NES Tetris - FIRST EVER Pre-Transition 29 Maxout (World Record)

[@Bismuth9]

A tetris 4 lines up on 29, that's not a dirty tetris, that's a filthy tetris.

[@Otto910]

That is a 53% Tetris rate ON A 29 START. Absolutely incredible. In the not to distant future the earliest Max record will be achieved from a 29 start.

[@maxdragonsoul5553]

considering how fast rolling is changing the game and breaking records, i expect it to happen within a month

[@biggiemac42]

it happened today but fractal wasn't recording so we just have a screenshot

[@jrmaddu1]

@@biggiemac42 where did he upload the screenshot?

[@DuringDark]

Earliest as in RTA speedrunning maxout?

[@Robert_McGarry_Poems]

@@DuringDark number of lines (Used to be like 177)

[@mathwiz1007]

Imagine getting a maxout before “transition”… welcome to 2022 Tetris

[@Karol-mx5nl]

its like the game is redefinied, 10 years ago we had firsts maxouts on lvl 18 on video from harry hong, then we had more and more maxouts but lvl 29 was still kill screen. and right now we have maxout on lvl 29 starts, multimilion score world record. it`s amazing how the players improved

[@breandanvallance3107]

Maxout any% speedrun WR is now a thing. This is madness

[@michael2244]

There will be 2 types of kill screen players ones who just single and double trying to survive and the super elite players who play like normal and go for Tetrises

[@oisyn-]

Unless there's going to be a time limit, going for tetrisses is just an unnecessary risk.

[@durteedan7836]

@@oisyn- I mean when one misdrop could end up killing you anyway going for tetrises isn't that much riskier when you know how to manage your stack

[@Rubienlily]

eric preparing for tournament play after the line cap

[@shironium]

I haven't been following tetris for the past few years and I come back to this guy making the kill screen look like a joke, amazing... I saw a video about the new rolling technique but didn't expect it to be this effective

[@baggelissonic]

Bruh, he is just built different. He literally got the maxout from a dirty tetris and then he proceeded to clean all the garbage. Doing this is risky even for pre 29

[@ohno-wi1vb]

Yoooo that cleanup + dirty tetris was absolutely insane

[@ngc_man25]

B17200 topout at 225 lines.... That's bonkers, I can barely do that from an 18 start! Eric, you are truly a treasure. Congratulations on the earliest 29 maxout WR!

[@Phloxae1984]

insane that this is already a category, GG

[@Genjink]

Oh people are just maxing out from 29 starts now okay what the fuck I wouldve never imagined this happening within 20 years 4+ years ago

[@ZXMany]

Man, that control and how quickly you think is unbelievable! What's the glove for? Does it help reduce impact on the fingers or is it for something else?

[@EricICX]

the glove is for reducing friction between my fingers and the controller surface

[@ZXMany]

@@EricICX Ah, that makes sense, thanks so much! Seriously impressive stuff 🙏

@@EricICX could you use a glove made from a more slippery material? Or maybe sand the back of the controller to make it more slippery lol

[@Robert_McGarry_Poems]

@ Can't knowingly alter the controller, but wearing it down by rolling a lot......

[@GamerGee]

The glove is magic

[@marshvif]

ctwc this year is going to be absolutely fucking astonishing

[@loviawang2867]

The score pace is even better than level 18 or 19.Rediculous!

[@e11aguru]

Rolling makes tapping look like DAS.

[@oxey_]

Yeah it's crazy. 16hz was about as fast as you could go tapping while that's basically the bottom speed of what's possible now. Also keep in mind, rolling on 29 (>20hz) is the same relative speed as das on 19. That's really crazy to think about

[@maxdragonsoul5553]

roll 29 is slightly easier than das 19 in movement terms but decision making and mistake recovery is ridiculous here

[@ryanamburgy2791]

Ah yes my favorite Tetris player fractl

[@RMJ1984]

This is amazing, if only Jonas could see this!.

[@realbland]

you play better on 29 than i do on 18

And this is what koryan was up against

[@jazzthief81]

Congrats!

[@borthelcash6046]

I find I'm getting into a trance just watching this game.

[@benmullen295]

this is a significant improvement and just the bees knees.

[@FlyHec]

That's just pure madness!

[@maxdragonsoul5553]

damn i would love to see hector rolling

[@FlyHec]

@@maxdragonsoul5553 My thumb is fast enough (10Hz) for how badly I play. 😢

[@TylerDunphy]

Max before transition!!!

