Netflix Mocks Season 1 Timelines | The Witcher S2E4

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[@matthewogden2747]

After hearing the dockman in so many videogames (Dragon Age: Inquisition, Total War: Warhammer II, Witcher 3 etc.) It's actually really nice to finally put a face to the voice!

[@nayeemhaque1064]

Gotta say the man matches the voice 😊

[@Adam-lj6yj]

Yeah that’s blackwall

[@ubc.student]

He was in warhammer 2???

[@Ub1erm]

@@ubc.student ye hes Ungrim Ironfist the Slayer king

[@keeganbate8935]

HOLY FUCK. Didn't even catch that he's a voice in witcher 3. I love that they cast him although his performance was great too

[@baxland2539]

The funniest shit is that they wrote entire song - the one that Jaskier hums part of here - that describes the events of Episode 6 of season 1, the dragonhut. It's not in the show except those 2 lines but there is full version in the soundtrack

[@Kasiarzynka]

And it's goddamn good, like I've got a playlist on Spotify with just the three Jaskier songs for m S2 (Burn Butcher Burn, The Golden One and Wh*reson Prison Blues).

[@kirbs0001]

And the song doesn't even have a 4th verse!

[@R__creator]

While the song slaps, it does in hindsight make the comments from the guard make less sense, no timelines, 4th verse or magic kiss, though maybe in universe the song is way longer and encapsulates the entirity of s1. Idk

[@PeacePham1991]

What is the name of that song? TIA

[@Kasiarzynka]

@@PeacePham1991 The Golden One by Joey Batey (I mean pretty sure it was written by someone else but he performs it so you can find it under his name) :)

[@Wsam14]

The big man is the same one from the witcher 3 .. he voiced the peasants and cleaver 🐺❤️❤️

[@Mr-Rinn]

And Blackwall in Dragon Age: Inquisition.

[@Christian_Bagger]

That’s a god damn awesome fact! Brilliant!

[@lobal2]

Yeah, i scrambled to look him up. Recognized his voice right off.

[@VonArmagedda]

I thought he sounded oddly familiar, this explains why.

[@butterandjamtoast]

I knew I recognized the voice

[@alexht.9382]

I didn't expect Jaskier to be THE most favorite out of all characters lol

[@parsaranjbar9934]

i did he's a legend

[@Agus-fw7dl]

He's my favorite

[@sangralknight3031]

He ... Is ... A ... B A R D! His entire existence is the making of others love him, he is literally a professional at causing people to become enamored with him for a variety of reasons. how did you NOT expect him to make you like him?

[@amsd1231]

He is the favorite character from the books, games, and the show for many people.

[@tim0735]

literally the best part of the show. season 2 was so bad

[@nayeemhaque1064]

Although I didn’t hate the timelines routes they went with in season one, wasn’t madly in love with it either. Though I have to say it was a fun to stitch everything together like a puzzle slowly coming together

[@steinschwarz4674]

i do kinda agree with you that is it wasn't the best, but i think if they went the generic route of filming it, than it would be kinda boring because it would be kinda slow. I did really enjoy seeing it al come together too. But what do i know i am just a random guy on the internet

[@bigmac9488]

It's definitely a 'love it or hate it' narrative choice - personally though, I loved the risk they took with it and how they revealed the separate timelines through the world and dialogue. It also gave series 1 a lot more re-watch value, because it made me want to go back and see the hints dropped along the way.

[@sauce6746]

I think it was perfect wouldnt want it any other way

[@n1k32h]

I was the 300 like

[@Springheel01]

I took that scene as mocking themselves, not the fans. The guard proceeds to beat the crap out of Jaskier, after all. I thought it was a clever way to acknowledge the criticism of season 1.

[@kahodof2997]

@No One y

[@masterofsorrow2699]

We can never know. Jaskier starts saying dumb shit like "if you could do it, you'd do better, but you can't so shut up" - which is basically a big 'fuck you' to the fans. Like 'I'm the author, I can do whatever I want, and you have no right to criticise me". That's really more like it.

[@impera8776]

@@masterofsorrow2699 huh, good spot. Didn’t notice that. But you could also take it another lvl deeper, and point out that Jaskier’s anger and berating the guard from his friendly demeanour and well-meaning criticism is portrayed as unreasonable and is currently hindering his progress/setting him back.

[@masterofsorrow2699]

@@impera8776 do the writers really seem that genius to you? Jaskier is a hero, a good guy. A random ugly rude dude at the ship is definitely more like a negative figure. He is the antagonist, while Jaskier the protagonist. Jaskier is the good guy we're supposed to be rooting for, who says 'fuck you' straight to the face of the unhappy consumers.

[@randomcallum]

I thought it was unnecessary to address that in the actual show completely breaks Emerson

[@zekstrskis]

I love how well they wrote Jaskier. Of course the bard uses the most unnecessarily eloquent language in everyday speech.

[@charlienewcombe8288]

Jaskier’s smile slowly fading as the dockman goes on is just priceless, then how he’s just y’know what fuck it, brilliant

[@mickymcbryan4814]

I almost thought the joke would be that the old guy learned the songs as a young man and wouldn’t believe someone as young looking and jaskier could have written them. Call it a joke on how jaskier never ages over their adventures

[@ktdvkn]

When I watched this I kinda did a double take at the fourth wall break reference. I was like ‘Wait, that’s literally just the fan’s critiques of season 1 isn’t it’.

