else.

[@kingfuzzy2]

I don't think you've ever played against a two swamp cabal coffers before ( ;

[@whaleofdarkness]

It's a shame that Greasefang isn't a snake because they could have done a Snake on a Plane reference.

[@shinobu-39]

Yesss!! I've been waiting for this plant giveaway ever since I subscribed last year.

[@Petronio39]

I also just had my first game with the gruul precon commander, though I chose Kaima, who I also feel is overlooked. I got to do some pretty sweet things and even ended up winning the game. An opponent was playing Akroma, angel of fury as their commander, and managed to turbo them out turn 3 with the help of sol ring and treasonous ogre. I got a vow on it and avoided ever taking damage from it, then got to try out a card I've always wanted to play, elemental resonance, and began gaining 8 mana a turn from Akroma. I then managed to pull out my commander and get a big smoke spirit's blessing off goading everyone's boards and growing Kaima. It was about as powerful of a start as I think he deck could have gotten. By the time I started playing my licid cards, they were already pretty irrelevant, but I did manage to swing with them as inefficient bears and close out the game, so yeah, go licids!

[@loganshy2570]

the boom pile though 🤣

[@mrsnufflekins]

Random question, does anyone remember the episode where Phil busts out the fortnite dance?

[@BrewersKitchen]

It's the episode where we play video game themed decks 🤣 kzbin.info/www/bejne/qGmUn4asn7l7apo

[@mrsnufflekins]

@@BrewersKitchen THATS IT! thank you sir. For some reason that scene popped into my head the day and it turned into a quest to find it. 🤣

[@BrewersKitchen]

@@mrsnufflekins No problem 🤣

[@patarfuifui]

Clash on!

[@NoirJester5320]

I did make Tatsunari my ninja deck to bring down the power of it from Yuriko. Now it’s so much more fun, plus I’ve got a few fun frogs too

[@winssports4830]

Yeah I agree with Tomer X Chishiro is way better with auras because of aura ramp. I was impressed that is a strong commander.

[@PikachaoArt]

Basic Land Solidarity!!

[@PalPlays]

Where is Crim?

[@TheQueerLeaf99]

he is taking a break

[@sergiodelatorre9127]

Idk who cares but they are some ninjas in kamigawa that are enchantments, so it makes a little more sense that the toad rider is a ninja and it cares about enchantments.

[@nezix]

I wanna see Richard's deck come back for Revenge week.

[@turnaround8834]

Why did seth lie about topdecking a land in the beginning?

[@MTGGoldfish]

It was obscured by the facecams in the video, but my opening seven was a one-lander (Concealed Courtyard) and then I drew the second land on turn one (the new Innistrad dual).

[@musicalcacti]

Here goes Seth, spiking the rat colony prices

[@Shimatzu95]

Somehow it feels weird for richard to NOT have confidence in boompile.

[@CynicalElephant]

At the end of the episode, Tomer says Valduk goes infinite with Breath of Fury, but I cannot possibly see how. Breath of Fury makes you sacrifice whatever it is enchanting, Valduk dies, and you’re no longer infinite. I have a Valduk EDH deck so if this is an infinite I don’t know about, I’d love to hear it.

[@MTGGoldfishCommander]

Enchant Valduk with any aura and another creature with Breath of Fury. Combat happens, deal damage + sac the enchanted creature, move it to an elemental that Valduk made. Repeat.

[@coreyroach2233]

that swan song was filthy rotten

[@TheDylls]

Shimmering Wings on OP's creature, threaten to remove flying at any time... 10 Magic IQ, 1000 Meme IQ play 🤣🤣

[@MT_LeagueGaming7896]

Me too- just excited to see more Kamigawa nonsense!

[@PPatel-uy3xq]

Tomer bullying Phil for his negotiation about oubliette is annoying, because he would absolutely try to make that deal.

[@fateweaver9]

Seth: "Phil's commander doesn't feel like a ninja." Anime weebs: "Believe it!"

[@Beam_on_team]

I know I'm 2 months late, but I think Ruination is perfectly fair - if players are going to be greedy and play 0-2 basics in a deck there's no reason why you shouldn't be allowed to punish that - I actually think your pod is pretty bad for it too, Richard has said multiple times he doesn't play basics, in which case even something like a field of ruin + crucible of worlds would be a (slow) game-ending engine. Playing all non-basics has a downside and ruination is just a strong card in that situation.

