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[@justinsmeer9539]

Personally I thought Sokka’s whole character arc was the idea of a kid trying to act like what he thinks it means to being a man to actually becoming a man. It kinda like all his character development put together. Respecting women, overcoming his own shortcomings, looking after others, and just overall trying to be a better person than you were before.

[@steph4753]

It was also about overcoming a sexist environment, (even tho it wasn't the case in the southern tribe) women being banned from combative water bending in the Northern Tribe speaks volumes about the waterbenders culture.

[@NickDe3]

Yes. And being sexist because he thought that’s what it means to be a man was part of that development.

[@HierophanticRose]

@@steph4753 yea... Suki schooling his ass won't hit the same.

[@CJMGalaxy]

And Toph was far from the only disabled character in ATLA! The inventor who took over the air temple replicated airbending via gliders to give his disabled son mobility.

[@smallfryskilledge1550]

Sokka also was mentally disabled

[@yomamma.ismydaddy216]

And don’t forget about all the characters that are cis-abled

[@CJMGalaxy]

@@yomamma.ismydaddy216 why are yall like this

[@yomamma.ismydaddy216]

@@CJMGalaxy lol what’s that supposed to mean

[@CJMGalaxy]

@@yomamma.ismydaddy216 no one was talking about trans people. Completely different conversation. And yet you managed to find a way to bring it up, even if it wasn't funny and made no sense. Why do people like you make everything about gender? Do you even think about it, or is it a compulsion at this point?

[@Spragle]

“Lord Ozai comes in and kind of ruins the vibes” is my favorite way of putting that

[@gg_sam7847]

27:10 okay but like, at the end of the season it's important that Sokka has had development with sexism as the group spends a lot of time in a deeply sexist environment. It's like the "final boss" of overcoming his bias as he sees what's wrong with that sort of system and how bad it can be (the girl he likes is in an arranged marriage)

[@Casutama]

Imo, Sokka's arc is much more about arrogance vs humbleness, the sexism is just part of it. Considering that nobody in the Southern Water Tribe shows any sexism at all except for Sokka (quite the contrary, Gran Gran canonically leaves to the South to _escape_ the sexist culture), I think it actually makes sense to remove it and just keep the sexism in the Northern Water Tribe. Sokka can still learn to become more humble and less self-important, and they can still portray how bad sexism is with the NWT and also use it as a further subtle juxtaposition of the cultures in the Northern and Southern tribes. The show itself drops Sokka's sexim _really_ soon and I don't agree that the NWT scenes are the "final boss" because we never see Sokka reflect on this culture of sexism and how it relates to his own past behaviour. After the first couple of episodes of Book 1, that side of Sokka is _never_ addressed again, or comes up in any way, and neither in terms of Katara's conflict with Pakku, his own romance with Yue, or learning of his grandmother's history does the show ever even imply Sokka relates this back to his past behaviour. He is staunchly on the "right" side in those scenes, and at that point it's been like 10 episodes since he's said anything even vaguely sexist. So I don't actually think it's as large a part of his character as people right now make it out to be. Let's just see where the show is going with all the arcs, it might be terrible, it might be amazing; it's just too early to tell.

[@gg_sam7847]

@@Casutama all I said was it had some plot relevance outside the first like 4 episodes where it's a problem. I'm not reading all that

[@Casutama]

@@gg_sam7847 It's 280 words, but in the spirit of addressing only that thing in particular: Neither in terms of Katara's conflict with Pakku, his own romance with Yue, or learning of his grandmother's history does the show ever even imply Sokka relates this back to his past behaviour. He is staunchly on the "right" side in those scenes, and at that point it's been like 10 episodes since he's said anything even vaguely sexist. So I don't actually think it's as large a part of his character as people right now make it out to be.

[@driftedsun]

@@Casutama Yup, Sokka’s sexism was very childish and on-the-nose, and also took the form of very occasional quips. Them toning it down ”because it wouldn’t work as well in live action” (yes, the showrunners thus implied it worked in the cartoon, it didn’t just ‘go over their heads’ that ATLA portrayed sexism as bad lmao) still leaves room for him to be prejudiced when it comes to Suki; but even if not, it really isn’t that much of a core character arc for him. His sexism was completely dropped in episode 4, and his sexist past didn’t come into play at all in the Northern Water Tribe arc. I actually don’t even think ATLA tackled sexism that well in the NWT arc, since Pakku seemingly changed overnight without a real trigger. He remained sexist through his fight with Katara, then afterwards came the revelation that Katara’s grandmother fled to the south to escape the arranged marriage. Cut to the next day and Katara shows up to training, and he’s just like “you’re late.”

