A Beach Episode?!? | The Expanse Ep 2x10 Reaction & Review | SyFy & Prime Video

[@emwungarand]

Sea Level rose by quite a bit. If you look at the intro and bits of the first episode where it shows NYC, there are massive barrier walls erected all around to keep the water out. Some of the existing city was reclaimed by the ocean.

[@KingApeiron]

That's I guess the explanation, but there's no way the entirety of Kings county is under water and Manhattan is still there

[@Jabberwocky415]

@@KingApeiron maybe they raised Manhattan?

[@petersmith6513]

@@KingApeiron Again, the intros explain this with strategic positioning of artificial seawalls. Manhattan was worth preserving apparently.

[@SciFiCatGuy]

​​​@@petersmith6513's not just a matter of higher sea levels. The United Nations campus is 12 miles from any part of the ocean. It sits on the banks of the East River, but from there she would have to walk across the East River, then across 8 miles of Brooklyn to get to Coney Island. That is the closest point of ocean from the U.N. It's far more believable that she walked to the southern tip of Manhattan and was actually looking at N.Y.Harbor, which is a tidal estuary, but *not* the ocean. Still a long ass walk. About 8 miles.

[@AngeloBarovierSD]

Also, fun fact: Recent news suggests Manhattan is sinking under its own weight. Or, as surmised by analysts, the weight of human construction. So, y’know, there’s that.

[@dmann05]

I love the clear symbolism of the ocean shots. When we first see the ocean, the camera is behind Bobbie looking out at the clean clear water, one of the most beautiful things she has ever seen. Then the camera moves to reverse the shot, we see Bobbie sitting on the beach and you can see that the water is filthy and full of trash. Bobbie's perspective on Earth is changing based on her experiences in this episode. Love it!

[@ferchrissakes]

Nerdy: “you’re not self-aware” Clarus: “I know I’m not” So… one of you is wrong or we have a paradox on our hands

[@KingApeiron]

One of them tells only lies...

[@Justanotherconsumer]

Clarus and Nerdy are a pair of docs? Hope to hear more about the medical stuff from them! #exitstageleft

[@Perfectly_Cromulent351]

In one of the earlier episodes, the Martians said they look down on Earthers because they are lazy and don’t work and instead waste their lives away with free drugs while relying on the government to provide everything. Once on Earth, though, Bobbie learns that people have to rely on the government because there just aren’t enough jobs to go around.

[@arandomnamegoeshere]

That and... they're not actually lazy. They're wanting to do things. They do in fact do things... even if its within a shadow economy. But as noted, they have limited options. Even in this world of abundance there is scarcity that the propaganda doesn't account for.

[@helenathedreamer7766]

Another point they fixed cliche in the book when they rewrote for tv - Errinwright storyline here is very different, and they made it more mature, complex, dynamic, and real for the show. Just the fact that the authors recognize what didn’t work and chose to make it better, incredible.

[@juliasmith960]

Canned chicken: it's currency, it's a melee weapon, and it's a snack. Don't leave home without it!

[@cinedelasestrellas]

I love how Amos is eating the canned chicken after he smashes Roma’s face with it.

[@gregdesouza17]

5:40 Prax is one of the best written Scientist I ever seen on midia, like he really sounds like a real scientist, not a sci-fi over the top scientist.

[@Justanotherconsumer]

He’s just wondering and sad that no one else finds it as interesting as he does.

[@AngeloBarovierSD]

@@Justanotherconsumer …which mirrors some actual scientists whom I know. And the _second_ you express a genuine interest in their field of expertise, the verbal floodgates open!

[@mholly1389]

Don't forget the whole global warming has played out by now meaning all the coastlines have moved. if you watch the planets timelapse in the intro youll see it happen. you'll also see things happen in the intro as the story moves on.

[@spacewizard69]

actually coastal line has been move now imagine how much it will be in the future

[@cinedelasestrellas]

Also in some shots of the Earth, Florida is missing.

[@StarkRG]

@@cinedelasestrellas Good riddance. The Xindi destroyed Florida in Star Trek: Enterprise, too. Two datapoints aren't enough to draw a trend, but I wonder...

[@SciFiCatGuy]

It's not just a matter of higher sea levels. The United Nations campus is 12 miles from any part of the ocean. It sits on the banks of the East River, but from there she would have to walk south on Manhattan roughly 3 miles, across the East River, then walk across 8 miles of Brooklyn to get to Coney. That is the closest point of ocean from the U.N. It's far more believable, at least to me, that she walked to the southern tip of Manhattan and was actually looking at N.Y.Harbor, which is a tidal estuary, but *not* the ocean. Still a pretty long ass walk. About 8 miles.

[@StarkRG]

@@SciFiCatGuy Could be, but it could also be that the UN campus has enormously expanded in the interveneing three centuries to the point that it covers a sizable chunk of manhattan and the Martian embassy is actually close to where you can see the ocean. Regardless, the point is that she's never seen a vast open stretch of water and she has polynesian ancestry, so there might be some longing there from stories she was told growing up.