[@Chettor13]

Yay for another game where the two who are CLEARLY way ahead on board and everything bash the ever loving crap out of the other two out of sheer paranoia. The reason some people durdle is not because they love to do it, it is because they CANT do anything else with the cards they have. Just let people play their decks without fear mongering any play they do.

[@benjiboy1337]

Goldfish gang, please look up a Japanese pronunciation guide - it's dead simple once you learn the rules, because it's fully phonetic and there are only 5 vowel sounds.

[@BrewersKitchen]

Hey, you there! I see you haven't smashed that like button yet... Be a lot cooler if you did

[@martinprybylski2392]

alright alright alright ... i did

[@BrewersKitchen]

@@martinprybylski2392 🤣

[@fernandotanigushi8310]

Don't mind if I do!!

[@person3176]

i'll do it, for you

[@ankhi3585]

Tomer "the abacus" Abramovici: "I don't hold any grudges."

[@ShroudedBlade]

I love that the editor edited in the plant glitching out made me actually snort, rewind to double check, then snort again.

[@gerardoayala8124]

That was such a good little detail lol

[@Crunchatize_Me_Senpai]

That’s Phil for ya. So damn clever.

[@warrioraidan]

That angel artwork is from War of the Spark. It was a rare token and the only one I ever found was from sorting through my LGS's token box. It was for both Finale of Glory and Parhelion II.

[@PikachaoArt]

I love Tomer's Long con of saying he won't play budget anymore just to pull this sneaky deck out

[@JoshRudis]

On this episode of "Punt or Bluff?" we continue the Ultimate Anime Betrayal arc! Will Phil's Naruto Toads beat out Seth's Biker Mice from Mars? Tune in to find out!

[@TheWinterPhoenix]

"Naruto Toads" Narutoads if you will.

[@person3176]

why are tomer and seth such bffs this season! they get the best board and somehow team up when they are each others greatest threat. poor richard (and phil)

[@MTGGoldfishCommander]

I remember when I kept dying first and Richard told me "if you don't want to die then you better have creatures on the board to block" so I'm just applying what he taught me :)

[@Princeofseance]

RICHARD IS THE GOAT Leaving everything up to a coin flip

[@Ricardo-zo1ti]

No clash on? I'm so sad :(

[@thatepicwizardguy]

Dude if that ruination went through... lol that was actually a sick attempt at just straight up ending the game this game. I didn't even know that card existed and nowwwwww... if I ever get around to building a mono red deck it's 100% going in lol

[@zebulon.a]

Hey crew, loving the content lately. Keep up the amazing work! Ps. Where can I get a scoops sippy cup?

[@person3176]

We lost the live chat but we got the video. A fair compromise.

[@DominoAmor]

I'm happy to see ruination showing up. I don't think it's comparable to armageddon at all. The real conversation you all should have is the actual value of excessive nonbasics vs basic lands. I'm showing my age here but the original design of mtg intended for nonbasic lands to always have a drawback. Reading the textbox on the original duals even reiterates that. The first third of magic's lifespan has had cards dedicated to specific land hate and against nonbasics. I know mostly casual players complaining has mad that trend fade out, but it's good to remind people that running mass non-basics absolutely can have a drawback.

[@jlbrooks74]

MLD in all forms is just poor play imo. Land destruction for greedy lands that do a ton for the deck (e.g. gaea's cradle, cabal coffers, etc.)? Sure. Blow it up. Playing multiple colors will always have the inherent drawback of having to balance the lands you tap for the spells you cast to make sure you can still afford to do the next thing you plan for. A lot tougher than a single color (or dual color) deck will have to. Running lands that tap for more than one color give you a shot at actually casting the spells in your hand and running more than two colors is already a dance in that regard. The first third of magic's existence did have tons of land hate and specific color hate, but the first third of magic's existence did not include commander. Wizards has printed a LOT less color hate in recent years and has scaled back the MLD considerably as well. Why? In multi player formats (which have grown in popularity), it is generally agreed that color specific hate and mass land removal just kinda sucks and isn't that fun to play against. The format ruination was made for was not commander. Ruination and armageddon effects were around long before commander was and it was aimed at competitive formats. Ruination in a two player format doesn't do a whole lot. Ruination in a 2020+ era commander game might as well be an armageddon and that is often a game stall of the worst kind. People talk very differently about the things they see others do (as long as it's not against them) and also cheer on things they claim they would or actually do themselves. Want to play MLD? Go for it. The first game you cast it will be logged in the memory of those you snuck it out on and the fallout as a result will be yours to repair.