[@specificityarchives9920]

Can the recent Avatar: The Last Airbender news finally be seen as a clear sign that fans should stop clamouring for live-action TV adaptations of their favorite animated shows? It's a completely pointles endeavour.

[@Syncratci]

It also subtly puts animation hierarchically below live-action in value. It's always disappointing to me how much fans of mediums like animation or comics push for an adaptation. As if their only value is as IP mills.

[@zed739]

Never really understood why people even desire for a story to be adapted like this to begin with. Same thing goes for video games. What was the cartoon missing that a real human covered in CGI brings to the table?

[@metalface_villain]

i don't think there is an active push from fans for these shows to be adapted. i feel like it's just goofy ass corps trynna make some easy money from the fans that will check the movie cuz why not, if it's good they can enjoy it and if it's bad they can get outraged about it and the newcomers that will come cuz they might have heard that the comic/manga/anime version was good.

[@TwiliSleepy]

Isn’t that like the opposite of what people want? Where have you seen fandoms clamoring for live action remakes from netflix lol, most people hate that idea.

[@ghostbravo7127]

One Piece was actually quite enjoyable in live action.

[@Ugo-free]

The vision Aang gets is probably of Zhao killing the moon spirit because they already said they took out sozins comet as a timeline factor to account for the actors growing up over the time it takes to film. So when he contacts Roku… that’s what he’ll see instead on the fire sages island. Also you see Aang going there on his glider by himself instead of on appa with katara and sokka

[@lucygirl1111]

not meeting Momo either

[@Ugo-free]

@@lucygirl1111 Momo is in the trailer a couple times so no worries there. I wonder if we’ll get to see Koh the face stealer though. If he gets the vision of the spirits in trouble from Roku is there a point for Koh.

[@romanryliee2001]

The creators didn’t make the show great. Some of the best character arcs and episodes were work of the writers. The creators were in charge of Korra which was mid at best AND they gave their stamp of approval to the M. Night movie. Don’t kno why them leaving is such a red flag. If anything it makes me more excited.

[@catherinedean8850]

THANK YOU FOR SAYING IT! I feel like I have been alone in this knowledge.

[@thecomicboss7039]

Weak ass energy. LoK is amazing. They are literally destroying all the layered characterization with this adaptation.

[@joecota2644]

This is weird take

[@romanryliee2001]

@@thecomicboss7039 Deep breath. Idk LoK reconned sm stuff. little to no characters were very likable besides Bolin and Tenzin. W/ Avatar you could pick any 2 members of the gAang and talk in depth about their relationship to one another; that wasn’t present in LoK. It was also super anti leftist and hella lib. Also, it’s not just my take, but the take of almost their ENTIRE viewership. Almost all people stopped watching entirely when they dropped that awful second season which felt like it was written by a 9 year old that was told to bring their LoK head cannon to the screen. The creators of Avatar originally weren’t even gonna include Zuko’s arc, arguably the best arc in the show if not the entirety of television. I’m not NOT worried about the live action, but I’m gonna wait till it’s out to lose my mind; good or bad.

[@Ptr_Jms]

My fav writer was the head writers wife

[@yomamma.ismydaddy216]

When they say “didn’t quite translate from animation to live action” what they really mean is “we didn’t have the skill or talent to translate” into live action lol. It’s like using a someone who doesn’t speak Japanese using a English-Japanese dictionary to try to translate an anime😂😂 ughhh lol

[@bb.yani1]

nooooo there are genuinely things that can't be translated to live action because of suspension of disbelief is broken. it's not a hard concept to understand. People just wanna hate for hating sake because you can't let go of the 2010 version so you think all live action is bad especially when this live action took 4 years to create. It wasn't rushed and the showrunners and ppl behind the show are all fans of the show and want to see justice. It's fans like you that wanna gatekeep shows because you have a hard time letting go. I find it funny how the show hasn't even come out yet and idiots like you and Hasan have the time to hate.. Remember when yall hated on Henry Cavill for playing the witcher? and now yall love him. He beat expectations and if yall would just shut the fuk up and wait to judge.