[@ChipMatthews]

I can't speak for anyone else, but I thoroughly enjoy your after-show discussions. I love this show and watching new people fall in love with it and recognize the things about it that make it so great, is both entertaining and gratifying. Repeat yourselves as often as you please. I doubt anyone is keeping score.

[@detrix42]

This show is my all time favorite sci-fi TV series. Very little sci-fi elements in this show. No phasers, no warp drive, no force fields, no artificial gravity, and no teleporters. Just enough sci-fi to make it interesting. Very plausible sci-fi. Such a great show.

[@Daneelro]

It's a shame that most "sci-fi" TV shows and superhero movies makes people think that _that_ stuff is "sci-fi". Sci-fi is science fiction, but most shows labelled as such nowadays have almost no science part in them, and the fiction is uninspired.

[@Yora21]

As a gardener, yellow leaves is about the most basic thing when it comes to plant health. If a plant doesn't look good even though it has water, 90% of the time it's having yellow leaves because of nitrogen deficiency.

[@Paxford0502]

Bobby's outsider perspective on our natural beauty and the environment is so upsetting, by virtue of that old adage: "You don't know what you've got til it's gone." We're killing it right now.

[@creemoon9546]

sometimes you have to break the cradle to make them leave the nest.

[@internaut4257]

we cannot kill it, just make it unusable for ourselves, but after were gone all of it will come back better than it was, it just takes some time. But earth got that in abundance, we do not.

[@ShadowTrailMedia]

@@internaut4257 I never understand this viewpoint. Yes, Earth will survive as a planet. As a physical body. But the life on it might not. Everything coming back better than ever? All species that go extinct stay extinct, and we are currently causing extinctions that we're not even aware of. We are serving as an artificial bottleneck, and there is no guarantee that life will bounce back "better than ever." I think it's pretty dismissive of our impact on nature to think so, unless you're the type who thinks that nothing we do can really change life on this planet. Yeah, these disappearing species can't be important, right? Massive buildup of pollution and eradication of valuable habitat is no big deal. In the larger scheme of things? We're doing just fine.

[@hoon_sol]

Holden's idealism and Amos' pragmatism; best cop, worst cop.

[@StarkRG]

Except that Holden's starting to lose his grip. Eros is still fresh in his mind, he's just seen people dying of hunger, trying to eat decorative plants, and this guy, hoarding a massive amount of real food, is refusing to help him reach his goal. Amos lost it and, in his own way, so did Holden.

[@demoscat]

@@StarkRG The decorative plants also help scrub carbon dioxide from the air. Eating the plants speeds up the crash of the Ganymede ecosystem.

[@StarkRG]

@@demoscat Yeah, I'm not sure that's really a huge concern at that point. You're undoubtably right, but, since all the plants are dying anyway, the effect probably isn't enough to noticably accelerate things.

[@gilserrano8301]

She didn't walk from the UN but from the embassy.

[@charlotte68]

Avasarala changed her outfit because it was the next day, her conversation with Errinwright happened at night.

[@suedonym8467]

Since you mentioned welfare in passing, it's worth saying that the people Bobbie meets in the homeless camp are not on Basic Assistance. They're people who have, for one reason or another, fallen through the cracks.

[@Justanotherconsumer]

Given the sterilization that supposedly comes with BA, hard to blame them.

[@suedonym8467]

​@@Justanotherconsumer if I recall correctly, it's reversible long-term contraception, rather than permanent sterilization. Not that that difference would make it acceptable to everyone.

[@suedonym8467]

@@deadline8416 Ha, good point. Yeah, Earth is pretty fucky. All I was saying is that, bleak as Basic Assistance sounds, it's not a literal homeless camp.

[@datdudeinred]

6:58 Hehe that was cute how clarus puts neardy's hand back when he started to eat his nails.

[@steriopticon2687]

I saw that.

[@raymondamador1487]

That was funny. I don't think he was aware.

[@tonycamas9747]

Clarus may not be self-aware, but she's very Nerdy aware.

[@raymondamador1487]

@@tonycamas9747 ... and pretty

[@wompa70]

Don't forget the Holden has radiation induced cancer, too. He takes medication to keep it at bay. That and the stress of what they're doing takes a toll. I think when Errinwright saw Mao created a humanoid he realized how far Mao would go. Everybody has a different line. Which kinda leads into Naomi's statement that every push at the line makes the next one that much easier. And finally, ain't nobody stopping Bobby from doing what she wants.

[@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps]

Holden does not have cancer, that's what the medication prevents. He might be suffering side effects of the medication and radiation, of course.

[@CromThePale]

Clarus : The reactions you have for every episode of this show are unique and a interesting. That is in no small part due to the great writing of the show. When it comes to something like Attack on Titan, where the same plot point is stretched over multiple episodes, giving a repetitive reaction is hard to avoid. Nerdy : I don't think it is ever spelt out in the show, but I personally believe one of the big requirements for Mars gaining its independence was being self sufficient. This doesn't mean they don't require Ganymede but they are not as dependent on it as the Belt is. The writing in the Expanse is some of the best sci-fi over the last decade, and I've seen a lot of sci-fi! One of the only shows I've ever seen where the writing keeps getting better from start of episode 1 to the final episode of season 6.