[@scaredycat3146]

Considering basic wasn't even a thing in alpha, the first duals have literally no drawbacks at all and you could run as many as you wanted, your old men magic story doesn't check out. Rookie! :P

[@jetshark8308]

​@@jlbrooks74 "Playing multiple colors will always have the inherent drawback of having to balance the lands you tap" I believe that's the point, excuse the joke but, literally being Magic as Richard Garfield intended. Finding a balance between speed (tapped, etc), versatility (colours), and cost (life/mana in-game, $$ outside) is an important part of deck building/choice. While not everyone agrees, deck building is part of the game, and the designers have said this in the past. Having every deck be 4-5 colours just so they can play the best cards in each colour isn't good, or fun for all players. The designers don't want "Playing more colours is strictly better" to be true regardless of the theme. An example of designing for this recently was a land Seth played right at the end, War Room, as well as Commander's Plate, which each reward you for playing less colours. Consider watching Gavin Verhey's videos, a while back he did a video on design mistakes where he mentioned Najeela, the Blade-Blossom was a mistake. They can't print a better Warrior commander easily, because she has high speed, and versatility (all warriors ever printed, or to be printed are options), as well as a low cost. There's also the fact that she is both an engine and payoff wrapped into one, but that's a different conversation.

[@jlbrooks74]

@@jetshark8308 I didn't read a joke there but ok. "Having every deck be 4-5 colours just so they can play the best cards in each colour isn't good, or fun for all players." The problem isn't the access to all the best cards in each color because you still need to have the right mana to cast said cards. Dropping a tropical island on the field doesn't help a player cast argueably the best removal in the format, swords to plowshares or path to exile. Nor does that tropical island let you cast the best tutors in vampiric or demonic. My argument is not against nor for playing 4-5 color decks (although I do agree that the commander should have all the colors in its identity in it's casting cost when it comes to 4+ colors and no more of this generic 5c good stuff like golos, najeela, codie). My argument is against applauding mass land destruction even those like the Ruination specifically used in this game and saying that it's "ok" because it punishes non basic land players for "greedy" mana bases. The term greedy mana base is a laugh in itself unless it is considered greedy to want to have the colors needed to cast spells in hand and actually participate in the game. If we're talking competitive..sure, MLD and your opponents will likely counter it if they can or just continue to play the best they can because cedh is no holds barred, go for the win. If we're talking casual, why in the world do you want to make it so your opponents who are on multi color decks can't do anything other than sit there and hope the basic they need turns up on the top of their deck? I suspect that most people enjoy the games where each player gets to interact, cast stuff and do stuff. I don't know about you, but I don't really care for games where one person has to sit there and constantly pass because they aren't drawing a land (or in this case the correct colored land) so they can engage in the game. Deck construction IS part of the game and there is no way you are going to play a 5 color deck and run mostly basics unless you just plan to sit there and hope you get lucky enough to draw the mana ramp spells you need to fetch up the basic you need for your upcoming spells...AND have the basic land to cast that ramp spell already available. Oh wait, mana rocks right? You bet, draw the rock and keep your fingers crossed that it's the right talisman/signet for the hand you have now. Again, people love to come here and cheer on MLD plays because it sounds good in theory. Those same people will mutter under their breath if they were to be playing in a pod and some MLD play nukes their entire land base (or close to it) and the entire table has the joy of starting their already long ass game all over again with one land drop at a time when they are fortunate enough to top deck one.

[@DominoAmor]

@@jlbrooks74 being that I've played with my main commander pod for around a decade and also at my local shop for 8 years till covid, and I'm absolutely not the only person that runs mld, it's difficult to understand your threat of "oh I'll remember this." A commander pod or group tends to evolve with each player adapting to what the others are bringing to the table. It's not instantaneous, but it always happens, otherwise that one person doing that one unchecked thing always wins. When a player who has 3+ color deck built around mass basics that might randomly resolve a ruination or back-to- basics at an opportune time and steals the game, is that not the same as some other strategy being abused? If your friends all keep bringing out graveyard decks, do you just ignore graveyard interaction and hope for the best?

[@mmlgamer]

Ruination is acceptable, because something needs to punish greater color combinations.

[@Chuubii]

I love that it punishes expensive manabases, but I hate it cause it often king-makes green/X decks

[@mmlgamer]

@@Chuubii Maybe From the Ashes or Keldon Firebombers are a suitable middle ground.