[@Haydyne]

Sokka being sexist is 1) not being removed and 2) not actually that integral to Sokka’s character development. First of all, it was never stated that Sokka’s sexism is being completely cut. They said it is being toned down and approached in a different way. And that makes sense. They can portray the same message without the whole “my sister sews my clothes” stuff. This show is aimed at a more mature audience and they don’t have to feed us themes with blatantly stated misogyny, which is usually not how it works in the real world either. These issues are deep-rooted, masked with insecurity, and more shadowed than what the original ATLA series showed. Additionally, it does not make up that much of Sokka’s character growth. It was maybe a 4-5 episode bit that ended as abruptly as it started. It ended with him respecting and falling in love with Suki. This can be done in other ways or even the same way without the misogyny and be fine. In my opinion, Sokka’s growth has more to due with finding his place in the world as a nonbender surrounded by powerful people. He’s snarky, he’s insecure, and the troubles he overcomes, including his sexism, all stem from that insecurity.

[@kylejackson7913]

Finally somebody said it

[@TisDansk]

Not reading allat

[@Roderykz]

I hope you are right, but if you are then they are doing a bad way on expressing it :/

[@Casutama]

@@Roderykz Even if it _is_ cut completely, I agree it's not really that integral to Sokka's arc. Imo, Sokka's arc is much more about arrogance (stemming from insecurity) vs humbleness (and true self-confidence), the sexism is just part of the insecurity & arrogance. Considering that nobody in the Southern Water Tribe shows any sexism at all except for Sokka (quite the contrary, Gran Gran canonically leaves to the South to escape the sexist culture), I think it actually makes sense to remove it and just keep the sexism in the Northern Water Tribe. Sokka can still learn to become more humble and less self-important, and they can still portray how bad sexism is with the NWT and also use it as a further subtle juxtaposition of the cultures in the Northern and Southern tribes. The show itself drops Sokka's sexim really soon and I after the first couple of episodes of Book 1, that side of Sokka is never addressed again, or comes up in any way. So I don't actually think it's as large a part of his character as people right now make it out to be. Also, that specific flavour of sexism wouldn't work for this show anyway; both because in terms of the blatant tone it feels very "aimed at children" (and this show is targeting a slightly older audience) and also because it feels very 2000s since the conversation around sexism has shifted quite a bit in the past twenty years; to make it not feel incredibly dated, badly-written, or cringy, they'd have to slightly change how they portray the sexism anyway. (Not saying the original show is badly written at all, it holds up incredibly well, but it's still a product of its time) Let's just see where the show is going with all the arcs, it might be terrible, it might be amazing; it's just too early to tell.

[@jefrey488]

You truly do not understand the character of Sokka, on how his insecurity reflects his past(He was left alone assuming the role of protecting every woman in the tribe that he see as fragile and 'he thought he is above them in hierarchy for being their protector')and finding out that women are not just home tools to protect.

[@Gottzchalk]

My fear is visually it will blow the world the away. This will lead to studios believing story will be less important than images. Future of characters development is looking sad.

[@Avybavywavy]

Sorta what happened.

[@HAppytobeHer]

I think about uncle iroh almost daily or weekly still into my late 20’s

[@Kitth3n]

Will also thought Saltburn was incredible so his opinion is null 😅

[@usermnm1104]

No way 💀

[@Dell-ol6hb]

sometimes he will just randomly has some of the worst opinions I've ever heard about media, proves being a cinephile doesn't necessarily mean you have good taste

[@anti1training]

​@@Dell-ol6hb Taste is subjective

[@confusedpozole406]

He also called Andor mid…like I’m sorry but after hearing all this, I will just actively avoid anything he recommends xd

[@torrinbianchi5283]

Will saying avatar is mid when his favorite anime is cowboy bebop. Pure comedy man😂😂

[@joemomma6317]

I prefer ATLA but cowboy bepop is amazing bro

[@timmlyy]

I could not get past episode 2 of cowboy bebop, it’s so dated.

