You're Watching the MCU Wrong: Phase 2

[@WhiteRaven696]

I just realized; AoS Season 3 references Pym Tech imploding, WHiH Season 2 references AoS Season 3’s second half. AoS3 is misplaced.

[@particles1101]

I have to say I really really loved John Bernthal's punisher. The dude deserves an award. Ant Man and Spiderman and Loki , and The Guardians of the Galaxy are my favorites. I love witty jokes.

[@Its_Enri]

Agents of SHIELD season 3 takes place after Ant-Man, as there's a reference to it in 3x1

[@CarltonPhillupBanx]

I added Fox's Logan movie, Deadpool 1 & 2, Blade, Sony's Spider-Man, and Hulk w/ Eric Banna in my list.

[@MotivationalGrindForLife]

same here :)

[@Fusillimemes]

Where

[@hammerman199374]

As mentioned by others in the comments, the events of GOTG Vol. 2, according to James Gunn himself, happens only a few months after Vol. 1. Therefore most lists put it immediately after AoS (Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.) wraps up season 1 (eps 117-122), then followed by the rest of I Am Groot. Again with AoS, it seems odd to put Ant-Man in the middle of Season 3's events, thereby delaying that season's resolution which is already broken up by the events of Civil War. So I have WHIH and Ant-Man Before Season 3 (after the Netflix shows). This is also how they were released: Ant-Man 7/17/15; AoS-301-319 from 9/29/15 to 5/3/16. I don't really care for mixing the movies from alternate universes in the middle, so I'll watch the Amazing Spider-Man movies before I start the MCU with Iron Man. Many lists chronologically place Iron Fist and The Defenders later on in Phase 3, but with them I don't think it really matters when you watch them in relation to the MCU proper.

[@hectorminator]

There's a reason we haven't gotten to GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY VOL. 2 yet!! Stay tuned!

[@Swenglish]

I'm gathering that this is not a chronology-based order but a narrative-based order.

[@hectorminator]

@@Swenglish a little from column A, a little from column B…

[@hammerman199374]

@@Swenglish Which I account for, and which is why I don't break up certain series to make them strictly chronological. It comes off rather disjointed that way.

[@PVS3]

There needs to be an "Abridged" list, for viewers who don't have a spare 200 hours in their schedule to binge entire TV shows just for backstory. Like, whats the best film from each phase, and what else do you need to watch to really *get* it?

[@hectorminator]

That’s all subjective and depends on each individual viewer. To some, each PHASE of the MCU has a central theme, but to others it doesn’t, and that’s fine. It’s a cinematic universe, not necessarily individual chapters of one focused, ongoing story. So the answer would be: watch whatever interests you. If you’re interested in “getting it”, watch stuff until you think you’ve gotten it. Have fun!

[@PVS3]

@@hectorminator I don't think it's subjective to point out, for example, that there are VERY few through lines from the Ed Norton Hulk film to Avengers. Especially compared to Thor and Iron Man. Sure, there's the subjective "good" elements, but I was referring to the idea of say: "The capstone film of Phase 1 is Avengers, which is a cultural touchstone. If you want to enjoy it, you should watch Iron Man, Thor, Capt. America and Iron Man 2 first, but there's nothing critical in the other stuff, even if it's good."

[@hectorminator]

@@PVS3 and I’d argue that THE INCREDIBLE HULK delivers critical information like how Bruce Banner destroyed Harlem, how he was chased by the military for years and distrusts them, General Ross is still a vital character, how Banner tried to cure himself but eventually, in Endgame, he shifts to trying to accept the Hulk side instead.

[@PVS3]

@@hectorminator GOOD! See how interesting a discussion that is, instead of "Here's a list of everything between Spiderman and Avengers in an order we like"? There are tradeoffs, decisions to justify... Like - Given only 10 hours of watch time for Phase 1, what would you include?