[@slickjack2618]

Hi Kids, I haven't read the books upon which the series is based, but some of Nerdy's attempts to rationalize his knowledge of NYC geography with the scenes from the show can be fairly simply explained. As far as I can tell from the show, the UN Building hasn't moved from its historical spot on the East River. Nerdy's problem was that he thought Bobbie and the rest of the Martian Delegation were residing at the UN. An earlier episode (when the Martians landed) clearly indicated that they would be staying at the Martian Embassy. The Embassy could be at any number of unspecified locations within the Greater NYC area so there's no reason to believe its location would be in Mid-Town Manhattan. It could be within walking distance (for a Marine who trains in 1G.) of the Atlantic. Judging from the pathetic wave action of the ocean, I suspect the Atlantic Ocean was played by Lake Ontario. You may have seen Lake Ontario in real life, NOT playing some other large body of water. The Expanse series was filmed in Toronto. - sj

[@colinwells2812]

Although the “dr” Sid they were near the UN

[@Braincleaner]

This shows supporting cast of characters is just so good. Cotyar, Prax, Drummer, Errinwright all so real and fleshed out. You understand their views and motivations on stuff. No one is is just "evil" or "good", Errinwright coming forward when he knows the shit has gone too far is ace.

[@dennistomsen5822]

And we haven't seen all the great supporting characters yet. Or that particular episode where they almost take over the entire runtime 😁

[@SciFiCatGuy]

Elias Toufexis, the actor who played Kenzo, the spy with the eye, did a cameo for another KZbin reactor channel, "Funny Lil Gal," and told how he had originally auditioned for Amos. He clearly didn't get the part, but they liked him enough to create the character of Kenzo. He said that normally, he might harbor some resentment and animosity for the other actor who got the role he wanted, but as soon as he saw Wes Chatham, and how he played the role, he knew that they made the right choice. Wes *was* Amos Burton.

[@AngeloBarovierSD]

As an aficionado of spy lore (from the historical to spy-fi), I immediately glommed onto Cotyar from his first appearance. It was as if his independent intelligence officer with a Robin Hood complex being compelled into choosing a side was purpose-built for me to instantly love him. And Nick E. Tarabay plays him to perfection. I was already impressed with the show but Cotyar Ghazi sealed the deal for me - especially with his “It’s nice!” dialogue in this episode. A moral man in an immoral business is just my cup of tea.

[@charlotte68]

I’m happy that you are liking the show and I don’t find you guys repetitive. I really like your insights on how shows work behind the scenes.

[@KaironQD]

Watching multiple of your Expanse reactions in a row is not repetitive at all! I still love the delicious dramatic irony of knowing things are coming down the pipe and being excited for you to collide with those story beats.

[@IdriveKITTnyc]

The walls surrounding the NYC coast are built high. And there are 2 possibilities of where Bobby saw the ocean. 1. A proposed situation where they build lower Manhattan out to to stretch out a bit. Which is a real plan up for discussion. 2. The embassy is on either New Jersey or long island (queens/Brooklyn) which I I think is more likely. Because of the space needed to land crafts. Makes more sense if they are near one of the airports or the open field areas. Or the current or former military bases.

[@zolahVR]

Bobby walked from the Martian Embassy to the ocean. Not from the UN building. We don't know where the Martian Embassy is.

[@edwinsuijkerbuijk5106]

They did move the scene from where it is in the books. in the books this scene plays out in the The UN International Court of Justice, which has its seat in The Hague ( the book suggests the UN headquarters has moved there too ) . from the current building of the International Court to the sea side is 3.2 Km (1.9 miles) walk. Not taking in account any future sea level rise.

[@gemsdirtykitchen3658]

I like how you framed that "this show doesn't add drama" because it does A LOT in comparison to the books. Holden purging and then logging the distress call on Cant, Amos shooting Semi, Naomi keeping the proto torpedo or Errinwright's whole arc and much more is added drama and didn't happened in books. BUT! This show just add all these so naturally (it might be that writers of the books are part of the production team ;)) that you never doubt it happened. So yes, it add drama but it is necessary for a tv show and it always feel adult. ;)

[@rodentnolastname6612]

My favorite little bit, as Roma (canned chicken guy) is busy searching video feeds in the background, he keeps nervously glancing back at Amos. 😲🤣

[@aaronbourque5494]

The oceans rose. Yeah, Holden looks like someone who aged two decades in the last month. Which kinda describes what happened to him in season 1.

[@hyloguy6847]

I love your discussion at 23:00 about how TV shows often "pass the stupid ball around" in order to move the plot and/or provide exposition to the audience, and this show doesn't do that. Indeed, this is a common trope. On the website TV Tropes, it's referred to as the "Idiot Ball".

[@DarkChaos87]

As Nerdy has already forgotten ... Soldiers of Mars train at 1G of Earth's gravity. More or less, they train at the same gravity as Earth at "sea level".

[@jddang3738]

True. But also want to point out they sometimes train at 1G. Bobby quickly realized that isn’t worth shit when facing real gravity lol

[@golfr-kg9ss]

Things have changed on Earth and the oceans are higher. In show intro notice the seawall around the Statue of Liberty to keep the water out.