[@latinafortruth430]

Same! Its just boring to me.​@timmlyy

[@nolord2563]

Avatar is a children’s show. That statement is self explanatory

[@joemomma6317]

@@nolord2563 avatar is a masterpiece lil bro stop sleepin

[@russell1626]

Personally I am still choosing to be optimistic about the adaptation because lets face it, nothing can really be worse than the movie was. I've been following the project pretty closely since it was announced and it is clear that they have taken steps to remain as faithful to the original as they can. Pretty much everyone who worked on it is a huge fan of the original and they have paid attention to the details such as most of the main cast being champion martial artists etc. also the fact that the original first season is 20 episodes and this one is only 8, its inevitable that they are going to have to cut some things out unfortunately. Even though they may be excluding things from sokka's character arc i know they also adding new things that we never got to see before such as a closer look into the airbender genocide. Obviously we wont know until it actually comes out but im trying to be hopeful because i love this series so much and i would love to see it succeed.

[@russell1626]

Will it even come close to the quality of the original? most definitely not but it doesn't necessarily mean that it will be complete dogshit

[@sirhatman5062]

@@russell1626nah it’s gonna be complete dogshit, they are taking out core parts of the original show

[@sirhatman5062]

Yet the og show creators are leaving cause they are taking the show from a different direction of the original and changing it for the worse

[@ttangg55]

One thing they can remove from Sokka’s character is the weird skepticism he had of water bending. Calling it ‘water magic stuff’. There were a few other times in the first book where he acted like it was crazy to believe in very basic, core realities of the ATLA world… such as past lives. It felt off to me. Edit: typo

[@cruser1381]

That makes sense, since Sokka grew up in the SWT where they had to all hide their water bending cuz the fire nation would otherwise kill them. The only bending he knew of was fire, when FN attacked his home and killed his mother. Sokka had never seen water bending. Also, during a war with uncertainty and conflict all over the place, you can’t travel much. If it was peace time then Sokka could have traveled around and seen other bending and stuff.

[@artemis7093]

I knew from the trailer that it wasn't going to be good. It has that fake Netflix patina, you know what I mean... Its going to be pretty mediocre, I reckon

[@amyjesensek5929]

I wish we were not getting an adaption of the original show, but rather the next part of the story where the avatar and gang including Zuko create an age of peace and found Republic city, oh and also just animate it please 😁💜

[@Avybavywavy]

Based

[@TwiliSleepy]

yeah there’s some red flags with the show for sure. Shame because I was pretty optimistic for sure. It’s fine though because the og masterpiece will always be around, plus the books that have been coming out I’ve heard were incredible, and multiple avatar animated movies are in the works which I am super excited for.

[@YouYubeEnjoyerNum1]

it was never meant to be the same as an adaptation. The only real red flag for me is the Katara thing. If they remove that entirely that'd be a big blow to the whole series story. We'll see

[@Dell-ol6hb]

How tf does wilneff not like this show??

[@yournobody6487]

I'm sure this has been said already but since people lack simple reading and critical thinking they arent removing sokka being sexist they are toning it down so its no so childishly in your face. And lets be real it was maybe 15 lines over 4 episodes that immediately gets checked by suki so can we stop pretending this was an on going battle for the whole series. Being sexist was just a minor part of his overall arc of being insecure at his core since he was effectively forced to be a man at his young age. The sexism arc is not responsible for the remaining 40 some odd episodes of his developement.

[@evolutia1]

Even you showcase how minor it is, and yet they're removing it. This is wild. This was a show on Nick, it wasn't like Sokka was Andrew Tate. I'm sick of netflix and people making excuses for this stuff.

[@yournobody6487]

@@evolutia1 Boy oh boy and here we go back to not reading…they didnt remove it…they toned it down because they have 8 episodes vs 22. You cant fit everything in and damn sure makes zero sense to focus on some thing that didnt even span a quarter of the first season. Address it handle it move on to the bigger picture. Sokka being sexist was a small part of his over arching insecurities because he was thrust into being a man at a young age.

[@evolutia1]

@@yournobody6487 Boy oh boy and here we go back to not reading. One they took away Sokka's character development, and they even took away Katara's character development, and they even took away Aang's character development. I don't think it can be ignored that even the creators stepped away from this project; which I doubt they would have if they could have actually put forth their own vision the show most likely would have been better for it. Each and every time the current directors of Avatar say something about the series it's overtly negative and harms their own product.