[@FireGods_68]

Its cause he says it took him till the 4th verse to understand the timelines, cause episode 4 of Season 1 is the episode with the banquet in Cintra showing that Geralt and Jaskier was not yet in the same timeline.

[@Tyler_W]

Having rewatched season 1 before season 2, while I think they could've made certain things a bit clearer, I'm not sure how they could've done it any different if they wanted the three main characters to be involved from the start. If everything was just shown in purely chronological order, we wouldn't have gotten Ciri for a long time, and we would've lacked Geralt or Yennifer subplots for the last third or quarter of the season. We needed to experience things more or less the way we did so we could spend time with all of the important characters and so we could be better informed on why Geralt and Yennifer arrived at the spots they're in during the present day. It was really well done all things considered.

[@davidhutch307]

All they had to do was put a damn label on the screen telling us they switched timelines lol. Or if they didn't want to be so blunt they could've found any number of subtle ways to do it.

[@Patrix8558]

"we wouldnt have gotten Ciri for a long time" getting her in S2 is really, such a loooong time. and why would it matter anyway, when her story was not yet ready to be told? people who did not know her would not miss her and people who knew her would know that she come into the story next season. So where's the problem? there is none. we would get a good stories instead and nobody would even notice or care. and if they did not want to stick with the show book by book, Ciri could appear at the end episodes of S1. That is hardly "a long time" or "very late" or anything like that.

[@RPGPINAS]

that guard actor is in witcher 3 games he voice so many npc there including the dwarf in novigrad

[@thephantomseb]

That was genius, I love the self-consciousness of season 2. The season is quite different compared to the books, but it's soo good.

[@JanKowalski-th5re]

But s02e08 is so bad it's unbelievable.

[@mygetawayart]

@@JanKowalski-th5re strange cause i could watch it just fine

[@JanKowalski-th5re]

@@mygetawayart well, everything can be entertaining when the viewers turn off their brains. What's up with traveling in the show ? Kaer Morhen is this secluded place, far away in the mountains and suddenly cintra is just around the corner? How did rience know how to teleport into Kaer Morhen? Exactly in the room with ciri's blood vial? Perfect timing btw. How does he know that the vial is important? Why are so many characters possessed by demons/dreams/visions ? They don't have their own motivations.

[@MultitudeOfChaos]

@@JanKowalski-th5re lol i love how you are insulting someone’s intelligence for liking an episode that you clearly failed to understand, hence the dislike. “I don’t understand so it’s shit and anyone else who dares like it is shit too”..... These questions you are asking are obviously left unanswered, There’s multiple instances in which the “firefucker” knows exactly where Ciri has been, for example the hut she stayed in right before meeting Geralt. If you paid attention you’d notice that Ciri herself addresses the issue after noticing the burnt(so it was obviously the firefucker) bodies of the hosts that had welcomed her in the former season(she tells Yennefer that no one except for Geralt knew she had been there). Both his and Lydia’s character seem to know too much about her and it’s purposely left unanswered ‘cause that’s how series usually work. You can’t get all the answers this season because they barely introduced the characters, otherwise there’d be no 3rd season. In conclusion, maybe “turn on” your brain the next time you watch a show😉.

[@MultitudeOfChaos]

@@JanKowalski-th5re also every “possession” that occurs in the story follows a storyline so I don’t understand why you are asking this unless you failed to pay attention again

[@BarryOkanagan]

The different timelines is a very fun element of season one, force you to really pay attention to the dialogue. Also I like Jaskier a lot more than I ever did Dandelion in the game, but that may be a controversial opinion.

[@TheQueenOfStupidity]

It was a really fun inside joke but… I never understood why the timeline confused people, I thought it was amazing ❤️

[@carlymx6326]

I thought on first viewing its a bit confusing but then by episode 3 or 4 (for me) you get it, and its quite enjoyable after that. Althoufh i did need a second viewing to make sense of it all. Once i see whats happening i actually like the technique but apparently its not a favourite of the people in general so

[@Blackfatrat]

Did you read the books or play the games before viewing the show? I thougth it was quite confusing for the first 2-3 episodes because they explain so little yet throw a lot at you. I had zero experiance with the withcer before the show, so it was quite confusing.

[@Lana.a_]

You really don’t understand why the timeline confused people? Have you read the books/ played the game

[@juliamore-no]

I agree, I knew nothing about the Witcher going into it, but I wasn't particularly confused. I think you just have to accept that you might not understand all the stuff initially and that it will be clarified as time passes.

[@mfg0d]

yeah there’s just no way you understood the timelines the first time watching season 1, sorry. doesn’t mean it wasn’t good though.