[@CrannBethadh]

At 186 lines he has 999,600 points - if you started on 19 and got only tetrises, you'd have that exact score at 164 lines! Also this sub 187 line max is within 12 lines of the all time earliest max. The earliest max will soon be from a 29 start, and eventually, won't even be beatable from a non-29 start. Mind blown.

[@EricICX]

it might already be. A bit after I posted this, fractal161 posted an unrecorded 151-line 29 maxout. Whether or not you choose to believe it because it's only a picture is up to you, but frankly my mind is kinda blown away that it might be possible

[@zero-py1co]

congrats!!!! holy shit

[@f1championyoutube2.09]

Wow. Just wow. I play with the same aggression, even less, on 19, this is a whole new galaxy

[@CrannBethadh]

That was close. Freaking amazing.

[@MylesTheGreat]

so FAST

[@Kadencabs]

i want to get good at tetris but i cant evne play without getting a shit ton of holes :(

[@Robert_McGarry_Poems]

Step one don't stack for tetris. Step two, fill holes first, see step one. Step three, let Tetris find you... See step two.

[@Kadencabs]

@@Robert_McGarry_Poems ive already improved alot surprisingly i dont have many holes unless rng screws with me

[@matwith2teas]

This has got to be the fastest maxout too, right? 5 minute maxout is crazy

[@daniilde6801]

*Watch him do the WR of earliest maxout on level 29 one day*

[@Arrica101]

Nice seeing some post 29 play that isn't just 500 single line clears

[@DB-YGO]

Mad lad gg

[@TylerDunphy]

GG

[@miweneia]

my fucking god i came at that 999600 tetris, perfect way to maxout

[@robintetris]

SHEEEEEEEESH

[@Dedicatedtolivinginthepast]

Great job with getting NES Tetris World Records just out of the blue!

[@wang10057]

it’s a product of hard work

[@Dedicatedtolivinginthepast]

@@wang10057 Yes I am very aware I also play NES Tetris sometimes for fays on end trying to get a new PB (Mine is a little over 600k) and coming up fruitless for my efforts and I can just barely play on 29 speeds so to see these records happen it just incredible!

[@Robert_McGarry_Poems]

👌 It's a spicy meatball! 👍

[@NOT_A_ROBOT]

pro

[@shurgars]

Sick beat.

[@creepermat]

What WR comes next? Congrats ✨🤙

[@xile_eldur4783]

Pog

[@qqwref2]

A wise man once said, level 29 is just level 19 but faster.

[@GamerGee]

Playing like it’s TGM now

[@IRNjuggle28]

Supermines is gonna lose earliest max record before long

[@thatlilweirdboi5369]

How do you think that fast? I only play modern tetris and when 9-0 stacking, I can only do 1.8 pps…

[@realxakep]

Напряжение на перделе!

[@lapislazuli4288]

He's too powerful

[@Robert_McGarry_Poems]

Ultra instinct Eric.

[@RedStone576]

what the hell dud

[@michael2244]

Can you play a 29 game but put in the code to go up a level every 10 lines?

[@FrayRS]

You can actually do one better you can start the game at level 29 (transitioning every 10 lines) with a 1.2m starting point so you can simulate your post-post play.

[@DevinDTV]

reading a lot of comments that i don't understand. someone explain what any of this means?

[@dihydrogen]

anything in particular?

[@Robert_McGarry_Poems]

Tap: one finger, maybe two. Roll: five fingers on one hand.👌 Hertz, a measure of frequency. Tap, upper limit 20hz. Roll, upper limit 30+hz. Lvl 29 speed 3x lvl 18 speed. On lvl 18, if no line clear animation and assuming a clear field, pieces take a whole second between lockdowns. 19 is double, 29 triple the number of pieces per second. 1/3 of a second to make game changing decisions, and execute. 29 requires a low end of 15-20hz and only goes up quickly. Hence the old name of kill screen because the speed was faster than DAS could even register. Above 4 lines it requires 20+hz rolling, or being AlexT. Most players playing on 29 are rolling,,, most, not all, most.

[@iStunForFunLOL]

You guys play 29 like how I play 19.

[@dillonfreed]

Good lord... what was your Tetris rate? Nuts... great job man also, what are you using to measure your hertz? thanks man

[@matonejacksee]

tetris gym patch

[@Otto910]

And the Tetris rate until the maxout was 53%

[@msaciek1234]

I'd call it post transition maxout but what do i know

[@_bisby]

Bruh Tetris just a rhythm game now ggs though

[@Matt-S-D]

In the CTWC scene it is required to start on level 18 at a certain point in competition I believe. At what point does that change to 19? Is it possible that it becomes more efficient starting on 19 to increase the value of tetris's while maintaining a high percentage?