[@yournobody6487]

@@evolutia1 😂 bro where you getting this fake news at god you really need to stay off these click bait videos that have zero idea what the are talking about. The actual article and video are out there. Not once is anything stated to be completely removed you cant be this dense. And yikes your one of those “creators left instabad” people huh…guess we forgetting how everyone dumped on korra which they were also responsible for so clearly they arent the be all end all. That being said just like this show korra got dumped on by dense idiots it had a slow start but it did things well that the original failed in so they both have their pros and cons. If you did any actual research besides listening to these cringy click bait videos youd know that not even a month after leaving netflix the creators had their own studio…i shouldnt have to say this but you dont get your own studio in a month. They were already in talks and nick gave them full creative control and profits, pretty obvious choice to make over splitting everything with netflix. Also the “creative differences” cited for them leaving were actually them trying to change more than netflix wanted to change. All this is out there to actually read yourself instead of listening to doomer videos like this.

[@EQB]

U took the words out my mouth exactly 😂 its really not that big a deal

[@briantown6716]

I wish they would stop taking stories with source material and then trying to rewrite the entire source material instead of adapting it...if you want to change this much then just make your own IP. All the top brass like "New IP is too dangerous, but taking something people love and fucking it is way less dangerous!"

[@Haydyne]

The original creators leaving is NOT a bad sign. Reasons are not completely known, BUT it was stated they left on good terms so I’m not sure where that notion came from. Assuming they did leave due to creative disagreement, it is very possible that they actually wanted to change more than Netflix. The Avatar creators are well-known for never wanting to do the same thing twice. Look at Korra. The show is completely different, tackles themes in a new light, and creates a new expanding story while also purposefully undermining what we saw in the past. In my opinion them leaving will be unaffecting or potentially good since they’re likely focusing on future Avatar Studios projects.

[@veganandatheist]

25:36 it's so bad 😂.

[@HumanOperatedBotAccount]

There has never been a cartoon to live action remake that improved on the source material

[@ram-ew1hu]

If this show is shit, I pray that the animation movie tops it.

[@ajdez8871]

I'm calling it right now. They're gonna retcon Toph (the youngest child) to be gay and make Azula an undercover good guy who fights the patriarchy 😑

[@luckyowl6432]

Lmao grow up 😂

[@ajdez8871]

@@luckyowl6432 taking bets now 😂

[@Indian_Ravioli]

I thought it was a very realistic adaptation......can't we wait for the show to release before we trash it. 😂people are getting triggered by every little detail of the show. I hope it will be decent in its adaptation.

[@lounielouna7556]

"every little detail" is being wiped away. that's what people are mad over

[@JesusHammer]

@@lounielouna7556 no it isn't please stop acting like average comic book fans from 15 years ago

[@verrico7536]

@@JesusHammer it isnt even out and mans are making statements like every detail is wiped away... lmao

[@code8825]

It’s just a shame that it seems like they’re moving away from what people really loved about the show, and the people running it seem to not have a good understanding of the source material. The One Piece show was made by fans of the original, who understood the appeal, what people like about it, etc. the Avatar team saying things like they “need to make it more mature and not just for kids” and to game-of-thronesify it is showing a misunderstanding of the original- the original HAD mature elements, and it seems like by “more mature” they mean things like Aang is going to stop trying silly side quests, and be more down-to-business and “serious”, which.. you know. Is taking away a major part of his character. It’s just stuff like this that makes it seem like it’s being run by a board of directors who are looking to make money, not people who understand the original well.

[@artgenix8052]

from what i could tell, the parts they’re taking away are integral parts of the characters. i understand making sokka’s sexism more nuanced, but either way it is incredibly important to his arc. and what does it mean for our society that the concept of sexism cannot be portrayed, even in a negative light, for the sake of mass appeal?

[@chrischika7026]

Oh wow maybe thats why the og creators left the show

[@gaius5901]

The creators left bc they got a bigger paycut by Nickelodeon with Avatar Studios let's all be real

[@monsonwight8555]

Wait the thing hasn’t even been released and people already starting to hate it ? Then don’t watch it, simple as that, how can you watch a show you don’t even like cause of stupid reasons, like aang doesn’t sound like him, obviously not, it’s not like the actual voice actor is playing aang 😂

[@motelmicrowave]

I've never seen this but I saw some of legend of korra

[@tayo_95]

Is Zuko going to be a bad guy or is he going to be more like a Tsundere YA boyfriend from the beginning?