[@samtate2011]

The dock master is the voice of Cleaver in The Witcher 3 Wild Hunt :)

[@jonohi116]

Also the voice of Blackwall from DAI

[@LucifersAngel-mu4mw]

The timeline thing they did is a legitimate and lauded technique but unfortunately it IS somewhat hit and miss. I'm among those that despise it in pretty much every media I see it in. I get WHY they did it but no I did not enjoy it. I won't call it bad writing, just a very...risky choice. I found S02 much easier to follow and I enjoyed it more as a result.

[@kualarompin589]

I agree. Because it was done in many other series. It took me awhile to follow the story, and I ending up questioning when a scene happened, is it before, during or after, especially with Gerald's story. And most of Gerald's stories were fillers to me, like dragon hunting etc.. The second season is much better. All the quests are reasonable enough even they still somewhat feel like a filler because the story goes forward.

[@NephiylusBaphson]

I liked it because I'm the kind of person that likes to solve that sort of puzzles and rewatchability is a big yes for me. I think my videogame tastes sum it up quite well, I much rather 100% every Assassin's Creed (up until Syndicate) in every save file than spending the same hours perfecting my technique in a straight forward Call of Duty. I love understanding a story, even more if it's complicated, and completing all the side objectives and missions is satisfying af. The Witcher S1 really scratched that itch for me, the "filler" stuff for me feels like side missions that help the character development. It's a matter of different tastes and I can complete see why people don't like it

[@wayothefro3249]

Yeah, the idea of the split timelines could've been great but the execution just was not there, especially for book fans who knew what we were missing out on because of the split timeline.

[@angelo423]

@@NephiylusBaphson assasins creed is such a shit example for this.

[@angelo423]

​@@NephiylusBaphson Those where not fillers it's literally geralt's story, his story with jaskier, yenneffer, the elves, all this is important because it's part of the overarching narrative. The dragon part for example, is used to develop Yen & Geralts relationship, since Yen wanted the egg in order to be fertile again. Stop crying online and pay attention.

[@InsecureCreator]

Choosing a character who's known to be arrogant and get defensive quickly to be the one to respond to the criticism of your writing in a bad and petty way is a layer to this moment a lot of people don't seem to have noticed. The writers aren't just responding "do it yourself" that's something Jaskier would say.

[@Fuckutube547465]

the fuck are u on about?

[@InsecureCreator]

@@Fuckutube547465 People seem to be offended because they think this scene is just the writers telling them that if they didn't like something about the show they should do it themselves, I think they're missing the point.

[@gallowglass3764]

All of that aside... Jaskier is a petty child, now... I tolerated Jaskier until this scene. I mean, he is trying to smuggle a bunch of REFUGEES onto a ship, right? The MAIN REASON for him being at the docks. That dock worker ends up criticizing his songs and Jask (forgetting that the man he's about to blow up on is the man that could jeopardize his attempt to SAVE THE REFUGEES) goes into this tirade, INSULTING the foreman and whining about man's criticism. Which ends up getting one of the elves killed!

[@Patrix8558]

@@InsecureCreator but it is just writers telling people to do it themselves. and if they give me same budget they recieved, I very well will.

[@shojin6945]

I love season 2. Higher production value and scenes that makes me go to the edge of my seat. Yeah, it's different from the books. But it's unique.

[@mvick4198]

You like bad writing? Good to know

[@Ethozel]

@@mvick4198 fr, all a bunch of shallow easily entertained people who actually think this shitshow was enjoyable.

[@aidenrafferty7825]

@@Ethozel Are your criticisms mainly due to deviations from the source material?

[@reduxforerunner6664]

@@Ethozel ive seen more people enjoy it than dislike it. Why do you think its so shit

[@NutjobChuck]

@@reduxforerunner6664 Half the lines of dialogue from any given character can be plucked right out of hundreds of mediocre, drivel cable dramas. The characters and their motivations, apart from Geralt and Ciri, don’t line up with anything from the previous season or even some of what season 2 wants you to believe about them. For example, season one clearly establishes Yennefer as a vain, ruthless, clever, and narcissistic character. In Season 2 she’s gullible enough to be tricked by Voleth Meir, she is somehow selfless enough to care about sparing the life of a soldier when she had literally just murdered thousands of his men, and the only significant arc she has in the season begins 2/3 of the way in when she finds Geralt. Vesemir and Triss are also portrayed as a caring grandfather and a mentoring sister alike, and yet they are irresponsible enough to let Ciri try to take the Witcher serum knowing that she is almost guaranteed to die? Come on, man, these writers weren’t able to weave an effective story together, so they ended up resorting to manifesting drama out of thin air. Good dialogue usually requires good context, it must be earned. For example, there was so much time spent on various characters mourning for Eskel. The problem is, he was barely in one episode, and he didn’t come off as very endearing, so his death doesn’t have anywhere near the impact on viewers as it’s screen time suggests. That’s a disconnect and it makes Geralt and Vesemir’s conversation about wanting to do more and being sorry for the loss, it just feels meaningless. This sort of meaningless interaction is in almost half of the scenes in the show. Contrast this with season 1 where we see Yennefer in a household that loathes her and sells her off for next to nothing, setting up her yearning for acceptance and beauty. Magic grants her these things and Tissaia comforts Yennefer by relating with her. Every conversation between Tissaia and Yennefer in that season is meaningful because we know why they feel the way they feel, and why Yennefer treats Tissaia with the authority, respect, and love that she withholds not even for kings. Season 2 just doesn’t bother setting anything up, it just cuts to the chase. It feels unearned, and the overarching story isn’t even very interesting, so I don’t know why they did it. Most people who liked this season weren’t paying attention and were likely wowed by the amazing visuals, but visuals is all this season had. By the way, the training course for the Witchers is laughable. Not for one second do I think that these prestigious warriors train on an American Ninja Warrior obstacle course. Most of their training would probably be reading about monsters and how to defeat them, and then sparring with each other. And I have not read the books either, and I am not very far into the video game, so I am relatively new to The Witcher.