[@michaelgonzalez6295]

16:48 I am not familiar with New York City so much, but if you recall in earlier episodes where the New York skyline is shown, you see the Statue of Liberty is below sea level but not submerged. There are dams/dikes keeping the statue and the island from being underwater. From that, Im guessing the sea levels have raised and maybe the water is closer to her than previously assumed. Also, that Martian compound/embassy is large and may not exactly be THAT close to the UN itself.

[@SciFiCatGuy]

But what he's talking about is not just a matter of higher sea levels. The United Nations campus is 12 miles from any part of the ocean. It sits on the banks of the East River, but from there she would have to walk across the East River, then across 8 miles of Brooklyn to get to Coney Island. That is the closest point of ocean from the U.N. It's far more believable that she walked to the southern tip of Manhattan and was actually looking at N.Y.Harbor, which is a tidal estuary, but *not* the ocean. Still a long ass walk. About 8 miles.

[@johnjungkook2721]

@@SciFiCatGuy Why are people assuming that the future UN building is in the same location as the present-day one?

[@SciFiCatGuy]

@@johnjungkook2721 ummm, because that *SHOWED* it clearly in the show. It's the same building. Why would people assume it wasn't? Why would people who've clearly never been there want to debate stated geographical facts they k ow nothing about. I've lived there. I drove a taxi in the city and shown real estate all over lower Manhattan. Yer people who've nevr laid eyes on the U.N. building feel the need to argue a moot point thay k ow nothing about. As I've said, MULTIPLE the setup really doesn't matter to anyone else in the world except for me, Nerdy, and maybe 3 other people. What I find hilarious is the number of people and the extent that you guys go to rationalize a simple error or detail ignored. It's like y'all simply can not accept the fact that this show got a simple insignificant detail wrong. It's really comical.

[@3Kings_Industries]

The book does such a fantastic job of detailing the difference between Earth & Mars, and especially Bobby's realization that Earth would be the Victor if the planets went to war

[@daxeah8472]

Well not in space but definitely if they tried to land troops in Earth.

[@3Kings_Industries]

@@daxeah8472 right. Bobby's consistent argument was that Martian marines would win in a battle vs Earther infantry. But, the book describes her understanding of how incorrect her assumption was, based on her experience of Real Earth gravity vs the Martian 1-G training. She realizes there wouldn't be much of a contest at all, and that most Martians, even those that trained for it, would be defeated by Earther's upbringing Ina 1-G environment.

[@steriopticon2687]

@@3Kings_Industries Also that All the Martian Marines would be a tiny drop in the bucket vs. billions of Earthers.

[@surfeit5910]

In reality, it wasn't the ocean, but Upper NY Bay where she was sitting by the water. That would be the closest ocean-like body of water at least.

[@SciFiCatGuy]

And that's still a long ass walk from the U.N.

[@rodentnolastname6612]

There is a subtle character arc of Holden slowly adopting the negative traits of Miller and Amos, and wrestling with their implications.

[@StarkRG]

It's worth pointing out that Martian Marines train at 1g. I think MCRN ships might also accelerate at 1g by standard so they should always be used to it. They do this specifically so they're able to invade Earth if needed, from their inception both the MCRN and MMC were created to fight Earth. Also, swimming shouldn't be harder in higher gravity (up to a certain limit, of course) because the water you displace with your now 3x heavier body also weighs 3x more so you should be just as buoyant no matter what the gravity is (up until the pressure and temperatures are high enough for water to become supercritical and loses the boundary between "under" and "above" water, though I think swimming in water above boiling temperature presents new problems unrelated to gravity).

[@Justanotherconsumer]

The understated closing to this comment is *chef’s kiss*.

[@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps]

_"Also, swimming shouldn't be harder in higher gravity (up to a certain limit, of course) because the water you displace with your now 3x heavier body also weighs 3x more so you should be just as buoyant no matter what the gravity is"_ Well, I figure that would depend on if it takes many times the amount of muscle power to move your 3x as heavy body in 3x as heavy water or the same amount.

[@StarkRG]

@@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps Why? Your body doesn't actually have more mass, so there's no more inertia to overcome, and drag is a factor of the shape and skin of an object not it's mass not weight, so that wouldn't be any different either.

[@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps]

@@StarkRG So it' takes the same amount of muscle power.

[@StarkRG]

@@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps As far as I can tell, yeah, gravity only affects how much things are attracted to the ground (and, therefore friction when they're sitting on a surface) not how much energy it takes to move them horizontally. You can think about different gravities like being in an elevator. Higher gravity is like going up in the elevator. If you're carrying something heavy, (say a box of rocks for the celebrity that lives in the penthouse) going up in the elevator won't make it any harder to move around horizontally, just to lift.

[@daxeah8472]

This is one of my favorite episodes. From learning more about Amos to Bobbie seeing the "ocean" for the first time, this episode stands out even after watching the show 20+ times.