[@yeastori]

If the show included Sokka's sexism the right would be all over this shit calling it woke

[@metalface_villain]

so what? who is living their lives on whether some dumb right wingers will say some dumb shit? they will say that everything is woke anyways and those people are so few and have 0 power. remember how hard they went for the first captain marvel? well that movie made a billion+ and it wasn't even a good movie which proves that those bozos have no power. i think ironically this change with sokka was due to corporate "wokeness", so they don't alienate anyone, to have as many people watch the show as possible so they can make as much money as possible.

[@Millyonneknives]

As long as it is not an original unknown story it won't be good or surprising. They could have picked up a different avatar from a different era like from the future or pass. someone we do not know about, a brand new story. For example Avatar Roku, make a live movie about him

[@Avybavywavy]

Based take

[@Eldeecue]

You should check your thermostat if your head feels cold, man. Or you might be coming down with something. Tim Pool's thermostat doesn't work either, and he refuses to fix it. You don't have to be cold all the time, I promise!

[@Avybavywavy]

Pee

[@Eldeecue]

@@Avybavywavy Yes.

[@artcooldude6711]

carra series 😭

[@josephhitumbulwa]

Bro was literally sexist for like 2 seconds in the show plus they just toned it down, that wasn't even an integral part of his character, his was more about a village boy becoming a man and a leader. I'd wait until watching the 8th episode of the show instead of judging the show off of trailers and articles lol

[@nunyabusiness3516]

LET THE DAMN SHOW AIR BEFORE YOU TRY TO RUIN IT!!! THE INTERNET SUCKS!!

[@Avybavywavy]

Shut up.

[@bluekinopio9390]

Yall are such drama queens. The trailer looks great. I hope they change a lot and mix it up. If you don’t like that then just watch the cartoon and go live your life lol

[@daniellap.stewart6839]

Is gonna suck end of history and stop liking your own comment

[@alexwilliamson338]

Common Hasan L. It looks good with the potential to be great from all the promo we've seen

[@derpy501st2]

Imagine complaining so bad to not go back and watch the original instead yall just gotta hate

[@daniellap.stewart6839]

Why having this on the first place? Nobory was asking

[@derpy501st2]

@@daniellap.stewart6839 why cry about it like 5 year old and watch the original

[@derpy501st2]

@@daniellap.stewart6839 cry about it watch the original

[@TheRealCSD6]

Avatar was not a woke cartoon. I'm gonna have to disagree with you there.

[@tombahma]

I'm just gonna watch it and enjoy it. this isn't a a fucking college class that you need to analyze everything and it also doesn't have to completely match the cartoon. just watch and enjoy. You all have nothing better to do than cry about a series that hasn't even come out yet.

[@Lunalulylu]

THANK YOU! Someone with a brain finally!

[@paulcallahan7727]

Start reading one piece!

[@LilRedRasta]

you people should stop pretending that you're fans of the original show. Sokka was sexist for literally 4 episodes of season 1. After that, it disappears. So no it's not a huge character arc or super important to his character. His insecurity as a non-bender and wanting to prove himself as a warrior is the bigger arc. Also, a common critque of season 1 is that sokka was kind of an asshole for those first few episodes. I love the show and agree. It got annoying quickly. It's like, we get it you're sexist you don't have to be so over the top about it. In order for kids to grasp what sexism is, perhaps the og writers purposefully did this. But as adults, we don't need all those comments to get that sokka is sexist. The show writers said they're TONING DOWN his sexism not completely getting rid of it. People just see two lines and assume the worst without ACTUALLY READING WHAT ALBERT KIM SAID. I've watched nearly every reactor on youtube react to this show and a common theme that comes up is that people dislike sokka for the first few episodes. Not because he was sexist but because he was annoying over the top asshole half the time.

[@yuxian20]

Live action adaptations are so stupid to begin with. When you jump into live action you have such a higher level of suspension of disbelief to clear. Even the ones that are actually watchable look goofy as hell. Like in Netflix's One Piece, every time Luffy did anything gummy it looked fucking dumb.

[@JoshBou]

Looks great, sounds awful.