[@bamba5080]

I actually felt like they're mocking us in a way, like they're saying I don't think you've done a better job with the source material, as dandelion is them and the fat guard is us

[@Zach-jk2gb]

That's exactly what it is, I absolutely hated this scene and it's a huge slap in the face to anyone that criticised the show in S1, Jaskier even proceeds to state "why don't you write your own" and then gives some insults haha such a shame

[@bamba5080]

@@Zach-jk2gb i have bo problem with their version of the Witcher i just wish they would stop calling at an adaption of BoE cause it's definitely isn't one

[@crazydino4541]

Well it’s kinda true. They had to make it. I find it quite funny

[@alexnik2383]

Think the showrunner commented on how it was meant to be poking fun at themselves as jaskier gets defensive

[@Vashurz]

I don’t think that’s how it came off at all. Jaskier is kind of arrogant, so of course he’ll defend it.

[@Tobo226]

I instantly knew they were talking about season one this was genius!!

[@LaughingOwlKiller]

I really don't see how people did not get the timelines were different from the begginging...it was in the dialogue of the first episode. We are introduced to Queen Calenthe....a woman in her late 40s who has obviously been ruling for a while and Ciri mentions her victory when she was a teen. Then no more than a few minutes later Renfri mentions to Geralt that PRINCESS Calanthe just won her first battle. Right there was them saying these were different timeline.

[@jonasferrao]

the reason i had trouble was due to the names it takes me a while to assign names to faces the timeline was def confusing for the majority of people

[@adreak9868]

Because you can't tell how much time in the past or in the future they are. Between the first scene with Yennefer and the scene where she's escorting the queen in the carriage there's ~80 year gap but we are still in the past, between the first episode and the present there's ~30 year gap, between first episode and the one where he meets Jaskier there is an unknown amount of time that passes and then they are supposed to be meeting on and off screen for the remainder of the 30 years between their initial meeting and the present, except Jaskier isn't chaning in appearance at all and looks the fucking same. It is confusing, even for people who read the books. Also, princess Calanthe and queen Calanthe is a bad way of trying to convey we are in the past because in royal families it is common that the child has the same name as the parent (for example, Foltest's sister is named Adda and Foltest's daughter is also named Adda).

[@MatiZ815]

I loved the timelines. It was fun putting them together, however, they should've done a better job with make up. Jaskier looks the same across a decade.

[@janbo8331]

Was I the only person in the universe who actually really liked the obfuscation of the timeline in season 1? I like it when I have to focus and try to figure out the chaos of an unknown world. Season 2 was way more linear, and for me, boring.

[@carl9966]

It really was only confusing for like 1-2 episodes then it was whatever

[@giovannibonfiglio9243]

Media literacy is on the decline and most people need a clear linear story in order to enjoy things.

[@janbo8331]

@@giovannibonfiglio9243 That's true unfortunately. It's just a negative feedback loop I'm afraid. The dumber the content, the dumber the viewers (in the long run).

[@elzzz2000]

@@giovannibonfiglio9243 I personally think that there's been a trend recently of very convoluted narrative structures in a bid to be 'unique' that can be effective but often aren't If you have a good story, well told, you don't need the gimmicks to add mystery and interest As I said, unique story structures can be done extremely well Donnie Darko, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind and Pulp Fiction are great examples But I've seen it become more and more common and not as well done each time The Witcher in my opinion was a show that just didn't execute it very well

[@santi_super_stunts2573]

No it was dumb af. Turned away anyone who didn’t already know witcher lore.

[@CamJ95]

I just hope they don’t overuse Jaskier like they did with Bronn in GoT.

[@wafflingmean4477]

Jaskir has a weird place in the books. It's like he's underused and overused at the same time. He constantly tags along and does *nothing* besides provide a little comic relief. I always wanted more from the character and felt like he only did anything significant in Toussaint. He's much better in the short stories though.

[@CrispyChristieMAC]

Yeah, Dandelion is a pretty big part of the story (much bigger than Bronn), he's for lack of a better reference like Sam in LOTR (much smaller role, but same supporting character to the main protagonist) The only major problem here is that they've made him into a saint. In the books, he's a narcist that really only lifts a finger to whore, cheat, gamble, sing and maybe, sometimes, help his closest friends. He starts to become more dependable and develops better values later in the books.