[@Denashi]

IIRC in the book, Alex is actually alone on the Roci for several weeks (at least a lot longer than in the show)! No wonder he's going a tiny bit stir-crazy! 🤪

[@JayOliversion2]

To Clarus' question (~24m mark): Sure, you repeat yourselves a bit, but (to my mind) it's because those observations (the show's quality, the awareness of the actors/characters, etc) are repeatedly proven, and are rare enough within pop media to be worth praising again and again. :)

[@cliveklg7739]

Bobby wasn't at the UN she was at the Martian embassy.

[@BenJuan26]

The interesting thing about people like Mao -- people with power who aren't part of a government -- is that you can't really say that they're "Earth", "Mars", or "The Belt", because that distinction only goes as far as their loyalties lie. I can be a Canadian but do bad stuff on behalf of a foreign entity in North Korea, government or not. Same goes for a powerful Earther when his Earth contacts aren't putting up their end of the deal. If all he wants is money and power, I don't think he really cares where it comes from. The fact that it can't be boiled down to three big factions fighting each other is part of what makes such good writing. I couldn't agree more about how great the characters' behaviour is. It's (more or less) rational, and trope-crushing around every corner. I found it so refreshing, and constantly surprising, on my first watch through.

[@blackpaw29]

Bobbie seeing the ocean is one of my favourite scenes, her wonder at that filthy beach and polluted water is magical, gives you a feel for what Martians are dreaming for and how stark mars is. And the music is sublime.

[@scottlazar9147]

Having watched the entire series three times already, it's really fun watching you go on this journey. Your repeating your thoughts and opinions about the characters, acting and the writing are enjoyable because I did the same things a thousand times myself. It's not just some of the best sci-fi, but some of the best drama, ever.

[@PHDiaz-vv7yo]

Three times? Rookie numbers Inyalowda 😊

[@shawnloging8649]

To Clarus's request: The consistency of excellent content and production is one of the best elements of the show. It's easy to repeat the same comment over and over again.

[@rodentnolastname6612]

Of note; though it didn't make the edit, Bobbie uses her Purple Heart to unseal the window. 🤔

[@Icypenguigo]

This is the episode where I fell completely in love with Bobbie Draper. I simp for her hard, and I'm not ashamed to say it. Oh and I think you guys do a great job of reacting to this show! I find your comments and discussions about it interesting and fun. And you guys have some insights about aspects of this show that I'd never considered. I've watched your whole reaction series so far, and I plan to stick around! So I assume you're doing something right. :P

[@obelisk21]

This episode indicates the storytelling style where they periodically pay off some explanations to some of the subplots but then introduce new mysteries to chew on in the same breadth. I agree with you about the characters written on this show. People are reacting to information in believable ways based on their own perspectives and motivations. People on this show are not doing bad things just because they are evil, they have provided them real backstories and reasons for their actions.

[@blackpaw29]

In NZ/Oz "guys" is often used as a genderless generic term. Also, I loved your discussion on what "morally gray" actually means.

[@Jwine3257]

Walking through a doorway and forgetting shit is actually a common thing. There have been studies on it, very bizarre stuff

[@Justanotherconsumer]

Doors and corners?

[@jamesholland5761]

Great reaction and analysis! I absolutely love the after episode conversion! Please don't change about some of the things you both may repeat each episode like " this show is so good!" " I love this show!" I think that you both are very on point during your conversations! Clarus is really on point alot! The conversation between Amos and Prax is so damn good! Looking forward to the next one!

[@wild_lee_coyote]

The only real thins you repeat is how great the show is. Which is understandable because it really is. It’s a show that starts a bit slow but as with Eros once it gets going it just gives you the Juice and goes for a hard burn. It has so many twists and turns you never know where it is going. You guys do a good job of keeping it interesting and your reactions are genuine, educated, and from someone who loves sci-fi. The character development in this series is one of the best in Hollywood.

[@andrewcarter9649]

I think the only thing repetative in what you guys have been saying in your discussions for this show is that it's great, which is understandable. It's another triumph of this show that it does give you a lot of discussion points to go over after every episode, keeping the discussions moving along and covering something new every time.

[@vinsanity40k]

nothing wrong with repeating compliments of a show which deserves it 😄 the show's trajectory will continue to impress.

[@rodentnolastname6612]

Keep saying that the show is great because it's STILL going to get better 😲

[@jasondolph2785]

One of the reasons the writing for The Expanse is so good is the fact that almost ALL of the characters are morally gray, and the ones who aren't still have believable motivations. Just like Thanos in the Avengers movies - EVERYONE in this series believes they are doing the right thing from their own perspective.

[@Justanotherconsumer]

They’re better written than Thanos though. Mad Titan’s plan was nonsense - he thought it was great, but… shouldn’t he be smarter than that?

[@ОбразцовТимофей]

An ocean scene was so gorgeous. Especially music and acting.

[@addickland5656]

Remember that Mao, once his man Dresden found the pm on phoebe, sold this whole enterprise to Errinwright (who probably knew about Eros generally but not the truly afwull details) as a weapon first and foremost to keep a "shadow government" backing him up and to protect him from any legal or civil consequences, while he focused on the Eros experiment, the thing that he really cared about. It makes sense that Errinwright knows exactly what attacked on ganymede and has the sales pitch for it: HE was the one for whom Mao had that pitch made!