[@hectorminator]

@@PVS3 why don’t you go ahead and make your own subjective list based on your own feelings and perspective, and I’ll stick to acknowledging every entry in the franchise whether it’s deemed “important” or not? = ) that way, everybody gets what they want!

[@SaiakuNaSenshu]

This series is excellent I thank you for your work because I wanted to re-watch the Marvel Universe and I was thinking of doing basically the same kind of thing and now I don't have to worry about doing the studying

[@sertaki]

In a chronological order, Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 should happen directly after the first one, or maybe between the two Netflix shows and Agents of Shield Season 2. James Gunn stated the Guardians movies are only separated by a few months of in-universe time.

[@hectorminator]

There's a reason we haven't gotten to GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY VOL. 2 yet!! Stay tuned!

[@sertaki]

@@hectorminator ah interesting - I am using your videos to improve my own timeline of everything, so I am looking forward to the rest.

[@hectorminator]

@@sertaki thanks so much!!!

[@djtripmix]

Thanks for the info

[@RespectTheName.97]

Hector you need to buy the IP to nerdist so you can carry the legacy of Jessica

[@Antenox]

I love that you didn't even mention Diamondback when you got to Luke Cage 😂

[@rami_ungar_writer]

Leaving aside questions of whether Agents of SHIELD is actually part of the MCU (still kinda unconfirmed), can you watch this order and skip them? Or do you really have to watch them? Just asking.

[@bobinschool]

You can skip them if you want, the "upper-tier" stuff like the movies don't reference them. I do however recommend still watching AoS, it's quite good and is definitely canon. (The ending of season 4 just punts them into an adjacent timeline)

[@Its_Enri]

Quake from Agents of SHIELD is very likely returning so it's worth watching for her origin story.

[@davidrohde2636]

As we see in the finale episode the triskallion has not been destroyed as it was in captain America

[@Its_Enri]

@@davidrohde2636 I mean didn't they say it was being rebuilt in Homecoming? Agents of SHIELD season 7 takes place 4 years after Winter Soldier.

[@davidrohde2636]

@@Its_Enri It was severely damaged after an Insight Helicarrier veered into one of its columns during the HYDRA Uprising. In 2020, the Triskelion was rebuilt and became S.H.I.E.L.D.'s headquarters once again after the War Against the Chronicoms under Alphonso Mackenzie's directorship. But I thought that wasn't in the same timeline due to Coulson's team messing with the timeline. And the Chronocoms have never been mentioned in any of the M.C.U previously I have not noticed anyway.

[@davidrohde2636]

Agents of shield takes place in an alternative timeline to the mcu As Coulson is dead in mcu But alive in Agents of shield.

[@DedricSilva]

Yes but it's still part of the MCU franchise even if it is set in an alternate universe.

[@disneyerapowerrangers2923]

He was resurrected.

[@Fusillimemes]

@@disneyerapowerrangers2923yes he was resurected

[@madnessarcade7447]

Cloak and dagger is likely set in 2015

[@ciscoponch67]

Since Star Wars was the first movie....ok, never mind. Hey how 'bout that whole DCU reboot???!!!!

[@ChrisLawton66]

Where's Dan?

[@5m4llP0X]

When is Howard the Duck gonna be in this?

[@trippytimesjosh355]

Quit arguing people, everything is canon in the Multiverse

[@DedricSilva]

Oh some MCU fans aren't gonna be happy about Marvel TV being on this list since they don't consider it canon because they're god Kevin Feige didn't make them.

[@Fusillimemes]

Is daredevil essential?

[@RyanHaney55]

I like this video and I'm looking forward to the next one.

[@modeoinmoddle3995]

What about phase 5 though?

[@CharlieHepp]

yes

[@dellcoc]

You guys use the phrase MCU like Texans call all sodas Coke. A lot of these are Marvel and not MCU (which are all of the Marvel Studio productions only).

[@kylestateler]

It doesn’t matter if Feige didn’t make them. Kevin Feige said they are canon: kzbin.info/www/bejne/r6TPaHWDaqeSoZY

[@dellcoc]

@Kyle Stateler It doesn't matter if the CEO of the MCU didn't make them? 😆 Sure guy.