[@elck3]

Am i the only one who actually loved the timelines in season 1? It elevated the show and gave it such a grand scope, the linear storyline of season 2 is a huge let down imo

[@GundamReviver]

Pretymuch, yeah. It was sloppily executed and not needed for the story they wanted to tell. And season 2 isn't bad because of liniarity, its just bad because the show writer is shit :') (and was about 15% accurate to the story as the book tells it lol)

[@SaberRexZealot]

It was a nice idea but it was executed terribly. There’s no indication from the beginning that that’s what they were doing. Dunkirk does the same thing and it works FAR better because the story was designed around that structure - the Witcher books clearly weren’t. The first two novels hopped around a bunch because they were short story compilations with loose continuity connected by Geralt. If they had done that instead of awkwardly shoving Ciri and Yennefer in so soon it probably would’ve been a lot more effective.

[@santi_super_stunts2573]

Yes it sucked. Only enjoyed the season once my friend explained its different times.

[@noobmasteryoyo5136]

@@SaberRexZealot there were a couple of hints in the first two episodes through dialogue, a clear tell through King Foltest vs kid Foltest in the third, and if by the fourth episode you still can't tell the different timelines then you are either dense or not paying attention.

[@MarvinTolfo]

enjoyed it too. unfortunately, they anticipated that the audience is smart enough to figure it out, turns out some needed some spoonfeeding

[@gross_mtdoomxiii706]

I liked it, it made it super rewatchable piecing it together having not read the books or had a go at the games sadly

[@whydontyouhandledeez]

Honestly the timelines didn't bother me as much as the fact as we have no idea where anything is happening. I think we have seen like one map and don't even get a good look at it when the entire first season is about warring nations and shifting borders. Would it kill them to throw in a 30 second scene every other episode of Geralt going over his trusty map? Although now that I think about it they also decided to give Ciri bubblegum pink lipstick while she was hiding in the middle of a forest instead of waiting 15 minutes for the bath and clothes changing scene, so it's not like the writers/director are particularly good with the practical stuff.

[@ChrisTay229]

That felt like S2s biggest issue. They'd be rescuing dandelion then suddenly they're in the mountains, or investigating the spire in the field (that nobody noticed was destroyed and was apparently a shock), then *suprise*, Yennifer was there

[@k4badayi]

"map" has always been the biggest problem of witcher books

[@Scamspam]

The title of this video is a bit misleading. It's more so Netflix / The Witcher writers who're mocking the audience that complained about the season 1 timelines.

[@Excalibur01]

That's what I got from it. I felt attacked.

[@konstantine4817]

I think they are mocking both us and them.

[@mataskart9894]

@@Excalibur01 and I loved it lmao.

[@dav9104]

This season is plagued with Game of Thrones levels of travel times.

[@finchcarvingadiamond]

This scene completely flew over my head the first time I saw this. I was just pissed at jaskier for almost ruining the lives of these elves. But now it's one of my favorite scenes AND I'm pissed at jaskier for almost ruining the lives of those elves.

[@nevadaaguilar2062]

If anything, I think it’s hilarious that Jaskier can’t seem to cope with criticism. He was able to handle negative reception with more dignity when he was first introduced in season 1, but fame seems to have inflated his ego a bit. I mean, the guard was clearly a fan of his. But the very instant he said anything less than positive, you could tell Jaskier was going to lose it.

[@kgapaneseschoolgirlb]

@@nevadaaguilar2062 It’s supposed to represent the fans criticism of the show. Jaskier represents the writers in this scenario.

[@negan9055]

The show is far from perfect, in my eyes just barely rises above decent, but damn do I love Jaskier! It was very in character to lash out at this man, even if it felt a bit petty on the writers part. As if they were telling off the people that criticized their decisions in the first season.

[@spartan1879]

Do you think it was in character for him to put the lives of all those people he was smuggling out at risk for his own ego?

[@negan9055]

@@spartan1879 definitely, he’s impulsive and selfish. It’s his character. He let his emotions get her better of him and knew what was about to happen, but a part of him knew he’d figure something else out.

[@briandavion]

@@spartan1879it's Dandilion, ABSOLUTELY yes.

[@negan9055]

@nathan smith ok pal

[@negan9055]

@nathan smith did you not pay attention the entire show? His entire character is being selfish, but behind that facade deep down he cares. He’s a maniacal, self centered jackass, but when things get serious he’s a great friend. I mean come on, he has no shame stealing Geralts Jinn and taking all wishes for himself, he constantly put Geralt down whenever he was already struggling (in the beginning) he’s an over the top womanizer with no regard for their feelings just their bodies. He hides his pain behind this rockstar persona, and it wasn’t until season 2 we really saw it crack. But evidently his pride was still very much intact, as most artists are the same.

[@stephwiller9089]

Maybe it's because I read the books, but I never had a hard time following the time jumps in season 1. I feel like they did a good job always giving hints either through decor or conversations to show the order of events. Regardless, this was a hilarious moment.

[@WildcardASMR]

This is actually the best scene from the show for me, for some reason, and I haven’t even pitched in the time to watch the whole damn new season…

[@gallowglass3764]

I tolerated Jaskier until this scene. I mean, he is trying to smuggle a bunch of REFUGEES onto a ship, right? The MAIN REASON for him being at the docks. That dock worker ends up criticizing his songs and Jask (forgetting that the man he's about to blow up on is the man that could jeopardize his attempt to SAVE THE REFUGEES) goes into this tirade, INSULTING the foreman and whining about man's criticism. Which ends up getting one of the elves killed!