[@rodentnolastname6612]

Bobbie probably would not be trained to swim. Enough water on Mars to swim in would be a high luxury.

[@k5sss]

The MMC goes to extreme lengths to train Marines for Earth conditions, and they wouldn’t want to lose the war over something as stupid as someone not knowing how to swim. It might be a luxury for civilians, though.

[@thomashiggins9320]

The fact that you guys keep saying the show is "great" and that you love the characters and their development, just testifies as to how good the show actually is. As you've noted, you haven't seen a single bad episode (and, FYI, you won't), and the characters are genuinely written as complex and believable human beings. So, we all know that stuff, but because we agree we won't give you a bad time about it. That said, the reason we watch reaction channels is because it's a blast to see you guys try to figure out what's happening, knowing how close you get, or how badly you flub. 😁 Then, when the payoff comes and the show gives you a reveal, it's fun to see you realize how much sense that makes, and why you came so near or missed it so badly. For instance, Errinwright knew what had happened was a protomolecule-based weapon system test because Jules-Pierre Mao had been working with him to create exactly that. The two men had a falling out, and Mao went looking for a new sponsor to fund the research he felt would save humanity from a terrifying alien threat. Clarus' observations about Chrisjen were spot-on. Avasarala does really terrible things for the best possible reasons. 😀

[@LeeCarlson]

There are a lot of congruencies between the view we are being given of Mars and the old USSR. And Bobbie has been raised on the propaganda of Mars which makes the Martians the stalwart frontiersmen while Earthers all live in luxury. Now she's having her eyes opened.

[@grafffuller3265]

We are loving your reactions. Thoughtful and deep. BTW, the writers of the book, that go by the pseudomim of James S.A. Corey (Daniel Abraham and Ty Frank) are also part of the writer's room. They are also Executive Producers of the show...at least by Season 3 onwards. Cannot remember if they were EPs before in S1 & S2, but they were always in the writer's room...writing episodes. Ty Frank was the one that built the world in the books, while Daniel Abraham was the dialogue and character's person, but one write primarily James Holden and the other wrote Josephus Miller (and in the editing they tweaked the other person's work), so by the end, they had written the whole, without much deliniation of who wrote what. The book series is complex, too; while the TV Series melds certain characters together. The further the show goes, the more characters are combined. I love both the books and the TV series. We have been watching these reactions weekly, but to my wife and I (who have seen the TV series multiple times [4-5], and now dozens of reactions of it. ATM, we are watching one reacter who is still in S1, while watching your S2 reactions. In fact, we JUST watched her reaction of S1:E6, then immediately pulled up your reaction of S2:E10. We love this show SO much...and we REALLY appreciate your knowledge of the industry and RL knowledge of being on set for other shows, that the other reactor knows NOTHING about. Her reaction is pure, just watching it without any extra knowledge, while the two you bring other industry knowledge, and your personalities (btwn the two of you) are so different, but you come at a scene or a character in unique but also similar ways. You, generally love the characters that you are supposed to love (like Amos), and despise the characters that you are supposed to despise (like Chicken Man). Your discussion about Anderson Dawes in the previous reaction was AMAZING. You were approaching the conflict from two diametrically different positions, but eventually came to the same point. We love that. You are DEFINITELY not cookie cutter reactors. You bring real thought to your reactions. You watch with intent and we are LOVING your reactions. Thank you. Don't worry if you are repetitive. Harp on those issues. Clarous' insights are great. You both work well together (as a married couple should grow to do, but not all do). She see the world in a slightly different way than most. Not a dig, but in a LOT of ways is refreshing. While Nerdy is more pragmatic (which is why he loves Amos so much). In some ways, Clarous is like James Holden (who is my favourite character) and Nerdy identifies closer to Amos. My wife, Marie, identifies with Naomi. She is pragmatic, but also BRILLIANT...and is able to cut through bullshit like a hot knife through warm butter). So, between the two of us, watching the two of you...we gain information and learn/adapt to each new scenario...and LOVE what this show is doing in your experience, which adds to our experience. Thank you. If you love S2 is your favourite, then each successive season is going to be your favourites, each season. Clarous' desire to learn more about Cotyar Ghazi. Oh, hang in there. Love your understanding of what Morally Grey characters ACTUALLY are. You are SO right. You brought up Snape, and I said, but I like him...and my wife said...yeah, and I do too, but he was the bad guy...from the beginning. You then confirmed my bias immediately like she did. Yes, your are totally correct. He is NOT morally grey...at all. Thank you for calling out my BS (both to Marie and the two of you). Ah, the Seanchan. Yes...I'm currently in my 9th read of the Wheel of Time (upcoming book is The Gathering Storm). AND you are so right. I just wish that Robert Jordan could've written his outrigger book that he was desiring to write after the series ended. I don't want to mention who's in it, for that is a Spoiler, but yeah, no...the Seanchan are bad, from top to bottom. Yikes. I still love Tuon, but that is because we've been in her head and understand why she does things, though we disagree with WHAT she is doing and why. Great character. She's not morally grey, either. Holden has got a guant look to him atm. Big brain Nerdy. We love you both.