[@sicklecuthammerfall]

I’ll prob watch for the fights but my god the story is going to suffer

[@EchanteDante]

I think it looks like it could be great still 🤷‍♂️ I think just don’t care that much if Sokka thinks girls shouldn’t be good at anything. Like I understand he has a growing moment but that’s like a d-f storyline compared to the rest of the series. Plus I think Sokka has a lot more lessons to learn than just that girls can do things and kick a$$ too. Everyone should just wait to see if it is any good. ALSO THE CREATORS LEAVING THE SHOW COULD MEAN VARIOUS DIFFERENT THINGS. My guess Netflix did not want to make a shot for shot recreation and wanted to shorten and tighten up the story and they weren’t cool with cutting something. Or they were not good with budgeting stuff and were sick of Netflix having to micromanage. Nobody actually knows the reasons as far as I’m aware. If you are that upset about no misogyny just don’t watch it 🤷‍♂️. But to me this all just feels like people searching for a reason to hate it and this seems like a pretty decent excuse to start the hate campaign for and create views and content about the show being terrible hyping up the hate brigade. If the show sucks then dang that sucks because the trailers had me excited. But to me not having misogyny is a complete none issue.

[@Dachande86]

Whoever this Will is sounds mid

[@Randomstuffsig]

Keep using avatar for views, I see you

[@latinafortruth430]

Wow first time I agree with this guy.

[@robhappe853]

In light of recent news on this im calling it right now. A bunch of the writers on this pry arent even fans and are just going to hikack this ip to make their own story that just takes place in the bender world. So dumb, this was a low effort slam dunk. Could have just made a shot for shot remake and expand on it a bit. Bring in the original writers and let them just add to dialogue. Draw out the fight scenes a bit more and boom you made a 15 min beloved cartoon into a 40min show. Keep all the character arcs and all the silliness dont make it a dark drama world war story. Just give the fans control and give them what they want. This will be ok but it could have been amazing. Fucking netflix and their endless army of idealistic writers that love to destroy things people love to shove their ideas into the world. Also the production on this looks sterile and way too expensive. These kids look like they just bought new clothes and had a spa day in every shot. Theyre literally supposed to be camping in the wilderness every night for months on end. And the sokka toxic masculinity arc is basically the deffinition of teaching kids to treat women as equals. Removing it does the opposite of their reasoning behind removing it. How tf do these people have jobs when they keep fucking up these shows like this?

[@withlove312]

I like ATLA but interacting with the fanbase made me re-evaluate whether it was a masterpiece. I mean, it _is_ toned down anime, right down to the storylines.

[@veganandatheist]

What do you mean by toned down?

[@withlove312]

@@veganandatheist e.g. Zuko he gets cited as a "redemption arc done right" but he didn't do anything too wrong or else everyone would've been against it. And like I said this kind of storyline (chakras, element based martial systems) are pretty common to anime.

[@ghostbravo7127]

@@withlove312 Avatar is not about elements or chakras. It was a medium to shape the values, morals and understanding of a generation of young minds. It was simple yet conveyed meaningful messages and complex issues. Shows like Avatar, Boondocks and One Piece helped me share these ideas with my daughter and helped open the space up for conversation, you'd be surprised how helpful that is as a parent. Not to mention, the inspiration from Asian and Indigenous cultures and history, whether it be Ba Sing Se (Qing Dynasty) or the Fire Nation (Imperial Japan), or the Air Nomads (Tibetan and Chinese Buddhist Monks) alongside the Gurus (Indian Buddhists) etc. Even the bending itself is representative of martial arts culture, and is simply an extension of your self. That is what Legend of Korra failed to understand, and that is what this show seems to be destined to fail to understand. Zuko broke the cycle of violence, he shed his insecurities, and he atoned for crimes as a colonizer by engaging in efforts of decolonization. In doing so he proves he is a stronger and better leader than his father ever was. He shows his people that decolonization not only empowers the oppressed but also helps them (the people of the fire nation) as well. That is a redemption arc.

[@TisDansk]

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[@withlove312]

@@ghostbravo7127 What a bizarre counter. "its not about chakras" Dude. What I'm saying is the tropes, mythology and themes they use are things anime and other Eastern storytelling has been doing for a long, _long_ time. Which you yourself then go on to cite. Zuko is a good character but hes also a toned down kid friendly version of other tropes which is why its easy to swallow. Replies are ridiculous. Take the weird fandom goggles off guys holy crap I'm not saying ATLA is bad. This is what I mean when I saw online fans make me reconsider the show in a worst light.