[@Blowurmind63]

haha first time i watched this i did not realise he was talking about season 1 stuff the witcher really is one of those shows you have to pay 100% attention to everything i guess

[@rebeccamount50]

"Am I gonna say it? Yeah, I'm gonna say it." My thoughts right before I say something that gets me in trouble.

[@ir6734]

The timelines was not a problem, the lack of clarity on when something is happening was the problem

[@DutchKirby]

I've never seen writers show such blatant contempt for their fanbase as in this scene

[@KayonLeague]

to me it feels like a self insert from the writers into jaskier being a little baby and calling us stupid not them mocking themselves but whatever

[@gallowglass3764]

Thank you!!!

[@yoursexualizedgrandparents6929]

I love this scene.

[@lygun5581]

"It took me to the fourth verse to understand there were different timelines" Lol he said this because it was in episode 4 that they made it clear that there were different timelines.

[@bruva207]

HEY they hired THAT voice actor that's in every vaguely medieval fantasy game in existence...

[@BKInbound]

Jaskier casts a 5th level viscious mockery

[@ehrenmann2891]

Such a good fourth wall break

[@rowdeemunkee]

Gotta love show runners that listen to feedback

[@MrImastinker]

If only they'd listen a little more and stop needlessly changing things. (Character arcs, leaving out important lore / adding random crap, killing off characters that were supposed to survive the story, etc.)

[@adreak9868]

Gotta love showrunners that make fun of the people watching their shit.

[@rowdeemunkee]

@@MrImastinker if you want a carbon copy of the books go read them. They've actively tried to make the show feel more like witcher this season and have made it clear from the start they arnt following books completely.

[@rowdeemunkee]

@@adreak9868 this response is completely in character for dandelion, being over the top defensive and ruining the plan. Them bringing it up at all is acknowledgment that season one had issues.

[@akrammaad7609]

This is like a ....a breaking of the 3rd and half wall? because it's not exactly a breaking the fourth wall scene. Very interesting

[@deeznutz3617]

Was thinking today about this. I think maybe if Geralt had an outfit for each era, it wouldve been cool. Then we realize at the same time that Geralt is close to Ciri

[@VegetaLF7]

Yeah, that would have been sick. Maybe show his armor taking more damage as the timeline continues, or just flat out have a different one.

[@quasi8180]

The golden one is one of my favorites

[@quasi8180]

I love this scene

[@sorenmiller5355]

After Beau DeMayo's comments, this hasn't aged well.

[@honkzabey5600]

The different timelines were *THE* thing in s1, really miss it

[@zealous4665]

"Think you can out ride me on a 'orse?"

[@youngmanlogan5812]

20 years passes but no one ages. That's gonna be confusing buddy. I understand Geralt and yennefer not aging but what about jaskier?

[@darthnowlan]

Aging gracefully.

[@oldladywinchester]

They're not making fun of the timelines, they're making fun of the fans

[@joshuawesten8300]

1:04 I think they're mad at us for all of our complaining about how complicated it was and his response was directed at the fan base 🥺

[@Fincha12]

Obv it was and as such it is hilarious

[@marcswanson]

The Porthand kind of sounds like phillip strenger

[@enderdude1932]

I laughed so hard at this scene

[@maxmustermann369]

hmm i wonder how they gonna mock valid critique next season than, after what a shit show this season was...

[@TerraUmbraVampWriter]

It’s like the writers were acknowledging and clapping back on all the criticism. So funny and clever

[@winniewinner4545]

Ah, the "mAkE a BeTtEr OnE!1!1!" response, classic!

[@orla0colette0cullen1]

i knew warden blackwall was a big music buff

[@azgonath1937]

Is this the voice of the Bloody Baron?

[@godemperorofmankind3.091]

game of thrones: FOR THE NORTH! Witcher: Fuck the North!

[@choibandrangx]

The guard sounds like a character in Witcher 3

[@archiev1976]

he's also Blackwall in Dragon Age Inquisition

[@mataskart9894]

The same guy voiced Cleaver in The Witcher 3

[@jordanfleming1594]

This felt more like the writers mocking the fans for pointing out problems with season 1

[@camper1907kerem]

Since watching this scene i kept thinking. Did they seriously cast Dijkstra's voice actor from the game, to play a dock guard or is it just my imagination....

[@JnEricsonx]

Well, he does play Dracula on Castlevania.

[@camper1907kerem]

@@JnEricsonx As it turns out he gave voice to the Clever.

[@rinokumura7371]

The same voice as the witcher 3 half of the male characters and blackwall.

[@jasv49]

I suppose this is what you do when you can't handle criticism

[@HumanTypewriter]

I love this digg the writers did at their critics. This must have felt so good to write

[@TomDestry]

Yep, insulting the fans is always a class move. /s

[@kanej8706]

Next season 3 is gonna mock 2 for retconning the best plot lines of the source material

[@wolfganghendery8298]

It was annoying. I accidentally missed episode 5, but I couldn't tell because I thought they were trying to be clever with their timeline, so I watched the next episode feeling just as confused as I had in the previous ones.