[@tianruixiao9239]

oh noooo where's the clash on!!!

[@theEevee098]

I guess they ended the premier since it was lagging so terribly. Still excited to watch the episode

[@nsmjohn]

Yeah

[@MTGGoldfishCommander]

Yeah KZbin is having a weird one today unfortunately

[@kingfuzzy2]

It's a wild ride

[@SpecHallenbeck]

Honestly I’m good with ruination over Armageddon because it only punished greedy land bases. Need more basic love.

[@anneausdemwald9143]

Say that you're a German student without saying you're a German student... Phil: monstera plants, monstera plants everywhere

[@BrewersKitchen]

Lol you should see the one in my living room, it's huge xD

[@OGTahoe3]

There are white creatures that discard a card to become indestructible and are great for grease fang

[@arroaboy7348]

Even more black cards that discard as well

[@OGTahoe3]

@@arroaboy7348 it was more for the fact that they become hard to remove with indestructible and Greasefang feeding it

[@ankleshot9622]

Phil trying to lock the Greasefang in the Oubliette and Seth Killing it in response. "They may take away our lives, but they'll never take our freedom!"

[@Dragiceoriginal]

It's kinda hilarious that the crew is afraid of Phil going infinite with Tatsunari, except the only ways to go infinite with it require like 4 or 5 other combo pieces, AND something else to actually win the game once you go infinite. I feel bad for Phil sometimes because he clearly isn't used to having to defend his plays lol

[@winssports4830]

Yeah his decks normally pop off so crazy so now the crew has a healthy/unhealthy fear and respect for his decks/play style. He's kind of the new Tomer at times just ruthlessly getting murdered lol.

[@illyannalavynne2033]

Phil really does seem to get the short end of the stick alot. Hopefully, he takes a page out of Richard's playbook to play "aloof and unassuming."

[@winssports4830]

@@illyannalavynne2033 lol he's tried but as soon as anything has even a inkling of a combo they murder him lol.

[@winssports4830]

@@illyannalavynne2033 Richard just runs 40 thousand ways to protect himself and his strategies lol.

[@tylerfoster2814]

Shoutout to Latulla's Orders, and another favorite of mine, Destructive Urge. Swords don't corner the whole market on combat damage to player triggers!

[@snedthedead]

Yo, Richard's hair is looking fresh today!

[@jekanyika]

I'm early.

[@TeaHauss]

Hi early, insert dad joke here.

[@kingfuzzy2]

Hi insert dad joke and I'm early I'm dad.

[@chrischeung1809]

Where is the clash on

[@seandun7083]

"I'm a nice person, I don't hold grudges" says the notorious abacus owner

[@xavierweiss3390]

Excited for Toad rider

[@mazzykeenan7]

Did they miss the "Clash on"?

[@mightyone3737]

Not going to lie, usually way less invested in any of the 'most recent set' episodes, but new Kamigawa is amazing. They managed to have both flavour and Commanders that are of an interesting power level. I will say, Richard seems to run less 'overwhelming value engine' cards and more 'good over time' cards, if Arena is any kind of guide. 7th ed art is really hit or miss, with many shots being taken while facing in the opposite direction of the target, creating the least loved art style magic ever had. I bought a 7th ed Starter with a bunch of 'okay at the time' cards, which are mostly unplayable, with most of the played cards from it being Forests. Anyways, I despise my two Llanowar Elves from it, and there was much worse art. At least Portal had great art, even if most of the cards are pure derp (I wasn't sure if I'd use them or not, so I bought some sorcery speed Edicts from Portal, which I sure enough never used iirc), 7th ed has a mix of terrible cards, the derpiest art on average and it's white border to boot, so you either love it or you hate it. I use Parhelion II as a finisher in my Tobias Andrion deck, where it is probably the most on theme card in the deck, a clunky AF card that works with the Commander to make tokens. There aren't that many great vehicles with Crew 3 or 4, but there might be something in Kamigawa, who knows? Right now it's Parhelion, Conquerer's Galleon and Sky Sovereign, all of which feel pretty good to surprise people by actually casting Tobias and using him to crew, I can only hope I have a Stubborn Denial to stop the inevitable answer. Black has a ton of 'everyone discards a card on ____ phase' enchantments and some creatures you could run Seth, they also annoy the crap out of your opponents. Necrogen Mists is probably about the best way to have a guaranteed discard outlet each upkeep that also *might* hurt your opponents. "I have a combo, but it's a bit janky." "What's in it?" "Well, Omniscience, Phyrexian Altar, Whip Silk, my Commander, and Rancor." Good gravy, if you assemble just the first half of that you'd better win or you're going to get targeted. I feel like this might be easier to assemble than it looks, Sultai is really good at tutoring for things, and can even Transmute to find stuff. Transmute isn't a top tier ability, but it plays well if some lunatic is running Rule of Law. Rakdos is pretty good at answering a board full of creatures, there are a ton of good, playable wipes in these colours. I'm trying out Phyrexian Tribute atm, looks neat if not crazy very often without serious life loss.