[@Mannchini]

Love your reactions. You’re giving me insight I didn’t necessarily have myself while also feeding my confirmation bias 😁😁 Also, Bobbie’s reaction to seeing the ocean was such an emotional scene. Frankie Adams smashed it. Strap in and bring tissues, next three episodes are fire.

[@gilserrano8301]

She did not fall because of gravity. The military trains at 1 g. It was the vertigo induced by a horizon. Keep in mind, most people that are not from earth have ever seen a horizon and a deep vault of blue sky.

[@kevinoneill2090]

I think the shock of seeing a bird, in this case the seagull, made her lose her balance.

[@baycun]

Also, if Marians or Belters see a sky and horizon without a suit and helmet, it means that they are about to die due to a lack of atmosphere.

[@shadowbannedmel]

I never get tired of hearing how much you love the show. We’ve all been there.

[@artboymoy]

What I want, is chicken... Love the way the guy says it. Errinwright could have the information from prototypes and what not, since he was working with Mao on getting things for Earth's forces. Prax is such an awesome character. Ganymede is very important and is the only place to grow large amounts of food for the Belt. I love Bobbie getting to the ocean and her journey and talk with Nico.

[@mdneal79]

Great reaction! The only thing I hate is that it's only once a week. It will take ages for them to get caught up.

[@raymondamador1487]

The series has ended. They can take their time. However the series is sixty two episodes, which is over a year and ten weeks.

[@mdneal79]

​@@raymondamador1487Okay, thanks for the info. Thought we had more seasons left.

[@ThePrimeVictor]

If at some point you want a bit of backstory on Amos I HIGHLY recommend reading the novella The Churn, you can get through it in about 90 min to 2 hours. You can do it at any time but after season 4 before season 5 is the best place thematically to read it.

[@blackpaw29]

I don't find your reactions repetitive, on the contrary, quite refreshing and intriguing, you bring up viewpoints I haven't considered, and I've seen a lot of reactors for the expanse.

[@Nebulorum]

I enjoy the discussion on the craft and the writing a lot. I don’t think you are repetive, and Clarus is super sharp on her observations.

[@emwungarand]

"I didn't realize Jules had already seen a proto-person" One thing this show does rather poorly is illustrate properly the passage of time. MANY MANY MONTHS pass between some episodes, and it's never really communicated to the audience. The time it takes for Bobbie to travel from a moon of Jupiter to Earth, months and months. A substantial amount of time has passed between when Dresden found Julie and told Mao, until now.

[@troikas3353]

That's an intentional choice. Making the time skips concrete and defining the actual time that is needed to traverse these distances becomes both a distraction to the audience if something doesn't line up and handcuffs the writers by forcing them to always keep it in mind. Keeping the time scale soft and unspoken circumvents that without really losing anything.

[@emwungarand]

@@troikas3353 I understand why they did it for the show. It just seems like Nerdy maybe wasn't picking up on the fact that a lot of time had passed and multiple protomolecule programs under the purview of Mao have had the time to reach maturity.

[@mmattson8947]

They don't illustrate the passage of time, but it wouldn't necessarily take many months for Bobbie to travel from Jupiter to the Earth. Jupiter is 5 AU from the sun. Let's use that distance, and not worry if it is 4 or 6 AU from Earth (and that the Sun isn't in the way). A ship with a constant thrust of 0.2g will travel that distance in 10 days. (The Epstein Drive changes everything.) Since you don't want to fly by your destination, it would be roughly 7 days accelerating and 7 days decelerating. If they have to ration fuel, maybe it is only 0.1g, which would make it one month. (And given that this is a vital peace conference, they wouldn't be sacrificing speed to conserve fuel.)

[@SafeDang3r]

God I so badly want you guys to binge this!!!!

[@HeliRy]

Ditto. I’m watching the series again for the 8th time and just finished the 5th season lol. I just want them to get farther into it and realize the “thing” that the show is really about. It’ll be funny to see their jaws drops when _you know what_ happens 😉

[@blackpaw29]

Same, but then its over so quickly :(

[@Kevin_Underhill]

I don't feel there is too much repetition with what you say besides the obvious that this is a really good show and how great Amos is. That said, I only found your channel and started watching when you started releasing the Expanse videos, so I've been watching each episode as you release them. Your timing was perfect as I has just finished book 2 for the first time and thought perhaps I should re-watch the show (again). I haven't yet watched your other videos, perhaps I'd get the Nerdy-isms if I had. By the way, have you considered reacting to Orphan Black? I recently started re-watching it in anticipation of the sequel. I only mention it because it is another great scifi show that I feel highlights (or plays with) the morally gray vs straight up wrong.

[@Metro498]

Why we watch The Expanse reactions is that you react to this show as we did the first time. A gut turning, heart pumping, thrill ride that keeps paying off each episode. We all bring are emotions to the table, and feed adrenaline to each other. Be who you are and don't fret about what the audience thinks. The best reaction videos are couples and mix groups. You two are doing great. Keep going the payoffs will be fantastic!