[@subutaynoyan5372]

Imagine being so full of youself, you can't even accept the critics about your writing. And making a whole scene ranting and looking down upon your viewers

[@Laszer271]

I felt bad for that old elf that got beaten and probably also killed or worse to save the rest of them. That might not have happened if not for Jaskier's outburst. I expected Jaskier to be at least a little sorry that he fucked this up for that old man but it seemed like his short temper leading to someone dying doesn't bother him at all. Jaskier had also other moments where he is a witness to some horrible shit but isn't bothered at all, seems like they wanted him to completely lack empathy which makes him much less relatable. I Don't understand that decision with that charecter.

[@romantra1311]

1:36 I hate it when characters are written to do this…just walk away. Such unnecessary conflict

[@xrphoenix7194]

It's jaskiers fault that elf is dead and no one cares?

[@thenovicewhispers]

"Geralt or geriatric or whatever the f*** your name is"

[@pieceofgosa]

It's not the timelines getting mocked. It's the "fan" who is trying to tell a professional bard how to write a song that is getting mocked. The writers didn't want to just come out & say that a decent percentage of the fanbase must be slow in the head to miss the blindingly obvious hints toward the timelines, so they just had Jaskier do it in the show instead.

[@Seanboom]

Yeah, it’s basically the writers saying “nooooo you guys can’t get mad at us, you don’t know what’s good storytelling >:(“ They’re just up their own asses imo.

[@pieceofgosa]

@@Seanboom Cheers for proving my point.

[@aheadatime]

@@pieceofgosa There were hints regarding the timelines, and yes, the ability to pick up and digest those hints is dependent upon one's intelligence, attention span, interest levels, and external factors like the set and setting of their viewing experience. This of course misses the point entirely; the show is made for the fans, not for the showrunner. If your audience doesn't like to think too hard about the timeline, then the timeline choice is wrong. If your audience doesn't like the exaggerated focus on feminism, then that choice is wrong. If your audience doesn't like your re-imagined version of a character who would make choices outside of the realm of the original character's reason, then that choice is wrong. It's not wrong to have an imagination and want to rewrite stories you read or movies you see, that's just a creative hunger. Totally natural. What's wrong is messing up a piece of art for a large audience on a budgeted show that relies on viewer approval to secure the funding to keep the show on. It's a mixture of keeping the market in mind (supply/demand), and being courteous towards 'shared art'. Making clumsy or over-personalized decisions with 'shared art' on a budget like this and quipping that the millions of people who didn't like it are just too stupid is arrogant, selfish, and childish.

[@thayspamacheno628]

@@aheadatime waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah the show is made for the audience waaaaaaaaaah waaaaah

[@Alan-wj5zc]

It's netflix, people tune in and out of shows while it runs in the background. It's more so their fault. Though timeline stuff is rarely done well. I think it worked for the witcher season 1, but eh. They could have aged down the actors a bit more for those scenes to scenes that happen nearly a decade apart.

[@janbo8331]

I hate it but you're absolutely right. Most people's attention spans have shrinked to mere minutes and the rest of us have to put up with what follows. Dumbed down movies/series and songs that only play a chorus on repeat.

[@usgpillarofark3980]

They are overdoing Jaskier...He's a idiot in all his scenes...Sure that aspect of him is present in the books and games but he is a smart and brave guy. Every characters are different and/or wasted...

[@TheHonoredMadman]

Is that cleaver from witcher 3?? Also I thought this whole bit was kinda crang, Lauren is quite literally saying you could write your own witcher series if you weren't so stupid, basically in response to all the criticism she's gotten. I didn't love this season I thought the first season was better even with its problems. This season kinda passed me off. They write yennefer horribly despite having casted a great actress. Once again the season is carried by Henry cavill although I can't imagine he isn't frustrated with these storylines atleast a little bit

[@jonahreviv]

Here waiting for season 3 to mock the storytelling and characters

[@guts5663]

Love this I just wish it stuck closer to the books

[@wafflingmean4477]

To be honest this felt like they were deliberately insulting their critics and trying to hide it behind Jaskir being funny. They're essentially saying "You're too stupid to come up with your own material so how dare you criticise ours? Now shut up." I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think I am.

[@tunderdiamant8651]

Honnestly to pme it's more like they're kinda mocking the people that werent able to understand timelines lmao ... This was a really good idea and they actually tried something different than other netflix shows but of course dumb people that weren't able to deal with it blamed it on a "bad idea" instead of themselves just not being smart xD

[@williamkensington2772]

People who didn't read the books didn't understand the timeliness and that 2 points in time were being explored at the same time in the same episode. Netflix brought in a fresh faced audience and they probably should've known it would be confusing to.people with no prior knowledge

[@tunderdiamant8651]

@@williamkensington2772 you definitelt didnt need to have read thé Books to understand thé timelines lmao WTF... You literally juste needed to pay attention to thé characters and thé show ... I didnt read thé Books...