[@kylestateler]

@@dellcoc All that matters is that he said that they are canon.

[@hectorminator]

No, we’re going off of what has been officially established as part of the “Marvel Cinematic Universe” by the owner of the MCU, Disney. Along with a few extra Spidey movies from SONY because those characters show up later in the MCU.

[@DedricSilva]

@@hectorminator THANK YOU! People don't realise that Disney literally made AOS, Agent Carter, The Defenders Saga (more like a co production with Disney, Marvel TV, and Netflix), Runaways, and Cloak and Dagger. Helstrom i don't know if that's MCU since everyone is saying it's now not part of the MCU.

[@johnnyeffect]

What is a depth artist?

[@hectorminator]

I made IRON MAN 3 into a 3D movie!

[@johnnyeffect]

@@hectorminator impressive!! I am pretty sure I saw it in 3D too!! Good job!

[@hectorminator]

@@johnnyeffect Thanks!!

[@carpemkarzi]

Nice

[@clayharris7740]

Hey Nerdist can you please do more werewolf science and biology videos

[@Mallory-Malkovich]

The MCU is vast, and not everything is for everyone. If you hate a series or movie, skip it.

[@WhiteRaven696]

Please don’t forget Helstrom in Part 3. 😭😭😭

[@hectorminator]

Stay tuned!!

[@madnessarcade7447]

Runaways and cloak and dagger and inhumans too

[@hectorminator]

Phase Three! = )

[@madnessarcade7447]

@@hectorminator ok cool

[@JBTriple8]

I take it Dan Casey got promoted Why he's not doing this videos anymore

[@hectorminator]

No he's just on vacation and will be back soon. = )

[@JBTriple8]

@@hectorminator oh that's good he deserves it 👏 😊

[@Loser-lh8di]

Release order. Done.

[@hectorminator]

It ain't that simple!

[@Loser-lh8di]

@@hectorminator It is exactly that simple.

[@hectorminator]

@@Loser-lh8di Then the viewer is doing a bit of extra work, trying to piece together when things happen, like how IRON MAN 2 tells us Tony Stark isn't invited into the Avengers Initiative, but the end of THE INCREDIBLE HULK shows us Stark acting like he is. Stuff like that can be helped if you swap around *some* things in the viewing order.

[@nickdillinger]

Oof. I was hoping iron fist wasn't on here. That series was awful. Colleen Wing was really awesome, however.

[@disneyerapowerrangers2923]

A show should not be excluded just because you Didn't like it.

[@nickdillinger]

@@disneyerapowerrangers2923 Valid point.

[@davesargent7304]

Agents of Shield is not cannon.

[@B1GLEEK]

Aos is not mcu canon imo same thing with marvel netlfix they may go back and use some of those actors but it cant be canon for me

[@kylestateler]

It doesn’t matter if Feige didn’t make them. Kevin Feige said they are canon: kzbin.info/www/bejne/r6TPaHWDaqeSoZY

[@B1GLEEK]

@@kylestateler that doesnt mean anything to me specially after seeing daredevil in she hulk and kingpin and hawkeye its clearly two separate version's i can say its all in the mcu different timelines tho

[@hectorminator]

@@B1GLEEK no, those shows are all supposed to the set in the MCU’s Sacred Timeline.

[@B1GLEEK]

@@hectorminator but cant theres be separate branches of the same timeline i just cant in my mind and your probably right but in my head cloak and dagger and punisher and hawkeye arent just one time line or was intended to be in the beginning i think they can go back and say it was now tho

[@hectorminator]

@@B1GLEEK like What If…? Sure, there can be different timelines/realities all a part of the same franchise. But shows with a more mature tone (Punisher) still co-exist with shows that have a lighter tone (Ms. Marvel), in the same timeline, just like the comics have been doing since 1962.