[@tokenofdevotion]

It'll be lvl 19 start eventually. The way I think it is: Players now need to know how to play on lvl 18-19 and post killscreen. That's becoming good at 3 different lvl speeds which probably affects development drastically. If competition only required you to learn lvl 19 speed and killscreen speed then we probably would have players being even better at the game because they only need to know how to play on 2 speeds for competition

[@Robert_McGarry_Poems]

This conversation is ongoing. The truth is, 18 is hard to play when you are rolling. It becomes the separator that good competition needs. It either forces players to switch playing styles mid game, which some have mastered. Or, you make rollers play slowly and differently at that "slow" speed. At the top end however, if raw score is the only thing that matters and a line cap is introduced, it would be better to start on 19. But, there is still an argument to be made about score potential over raw score, like it was before when 29 was actually a kill screen. Then each speed would get roughly the same number of lines, ie: 18= 130 lines, 19= 100, 29= 70? Then the highest score wins. Stats and competition would benefit from a definite end of game. But watching this play is memorizing when done this well... Conclusion 🤷🤷🤷

[@WellAnimated]

What do you meaaaaaaaaaan?

[@daniilde6801]

*Erick please do 29-5*

[@blek_5463]

It's a song

[@Alvin_Vivian]

Eric plays Level 29 better than DAS players play Level 19.

[@maxdragonsoul5553]

don't diss my bois tristop and tugi

[@matonejacksee]

TRT?

[@lucasimonelli5038]

Kind of a bummer how this game evolved from being game sense driven and the one with the greatest knowledge of piece placements, height managment, drought Management and so forth, to who has the best mechanics wins. I will always prefer the DAS meta for that reason. While rolling and hypertapping require a lot of mechanical skill, it takes away from the strategy aspect of the game.

[@lilysowden4035]

You are massively underestimating how good these guys are at stacking. I can roll at 25Hz pretty consistently but my PB is 650k because I can't think fast enough and my stacking is garbage. To reduce their skill to just the mechanics is incredibly naive.

[@lucasimonelli5038]

@@lilysowden4035 my wording wasnt that great i suppose. Not saying rolling doesnt take any stacking skills whatsoever, it just feels like the strategy is sacrificed for the ability to get the pieces over. Nothing wrong with that playstyle. Just not the NES tetris ive come to love.

[@gairisiuil]

@@lucasimonelli5038 you pretty much have to be just as good at stacking, if not better, to play at level 29. it looks visually like they mess up more, but they are playing at literally 2-3x the speed of old players. this video is of a player trying to optizime the tetris rate and dealing with the same stuff old players did - just faster.

[@lucasimonelli5038]

@@gairisiuil well i shouldve been more clear in what i actually mean. I just think that rolling makes competetive tetris from lvl 18-28 completely uninteresting to watch, because its so much easier that mistakes happen pretty rarely in those levels. Lvl 19 DAS matches were so intense back then. It wasnt and isnt my intention to downplay the skills of players who use rolling. I just dont find it interesting to watch.

[@gairisiuil]

@@lucasimonelli5038 playing will probably never actually reach how clean it was when 18/19 speeds were the meta, and stuff like adjustments will probably never be seen again either. as a player, not a spectator, i do prefer playing DAS, but right now i respect the rolling meta for its technical advancements

[@Genjink]

Oh people are just maxing out from 29 starts now okay what the fuck I wouldve never imagined this happening within 20 years 4+ years ago

[@alllmas]

That was nice! How many attempts did you make before?

[@Alvin_Vivian]

Backhanded compliment

[@Phroggster]

@@Alvin_Vivian I see it originating more from curiosity than anything else, which makes me curious, too. No one plays like this without significant experience, and I don't believe that attempting to quantify said experience reduces the magnitude of the accomplishment.

[@Alvin_Vivian]

@@Phroggster Who cares how many attempts it took? Would you ask someone how many shots they took if they posted a photogenic selfie on social media?

[@Phroggster]

@@Alvin_Vivian No, I personally wouldn't, because I have zero concern for what the majority of people look like on social media. I'm also aware of how such a question could be (mis)interpreted, but am willing to give the benefit of the doubt that it originated more from curiosity than from intentional denigration. Then again, my marks on the gaming leaderboards (outside of the Tetris community, mind you) all have attempt counts visible in LiveSplit, so maybe I'm just not vain enough to concern myself with such things. And I believe that Almas cares, at least enough to casually express interest in it.

[@gloriousleader406]

@@Alvin_Vivian he asked a simple question.