[@williamkensington2772]

@@tunderdiamant8651good on you, but a lot of new people didn't get it and a lot of seasoned Witcher fans hated it whi h is saying something considering how universally loved the games and books are among people who been there since the beginning and people who started on Witcher 3 with no prior knowledge of the franchise and then branched into the other games and the books like I did. I like the show for what it is but it has a ton of flaws

[@Rxxx0]

i am jaskier most of the times that someone talks s*!t about a movie or tv show

[@babbonatale276]

honestly, I really liked the complexity of the first season. Season 2 is not as good, some episodes look like a bad copy of Got and Xena.

[@paulyotzuar2788]

So how was he meant to get the elves on the boat and get caught the whole boat ride. This scene and most of the season is stupid

[@adrianoss.bougas3720]

Jokes on them, Season 1 was ten times better. Memorable soundtracks, better dialogue and better character development.

[@janbo8331]

Agreed 100%. Season 2 felt a lot more like it was targeting a wider audience instead of just fans of the genre. Everything was dumbed down and "easy to follow". I hope it was really just a bridging season for further storylines. If not, it's going to go downhill fast and steep.

[@adrianoss.bougas3720]

@@janbo8331 Sigh. They already had a wide audience, the show was popular, it was Netflix Witcher. Being more greedy with the target group will just end up biting them in the ass....

[@janbo8331]

@@adrianoss.bougas3720 Indeed. Netflix could have their "Game of Thrones" in The Witcher, but they might blow it faster than GoT ever did.

[@HappyH4x0r]

i love how true they stay to the books - yennefer and cahir never really even met each other in the books

[@XYZasw]

So... Netflix just said to us "F yourself" and if we want better Witcher then we should make it by ourselves? The most childish response to critique ever? Am I right?

[@fishoto3677]

Nah, that's your take one it, they were mocking themselves.

[@LiftYagami]

@@fishoto3677 they weren’t mocking themselves bro. Look at the show writer’s Twitter and what she’s said in interviews and it’s exactly the same but put into a scene. Why else would they get a fat peasant to get flamed after he criticized the issues of the show

[@alexman378]

Yeah, too bad that I want to make a little film with Zach McGowan and Eva Green but I don’t have the rights to the Witcher IP. This is a very silly response, since it’s a “right place, right time” kind of thing rather than something anyone could do at any point if they wanted to (like writing a song, which only requires technical knowledge and creativity).

[@lawrencenelson1066]

In Witcher season 3 they're gonna need an episode long comedy special for the atrocities of season 2

[@Shaderox]

While using different timelines to tell a story is not inherently bad, the execution of it in season 1 was. I don't know if they wanted it to be hinted at and then be some big revelation towards the end that they jumped around in time, because if that was NOT the intention then it was even more horribly executed. Just putting "6months ago" and "2 years later" fonts on the screen when jumping is a inelegant, but better solution to at least let the viewers have some idea of when and where things are going on if one wants to do that kind of storytelling but don't have the skills to do it.

[@OneWingedRose]

Hah, I didn't think of it as a parallel to real life writer-"fan" relations. Lol, I feel bad for the writers now.

[@gallowglass3764]

I tolerated Jaskier until this scene. I mean, he is trying to smuggle a bunch of REFUGEES onto a ship, right? The MAIN REASON for him being at the docks. That dock worker ends up criticizing his songs and Jask (forgetting that the man he's about to blow up on is the man that could jeopardize his attempt to SAVE THE REFUGEES) goes into this tirade, INSULTING the foreman and whining about man's criticism.

[@ProvokedCoffee]

Clapping back on criticism by making an even worse season

[@rudolphschmidt313]

Too bad this season was infinitely worst than season 1 and a huge pile of steaming disappointment

[@ricardoalonso8376]

Title is wrong, should say: The Witcher Netflix's adaptation show writer vents against fans who did not appreciate her crappy artistic sense.

[@Cupapet93]

they spit on the fans, yeah that's how you make an adaptation

[@TheOldBlackShuckyDog]

Despite the issues with the timelines season 1 was superior to season 2

[@darthnowlan]

Season 2 is better.

[@TheOldBlackShuckyDog]

@@darthnowlan That's an absolute joke. Season 2 was garbage from episode 2 onwards

[@darthnowlan]

@@TheOldBlackShuckyDog No. Season 2 is better.

[@TheOldBlackShuckyDog]

@@darthnowlan I'm not going to argue with someone who has clearly never read the books, because if you had you'd realise what a ridiculous statement that is.

[@gazza7693]

the timelines are the probs the least worse thing about this terrible show

[@blackfrieza1912]

Gazzza, if the show is terrible then why are you watching it then 🤡

[@-brumax-6618]

This series is amazing, I don't know how bad you think it is

[@bamba5080]

@@-brumax-6618 yen's writing is kinda terrible and the witch in the woods plot was boring ep1 was the best of the series

[@popkhorne5372]

@@blackfrieza1912 because we still had a little bit of hope for a decent adaptation of a story we like. And instead we get an average fantasy show with mostly just character names in common with the original. Making an original story is not nescessarly bad, but it is when the story is way worse than the original.

[@rams3955]

@@popkhorne5372 I often wonder if book readers realize that we really don't care about your opinion lol