[@Kryptnyt]

Seth: It was hard to find ways to discard things into the grave in White Black Also Seth: Thought Vessel

[@cyrusnadia1623]

Mutating on top of Keimi will make Keimi a different named creature letting you collect the token abilities and avoiding legendary! With one Mutated frog you can go infinite with Altar and Rancor

[@alanpinheirobrito1358]

Love Phil, but this game was on him. He punted twice, once for not countered Tomer's cantrip protection and twice for not played the MDC land on he's turn before

[@winssports4830]

By then he had been so picked on and attacked that I think he felt out of the game so just didn't care lol.

[@Chuubii]

2% squad up in here!

[@Skywarp2099]

Holy Crap! Tomer chose violence this game. Ruination?

[@Uzotrups]

sunny day Phil!!! 10/10

[@NH-wx1fq]

No Clash On??????????!!!!

[@DarkusMagus]

Seth's deck should be called "The Fast And The Furrious"

[@Potatomuffin]

I like how throughout the game you can see the day gradually turning to night through Phil's window.

[@scarecr0w630]

I better fuckin see OW next week! Also Phil you bringin back smash bros?😏....

[@BrewersKitchen]

Nope, it's going to be something entirely different. People may get mad xD

[@scarecr0w630]

@@BrewersKitchen ah dang

[@theEevee098]

Oh no! That BOOM! I was really rooting for Seth here. He can probably still win with Parhelion Greasefang, but...

[@ADVBCAT]

I will never complain about nonbasic land hate! Without it, more colours are always better.

[@kingfuzzy2]

Hope it's a 3 colour frog tribal deck which wouldn't be as cool as my 4 colour frog tribal deck but I'll take it : D

[@jakubmuller1026]

I definitely agree with Tomer here. Ruination might be a salt inducing card but it teaches players to play basics. Seth playing 2c and not having any on the filed was ridiculous for me but maybe I have been Burt out by back to basics and blood moon too many times. Ruination is also a situational card so I definitely is not as strong as Armageddon. With just one mono opponent it becomes very risky. Great game. Glad to see Tomer finally win a game.

[@gabe3704]

Ruination if your mana base is build right, probably only cuts half your lands off and also is being played with a boardstate that can kill people. Cant really call that a bad card to play in the moment, diversify your mana base just like you diversify your board state/ramp.

[@FuturePreference]

Around 31:00 Phil is correct, the art of Tomer's mountain did not change. But it has an added border/frame and the art is zoomed in, and it tricks everyone except Phil into thinking the art is different.

[@froggystrap1232]

Richard you need to play Creative Technique in the deck !!!!

[@davidhansen5067]

I do not play Farewell, period. There are enough good sweepers out there that get around what I'm doing that I can solve my problems *without* shooting myself in the foot.

[@damnjekyll]

Rats driving cars n flying ships is something I didn't know i needed today. Wtf is goin on?? 😂😂😂

[@leaguesbelowthesea]

Very glad Tomer won even if Ruination didn't go through. Fair's fair, play your basics!

[@psychozen7169]

Boom pile for the win. Also though Phil should of skipped the Swan song for the memes

[@gethan3189]

I love the clash crew. But I hate the phrase 'we're friends right?' in commander.

[@LK90512]

Does phil have any historic brawl content on the channel? I would LOVE to see some

[@NeoDeathrose13]

Tomer should play Ruination every week.

[@rexone9564]

you can wrap my plant in a fatal fish playmat, ty.

[@Vidious808]

That opening is so good.

[@moersertrupp]

57:40 cabal coffers needs 3 other swamps to work,

[@kieranwouter2361]

I love that red card, but the feel bads would have been real.

[@nCedric1]

Angry Phil is my favourite Phil.

[@rmreagle]

Fog with buyback = spore frog loops

[@jekanyika]

It seems the premier failed.

[@jomarsantiago978]

Wouldn't it be better on spell table?