[@HeliRy]

Dunno how you guys can keep from binging the series. I’m watching it for the 8th time and already burnt through 5 seasons in three days lol.

[@MrJambot]

They didn't choose to watch it, like you or I. They have pragmatically decided to watch the show because other reaction channels have built a Patreon base from it.

[@HeliRy]

@@MrJambot Yeah, fair enough.

[@LeeCarlson]

I love watching your reactions because even when you are using the same words, Clarus' facial expressions are always unique and worth watching. I also appreciate watching when Nerdy sees the same things that I have when watching the shows that you react to.

[@Benjamas-]

This show, and the books that spawned it have such well written characters

[@caseybean1305]

Hold on a second! At 26:45 Nerdy says "you're not a very self aware person" to which she responds "Oh! I'm aware of that" What? Isn't that being self aware? Or it's circular logic at the least. Point A leads me to......Point A. Surprise!!

[@minkalampinen9519]

This is a brilliant episode in every way! But the Cascade Effect is utterly chilling because we're actually living right in the middle of the fastest Mass Extinction disasters in the history of our planet. And it doesn't look like we can stop it. The Cascade Effect is a very real natural phenomenon.

[@LeeCarlson]

Mao lives on Earth. If you remember when Errinwright met him at his estate. And then he runs a major multi-planetary corporation so that Dresden and Strickland could have been working independently of one another. And from my viewpoint, the Caliban was released on the UN troops, and when it overran the Martian position that was just collateral damage, as was the destruction of the mirror and its aftermath.

[@yewnork]

Avasarala is the best guy while Amos is that guy :D

[@robertpower8374]

I suspect a large number of the people watching your reactions are people who have already watched multiple other reaction channels in addition to watching the show themselves. So basically I wouldn't worry about repetition, everyone catches different things at different times and cuts the reaction in different ways but still comes out the end really enjoying the show.

[@JohnSmith-ox7xc]

lol. You do say a lot of repeating stuff. Nerdy tends to say: "This show is so good" "I can't believe the quality of the effects especially since it's network tv" Clarus: "She looks so good in those outfits. How rude."

[@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t]

8:40 She's a Marine, she'll walk it off.

[@Brownyman]

Prax is in episode 7 of "The Last of Us" as the FEDRA recruitment officer.

[@Nickel138]

I don’t think there is enough water on Mars where they can go swimming, so I’m sure Earthers are the only ones who know how to swim.

[@Luzarioth]

I guess it's 50/50. 50% are here because of YOU, and don't care if you repeat yourself. 50% are here for the Expanse, and can't here enough praises for it :)

[@mmattson8947]

So Clarus is aware that she is not self-aware. Isn't that sort of paradoxical thinking how Captain Kirk (on Star Trek) caused computers to self-destruct?

[@hawkthorn33]

More layers peeled back, so many more to go...

[@jayburn00]

The sea level rose significantly, they show it in some in some intros.

[@OceanLily]

Sucks for the Belters since Ganymede was where they went to give birth to their kids.

[@acaptaincole8456]

MMC marines train and work out in 1G = to earths gravity so Bobby is going a acclimate to Earth more quickly then other martians

[@ksbsnowowl3569]

Bobbi wants to see the ocean because she’s of Māori descent. The ocean was important to her ancestors, and she’s never seen it.

[@__Dana__]

she's Samoan, not Māori lol (Frankie at least)

[@samanthaa.6055]

Polynesian I think is the term used

[@mattdrahos2662]

"All the characters on the show behave like adults..." one of the most smartest reactions about this show I have heard yet. Nobody is just plain Jane psychotic, or in any other way one dimensional. The show's genius, is that everybody we see gets an arc. Even short time players get one. Side note: I Really Really hope Corridor or somebody interviews the Stunt woman who took that building roll. That looked NASTY. Lulu doesn't hide padding well.

[@Justanotherconsumer]

Few of them are even plain Jayne (Cobb) money-made-me-stupid and carrying the idiot ball.

[@k5sss]

I wonder how much of that is due to the book’s writing style: they alternated chapters, taking one character’s POV and mostly reacting to what the other author did in the last chapter.

[@SciFiCatGuy]

Steven Straits apparently has pretty bad eyesight, but didnt wear contacts for whatever, so whenever he was shooting a scene he couldn't really see much. That may be part of why he alwaysblooks so haggard.

[@richb313]

Amos is one of the most significant people in the entire series.

[@peadarruane6582]

Bobby’s scene is filmed in Scarborough on Lake Ontario

[@graze2963]

you confusing the Solarsystem with Galaxy maybe look up the difference 😂

[@Erithacus]

This show is sooo good that noticing it isn't repeating yourself, it's stating facts.

[@douglas2938]

There are a lot of things you brought up that we can't go too much into detail, but I agree with the assessment on Chrisjen, especially since her arc started off pointing out she's not a good person, but put her in a position where she could do some good if she chose to go down the rabbit hole.

[@SyrosAlex]

6:15 "This is canned, this is chicken" - you called it :)

[@smith22041]

I heard the reason we so easily forget things when walking thru doorways, your mind clears the mental RAM cause you've entered a new area and have to take stock of your new environment.